Of course it does. It comes in blonde hair and blue eyes
I am okay w/the IR thing for the most part, and there is progress, but the numbers don't bear up equally across the board. If my brother can date Becky, why isn't Becky's brother checking for me?
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#imjustsayin
I don't know if I agree with that. I think the percentage would be higher if black women were more open to it; acted on it more like our black male counterparts do. A lot of black women aren't open to IRR. They want black love so Becky's brother may be checking for them but he gets shut out. And there's nothing wrong with wanting to end up with someone of your own race. We all have preferences; some are just less open than others. I've dated IR and get hollas from men of all diff racial backgrounds. I'm most attracted to/prefer black men but fine is fine. Please believe if a Robin Thicke tried to holla, I'd holla back too! Cuz yo, where I live there is a large (Indian) Guyanese population and shoot some of them men could get it! Lol.
Hey if we have interracial kids, they're still "black"
actually it's like 3 times
I don't know if I agree with that. I think the percentage would be higher if black women were more open to it; acted on it more like our black male counterparts do. A lot of black women aren't open to IRR. They want black love so Becky's brother may be checking for them but he gets shut out. And there's nothing wrong with wanting to end up with someone of your own race. We all have preferences; some are just less open than others. I've dated IR and get hollas from men of all diff racial backgrounds. I'm most attracted to/prefer black men but fine is fine. Please believe if a Robin Thicke tried to holla, I'd holla back too! Cuz yo, where I live there is a large (Indian) Guyanese population and shoot some of them men could get it! Lol.
Hey if we have interracial kids, they're still "black"
actually it's like 3 times
I can see truth in both posts. Black women are becoming interested in IR a bit more as the years go by so we see it more often than in years past. The issue that bothers me most is that I believe that a black woman of any status in life (a la Nicole Simpson {waitress}, Elin Woods {nanny}, or Vanessa Bryant {high school student}), should have the same access to a wealthy white man as those women had to wealthy black men. Yes, some educated black women are marrying educated white men in greater numbers, but for those who may just have a high school diploma, who may not be a size 2 or may not be a dimepiece tend not to have the option of marrying a well-to-do white man as often. Just sayin
I understand what you're saying and agree in general.
I want to offer a slightly different perspective though. One I offer often.
O.J. Simpson, Tiger Woods and Kobe Bryant are indeed wealthy. They are also athletes. I think that we in the black community make a mistake in putting athletes and entertainers in a category as "desirable" men just because they have money.
Most athletes and entertainers, despite their money, have lower class values. So it actually does not surprise me that these men would marry lower-class white or non-black women... Kobe Bryant only has a high school diploma, Tiger Woods is not a college graduate (although he attended a very good school) and I don't think O.J. is a grad either.
If you notice, the black male athletes and entertainers aren't marrying cream of the crop white women. They are marrying the white women who are at their level. Cream of the crop white women (say, Ivanka Trump, Chelsea Clinton) are marrying cream of the crop white men who have more than just money. Ivanka Trump's husband and Chelsea Clinton's fiance probably would not have married Vanessa Bryant, Nicole Simpson or Elin Woods. Most black athletes and entertainers would not get a second look by an Ivanka or Chelsea or the Bush twins, so they have to pick from the babysitters, waitresses and nannies (and get very young ones too) if they want to be with a non-black chick.
(And yes, I know the Bush twins were lushes, but they have that family name, so that puts them in the high-class category.)
Now, it is telling that these black male athletes and entertainers aren't marrying black waitresses, video chicks and nannies. To me, that's the more accurate comparison and it speaks to what BroadstreetBully said about these particular black men going out of their way to pursue non-black women.
But I don't put black men who became wealthy through sports and entertainment in an "elite" category. They just have money -- and most are broke within a few years anyway.
Money does not equal class.
True, but of course, the only reason I mentioned athletes is because they are the most recognizable. But since you mention class, as far as your educated white male making 6 figures or more, they aren't seeking sistahs (generally). More often than not, if he DOES marry black, she WILL be drool worthy gorgeous, educated, and well-traveled. But an educated black man making that kind of money would break his neck to get an plain ole regular Becky who has never left her block. But white women like the women posted in the OP think black women are too stupid to notice. If you want him and he wants you, have at it, but don't think black women don't notice you're marrying the cream of the crop, then telling black women who want a black man they're imagining things
True, but of course, the only reason I mentioned athletes is because they are the most recognizable. But since you mention class, as far as your educated white male making 6 figures or more, they aren't seeking sistahs (generally). More often than not, if he DOES marry black, she WILL be drool worthy gorgeous, educated, and well-traveled. But an educated black man making that kind of money would break his neck to get an plain ole regular Becky who has never left her block. But white women like the women posted in the OP think black women are too stupid to notice. If you want him and he wants you, have at it, but don't think black women don't notice you're marrying the cream of the crop, then telling black women who want a black man they're imagining things
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Educated white women making six figures or more aren't seeking out brothas either. Those women are very reluctant to date/marry out, and if they do, that brotha better be a millionaire with a clean record. White people on that level rarely even run in circles with black men/women.Of course it does. It comes in blonde hair and blue eyes
I am okay w/the IR thing for the most part, and there is progress, but the numbers don't bear up equally across the board. If my brother can date Becky, why isn't Becky's brother checking for me?
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THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THIS THREAD
yup, bm/ ow have the highest divorce rateEducated white women making six figures or more aren't seeking out brothas either. Those women are very reluctant to date/marry out, and if they do, that brotha better be a millionaire with a clean record. White people on that level rarely even run in circles with black men/women.
If an educated black man will push an educated sista to the side for a trailer trash white woman, well that's on him. He sees her whiteness as a novelty, and she is allowing herself to be treated that way. What happens when that novelty gets old? See BM/WW divorce rate. In fact, take a look at divorce rates of IR marriages where the female spouse is white.
Educated, drool-worthy gorgeous, and well-traveled black women seem to be the group encouraged the most to marry down or 'give a brotha a chance'. If these women can snag a man of any background who is on a level similar to their own, I see that as a good thing. I couldn't care less that carhop Becky might get a ring from successful black male attorney. I'd be happy not being a novelty and being married to a man on my level who is attracted to me for my looks, mind, and similar goals. Becky can have Latrell Spencer (from White Chicks
that's what i'm saying. There is a certain agenda being pushed here. The joke is black women/other men have the LOWEST divorce rate. Isn't it funny how we never hear that?and why isn't that stat ever on the news?
I'm OK with IR, if it's for the right reasons. If you genuinely find someone you love and care about and they happen to be Japanese, I'm happy for you. If you're intentionally seeking it out in some insecure, self-hating way 
, then sit down somewhere.
and why isn't that stat ever on the news?
sorry, my humor.
Educated white women making six figures or more aren't seeking out brothas either. Those women are very reluctant to date/marry out, and if they do, that brotha better be a millionaire with a clean record. White people on that level rarely even run in circles with black men/women.
If an educated black man will push an educated sista to the side for a trailer trash white woman, well that's on him. He sees her whiteness as a novelty, and she is allowing herself to be treated that way. What happens when that novelty gets old? See BM/WW divorce rate. In fact, take a look at divorce rates of IR marriages where the female spouse is white.
Educated, drool-worthy gorgeous, and well-traveled black women seem to be the group encouraged the most to marry down or 'give a brotha a chance'. If these women can snag a man of any background who is on a level similar to their own, I see that as a good thing. I couldn't care less that carhop Becky might get a ring from successful black male attorney. I'd be happy not being a novelty and being married to a man on my level who is attracted to me for my looks, mind, and similar goals. Becky can have Latrell Spencer (from White Chicks
I understand the bolded. I think it is unfortunate that black women are the only women who have to be concerned about this
However, the more I look around, the more I realize that there is so much more to this issue. We're outperforming black men but our self esteem is being affected by who they are choosing. There is no way that a successful black woman is on the bottom of the totem pole. To whom? It certainly doesn't work that way in a capitalist society. A successful black woman has many options. I actually find it kinda backwards. You'd think that black men would feel these emotions because they see black women moving up and having access to multitudes of successful men with 'privileges' that come with their racial background. You'd think that black men would be the ones to feel rejected. Nope. Doesn't work out that way. I see something very wrong with this picture.
They do feel insecure and rejected for not fulfilling their societal role, which is why they turn around and mistreat us. Can't face the "failure" and turn the finger on themselves, so they reject black women and run to Becky to kiss their bruised ego (supposedly). It's emasculating to look at a BW who has race and gender working against her and she still kicks your butt (not that it's a competitionI understand the bolded. I think it is unfortunate that black women are the only women who have to be concerned about this
However, the more I look around, the more I realize that there is so much more to this issue. We're outperforming black men but our self esteem is being affected by who they are choosing. There is no way that a successful black woman is on the bottom of the totem pole. To whom? It certainly doesn't work that way in a capitalist society. A successful black woman has many options. I actually find it kinda backwards. You'd think that black men would feel these emotions because they see black women moving up and having access to multitudes of successful men with 'privileges' that come with their racial background. You'd think that black men would be the ones to feel rejected. Nope. Doesn't work out that way. I see something very wrong with this picture.
). They feel small, so they go where they can feel "big". I cannot tell you how many times, I hear dudes say, they are "intimidated" or feel a girl doesn't "need" them. Once I hear that type of talk, I know they have to go somewhere to make themselves feel "big".
