Sense and Sensuality ("Loving" Spinny)

Movies with non-black actresses
Memoirs of a Geisha -- Pumpkin and her mentor (Feminine) / the main character and her mentor (sensuous)

Sorry, big fan of MoaG since 1998 here. :blush:

Pumpkin was known for being a bit of a klutz and unable to hold her head correctly, and that was shown in the movie. Sayuri (main character) and her big sister (Mameha) both took an extremely feminine approach to the art. Hatsumomo (Pumpkin's big sister) is the sensual one of the group.
 
Lucie Which books did you order?

I am on the last chapter of A Woman's Worth. I loved the author's style of writing. I will read it again in a few weeks.

I ordered Simply Irresistible, it should be here tomorrow.

I am doing Debbie Ford's 21 day consciousness cleanse. It is very intensive but it made me aware of some patterns and beliefs I didn't know I had. Things are finally coming together for me.

Last, I've been testing my feminine powers on men, and let's say that it is working very well. lol, I am learning to accept help and attention from men. The more I accept, the more I get.
 
I have so many books to read lol!

I'm currently reading

1. Fascinating Womanhood (1920s version) - I read a chapter today that was very profound and eye-opening

2. Powerful and Feminine - I want to finish that this week

3. Proper Care and Feeding of Husbands (yeah I have no husband in sight and it's not technically on topic, but I'm really enjoying it)

On deck - Mama Gena's school for Womanly Arts

And I'm continuing with bellydance and yoga. My first session with the dvd was great. I went ahead and ordered 2 hip scarves to use.
 
I have to stop obsessing over the wonder of other women and start focusing on mine again. After my divorce, I started to doubt my self-worth and started looking at other women instead of myself. Reading about Ms. Violette (see link to original thread on page 1) really woke something up in me. Mainly that it's OK to take your physical beauty seriously. Of course, I'm working on other things too, like getting my MSW, relocating to a better environment, getting back in touch with my spirituality, and being a mentor to a young lady for the first time in my life. But having a beauty and workout routine really lifted my confidence and put me in a good mood. I used to do a few treatments a week and sit on LHCF and enjoy sharing beauty tips. I need to start doing that again.
 
Good thread @Enyo. :yep:

I have a lot to say about patriarchal religions and their systematic, often brutal suppression of 'the sacred feminine', but I don't think it would be well-received on this board.

I think it would be very well received in this thread. Please share.
 
Christianity is, we'll say, 'problematic' for women. It wasn't supposed to be, and I believe that Jesus, if he actually lived, did not intend it to be. Mary Magdalene, as the Gospel of Phillip tells us, was noted as his 'companion' (which is not to say, 'sexual partner'), a beloved friend. She was never once called a whore in the Bible. So why did it take 2000 years for the truth to come out? Because the other apostles were anti-women. In the apocrypha, the only texts I trust because they haven't been edited to death, an argument takes place between Peter and Mary after the Crucifixion. The disciples asked her if Jesus told her anything he may have neglected to tell them, just hungry for information. So she tells them and this is what happened.

But Andrew answered and said to the brethren, "Say what you think concerning what she said. For I do not believe that the Savior said this. For certainly these teachings are of other ideas."

Peter also opposed her in regard to these matters and asked them about the Savior. "Did he then speak secretly with a woman, in preference to us, and not openly? Are we to turn back and all listen to her? Did he prefer her to us?"
Whoa! A dude who y'all profess to love has just died and his closest friend is sharing an intimate conversation at your request, and you basically tell her to shut up and sit down? Wth. (This argument is recounted in the Gospel of Mary, the Sophia Pistis, and the Gospel of Thomas, so that's three ancient sources.)

Again, Peter is the father of the Church as we know it, the first bishop of Rome. And yet, he denied Christ three times. In fact, Jesus said, Oh ye of little faith, to him. So how did he end up taking over the 'Jesus crew'? By kicking out the person with the most claim: Mary. That's why she's been a whore for the past 2000 years. Because Peter was a hater. I bet he wasn't popping all that ish when Jesus was still alive.

I say all that to say, how could a religion started by this man be anything BUT anti-woman? Over these thousands of years, this hatred for an 'unharnessed' woman, like the Magdalene, has been codified. Look at the witch trials. A bunch of men burning women for simply being: being widowed and able to live alone, being too comfortable in her skin, just being in a way that didn't revolve around her husband or her father. And they got pleasure from it. Read some of the Malleus Mallificarum and tell me those church guys weren't getting off on it. It was like the sanctified version of snuff film.

And this is why the Christianity of Peter, the roots of a tree with many branches, leaves women out of touch with their femininity. Because the founder hated us and wanted us disempowered.
 
Christianity is, we'll say, 'problematic' for women. It wasn't supposed to be, and I believe that Jesus, if he actually lived, did not intend it to be. Mary Magdalene, as the Gospel of Phillip tells us, was noted as his 'companion' (which is not to say, 'sexual partner'), a beloved friend. She was never once called a whore in the Bible. So why did it take 2000 years for the truth to come out? Because the other apostles were anti-women. In the apocrypha, the only texts I trust because they haven't been edited to death, an argument takes place between Peter and Mary after the Crucifixion. The disciples asked her if Jesus told her anything he may have neglected to tell them, just hungry for information. So she tells them and this is what happened.

Whoa! A dude who y'all profess to love has just died and his closest friend is sharing an intimate conversation at your request, and you basically tell her to shut up and sit down? Wth. (This argument is recounted in the Gospel of Mary, the Sophia Pistis, and the Gospel of Thomas, so that's three ancient sources.)

Again, Peter is the father of the Church as we know it, the first bishop of Rome. And yet, he denied Christ three times. In fact, Jesus said, Oh ye of little faith, to him. So how did he end up taking over the 'Jesus crew'? By kicking out the person with the most claim: Mary. That's why she's been a whore for the past 2000 years. Because Peter was a hater. I bet he wasn't popping all that ish when Jesus was still alive.

I say all that to say, how could a religion started by this man be anything BUT anti-woman? Over these thousands of years, this hatred for an 'unharnessed' woman, like the Magdalene, has been codified. Look at the witch trials. A bunch of men burning women for simply being: being widowed and able to live alone, being too comfortable in her skin, just being in a way that didn't revolve around her husband or her father. And they got pleasure from it. Read some of the Malleus Mallificarum and tell me those church guys weren't getting off on it. It was like the sanctified version of snuff film.

And this is why the Christianity of Peter, the roots of a tree with many branches, leaves women out of touch with their femininity. Because the founder hated us and wanted us disempowered.

Wow that was deep. Thx for your post honeybee
 
Honey Bee


Interesting post!

In the "Power of Now",Eckhart Tolle talks about how religion really stifles femininity. Really good book!It talks about how we are taught to wait for heaven after we pass on but part of a feminine quality is being in the now. Heaven in the present moment. Religion even discourages the use of intuition. Many women had the power but men were intimidated by it so the powers were suppressed,making men rulers of the church while women followed. Keep in mind,a man wrote this book.
 
@Honey Bee


Interesting post!

In the "Power of Now",Eckhart Tolle talks about how religion really stifles femininity. Really good book!It talks about how we are taught to wait for heaven after we pass on but part of a feminine quality is being in the now. Heaven in the present moment. Religion even discourages the use of intuition. Many women had the power but men were intimidated by it so the powers were suppressed,making men rulers of the church while women followed. Keep in mind,a man wrote this book.
RegaLady, Wow, I was just reading an article that mentioned this book, something about the Age of Pisces and the transition to the Age of Aquarius. I think the writer was saying how perfect it is that a book like that came out at this particular time because it typifies something about the Age we're in, a sense of immediacy or some such.
 
I just started Powerful and Feminine. What immediately came to mind is the scene of Aaliyah in Queen of the Damned when she was in the bar dancing with the vampires and then killing them with waves of her hand. I remember being mesmerized by her energy as she walked out of there. The way she moved. Being as small as she was I never saw myself as having sensuality because I let birds convince me that I was too skinny. So watching her little self in this movie her just blew me away. I mean I saw her movement as being very sensual. I think that's when I slowly began finding my own as I began to understand that weight had NOtHING to do with it.

Anywho, that's just a small example. I understand that sensuality embodies a whole lot more than body movement. Over the next few weeks I plan on getting deep into this.
 
@intergalacticartist The first thing is to take really good care of the skin on your hands. If you get a cut, use a band-aid that has antibiotics to help it heal faster to reduce scars. Exfoliate them and keep them moisturized. If you have older hands, consider doing a light peel to brighten the skin a bit. Of course, keep your nails groomed. Strong white nails are always a plus.

Be cognizant of what your hands are doing when you are resting. Try not to ball them up, make fists needlessly, do things that are heavy handed, or any other actions that are a sign of tension or aggression. Rest them lightly and relax the wrist a bit. Place your hands gently on the parts of the body that you wish to draw attention too. I prefer men to look me in my eyes, so I often rest my chin on my hands by interlocking my fingers, turning my hands palm down, and placing my chin in the center. If I cross my arms, I do it "Morticia Addams" style. I actually had my arms crossed like that when ol' boy made a grab for my fingers.

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I just started Powerful and Feminine. What immediately came to mind is the scene of Aaliyah in Queen of the Damned when she was in the bar dancing with the vampires and then killing them with waves of her hand. I remember being mesmerized by her energy as she walked out of there. The way she moved. Being as small as she was I never saw myself as having sensuality because I let birds convince me that I was too skinny. So watching her little self in this movie her just blew me away. I mean I saw her movement as being very sensual. I think that's when I slowly began finding my own as I began to understand that weight had NOtHING to do with it.

Anywho, that's just a small example. I understand that sensuality embodies a whole lot more than body movement. Over the next few weeks I plan on getting deep into this.

YES! My group of friends encompasses very thick and hippy women and they can move. I am one of the smallest and have kinda felt like my body wasn't as "womanly" as their's. I love my shape, I just want to own what I have.
 
This is so frustrating for me. I feel like I'm working really hard and nothing is coming from it.

I try to watch how I walk, how I move, my body language and I still get discouraging comments. I was walking into an elevator today with my hood on (I just came from outside). This lady I was in the elevator with said to me "Oh, I thought you were a boy until you took your hood off"

This is similar to what I was wearing. I don't think they make the coat I have anymore. It's belted at the waist like this:
http://www.thenorthface.com/catalog.../women-39-s-greenland-jacket.html?from=subCat

I know this is wrong but I wanted to punch that old lady. For real

Why the fluck did she feel the need to tell me that anyway?


I know this is not what this thread is for, but I'm so frustrated!! I'm trying to find a warm feminine coat, but it is difficult to find a stylish one with a high percentage of wool that can fit me. I've used polyvore to shop and everything
 
This is so frustrating for me. I feel like I'm working really hard and nothing is coming from it.

I try to watch how I walk, how I move, my body language and I still get discouraging comments. I was walking into an elevator today with my hood on (I just came from outside). This lady I was in the elevator with said to me "Oh, I thought you were a boy until you took your hood off"

This is similar to what I was wearing. I don't think they make the coat I have anymore. It's belted at the waist like this:
http://www.thenorthface.com/catalog.../women-39-s-greenland-jacket.html?from=subCat

I know this is wrong but I wanted to punch that old lady. For real

Why the fluck did she feel the need to tell me that anyway?


I know this is not what this thread is for, but I'm so frustrated!! I'm trying to find a warm feminine coat, but it is difficult to find a stylish one with a high percentage of wool that can fit me. I've used polyvore to shop and everything

Hey I think part of this whole process involves acquiring inner confidence no matter what is said. A thought response like, " no lady, I am all woman and loving it" may have given your spirit life. It doesn't matter what folks say especially right now. You are still getting your stuff together. Keep working at it, getting more enlightened about it all as you go on and trying out different things. Just have fun and laugh the silliness off because YOU know what you are trying to do.
 
Lucie can you explain? I mean I love being a woman, but I am not sure how that comes across if it does at all.:ohwell:

RegaLady

If you love yourself, truly, it will come across to everyone, especially yourself. I have said this many times, being sensual is not about what you wear or how your style your hair but ALL in how you carry yourself.

I have been through a lot in the the past 14 years. I was not a nice person for a while, had a chip on my shoulder and really had some backwards thinking. Life humbled me and I am grateful for it. I learned a lot about people I call "friends" and that not all people deserve a space in my life just because they want it. I learned how to stand up for myself more and how to gracefully let things go.

As a result it made me take more pride of myself. Try new things. Know what did not make me comfortable. And care very little (though done respectfully) about the opinions of others. It made me change how I spoke, revamp my entire wardrobe into pieces I absolutely loved. It made me try my hand at learning how to apply makeup. Also, reading has saved me in ways I cannot tell you. But reading how other women do things, it gave me ideas, new tips to try until I could make my own style.

Every morning I read books to feed my mind and while I shower I listen to YouTube. There are some many videos on how to have self-confidence, how to be more feminine, how to do whatever it is you desire. I hope this helped a lil' bit. xo
 
Adonia1987, I just read this entire page and these are the books I ordered:

Mama Gena's School of Womanly Arts: Using the Power of Pleasure to Have Your Way with the World 02-22-2013 $11.20

Island Beneath the Sea 02-22-2013 $10.98

Brazilian Sexy: Secrets to Living a Gorgeous and Confident Life 02-22-2013 $18.04
 
whew finally finished reading this thread....going to start reading the previous thread mentioned earlier.........thank you ladies for all your tips!! Any feminine ways I have is due to my mother...who is very ladylike....and in a sense i also was able to get some tips from my father because I always wanted to know why women flock to him...so i would make notes of his confidence...how he dresses sharp at all times...Unfortunately having 6 brothers no sisters & being the "oldest" I also have alot of masculine influence so its hard for me to not want to be the man :blush:

This thread is very enlightening because now I want to soften out my hard edges and I received a few of the books I ordered (Secrets of Geisha, PowerofFeminity, Fascinating Woman,etc :drunk:) so I cant wait to read them and post my thoughts on here I want to be free from social inhibitions and one of the ways that I am doing that is by loving myself more and more everyday

I also can agree on what has been said about hands...I get compliments on my hands from both men and women on their softness and when i remember how I hold my hands lol ...I wear pearl bracelets and my hands are always moisturized and manicured...fyi ummm you see how some men hold their hands...ummm the ones in touch with their feminine side also hold their hands certain ways as well:look:
 
Hi Ladies,

What Belly Dancing DVD's do you recommend? I took a class a couple of days ago and enjoyed it. I realized that there are ranges of motions that I was not even aware of. I thought it was going to be easier since I think I have a little rhythm... hmmm my interpretation of belly dancing was quickly put in check.
 
MsWowFactor said:
Hi Ladies,

What Belly Dancing DVD's do you recommend? I took a class a couple of days ago and enjoyed it. I realized that there are ranges of motions that I was not even aware of. I thought it was going to be easier since I think I have a little rhythm... hmmm my interpretation of belly dancing was quickly put in check.

I just bought a ton of DVDs. I'm still trying them out buff I'll come back with my list later. To start I've been using Shimmy, a TV series. It's beautiful and fun. Also tried a bit of Jillina. I think I'll like that a lot too
 
I just bought a ton of DVDs. I'm still trying them out buff I'll come back with my list later. To start I've been using Shimmy, a TV series. It's beautiful and fun. Also tried a bit of Jillina. I think I'll like that a lot too


Thanks, I was thinking about getting this one. It has good reviews on Amazon and she seems to take her time focusing on the moves from what the reviews say. She spent 37 minutes on hip circles alone. I like that she's so detailed.

http://www.amazon.com/Belly-Dance-F...qid=1362234570&sr=8-1&keywords=belly+dance+dv
 
Met a new guy a few weeks ago. He's cute, but a little immature. Still, I kind of want to practice on him. I'm not even going to fake. He stimulates the cougar in me.
 
Thanks, I was thinking about getting this one. It has good reviews on Amazon and she seems to take her time focusing on the moves from what the reviews say. She spent 37 minutes on hip circles alone. I like that she's so detailed.

http://www.amazon.com/Belly-Dance-F...qid=1362234570&sr=8-1&keywords=belly+dance+dv


I got that one too since it is often recommended. Then I started looking around and found others (translation: got carried away)

I found this really great site that gives some reviews: http://malabhargava.com/

Here are some other dvds I ordered: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0000CEB69/ref=oh_details_o02_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0015FJYV0/ref=oh_details_o02_s01_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000FSL8WG/ref=oh_details_o02_s02_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001L9UG6W/ref=oh_details_o02_s02_i02?ie=UTF8&psc=1

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001PBK6K2/ref=oh_details_o02_s04_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001SFT764/ref=oh_details_o02_s04_i01?ie=UTF8&psc=1

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0057Z9V62/ref=oh_details_o02_s04_i03?ie=UTF8&psc=1


Also, check out World Dance New York. They have a lot of great videos. A couple of the ones I got are from there.
 
This week was a little hard for me. I didn't go to belly dancing class, or did much reading. I am going to use this weekend to refocus and keep going :)
 
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