Employees Who Stay In Companies Longer Than Two Years Get Paid 50% Less

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The worst kept secret is that employees are making less on average every year. There are millions of reasons for this, but we’re going to focus on one that we can control. Staying employed at the same company for over two years on average is going to make you earn less over your lifetime by about 50% or more.

Keep in mind that 50% is a conservative number at the lowest end of the spectrum. This is assuming that your career is only going to last 10 years. The longer you work, the greater the difference will become over your lifetime.

Arguments for Changing Jobs

The average raise an employee can expect in 2014 is 3%. Even the most underperforming employee can expect a 1.3% raise. The best performers can hope for a 4.5% raise. But, the inflation rate is currently 2.1% calculated based on the Consumer Price Index published by the Bureau of Labor Statistics. This means that your raise is actually less than 1%. This is probably sobering enough to make you reach for a drink.

In 2014, the average employee is going to earn less than a 1% raise and there is very little that we can do to change management’s decision. But, we can decide whether we want to stay at a company that is going to give us a raise for less than 1%. The average raise an employee receives for leaving is between a 10% to 20% increase in salary. Obviously, there are extreme cases where people receive upwards of 50%, but this depends on each person’s individual circumstances and industries.


Assumes your career will last 10 years. An avg 3% raise and a conservative 10% raise per transition.

Why are people who jump ship rewarded, when loyal employees are punished for their dedication? The answer is simple. Recessions allow businesses to freeze their payroll and decrease salaries of the newly hired based on “market trends.” These reactions to the recession are understandable, but the problem is that these reactions were meant to be “temporary.” Instead they have become the “norm” in the marketplace. More importantly, we have all become used to hearing about “3% raises” and we’ve accepted it as the new “norm.”

John Hollon, former editor of Workforce.com, remembers when “5% was considered an average annual pay increase.” The amount of fear the media created surrounding the recession and its length has given companies the perfect excuse to shrink payroll and lower employee salary expectations in the long-run.

The world is desperate for skilled labor and companies around the globe are starving for talent. Companies can tout technology replacing labor, but it is only exacerbating the global shortage of human capital and skilled workers. This means that we as employees are positioned better than ever to leverage our abilities for increased pay.

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Bethany Devine, a Senior Hiring Manager in Silicon Valley, CA CA -0.35% who has worked with Intuit INTU +0.43% and other Fortune 500 companies explains, “I would often see resumes that only had a few years at each company. I found that the people who had switched companies usually commanded a higher salary. The problem with staying at a company forever is you start with a base salary and usually annual raises are based on a percentage of your current salary. There is often a limit to how high your manager can bump you up since it’s based on a percentage of your current salary. However, if you move to another company, you start fresh and can usually command a higher base salary to hire you. Companies competing for talent are often not afraid to pay more when hiring if it means they can hire the best talent. Same thing applies for titles. Some companies have a limit to how many promotions they allow each year. Once you are entrenched in a company, it may become more difficult to be promoted as you may be waiting in line behind others who should have been promoted a year ago but were not due to the limit. However, if you apply to another company, your skills may match the higher title, and that company will hire you with the new title. I have seen many coworkers who were waiting on a certain title and finally received it the day they left and were hired at a new company.”

Even more importantly, when I asked Devine her thoughts on employees who had remained in the same company for periods long past the two year mark, she explained that she did feel that some were “underpaid” or had the potential to earn more.

Jessica Derkis started her career earning $8 per hour ($16,640 annual salary) as the YMCA’s marketing manager. Over 10 years, she’s changed employers five times to ultimately earn $72,000 per year at her most recent marketing position. This is approximately a 430% increase over a 10 year career. Derkis’ most recent transition resulted in a 50% increase to her salary. Derkis’ is a great example of how “owning your career” can make a huge difference in your income and career path.

Arguments Against Changing Jobs

People are worried that “changing jobs too often” will reflect negatively on employee resumes. I can definitely understand this fear because everyone is always worried about being unmarketable. I will be the first to admit that it is possible that certain employers may look at a resume with multiple transitions as a negative and may even disqualify an applicant based on that alone.

But, the important question is whether the risk outweighs the reward. Christine Mueller, President of TechniSearch Recruiters, has had clients that “will not consider anyone who has had more than three jobs in the last 10 years, no matter the reason.” Even so, Mueller still recommends that an employee makes a transition every three to four years for maximum salary gains. Thus, the question is less about whether employees should jump ship, but how long they should they wait before jumping to maximize their salaries and achieve their goals.

Brendan Burke, Director at Headwaters HW +4.43% MB, strongly disagrees with the “up-and-out culture.” He explains that “companies turn over great employees because they’re not organizationally strong enough to support rapid development within their ranks. In many cases, that is a recipe for discontinuity in service and product offerings as well as disloyalty in the ranks. As such, we take the opposite approach. Rather than force folks out after 24 months, we try to retain our junior and mid-level staff and develop them within the ranks.”

Mr. Burke is absolutely correct. Most companies are not equipped to “rapidly” promote and reward their best employees for a variety of reasons such as office politics. Everyone that has worked in the labor pool hates office politics, but understands that it is an unavoidable evil and is more often than not a major obstacle to rewarding talent.

Finally, we’ve been talking about money a lot. Andrew Bauer, CEO of Royce Leather, explains that jumping ship can be “stressful.” Employees also need to consider their “quality of life, mental health, physical health and better moral standards.” Mr. Bauer is right. Money is important, but it must be balanced with everything else in your life. Monetary compensation is only one part of your life, and it should not dictate everything.

Jumping ship is a risk that we all need to weigh at a personal level. In my career, jumping ship is something I’ve done aggressively and frequently. I’ve never looked back and regretted my decisions because I’ve always felt that my skills deserved more. Hiring a single employee who is able to perform even 10% more efficiently is worth at least a 25% increase in salary. Companies spend a lot of money to pay recruiters, human resourcing to conduct background checks and the time of existing employees to hire and train new people. It’s always cheaper to just hire better people and pay them more.

Conclusion:

It’s a fact that employees are underpaid. Instead of focusing on things we can’t control like the economy or management decisions, focus on the things we can. Employees can control their own salaries by aggressively negotiating their opportunities and being unafraid to ask for more.


Clearly, there will always be exceptions to the rule. Not everyone may be able to make this decision immediately, but every employee should consider the option. I don’t fault employers and businesses for the market because it’s their right and duty to maximize their profits. But, as an individual, you’re a CEO of one, and you have a duty to maximize your profits.
 
Thoughts on this? :look:

I tend to agree, but in the past when I've acted on these thoughts, people have acted like I was crazy. The article has proven correct for me, but I think its a new adjustment from how we're taught to approach our careers. Idk, just though this was interesting.
 
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I am a job hopper and the longest position I've held is 3 years. I make sure I receive at least a 10% raise each job change.

I am pretty cynical about job "loyalty" tho and I've never seen that in corporate America. I have been loyal to a PERSON (good boss or coworker) and followed them to another organization but an actual company?? Nah. Push come to shove they will give you the axe.:ohwell:

I think people over-hype how bad job hopping looks on your resume. I consider myself and expert job hunter and it rarely comes up. I'm sure I've been passed over for interviews, but someone eventually hires me :lol:
 
^I totally cosign on all of this.

I've only been at my current position for less than a year, and I'm currently looking for another job (still in the interview/background check process) with great bennies and pay. Just waiting for the phone call. Too many experiences have gotten me jaded while I worked in health and social services fields. Ironically, I put myself first before anything or anyone else. As for job hopping, I never had an issue. It was the couple of weeks or months here and there of unemployment that interviewers drilled my behind on. :look:
 
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Not sure why this is in relationships...job relationships, lol?

Anyway, a woman that I worked with in my first office job (who had already worked there for years) pretty much stated much of what is listed in this article.

I've never stayed at a traditional job for more than 2 years and it was never a problem for prospective employers. The only issue that I encountered were gaps in employment.
 
This needs to be moved but it's a great article! ITA with the whole thing. A black female executive told me this years ago and also said to not be afraid to move out of state. She said that those two things hold young people back from reaching their potential.
 
I am a job hopper and the longest position I've held is 3 years. I make sure I receive at least a 10% raise each job change.

I am pretty cynical about job "loyalty" tho and I've never seen that in corporate America. I have been loyal to a PERSON (good boss or coworker) and followed them to another organization but an actual company?? Nah. Push come to shove they will give you the axe.:ohwell:

I think people over-hype how bad job hopping looks on your resume. I consider myself and expert job hunter and it rarely comes up. I'm sure I've been passed over for interviews, but someone eventually hires me :lol:

Love this comment. Yeah, I don't think blind loyalty to a job is smart, but it seems to be a common idea that people promote.
 
Not sure why this is in relationships...job relationships, lol?

Anyway, a woman that I worked with in my first office job (who had already worked there for years) pretty much stated much of what is listed in this article.

I've never stayed at a traditional job for more than 2 years and it was never a problem for prospective employers. The only issue that I encountered were gaps in employment.

I didn't realize I was lurking in the Relationship forum. I was too busy trying to figure out how to cut and paste on this tablet. :lol: :sad:

Mods, can we move to OT?
 
I know this absolutely holds true for nursing.Actually, it's frequently joked about among nurses. You will never receive the pay/raise you want by remaining at your job. For new grads, as soon as their one year of experience is up they move on to another hospital and receive a 3 dollar raise or more.I had no choice but to stay with my hospital due to being in school, when evaluation time came around and I received a 40 cent raise I almost wanted to tell her to keep it! It also doesn't help that they're always complaining about the budget and the highest increase we can receive is 3 percent for raises.
 
I know this absolutely holds true for nursing.Actually, it's frequently joked about among nurses. You will never receive the pay/raise you want by remaining at your job. For new grads, as soon as their one year of experience is up they move on to another hospital and receive a 3 dollar raise or more.I had no choice but to stay with my hospital due to being in school, when evaluation time came around and I received a 40 cent raise I almost wanted to tell her to keep it! It also doesn't help that they're always complaining about the budget and the highest increase we can receive is 3 percent for raises.

:yep: I'm a new grad nurse and been at my job for 6 1/2 months and people think I'm crazy for updating my resume now. We got a 2% raise a couple of months ago and expecting another one after our eval in August. But I know I won't do more than 2 years where I'm at.
 
I believe it and I've found this to be true in my own career. I'm in advertising and I haven't been at one agency for more than 2 years. I average a 15% raise each time I switch jobs.

In fact, I just received an offer letter on Friday! Woot! I've been in my current position just over a year. However, I think agencies value more longevity for senior positions. The position I'm accepting is a higher position and I plan on staying for longer than 2 years, if they'll have me that long. For the next level of my career, I think they'll want to see me hold a senior position for a while.

ETA: It just hit me... I'm FINALLY going to be able to call myself an ad exec! :yay:
 
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It really does depend on where you work. Yes, in general, people are better off looking outside their companies for work if you would like a raise.

I am fortunate to be in an international company where I have consistently received significant raises and there are constant opportunities for advancement, especially for people who are willing to move. It's not easy to get into my company but once you do you hold on for dear life. However, these companies are few and far between and I did have to move around a bit before I found this gig.

Everyone else I know who is doing well constantly updates his/her resume and is always looking around and moving to the next best offer. Even when you are loyal to a company there are few (if any at all) that are loyal to YOU.
 
Brendan Burke, Director at Headwaters, strongly disagrees with the “up-and-out culture.” He explains that “companies turn over great employees because they’re not organizationally strong enough to support rapid development within their ranks. In many cases, that is a recipe for discontinuity in service and product offerings as well as disloyalty in the ranks. As such, we take the opposite approach. Rather than force folks out after 24 months, we try to retain our junior and mid-level staff and develop them within the ranks.
This is the problem where I work. I've been with the same employer for 13 years, but I've never had the same job more than 3. Our company does a really good job of staff development for leadership positions for both managers and potential managers. The problem is that once you give someone the leadership skills, there are limited promotional openings that you can apply for.

Thanks for posting this article.
 
I always believed in job hopping (after getting a degree) but now I'm with a good company trying to build experience and I feel good about it. I gave my first position less than two years, I plan to keep that pace for each new position.

They pay for certifications and licensing, even reimburse tuition. Several other locations in the US to move around, benefits galore, annual bonuses and raises. When I build up more experience and education, I'll consider looking for better. :yep:
 
I completely agree with this, and I think it's especially true for women.

The best way to get a raise is to change jobs and do it fairly often.

I'm starting a new job after the summer vacation and my old boss didn't want me to leave?! They think that just because you're a woman 40+ you'll want to stay at the same job until you retire or something. Forget about that. I'm all about learning new things/building my CV/furthering my career and making more money. If you can't offer that, I'm out.
 
As a parent, this is even more important. Every penny I make now is because of my son, he motivates me like nothing else. I am loyal only to my family and our finances.
 
I would think the industry matters. Those in Marketing and Finance I would agree because people typically work in job rotations so staying put would be a disservice. However, in fields/career where advancement in salary level depends on seniority it would be a disservice such as education and military/government.
 
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I would think the industry matters. Those in Marketing and Finance I would agree because people typically work in job rotations so staying put would be a disservice. However, in fields/career where advancement in salary level depends on seniority it would be a disservice such as education and military/government.

Definitely. :yep: Job hoppers rarely get interviews here and the ones who get interviews are grilled as to why they moved around so much.
 
so true....ive had several...well lets just say many jobs---and ive never--ever--ever stayed at a company for more than 2 yrsss.....:look:

im about my paper....and its absolute amazing to understand your professional worth and demand that with each new offer/position :grin:

i cant get any higher than my current role unless i wanna be a ceo or president and im honestly not about that life...

the idea of putting in yrss and yrsss at a companyyy are overrrr...dont do it..KIM....get your coinsss and take care of yourself and your families!!!:yep:

I completely agree with this, and I think it's especially true for women.

The best way to get a raise is to change jobs and do it fairly often.

I'm starting a new job after the summer vacation and my old boss didn't want me to leave?! They think that just because you're a woman 40+ you'll want to stay at the same job until you retire or something. Forget about that. I'm all about learning new things/building my CV/furthering my career and making more money. If you can't offer that, I'm out.
 
This article is true (I've seen it happen in my own experience :yep: ), but I think they underestimate how "challenging" it can be to get a new job.

Some people just can't get a new job at the snap of a finger just like that in this economy. :nono: Especially in professions where you're pretty much a dime a dozen. :perplexed

SO, while this advice is true, I think that the economic times have changed so much over the years that it's not as "easy" to just switch companies or "job hop" as much as it was just 8 years ago. :ohwell:
 
I found this out the hard way. I stayed at my previous company for 17 years only to hit a roadblock in the form of an awful manager. I was informed that I would not get paid a decent bonus based on my work from the precious year because I got a promotion during my last yearly review. My bonus went to two guys known for fraternizing and long coffee breaks. Thankfully he forced me to look for another job that pays more and had significantly better benefits.
 
Since grad school, I have not stayed in a job really too much longer than two years. I told my coworkers this plan when I started my first job, and they did not believe me until I turned in my notice. I make almost double that salary now. Each job has been a pay increase and until my current job, the companies all recruited me. My loyalty is to my family and securing a better future. That's where my loyalty lies.
 
couple things to note...

-if you weren't a bad employee and made sure you did your job and did it well and left on great terms than that shouldn't be an issue

-most smart companies understand the idea of an employee moving on to a better position that would be a step up for said employee...promotion/larger salary is a understandable reason

-always make sure you have atleast one key player that is in a mgmt/supervisor role that can vouch for you....


-always good to make a move when your still employed at your company--companies want the best employees/talent and they are competitive so taking talent from a competitor makes sense to most companies...

imho




Don't you worry about burning bridges when leaving so soon with each position?
 
Don't you worry about burning bridges when leaving so soon with each position?

What bridge is burned? Leaving a job isn't a bridge burned in itself. I've always given at least a two week notice and tidied things up before leaving. I went by my last job yesterday to visit and they were like, "Come back!"

My current supervisor ran into a supervisor I had when I was an intern in grad school. That supervisor told my current supervisor that if she had a position open she'd try to steal me. I could go back to any place of employment and not be embarrassed.
 
Makes sense. I changed jobs even though I went down in status (front end supervisor to sales associate) but I went up $1.50 an hour. And I'm about to swtich again if the new job gives me at least $10 an hour.

These companies especially corporations ain't giving out nada. Get what you need and move on.
 
Since grad school, I have not stayed in a job really too much longer than two years. I told my coworkers this plan when I started my first job, and they did not believe me until I turned in my notice. I make almost double that salary now. Each job has been a pay increase and until my current job, the companies all recruited me. My loyalty is to my family and securing a better future. That's where my loyalty lies.

YES. I am slowly learning this lesson. They don't deserve my loyalty when they can fire me "at will." Shoot. Don't owe them squat. I spent a 1.5 years at my first job, 5 months at my second job and it will be 8 months at my current one this month if I dont leave.
 
I'm subscribing to this thread because I so needed this reminder. I needed those posts on leaving a position even in less than a year since I feel like there is a stigma against it. While I love my job, I don't want to become complacent.
 
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