'marrying Down' Costs Educated Women $25k A Year

I also came across this article but you have yet to present numbers or stats comparing black marriages to WM/BW marriages. Nothing you presented above substantiated your or @ScorpioBeauty09 claim that black marriages are less successful than marriages where a black woman marries white or non-black.

– Compared to Hispanic/Hispanic couples, Hispanic white/white couples showed a higher likelihood of divorce (not surprising). Likewise, Asian/white couples were more likely to divorce than Asian/Asian couples. However, black/white couples only show a higher rate of divorce compared to black/black couples if the white person in the relationship is a woman.

http://scienceblogs.com/gnxp/2010/03/06/interracial-divorce-the-matrix/
 
You don't have to say that. I've dated enough white men in my past to know they usually date us for reasons that have nothing to do with the vision of marrying long-term (unless that have something to gain).

There was also some NYTimes article that made mention of how highly unsuccessful interracial marriages are when compared to marrying within your race/ethnicity. Statistically, black marriages remain more stable than interracial ones.

And you haven't answered my earlier question: are you a married woman?

The bold is true IF the spouse is a black male. A white male marrying a black woman results in one of the lowest rates of divorce.

http://www.divorcesource.com/blog/interracial-marriage-and-divorce/

ETA: @barbiesocialite and I were posting at the same time :-)
 
@FemmeFatale

Your cuz is a typical example of what I've seen and talking about. His situation is less than ideal for the type of BW he is looking for, but still he has all these requirements, like he is perfect.

Even if he finds this perfect woman.... guess what? He still won't value and cherish her. He thinks he's the prize, so basically he'll be doing this perfect future BW a favor by marrying her.

After all, BM like him are hot commodities in the black UE circles and their are tons of BW looking for men like him.
 
So I know that feeling that some of the ladies are discussing because I have a very Alpha, very successful cousin who is 37 who makes women feel exactly as they stated, anxious and pressured. With him, he fits the profile of alpha male to the T, and he's 6'4, very handsome, educated, flashy, and loaded..but has 2 kids.

We talk all the time and let me tell you, he wants to settle down and find a wife, because in our culture/family pushing 38 with no wife just isn't a good look and he's on the hunt for a unicorn. He has a specific aesthetic that he's naturally drawn to (brown women with a very pretty face and a big ole booty) and in addition the woman needs to be successful star alpha that is submissive to him at the same time with a traditional Caribbean aspects to her. He wants the power black couple thing but with a very specific type of woman, if you're an introvert, shy or boring, he's not interested but he doesn't want a wild loose chick. He wants well cultured but cool. He stresses women out because he's a blunt Alpha that has always had a lot of options and they just always feel like they're on some test (which they are).

He's currently dating a woman that fits most of the criteria except the aesthetic part and I already know that as much as he's trying to be mature and make a wise choice, she's not it for him. He comes from a divorced household so I blame his delusions on that as well.

On this board alone, I think there's only one woman here that I think he'd *probably* match up well with.

Anyway, I'm forever playing his shrink/blunt mean baby cousin that tell him like it is. Every year I remind him that he's old as * and needs to get his life.
You should tell your cousin to date older woman (over 40). He doesn't sound like a "successful" catch for any one who's in their prime (under 35). He's got not only emotional baggage, but financial baggage by being only 37 with two kids (especially if the kids are under the age of 10). What young woman would want to seriously see a future (financially) with a man who has two young kids he has to take care of and pay child support for? That's money taken away from her and their relationship. I think women who are under 30 shouldn't date men with kids period, but especially men with two young children. Over 30, but under 35, I would say not to date men who has more than one child, from a financial long-term stand point.

Now they can date (playing the field, for fun) men like your cousin, but not for a serious relationship towards marriage.
 
You should tell your cousin to date older woman (over 40). He doesn't sound like a "successful" catch for any one who's in their prime (under 35). He's got not only emotional baggage, but financial baggage by being only 37 with two kids (especially if the kids are under the age of 10). What young woman would want to seriously see a future (financially) with a man who has two young kids he has to take care of and pay child support for? That's money taken away from her and their relationship. I think women who are under 30 shouldn't date men with kids period, but especially men with two young children. Over 30, but under 35, I would say not to date men who has more than one child, from a financial long-term stand point.

Now they can date (playing the field, for fun) men like your cousin, but not for a serious relationship towards marriage.

Financially he's not the average joe and everyone is set. Quiet as it's kept, his SES and looks makes a lot of women overlook the kids part.
 
However, black/white couples only show a higher rate of divorce compared to black/black couples if the white person in the relationship is a woman.

Thank you. But some in this thread stated the following:

"White marriages are more stable on average than black marriages."

"Wm/bw also last longer than bm/bw."

I don't care about the stats involving black male/white women. I don't consider those "black marriages" but interracial ones. I want the stats that substantiate the above claims.

According to your and @taz007 posts, black male/black female are no less likely to end up in divorce when compared to white male/black female. For all we know black marriages could be more successful percentage wise.

And if that is in fact the case, those two posts are dead wrong, unless there is proof to the contrary. No one has provided stats to tell me and everyone in this thread that marrying a white man lessens a black woman's chance of divorce when compared to marrying a black man.
 
The bold is true IF the spouse is a black male. A white male marrying a black woman results in one of the lowest rates of divorce.

Sure, one of the lowest when compared to white male/white female.

But is it lower when compared to black male/black female marriages like others suggested previously?
 
@FemmeFatale

Your cuz is a typical example of what I've seen and talking about. His situation is less than ideal for the type of BW he is looking for, but still he has all these requirements, like he is perfect.

Even if he finds this perfect woman.... guess what? He still won't value and cherish her. He thinks he's the prize, so basically he'll be doing this perfect future BW a favor by marrying her.

After all, BM like him are hot commodities in the black UE circles and their are tons of BW looking for men like him.

I don't think it's a "typical" example because black successful men aren't a monolith. You have to know what to look.
 
I don't feel like typing an entire long response to these recent posts, but I do want to say I think @Menina Preta @barbiesocialite and @ScorpioBeauty09 can all be right. I posted something years ago about Black UE men not getting me because I was too wild and carefree. Then I changed how I presented myself.

My SO knows I'm wild AF and doesn't mind. I can drink basically to oblivion and he's my DD. He'll have water with some Advil next to my side of the bed and bacon and eggs ready the next morning. My second time to his place I showed up in sweats. He was the one who told me to go ahead and bring my dog along for sleepovers. His place isn't dog friendly.

He and I have an ease around each other that neither of us felt with anyone else. Granted, we are both into zodiac signs, birth charts, chakras and the like so we..."read" situations (for lack of a better term) differently than most. But, basically, there are highly successful, chivalrous, caring, handsome, eligible BM out there. Approaching people while your mind isn't set to "neutral" might have you miss that.

My Black friend in grad school told me she doesn't date Black guys. When we'd go out, I would literally be disgusted because she'd give the most ugly white dudes a chance to buy her a drink and chat her up...but she'd have the screw face on when a Black guy would approach her. She turned them and herself off before giving them a chance.


I SAID I wasn't going to type much. :drunk:

Yes! I totally agree. I knew right away if I'm going to click with an IBM. And I got pretty comfortable real quick. The ones where I'm still double guessing myself and being uber self conscious about were not the ones for me and it fizzled fast bc since I was so self conscious I refused to sleep with them.

And I have a friend like this. Dating a white kang who has a child, is underemployed and took a while to even recognize her as his girlfriend. She hardly ever gives a Black dude the time of day and she has even turned down and broken things off with good, down to earth Black dudes. While she tolerates all sorts of nonsense from her white kangs.
 
Thank you. But some in this thread stated the following:

"White marriages are more stable on average than black marriages."

"Wm/bw also last longer than bm/bw."

I don't care about the stats involving black male/white women. I don't consider those "black marriages" but interracial ones. I want the stats that substantiate the above claims.

According to your and @taz007 posts, black male/black female are no less likely to end up in divorce when compared to white male/black female. For all we know black marriages could be more successful percentage wise.

And if that is in fact the case, those two posts are dead wrong, unless there is proof to the contrary. No one has provided stats to tell me and everyone in this thread that marrying a white man lessens a black woman's chance of divorce when compared to marrying a black man.


Ahhh I see.

Well I've been off and on with the conversation however, I know own why they're saying it. Theyre actually right. There was an article with a Pew study posted a while back that stated it explicitly. If I have time I'll do some digging later here or online to see if I can find it.
 
@FemmeFatale

Your cuz is a typical example of what I've seen and talking about. His situation is less than ideal for the type of BW he is looking for, but still he has all these requirements, like he is perfect.

Even if he finds this perfect woman.... guess what? He still won't value and cherish her. He thinks he's the prize, so basically he'll be doing this perfect future BW a favor by marrying her.

After all, BM like him are hot commodities in the black UE circles and their are tons of BW looking for men like him.
Girl, don't fall for the okie dokie with these "successful" men! I dated a man who was a divorcee 38 years old, with two young children (under the age of 12) who owned a house and he fronted like he had money. I was snooping one day, and found out the amount his bills were and how much he paid for child support, and with more observations, he had help (i.e. parents, ex-wife) buying his house, car, and his lifestyle, that this "seemingly" perfect man was more of liability than an asset in the long term. Not worth it! Women do better dating men with less baggage for long-term economic perseverance.
 
Yes! I totally agree. I knew right away if I'm going to click with an IBM. And I got pretty comfortable real quick. The ones where I'm still double guessing myself and being uber self conscious about were not the ones for me and it fizzled fast bc since I was so self conscious I refused to sleep with them.

And I have a friend like this. Dating a white kang who has a child, is underemployed and took a while to even recognize her as his girlfriend. She hardly ever gives a Black dude the time of day and she has even turned down and broken things off with good, down to earth Black dudes. While she tolerates all sorts of nonsense from her white kangs.


I'm going to keep it one hunned. Most of the women I know with an IBM aren't really that spoiled. They think they are but ive rarely seen it. I mean in comparison to the average black woman yeah she usually seems to have a doting man. but that's just comparison to what the average black woman around them is working with. That's usually a really a low standard to be working with as a starting point. But I think know it's why they tend to gloss overcertain things because compared to what's around them they are winning.

Also, there's also a l other ugly truth that's rarely discussed. Most aren't genuine housewives , past, present or future. If they aren't working full time as a career professional in a demanding white collar profession to rival that of their man'so job for about 80% of their lives they wouldn't even be with that guy. That said, what some women thinks is being treated good or a man's effort I personally consider the bare minimum. Sometimes I look at some women and think damn she really be pulling her weight and puttin in work. If I had to do all of that everyday a day just for that Lil bit they get from him in return I'd feel like a slave. I'm kinda lazy tho. Lol
 
I agree with some of the sentiments here but I believe black men have some of the same issues with finding a bw. I know there's a disconnect for sure and Im not sure where it comes from. Is it entitlement?
 
I'm going to keep it one hunned. Most of the women I know with an IBM aren't really that spoiled. They think they are but ive rarely seen it. I mean in comparison to the average black woman yeah she usually seems to have a doting man. but that's just comparison to what the average black woman around them is working with. That's usually a really a low standard to be working with as a starting point. But I think know it's why they tend to gloss overcertain things because compared to what's around them they are winning.

Also, there's also a l other ugly truth that's rarely discussed. Most aren't genuine housewives , past, present or future. If they aren't working full time as a career professional in a demanding white collar profession to rival that of their man'so job for about 80% of their lives they wouldn't even be with that guy. That said, what some women thinks is being treated good or a man's effort I personally consider the bare minimum. Sometimes I look at some women and think damn she really be pulling her weight and puttin in work. If I had to do all of that everyday a day just for that Lil bit they get from him in return I'd feel like a slave. I'm kinda lazy tho. Lol

I see your point. My husband doesn't "spoil" me in the way folks on here expect the man to pay all the bills and give an allowance on the side. I wasn't really looking for that. I was more so looking for someone on my level intellectually and ambition wise. Someone I meshed with and who would complement me as a woman. I didn't go in looking for a marriage to be thought of as a trophy or some sort of object he obtained. Clearly there are many gradations to this and it's not one or the other. And I definitely did not go in looking for a man who wanted a woman that revolved completely around him.
It's all about what you want and how you go about it and what you value when it comes to dating.

I just think you can find what you want in a partner in someone of any race and I don't think the attitudes described here about Black men thinking they're demigods based on them having a salary and a BA is just particular to BM. I work with a lot of others who are on dating sites and they c/o about the same thing. Egotistical men are egotistical regardless of race. Now, I would not disagree that the barometer that some BM have to be feeling themselves hard is lower than other groups, lol...but they don't know better b/c they're not exposed to better.
 
I'm going to keep it one hunned. Most of the women I know with an IBM aren't really that spoiled. They think they are but ive rarely seen it. I mean in comparison to the average black woman yeah she usually seems to have a doting man. but that's just comparison to what the average black woman around them is working with. That's usually a really a low standard to be working with as a starting point. But I think know it's why they tend to gloss overcertain things because compared to what's around them they are winning.

Also, there's also a l other ugly truth that's rarely discussed. Most aren't genuine housewives , past, present or future. If they aren't working full time as a career professional in a demanding white collar profession to rival that of their man'so job for about 80% of their lives they wouldn't even be with that guy. That said, what some women thinks is being treated good or a man's effort I personally consider the bare minimum. Sometimes I look at some women and think damn she really be pulling her weight and puttin in work. If I had to do all of that everyday a day just for that Lil bit they get from him in return I'd feel like a slave. I'm kinda lazy tho. Lol

Bare minimum examples?
 
Also, there's also a l other ugly truth that's rarely discussed. Most aren't genuine housewives , past, present or future. If they aren't working full time as a career professional in a demanding white collar profession to rival that of their man'so job for about 80% of their lives they wouldn't even be with that guy.
I've said before that I have never come across any bw married to bm who are housewives and errbody ran forth to tell me how just cuz I didn't see it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Well, the descriptions here of what IBM's (impossible black man) ambition requirements support my experience. Even in the "why are your good black male friends single" dudes are not about that SAH life for a partner.....unless they go on to choose non black but I digress.

Hell, how many of the RHOA are real housewives?
 
I've said before that I have never come across any bw married to bm who are housewives and errbody ran forth to tell me how just cuz I didn't see it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Well, the descriptions here of what IBM's (impossible black man) ambition requirements support my experience. Even in the "why are your good black male friends single" dudes are not about that SAH life for a partner.....unless they go on to choose non black but I digress.

Hell, how many of the RHOA are real housewives?

I know one genuine black housewife married to a black man. However , it's my BFF's who used to be an attorney and her dh is mixed. I don't think she will be a house wife in 10 years tho. Not her personality. I honestly think she's a housewife now because she started hanging around me :look:

Eta: oh yeah and my gram was a real housewife.
 
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Thank you. But some in this thread stated the following:

"White marriages are more stable on average than black marriages."

"Wm/bw also last longer than bm/bw."

I don't care about the stats involving black male/white women. I don't consider those "black marriages" but interracial ones. I want the stats that substantiate the above claims.

According to your and @taz007 posts, black male/black female are no less likely to end up in divorce when compared to white male/black female. For all we know black marriages could be more successful percentage wise.

And if that is in fact the case, those two posts are dead wrong, unless there is proof to the contrary. No one has provided stats to tell me and everyone in this thread that marrying a white man lessens a black woman's chance of divorce when compared to marrying a black man.
Pardon, you are correct. I did not provide citation for one of my statements..
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1741-3729.2008.00491.x/abstract



Table 4. Summary of Event-History Models Predicting the Likelihood of Divorce by the 10th Year of marriage (N¼
35,139 person-years)
Black Husband Black Wife:
.35, 1.07, 1.42

White Husband, Black Wife:
-.46, .27, .67

Column heads are: B, SE B, Eb

The full piece is worth reading. Lots of tables and more copy. The overall results for divorce say one thing, but when they control for other factors (education, age differences etc.) the difference in the likelihood of wm/bw vs. bm/bw divorcing shrinks substantially, but it is still drastic.
 
Girl, don't fall for the okie dokie with these "successful" men! I dated a man who was a divorcee 38 years old, with two young children (under the age of 12) who owned a house and he fronted like he had money. I was snooping one day, and found out the amount his bills were and how much he paid for child support, and with more observations, he had help (i.e. parents, ex-wife) buying his house, car, and his lifestyle, that this "seemingly" perfect man was more of liability than an asset in the long term. Not worth it! Women do better dating men with less baggage for long-term economic perseverance.

So funny. I met someone like this. He had two kids and I was pretty upfront about this not being for me. When he'd want to insult me, he would say how he doesn't fit into my perfect little world.

Anyways girl he fronted like he owned this building and that. When his mom died, he loved her so much he just flew home with like over $30k in cash to give her a beautiful funeral. He owned this other building and was going to build this rooftop this and live there, etc.

Anyways turned out, he caught a civil case Bc he failed to fulfill a contract. He had me look over one of his legal filings. I was doing housing work, in Brooklyn, at the time - where his stuff was. Girl in that filing, I found out he didn't fully own his own place. Another owner owned a part of his property. He had a partner in the second building. He borrowed against the second property to go bury his mom. He air bnb'ed the hell out of his brownstone and lived all the way down down down down in the black black basement. Chile....

**dont quote ladies**
 
I've said before that I have never come across any bw married to bm who are housewives and errbody ran forth to tell me how just cuz I didn't see it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Well, the descriptions here of what IBM's (impossible black man) ambition requirements support my experience. Even in the "why are your good black male friends single" dudes are not about that SAH life for a partner.....unless they go on to choose non black but I digress.

Hell, how many of the RHOA are real housewives?
If you have never met a black housewife married to a black man then that explains a whole lot regarding your experiences with black marriage and dating in general. Heck my mom has 2 sisters who never worked outside the home until their children no longer required them ( finished high school) and then they got "hobby jobs" to keep them occupied. My own mother didn't work until my parents divorced. I never had to look far for examples of the possibilities of black love so I never thought it was impossible.
 
I've said before that I have never come across any bw married to bm who are housewives and errbody ran forth to tell me how just cuz I didn't see it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Well, the descriptions here of what IBM's (impossible black man) ambition requirements support my experience. Even in the "why are your good black male friends single" dudes are not about that SAH life for a partner.....unless they go on to choose non black but I digress.

Hell, how many of the RHOA are real housewives?
Well, unlike giant talking M&Ms, they DO exist. I know some.
 
If you have never met a black housewife married to a black man then that explains a whole lot regarding your experiences with black marriage and dating in general. Heck my mom has 2 sisters who never worked outside the home until their children no longer required them ( finished high school) and then they got "hobby jobs" to keep them occupied. My own mother didn't work until my parents divorced. I never had to look far for examples of the possibilities of black love so I never thought it was impossible.

I don't think I want to be a house wife. Any man who thinks I'll be cleaning up after him and his badass children for a career will be sadly mistaken.

I want to be a trophy wife. If I can't be a trophy wife I just want a rich man who thinks I'm a trophy. I don't like working or paying bills. It's not really me. I haven't really done a lot of it so I don't think I could ever really be good at it.
 
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