rejuvenation1: Sorry to jump in, but I am confused by your post. What you said was:
NikStar introduced stats that show your statement is incorrect and that black men marry out at rates higher than white men. How do the stats you introduced in your last post refute the stats showing that black men intermarry at higher rates than white men do?
@snilloh: A coherent explanation of what your opinion is based on would do just fine. "Black men are loyal to the right type of woman" followed by "black women who are not shown loyalty by black men are not the type of woman" isn't a coherent explanation. You're welcome to your opinion though!
Totally agree!!This is where the feminist movement comes in. Those that think this way are affected by such movement, and more often than not are usually alone when they actually desire a black man. I am not saying this is right. Quite honestly it down right sucks, however I really believe this is today's reality regardless if anyone agrees with it or not.
I wonder if most men can identify a feminist versus an ABW, and I daresay they probably can't. At any rate, otherwise your theory makes sense.
This is very interesting indeed.
hellz naw .....
@snilloh the soulbrother that professes to be pro-black has always been known to get with a white girl as they always just wanted a woman to cater to them and not fight for our rights cause at the end of the day we're women and they think their struggle is so much worse than ours.....i don't think its up for comparison,imo.
the uptight brother and coon can actually be the same person and he ends up marrying out as well whining that we were never there for them in their time of need and that we were too hard on them. or they could have such an intense self-hatred they marry suzy with the hope of diluting the gene pool.
hellz naw .....
snilloh the soulbrother that professes to be pro-black has always been known to get with a white girl as they always just wanted a woman to cater to them and not fight for our rights cause at the end of the day we're women and they think their struggle is so much worse than ours.....i don't think its up for comparison,imo.
the uptight brother and coon can actually be the same person and he ends up marrying out as well whining that we were never there for them in their time of need and that we were too hard on them. or they could have such an intense self-hatred they marry suzy with the hope of diluting the gene pool.
To be honest, I'm still confused as to what constitutes the "right" Black woman; however, I can simply say that, from my experience, men can most definitely differentiate between a feminist vs. an ABW. Mos def.
To be honest, I'm still confused as to what constitutes the "right" Black woman; however, I can simply say that, from my experience, men can most definitely differentiate between a feminist vs. an ABW. Mos def.
Can someone just come out and state, explicitly, what is meant in the notion that Black men are loyal to certain Black women? @Raspberry and @snilloh, you two seem to be of one accord in this regard, and I'd like to know more specifics for the sake of satisfying my own curiosity. Do you mean Black women that adhere to gendered roles of femininity? Black women who will "stay in their lane" - whatever that looks like? Black women with certain features? Please help a sista out.
Otherwise, to answer the OP, no. Just no.
Wowzers, maybe its my generation, but some of them could not spot feminist ideal with a neon sign. Hell some women can't
I don't think it has anything to do with looks. Granted we can agree that a woman who is in shape, dresses nicely, keeps herself up..etc is desired by most men.
Looks aside, and using some of the words you posted---
I definitely think that black women who display femininity, while able to hold her own. Meaning, hold your own without trying to be a man.
A woman who "stays in her lane" by allowing the man to truly be the head of household. For lack of a better word, women who are able to submit without losing themselves.
That is why I said it is a very tight rope. Many black women are raised by their mother's only, and more often than not they see their mother's take on the role of head of household, and most are conditioned to adhere to this definition of what a woman should be (i.e. strong black woman). That mindset is usually a turn off for some black men which is why you catch those types of men throwing black women under the bus. However if they were able to meet a certain type, they will usually marry a black woman over a woman of a different race.
I realize I am probably rambling, and can explain further if need be. I just don't wanna burn up the chicken.
It is indeed a challenging role to navigate (remaining strong and true to yourself while allowing a man to lead) but I remember someone saying something that really stood out to me: men would rather feel respected than feel loved. It's not to say that they don't want both, but I would think that the perception of respect would be all the more salient for Black men since we live in a society that strives to strip them of this fundamental quality day in, day out. Unfortunately, because of the prevalence of dysfunctional family dynamics in some Black families, many equate having a woman they can walk all over as someone who respects them. But now I'm the one rambling so I'll just stop. 
I do feel sorry for the white/exotico chick they may be with or desire--because for some of those a$$holes it's just the womb, skin, and hair they want and once the kids come its either on to the next one or both are so blind to the self hatred that is the catalyst to the relationship that they both have effed up notions.To be honest, I'm still confused as to what constitutes the "right" Black woman; however, I can simply say that, from my experience, men can most definitely differentiate between a feminist vs. an ABW. Mos def.
Can someone just come out and state, explicitly, what is meant in the notion that Black men are loyal to certain Black women? @Raspberry and @snilloh, you two seem to be of one accord in this regard, and I'd like to know more specifics for the sake of satisfying my own curiosity. Do you mean Black women that adhere to gendered roles of femininity? Black women who will "stay in their lane" - whatever that looks like? Black women with certain features? Please help a sista out.
I don't think it has anything to do with looks. Granted we can agree that a woman who is in shape, dresses nicely, keeps herself up..etc is desired by most men.
Looks aside, and using some of the words you posted---
I definitely think that black women who display femininity, while able to hold her own. Meaning, hold your own without trying to be a man.
A woman who "stays in her lane" by allowing the man to truly be the head of household. For lack of a better word, women who are able to submit without losing themselves.
That is why I said it is a very tight rope. Many black women are raised by their mother's only, and more often than not they see their mother's take on the role of head of household, and most are conditioned to adhere to this definition of what a woman should be (i.e. strong black woman). That mindset is usually a turn off for some black men which is why you catch those types of men throwing black women under the bus. However if they were able to meet a certain type, they will usually marry a black woman over a woman of a different race.
I realize I am probably rambling, and can explain further if need be. I just don't wanna burn up the chicken.
I laughed out loud when I read the last bolded.
I see what you're saying (and no, you're not rambling). I suspected that this is what you meant but I wanted to be clear.
To be perfectly frank with you, in my observations of my married Black male friends, a lot of what you're saying, especially the bolded, rings true.
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so erm, that don't even count for me. Black men don't care about us, we need to stop caring about them. Point blank.
erplexed I wonder what that's all about. ***I apologise for the following essay
I personally believe that If you reduce this to the sum of it's parts, it's a gender issue first, more so than a racial one (eventhough race absolutely affects it, too). Gender dichotomies are the strongest social constructs in history, IMO. It effects every other -ism, -ist, issue out there. Just look at how often comments degenerate to, "Well men love it!" on this very board, as though the endorsement of a man is the be all and end all that we should all aspire to achieve. If a male likes it, it must be good.
I strongly believe that a white/black/asian male will be loyal to another male of his racial group before anyone else. Men are taught (even by women, which burns my soul) that they are better/different/without faults. It may no longer be as explicit anymore, as the use of pseudo-sciences to explain their supposed superiority over us is hushed, but, the undercurrent remains strong. Just because nobody says "Women are inferior baby receptacles" out loud to much public acclaim, doesn't mean the behaviour isn't encouraged. It's the subtle and hidden things that spiral into a dangerous mentality.
It sounds fickle, but, read some YT comments from pre-teen and teenage boys; they spew foolish things about women, their "place" and supposed lack of admirable abilities/qualities. They may have been born in the 21st century, but they operate on an archaic mindset. Worthless Neanderthals.
Hierarchies exist within other hierarchies; a white male is loyal to a white male first, then, a white women. Intra-racial loyalty operates on gender lines, IMO.
If he must show loyalty to another race, it will be to his gender counterpart.
Now, if you hoist black people and their loyalty issues into an interracial comparison sphere (I'm not talking about dating alone), then personally, I believe that black males show less loyalty to black women in comparison to the reverse. I believe a black male will throw a black woman under the bus more readily than his white/asian counterpart will throw their women under the grinding wheels of said vehicle.
I say this as a woman with three older brothers that I love dearly. Sometimes, those brothers of mine will fix their mouths to say some downright stupid S%!& about black women though
I swear, some of these beasts raised in the west...
I never thought of it this way; great post CosmicVisitor!!! 
) so the feeling is pretty mutual..
