Do you think black men as a group are as loyal to black women as we are to them?

[WhipEffectz1]

No they are not. Point blank and I'm not about to defend them.

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[CarmelCupcake]

To be honest, I don't even think the whole "black women are this and that" is not the reason why so many black men date outside the race. I think that is pretty much a cover up for why they do it. I think some black men are brain washed into thinking that non black women are the epitome of beauty. I mean if you look at music videos nowadays, you barely see black women anymore--the women are often asian, white, or hispanic. But if you turn on a Kid Rock or Justin Bieber video, you would rarely see any black women period.

I also think that black women should start dating outside the race. Why should we continuosly choose to prefer men who often times don't have a preference for us?

 

[CurlyMoo]

Which is interesting considering how many black children (male and female) are raised in single parents households with many men describing their mothers as "strong black women." Hmnn, I guess they wouldn't want to marry mama huh?

No they don't and no man wants to marry his mother. They want a lover and partner, not someone who's chasing behind him making sure he does what he is suppose to do. When men say they like strong women they are saying they want a woman who will not let him run her over or anyone else for that matter. And a woman who will handle her business without constant complaining and whinning. And certainly Not a nagging woman who reminds him of the days when mama would tell him to pick up his dirty laundry and clean his room.

 

[CurlyMoo]

Perhaps I am reading entirely too much into what you said but sayings like the above or the "there is nothing better than black love" always leave me feeling quite puzzled. I know we're not talking about people from other backgrounds but how is a strong, united, beautiful black family any better than a strong, united family of any background?

In the same vein how is strong, beautiful true love between a black man and woman any more beautiful or passionate than true love between a black woman/other or a black man/other?

Like i said, i'm probably reading too much into this but such sayings always leave me with the feeling that somehow the person believes almost anything black is somehow better/more superior than otherserplexed

I have to disagree with this. In fact I think this line of thinking is actually just years of brain washing the Black mind into believing that non-blacks are a step above and they should be included and considered in our way of thinking when it comes to dealing with issues that address us, our community, our people and now obviously our romantic choices.

Somehow we have gotten to the point where we fear excluding non-Blacks. I don't agree that Black people should always account for other races when those other races still see us as less than and without a second thought will exlude us. erplexed There is a time and place for it and someone stating that Black love is the best is not one of them. Why can't a Black person think that Black relationships are the greatest, especially for themselves? I don't even completely agree with the statement for myself, but I will fight to the death to make sure she has a right to say it. There is nothing wrong with wanting to keep our own. JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE DOES. The Black westerner is a different animal, I swear because no such ethinic or racial group has this line of thinking.

Why do we have to take on other persona's and include them all unto ourselves? A weeping White girl will get more sympathy than a weeping Black girl. We would tell her to go handle her business and the White girl gets a back rub and a tissue to dry her tears.

Even if I am attracted to and enjoy the company of some White men, not for one hot second will I forget that many of them are still benefiting from their status as top of the food chain in this country and this world in fact. And STILL benefiting from slavery. There will always be apart of me that wants to uplift and support my people.

Social engeneering is a b!t*h.

 

[CurlyMoo]

Why are we trying to fix this? I mean ... we didn't break it (lol) I don't believe it all starts with us. I don't remember Eve coming before Adam. Aren't they the head of household? Men should take charge. But they don't have a problem with a growing number of non-black households headed by black men. We're the ones that are making an issue of it. Just saying.

We all have to do our part. Trust me, Black men are having this very same conversation. But do you think White men are losing sleep over the fact that they have been putting more redlight camera's in mainly Black communities. How about the fact that they are also encouraging pregnant Black women to abort and encouraging White women to keep the child. We're mad at the wrong people and at this point doing nothing but self-distructing.

 

[CurlyMoo]

Right, as a whole we are already loyal to BM.
What are we supposed to do? We can't force them to be loyal to us. And they won't take responsibility for anything.
So at this rate, I say it's a lost cause.
Just move on, and focus on the men that are loyal to you..bm and/or non-bm.

Ok, if we are going to have this conversation then we really need to be honest. How many of us women are truely "loyal" or not dating other because we don't think we can get other or that we can have healthy happy relationship with other? How many times have we heard BW say that non-Black men are not looking for us and we can't date other like BM?

I remember this conversation ad nausem in and out of college with my friends complaining that the BM athletes and students were chasing other and how non-Black men didn't want us. So in other words if those other men were chasing us we would be just as willing to date out as Black men. Wouldn't we???? BW are so "concerned" with Black men's loyality but when a non-BM pursues us we can't contain ourselves. LOL Some of this stuff is basic human nature tied in with social engeneering.

EVERYONE has been taught by the media and whathave you to believe the the White woman hung the moon and Black is not popular unless it's a cool dance move or basketball dunk. We still don't get it. A perfect example would be a Black man married to a White woman but his mistresses are Black. Why not marry Black? Because in his pea brain, socially him having a White or non-Black woman is a step up. Black folks didn't invent this line of thinking, we adopted it due to our circumstances.

I honestly don't think that interracial dating is disloyal. I think trashing Black people to the non-Blacks that we are sleeping with is disloyal.

 

[CurlyMoo]

the feeling is mutual tbqh

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speak for yourself. i'm 24. i have no out of wedlock children. i have an advanced degree from a prestigious university. i support myself. i am fit and healthy. i am emotionally well adjusted. i don't need any 'fixing up.'

 

[carcajada]

No they don't and no man wants to marry his mother. They want a lover and partner, not someone who's chasing behind him making sure he does what he is suppose to do. When men say they like strong women they are saying they want a woman who will not let him run her over or anyone else for that matter. And a woman who will handle her business without constant complaining and whinning. And certainly Not a nagging woman who reminds him of the days when mama would tell him to pick up his dirty laundry and clean his room.

Those are the guys who usually don't pick up after themselves or help do chores when they grow up to be adults. His mama did everything so he expects his woman to do the same without any "lip" or back talk about it.