All This Chatter About Dating White Men, And Frankly...

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I don't see how we're really disagreeing about earnings . . . If we're talking about social pedigree/background, that's a whole other topic.

I still don't think that outside of men who want the whole "power couple" thing (i.e. the "strivers" who need the boost), men who are $$$ successful in their own right don't care if their wives careers are lucrative or whether she has a career at all or went Ivy. I don't think they seek out the most-degreed girls in the room as their first priority. YMMV. I don't have any experience with highly-educated black 20-somethings, so we're bound to disagree. My dh is not black, in his 30s, etc. I am also surrounded by a lot more successful entrepreneurs than white-collar professionals (who need the social acceptance a bit more).

See, I thought we were talking about the whole shebang...career, social background, connections, etc.

In terms of just pure money, I don't think most Black guys care if his girl makes 200,000 versus 20,000, so I agree with you there.
 
It was a metaphor. It means I learned to look beyond the "package". Perhaps if more people had gotten the metaphor, they wouldn't have gotten so salty. *Kanye shrug*

Yeah I wasn't sure what you were getting at. If you were calling White men generic or Black men.

If I understand you correctly you are saying that the insides are the same even though the exterior packaging may be different :scratchch

Thanks for clarifying.

My stance is that Love is profound and wonderful and I hope that everyone is able to have some in their lives. It makes me so happy to see people in love and expressing love:yep:
 
I'm still and forever will be shocked that people on this board are still talking about dating white man as if it is new. Do a research, dating white male has always been the theme on this board, so to all the current and late comers you ain't saying nothing new.
 
:urock::waytogo:

Women are NOT responsible for the behaviors of grown men. :wallbash: When will we finally learn this? If a man doesn't respect you, that's on him...but your reactions are on you.

Marriage is trending downwards anyway, in all racial groups and SES. Black men (in this case, but usually BP in general) are the "trendsetters" in the ol' sociology sense, as always. Truthfully, the pool of men of all races willing to legally marry is shrinking.

They're sticking their heads in the sand (tho I'd suggest elsewhere ;)) because they are in DE NILE :drowning: Many women are still expecting what their mothers and grandmothers reasonably did, but not reckoning w/ the changing WORLD. They need to check the marriage/divorce/cohabiting stats from most of the Western world to see the big pic. If anything, America..w/ it's religiosity and "family values", is still the country were Western folks marry most (adjusted to per capita) and are most likely to.

I actually read that marriage is holding strong amongst the upper class in the U.S.
 
I don't see what is so hard to understand about the message. She was just saying that she opened her horizons to a possibility that she'd be able to find someone who shared the same values and future goals as herself in someone who just might not be a black man. And it just so happened that she was right. :drunk:
 
There are always exceptions to the rule and I am aware of the Lovings, I watched the movie. However, generally, white men did not marry black women back in the day. They did not mind having sexual intercourse though.


Just because few chose to go against the general consensus does not change the fact.

The post was directed at the common idea/myth that white men never married black women before very recently.

It's like another myth, that we have had the same marriage/OOW rates since slavery.
 
I said it before and I will say it again, do I get a cookie or a drumstick if I find a White man to marry? :look:

I'm happy you're happy OP but I have and love a BM who has proved each and every one of the "stereotypes" wrong. :grin:

I'm handing out cookies to all sistas not married to or pining for losers.

My menu includes oatmeal raisin, oatmeal chocolate chip and shortbread.

Now offering brownies on special.
 
Okay this is ABSOLUTE BS. My father married Black NONE of my relatives are Baby DADDYs OR MAMA's or what have you. (Well you not supposed to be opening your legs to random dudes anyway and this man was surely random) And guess what that is what he thought of your also. It is what it is.


THIS dude sounds like a looser Black or white and just because you are with a white man that does not make it a prize just be thankful that you found yourself a good man period. YOU laid down and had a child with a Trashy man. You did not see that now did you. I would have run like the wind from Jump if man came from that situation and had those ideals about marriage and family. He was probably letting you know loud and clear before you got pregnant but you did not listen. So that was on you. people will tell you who they are if people just listen.

No matter what colour he was. Just because you had a bad experience with this one man please don't go around bashing black men. People do that enough anyway. I would feel the same kind of way is some black man stated what you did and said

SEE this is why I married a WHITE/ASIAN/LATINO/NAVI or whatever.

Just be happy you have someone that is good and kind to you PERIOD and stop the Black man bashing cause all the black men I know are about something. NOT in the streets not having 50-11 kids but 60-12 women are in school or married with families of their own. Not all Black men are like that.

Just be happy you have a good man period without all the bashing.

:lachen::lachen::lachen:
 
Before this thread gets the lock down, I want to address something...

Sure many people marry on their level, but this isn't always the case and that isn't a bad thing--unless the woman is having to marry down significantly.

In the case of men...

Not every executive, advanced degree yielding man wants a professional woman. Many men in high positions want wives who can hold down the home front, dedicate their time to raising the kids, and support him in his career. A jet-setting executive might have a hard time maintaining a marriage with a wife who has an equally demanding career.

I find that it's usually in the black community where successful men are encouraged to only seek out equally successful women, and while I don't see this as a bad thing, I will say that the motivation behind this trend isn't always positive.

In many other cultures, a woman is expected to marry up--not just on her level. With black women there is this belief that you can only get a man on your level or below. Any man on a level higher than yourself is too good for you.

There are many classes between people with doctorate degrees and hoodrats. Look at the Knowles (had to bring in Beyonce :giggle:). Her father was an executive and her mother owned and worked in a beauty shop. Difference of 'class' per se but it worked for them. Not every man like Matthew wants a Michelle.
 
Not always. I know plenty of men who date women for only being pretty. It really depends on the individual and their value system.

True...out here though, I don't really see it among the various races. While looks matter, I think substance is taken into consideration, as well.
 
The thing that still needs reviewing is the fact that black women that end up finding their self worth after dating that downright good for nothing black man.
(men)

And then use their new found self worth to look for a non-black man.

THAT will always amaze me.
 
Before this thread gets the lock down, I want to address something...

Sure many people marry on their level, but this isn't always the case and that isn't a bad thing--unless the woman is having to marry down significantly.

In the case of men...

Not every executive, advanced degree yielding man wants a professional woman. Many men in high positions want wives who can hold down the home front, dedicate their time to raising the kids, and support him in his career. A jet-setting executive might have a hard time maintaining a marriage with a wife who has an equally demanding career.

I find that it's usually in the black community where successful men are encouraged to only seek out equally successful women, and while I don't see this as a bad thing, I will say that the motivation behind this trend isn't always positive.

In many other cultures, a woman is expected to marry up--not just on her level. With black women there is this belief that you can only get a man on your level or below. Any man on a level higher than yourself is too good for you.

There are many classes between people with doctorate degrees and hoodrats. Look at the Knowles (had to bring in Beyonce :giggle:). Her father was an executive and her mother owned and worked in a beauty shop. Difference of 'class' per se but it worked for them. Not every man like Matthew wants a Michelle.

Ya know BSB, I never really considered it that way :scratchch:, but you have a really great point. Rarely if ever do you read about a high end CEO (say Bernie Madoff :grin:), big law, economist Paul Krugman (look up his wife y'all ;)), etc type WM...few, if any, have wives that are as educated and/or as active in biz as they are. BP seem more into being 'equally yoked" or something. :scratchch: I can fully understand that a man doesn't want an embarrassment up in his mix :giggle:, but there's definitely something to what you're saying. Of course, not everybody w/ a high end degree got rid of their "hoodrattitude" either! ;):giggle:

Outside of sports/celebs, BW have few opportunities to marry UP :thumbsup: w/in the BC. Rather few BM hold prominent high end jobs, so the opportunities are fewer. This is just a numbers game, IMHO. I mean, who is BOTH unmarried and a BM, that would be on Condi's level? :lachen:
 
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Ya know BSB, I never really considered it that way :scratchch:, but you have a really great point. Rarely if ever do you read about a high end CEO (say Bernie Madoff :grin:), big law, economist Paul Krugman (look up his wife y'all ;)), etc type WM...few, if any, have wives that are as educated and/or as active in biz as they are. BP seem more into being 'equally yoked" or something. :scratchch:

Outside of sports/celebs, BW have few opportinuties to mary UP :thumbsup: w/in the BC. Rather few BM hold prominent high end jobs, so the opportunities are fewer. This is just a numbers game, IMHO. I mean, who is BOTH unmarried and a BM, that would be on Condi's level? :lachen:

Bernie Madoff met his wife in HS. She was actually more "well-off" (middle class) than he was when they met and he went to work for her family's business first.

Anyways, with a lot of those big CEOs, they met their wives through shared social circles. As the Black Middle Class continues to grow, the easiest way to identify other Blacks of similar goals, ambition, career prospects, etc. is through advanced schooling (and I'm just talking about a BA, not grad-level degrees), leading to the creation of these social circles, which facilitate finding a mate. While you don't have to make 6 figures to have a shot at a very high-powered exec, you have to have some way "in" to his circle...and the "in" is more than just looks in a lot of cases.
 
Bernie Madoff was a something of a joke! :giggle: I know how he met his wife...gotta give it to her tho, she's stickin' by him in the jailhouse. ;)
 
The thing that still needs reviewing is the fact that black women that end up finding their self worth after dating that downright good for nothing black man.
(men)

And then use their new found self worth to look for a non-black man.

THAT will always amaze me.

Well, that's the truth for some BW....what's the issue there? :confused:

I understand where you're coming from and I know it makes some folks feel uncomfortable at this notion, but perhaps what they're NOT telling you is that they finally decided to act on their :sekret: yet real physical attraction once a BM let them down. This gave them "permission" to act, so to speak. Some BW are still afraid admit that they're primarily or only attracted to non BM and will fake da funk w/ a BM until they get an excuse to do otherwise. Some like to cover it up w/ Zeus like thunderbolt epiphanies! :giggle:

Not all BW are attracted exclusively or even at all to BM...it's just not acceptable to admit such. They get :mob::tantrum: on them in a NYC sec. On this matter, some BW are something like closeted gay men where some incident pushed them to accept their true nature. It is what it is. :yep:
 
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