Your man in the strip club...

[breezy]

Why would he go when he can get it at home for free? I don't keep 4 inch heels and pasties and garters for nuthin- I'm also saving up for one of those collapsible stripper poles- keep it fresh ladies, especially you married ones! He can stuff all the dollars he wants right into my g-string! The Carmen Electra dvd also helps a lot if you don't know where to begin

Well okaaaaay!!!! Pasties? Girl you don't play...I need to step my game up

 

[pebbles]

This thread started out fun, but some of you really took it overboard. That's too bad. Remember that everyone gets to state their opinion on the forum. What's the big deal? Well, it was fun while it lasted.

 

[Dee-Licious]

what's wrong with it??

 

[Summer_Rain]

I'm confused Pebs.....

 

[BlkManWithSomeSense]

I'm not backing down on anything I've said before but it's like Breezy said earlier, you get to the point in a talk where you just agree to disagree. I love a spirited conversation and I think this thread illustrated both sides pretty fairly. I never took anything personally. I loved hearing all sides because any perspective is education.

My opninon that something is wrong or not logical is just MY own opinion. It's not being confrontational but it's lke a debate and when you say your opponent is wrong, it's just an opinion based assessment, not a condemning. I suppose some of my 'passion' is from how I assert myself as a man and I try to keep a leash on it so it's not overbearing. I have a pretty thick skin so I can handle alot and I love being here to give a different perspective but like any other opinion on this site, it's just one among many. If it opens your eyes to something you havent considered, thats cool. If it doesnt, no problem, lets talk about it and then go on to the next post.

As far as the topic, sometimes men can be full of crap and I say that not out of disloyalty but just a passive observation. I swear we can rationalize almost anything if it's something we really want. If a man wants to go to strip clubs, of course he will say whatever he needs to say to put his lady's fears to rest. I personally dont find it funny to manipulate the trust a woman has in him just to do something he really wants. There should be limits but sometimes men dont use them. It's crazy to be at a barbershop or any place that men congregate and hear some men talk about how funny it was that they got one over their 'old lady' and did something they personally admit they had no business doing. As I've said it's not the temptation to cheat, it's an improper environment for him to be and deep down... he knows it.

 

[Laginappe]

Why would he go when he can get it at home for free? I don't keep 4 inch heels and pasties and garters for nuthin- I'm also saving up for one of those collapsible stripper poles- keep it fresh ladies, especially you married ones! He can stuff all the dollars he wants right into my g-string! The Carmen Electra dvd also helps a lot if you don't know where to begin

Collapsible Stripper Poles!?!? Why am I always hearing about the best inventions AFTER THE FACT?

Where can a person purchase one? I think it would be a helluva wedding gift!

 

[Laginappe]

I'm not backing down on anything I've said before but it's like Breezy said earlier, you get to the point in a talk where you just agree to disagree. I love a spirited conversation and I think this thread illustrated both sides pretty fairly. I never took anything personally. I loved hearing all sides because any perspective is education.

My opninon that something is wrong or not logical is just MY own opinion. It's not being confrontational but it's lke a debate and when you say your opponent is wrong, it's just an opinion based assessment, not a condemning. I suppose some of my 'passion' is from how I assert myself as a man and I try to keep a leash on it so it's not overbearing. I have a pretty thick skin so I can handle alot and I love being here to give a different perspective but like any other opinion on this site, it's just one among many. If it opens your eyes to something you havent considered, thats cool. If it doesnt, no problem, lets talk about it and then go on to the next post.

As far as the topic, sometimes men can be full of crap and I say that not out of disloyalty but just a passive observation. I swear we can rationalize almost anything if it's something we really want. If a man wants to go to strip clubs, of course he will say whatever he needs to say to put his lady's fears to rest. I personally dont find it funny to manipulate the trust a woman has in him just to do something he really wants. There should be limits but sometimes men dont use them. It's crazy to be at a barbershop or any place that men congregate and hear some men talk about how funny it was that they got one over their 'old lady' and did something they personally admit they had no business doing. As I've said it's not the temptation to cheat, it's an improper environment for him to be and deep down... he knows it.

I think that the ability to rationalize is not strictly a male domain. Both sexes are highly skilled. Incredibly. Depending on which side of an argument a person - male or female - believes best benefits them, they can rationalize it into the ground and out the other side.

 

[BlkManWithSomeSense]

I think that the ability to rationalize is not strictly a male domain. Both sexes are highly skilled. Incredibly. Depending on which side of an argument a person - male or female - believes best benefits them, they can rationalize it into the ground and out the other side.

LOL True. No I dont think men hold the patent to rationalization but I do think we take advantage more than women when we need to rationalize. I've rationalized a few things in my time but maturity has allowed me to better appreciate my blessings. Sometimes (and I use this word lightly) some women will let their men go to strip clubs even if they dont personally approve because she knows it means alot to him. If it were me and I know she wasnt cool with it and was just trying to be supportive then I wouldnt do it. I have limits. I will not seek to win at all costs.

A commitment is very deep and personal. I feel my time and our money is better spent making my lady feel special and / or improving our situation. I personally cant rationalize going someplace to smack another woman's butt, play with her boobs and then come home and tell my lady she's the only one for me. I might even have a woman who is cool enough to not be bothered by it, but SOMETHING should kick in HIS head and say ' naw my place is with my woman' so it doesnt even get that far for her to approve it.

 

[Treasure2k6]

It doesn't bother me at all! He doesn't mine if I go support the Chip N Dales every now and then either

It's one of those things that you will have to be secure within your relationship and have trust in your partner. If you don't have trust issues or insecurties....let'em go!

They (men) come back home to wifey anyways...

 

[breezy]

This thread started out fun, but some of you really took it overboard. That's too bad. Remember that everyone gets to state their opinion on the forum. What's the big deal? Well, it was fun while it lasted.

Who's taken things overboard?

 

[Southernbella.]

It's one of those things that you will have to be secure within your relationship and have trust in your partner. If you don't have trust issues or insecurties....let'em go!

I keep seeing this opinion, and I'm trying to understand it. I think a person can be perfectly secure in their marriage, and still feel that their spouse doesn't need to be there.

I mean, I trust that my dh would ever do drugs, but that doesn't mean I think he should hang out in a crack house (bad example, but you get what I'm saying). There are just some environments I don't feel are edifying or beneficial.

The Carmen Electra dvd also helps a lot if you don't know where to begin

I plan to get this in about 2 years when my body looks normal again and my breasts aren't leaking milk.

 

[breezy]

I keep seeing this opinion, and I'm trying to understand it. I think a person can be perfectly secure in their marriage, and still feel that their spouse doesn't need to be there.

I mean, I trust that my dh would ever do drugs, but that doesn't mean I think he should hang out in a crack house (bad example, but you get what I'm saying). There are just some environments I don't feel are edifying or beneficial.



I plan to get this in about 2 years when my body looks normal again and my breasts aren't leaking milk.

Lauren I don't really see it as a security issue, so I see what you mean. I'm just of the thought that either it's something you do or it isn't. Now I don't think people who don't have secure marriages could pull it off well, but not everyone who has a secure relationship would want to, and I can understand that. I hope that made sense.

Oh and you wanna talk about leaking milk.........I swear this milk is never gonna dry up the way that boy nurses!

 

[Pam Pam]

I voted that it was okay once in a while, but my personal preference would be that it is wrong. I don't think anyone, single or otherwise should frequent strip clubs.

When I first met my husband, going to the strip club was his thing. He kept saying he was going and I told him I didn't think it was a good idea and that it didn't sit well with me.

So I finally told him that since he's dying to go not to be mad when I go and do "my thing" with my friends. He went, and called me the whole night. I don't think he was there 3 hours before he was at my door.

Nothing like reminding him that I'm good at finishing what other people start....

 

[Shimmie]

Shimmie what's the difference between the "lessons" you're offering, and those of an exotic dancer? Certainly they incorporate most of the same moves & gyrations and what not....so what makes recieving lessons from better or more "refined"? If it's all being done for their husbands - why does it matter who "taught" them?

The moves are not the same. Sadly our Western culture has taken the origins of these dances and have created a mockery (so to speak) of them. There is a distinct difference from strip club belly dance moves in comparison to authentic dance itsself. There's much confusion about belly dance in it's pure art form. It's sad that what you have been exposed to in Belly Dance is not Belly Dance. You have only witnessed an idea of what the Dancer perceives it as such. It's actually been ill presented. That's not my style nor the way that I've been taught. I didn't learn from a cheap video course. I had to take lessons that were priviledged and by Instructors who were taught by Master Teachers. It was very hard to undo a lot of my sloppy dance habits and learn the correct way of posture, movement and refinement.

Any move that a woman does in Dance with her body is going to have a degree of sensuality to it. As there are different walks in a woman, there are many Dance moves as well. The difference is how it is carried off and how it is executed and also the Spirit behind the Dance.

Nothing that I teach would ever be seen in a Strip Club. It's is simply innappropriate. There is a difference. A differerence which is indicated in your reply that you haven't been exposed to.

For a husband, anything that a wife does with her body can be very appealing, which is why she does not have to go to extreme lengths to impress him; instead she can learn much in the Art of Dance in its purest form.

My teacher says the difference is between a Rose and a thorn. While one has soft petals and a fragrance, the other injures. And stripping does injure. It has the sad ability to strip one of their self-worth. No person male or female deserves this...all humans are of value.

And for the record, I truly mean no offense. It's only fair to allow others to be aware that they do have other options. There is a beautiful difference and my heart is open to anyone who wants to learn.

Peace and blessings...

 

[Shimmie]

I voted that it was okay once in a while, but my personal preference would be that it is wrong. I don't think anyone, single or otherwise should frequent strip clubs.

When I first met my husband, going to the strip club was his thing. He kept saying he was going and I told him I didn't think it was a good idea and that it didn't sit well with me.

So I finally told him that since he's dying to go not to be mad when I go and do "my thing" with my friends. He went, and called me the whole night. I don't think he was there 3 hours before he was at my door.

Nothing like reminding him that I'm good at finishing what other people start....

Pam, thanks for your PM. It was very sweet.

 

[BlkManWithSomeSense]

I just wanted to tell everyone thanks for sharing their 'voice'. I had fun today and I learned quite a bit. See ya on the next thread.

 

[sweetascocoa]

Bree, did you get your new shoes yet?

 

[mermaid]

The moves are not the same. Sadly our Western culture has taken the origins of these dances and have created a mockery (so to speak) of them. There is a distinct difference from strip club belly dance moves in comparison to authentic dance itsself. There's much confusion about belly dance in it's pure art form. It's sad that what you have been exposed to in Belly Dance is not Belly Dance. You have only witnessed an idea of what the Dancer perceives it as such. It's actually been ill presented. That's not my style nor the way that I've been taught. I didn't learn from a cheap video course. I had to take lessons that were priviledged and by Instructors who were taught by Master Teachers. It was very hard to undo a lot of my sloppy dance habits and learn the correct way of posture, movement and refinement.

Any move that a woman does in Dance with her body is going to have a degree of sensuality to it. As there are different walks in a woman, there are many Dance moves as well. The difference is how it is carried off and how it is executed and also the Spirit behind the Dance.

Nothing that I teach would ever be seen in a Strip Club. It's is simply innappropriate. There is a difference. A differerence which is indicated in your reply that you haven't been exposed to.

Sorry sistah, but anyone can dance any way they want to in a strip club. The moves in belly dance ARE used in a strip club, because I used to do it- not the burlesque Shakira type, but traditional middle eastern/turkish dance.
Any dance is appropriate in a club, there is no monopoly on who can use what moves where.

 

[mermaid]

Collapsible Stripper Poles!?!? Why am I always hearing about the best inventions AFTER THE FACT?

Where can a person purchase one? I think it would be a helluva wedding gift!

Here ya go, Lag-
http://www.lilmynx.com/dancepoles.php
one of the members of the stripper message board I go to runs a site that sells stripper stuff and links to other suppliers, the link to removable pole is on her site http://store.stripper-clothes-shoes.com/index.html

 

[Sweetyb]

I believe that weak women make this a Man's world. There's no reason why a man should go to a strip club if he's a decent man in a relationship with someone. He could be using that time to play with the kids, work on his businesses or hobby, reading his Bible, or out buying me some flowers . Strip club?? Men don't need it to survive. That's just a sexual predator in the making... yes a bit of a stretch, but still IMO.

 

[candiel]

I believe that weak women make this a Man's world. There's no reason why a man should go to a strip club if he's a decent man in a relationship with someone. He could be using that time to play with the kids, work on his businesses or hobby, reading his Bible, or out buying me some flowers . Strip club?? Men don't need it to survive. That's just a sexual predator in the making... yes a bit of a stretch, but still IMO.

I feel the same way, Sweetyb!

 

[Shimmie]

Sorry sistah, but anyone can dance any way they want to in a strip club. The moves in belly dance ARE used in a strip club, because I used to do it- not the burlesque Shakira type, but traditional middle eastern/turkish dance.
Any dance is appropriate in a club, there is no monopoly on who can use what moves where.

I know that I have 'offended' you, which was and is not my intention. But the same as you are here to represent what you know and have experienced about strip clubs, And in response to the posts directed to me, I am also here to share what I know and have experienced in Dance.

One important thing to always remember is that the origins of any dance is from a culture and cultures must be respected. From a culture many dances get passed down, however unfortuately, it's purpose, it's meaning, and it's presentation becomes watered down and/or adulterated. It becomes disrespected.

I fully understand that you feel that you are Belly Dancing because you are doing belly dance moves which you've learned, but understand there is a distinct difference in doing the moves of a dance as compared to keeping the Dance in it's origin.

Real Belly Dance, respected in it's cultural form and it's meaning is not what is being represented in a strip club. I understand perfectly, why you don't see it this way. It's only because you were never taught.

Because Dancing and the study of it, is a stong part of my life, I have met and have danced and I see perfomances from literally 100's and I do mean many 100's of Dancers of all forms. You have to understand that Belly Dance has become the latest 'craze'...or fad. There are many 'Teachers' who are not teachers. They are only giving a demonstration of what they have learned 2nd and 3rd and even 10th hand. It's not the origin.

Consider this: As African Americans, we have a 'natural' rhythm. It's something we have learned from our parents. However, if you've ever noticed, that although the moves we do socially, resemble the moves of our ancestors, they are still not the same. And we cannot call it African Dance. It's an insult.

When I danced with an African Company, I was under the very strictest Instructor. We either respected the dance in it's origin, or we did not perform. Our bodies were 'made' to conform to proper execution of each movement. We had to not only respect our bodies, but respect the music; we didn't make our own interpretations. For it was an insult to the Culture. Trust me, I learned.

Don't be offended. I'm not. I had to learn these truths about Dancing as well as other things in life. And I will continue to learn. You've shared much truth here about the strip club environment. And I know it has helped many women.

You have a 'ministry' here and I do see the move of God using you with your testimony to open the minds of others who think this choice of venue innocent. It does indeed have a high cost and a serious consequence. Dangerous seeds are being planted and watered and sadly bad fruit is produced. You spoke the truth about dangers of it. You also chose to leave it.

I respect what you know about that lifestyle...you've lived it. And as a Dancer, a student of the Arts and it's culture, I know about real Belly Dance. It's not the lie that has been presented as you see today.

Peace and blessings...

 

[Aubergold]

Because Dancing and the study of it, is a stong part of my life, I have met and have danced and I see perfomances from literally 100's and I do mean many 100's of Dancers of all forms. You have to understand that Belly Dance has become the latest 'craze'...or fad. There are many 'Teachers' who are not teachers. They are only giving a demonstration of what they have learned 2nd and 3rd and even 10th hand. It's not the origin.

Consider this: As African Americans, we have a 'natural' rhythm. It's something we have learned from our parents. However, if you've ever noticed, that although the moves we do socially, resemble the moves of our ancestors, they are still not the same. And we cannot call it African Dance. It's an insult.

When I danced with an African Company, I was under the very strictest Instructor. We either respected the dance in it's origin, or we did not perform. Our bodies were 'made' to conform to proper execution of each movement. We had to not only respect our bodies, but respect the music; we didn't make our own interpretations. For it was an insult to the Culture. Trust me, I learned.

I can't comment on the rest, but as fellow dancer who has studied West African dance (what specific region did you learn from?), this is VERY true. A high level of respect to the origins of a certain movement is detrimental in dance, especially cultural dance. WHen you start fussin with things, it becomes a whole new form of movement, even just a little bit. I have no idea whether or not strippers are trained to take this into account. Shakira and the bunch did commercialize belly-dancing and Beyonce with her so-called "african dance". I can see how someone who's studied these form for a long time would shake their head.


woah did I just agree with Shimmie? ::faints:::

lol, j/k

 

[Shimmie]

I can't comment on the rest, but as fellow dancer who has studied West African dance (what specific region did you learn from?), this is VERY true. A high level of respect to the origins of a certain movement is detrimental in dance, especially cultural dance. WHen you start fussin with things, it becomes a whole new form of movement, even just a little bit. I have no idea whether or not strippers are trained to take this into account. Shakira and the bunch did commercialize belly-dancing and Beyonce with her so-called "african dance". I can see how someone who's studied these form for a long time would shake their head.


woah did I just agree with Shimmie? ::faints:::

lol, j/k

You'll recover. I'm on the East Coast. My Instruction began as a college PE course. After the course, I was invited to join the Instructor's Dance Company. BIG CHANGE! She was 'kind' and gentle in the college course because she had to be. Not so in her Dance Company.

But when I began to study under her a a serious dancer, I was literally in tears because nothing I did appeared to right. It wasn't all about having correct posture and looking 'pretty'. We had to respect the culture and it's origin. We had to respect the Earth 'from which we came' and our costuming had to draped accordingly or it was not acceptable.

Our stance had to be in perfect 'Plie', and as you well know in African Dance that's the Dance postion where the body basically begins, and comes back to with each and every move. The Isolations had to be precise. The hips moved when told and the upper body was still until instructed otherwise.

There was no wiggling or jiggling and if any movement which even resembled 'street' dancing (as we know it in the clubs) was even hinted at, you not only received a sharp reprimand but your body was literally placed in the correct position. It was hard, but I learned to 'respect' the Dance.

And Belly Dancing is the same way. In the same manner that African Dance has the 'Master' (or some may say Guru - and most of the Dance masters in African Dance are male)

... but in this same manner, Belly Dance has "Master Teachers" (they must be certified, and it's done mostly in the Middle East) and, Many are older women in their 60's and 70's and to see them upon first view, you think, 'What can they Still Do?"

These woman can Dance!!! Literally they can dance you into the ground. Many of them are from Tribal format and those I've met are from the Egyptian and Lebanese culture. And they only present the Dance in it's purest form. It's not the jiggly-wiggly' grinding, adulterated versions we see on stage today. These women know the Culture and they respect it.

One of the reasons I've chosen the name 'Shimmie' is because I've learned the true and deeper meaning of it. A real and proper shimmie movement 'respects' the form of a woman's body. I can literally perform an isolated hip shimmie movement in 10 formats and you'd never know that my hips were in movement. It's done internally and with a natural flow of fluid muscle control. It's not a wiggle and a grind. No gyrations are necessary to bring this movement across. But you can see and appreciate the difference from what others have mistaken Belly Dance to be.

Culture is a wonderful thing to celebrate. Especially when we respect it's origin and present it as such.

Peace and blessings.

 

[mermaid]

I know that I have 'offended' you, which was and is not my intention. But the same as you are here to represent what you know and have experienced about strip clubs, And in response to the posts directed to me, I am also here to share what I know and have experienced in Dance.

One important thing to always remember is that the origins of any dance is from a culture and cultures must be respected. From a culture many dances get passed down, however unfortuately, it's purpose, it's meaning, and it's presentation becomes watered down and/or adulterated. It becomes disrespected.

I fully understand that you feel that you are Belly Dancing because you are doing belly dance moves which you've learned, but understand there is a distinct difference in doing the moves of a dance as compared to keeping the Dance in it's origin.

Real Belly Dance, respected in it's cultural form and it's meaning is not what is being represented in a strip club. I understand perfectly, why you don't see it this way. It's only because you were never taught.

Because Dancing and the study of it, is a stong part of my life, I have met and have danced and I see perfomances from literally 100's and I do mean many 100's of Dancers of all forms. You have to understand that Belly Dance has become the latest 'craze'...or fad. There are many 'Teachers' who are not teachers. They are only giving a demonstration of what they have learned 2nd and 3rd and even 10th hand. It's not the origin.

Consider this: As African Americans, we have a 'natural' rhythm. It's something we have learned from our parents. However, if you've ever noticed, that although the moves we do socially, resemble the moves of our ancestors, they are still not the same. And we cannot call it African Dance. It's an insult.

When I danced with an African Company, I was under the very strictest Instructor. We either respected the dance in it's origin, or we did not perform. Our bodies were 'made' to conform to proper execution of each movement. We had to not only respect our bodies, but respect the music; we didn't make our own interpretations. For it was an insult to the Culture. Trust me, I learned.

Don't be offended. I'm not. I had to learn these truths about Dancing as well as other things in life. And I will continue to learn. You've shared much truth here about the strip club environment. And I know it has helped many women.

You have a 'ministry' here and I do see the move of God using you with your testimony to open the minds of others who think this choice of venue innocent. It does indeed have a high cost and a serious consequence. Dangerous seeds are being planted and watered and sadly bad fruit is produced. You spoke the truth about dangers of it. You also chose to leave it.

I respect what you know about that lifestyle...you've lived it. And as a Dancer, a student of the Arts and it's culture, I know about real Belly Dance. It's not the lie that has been presented as you see today.

Peace and blessings...

I wasn't trained as a stripper. I was trained as a dancer, long before any of this. I started studying ballet in the 2nd grade and continued until I decided to switch to gymnastics in 7th grade until 10th when it was apparent I would be too tall for the sport/dance. I took dance classes as an adult at the community college by my house (as I had 4 kids, it was in walking distance and easier for everyone involved) and stayed with that until I moved. I took belly dance 6 years ago with Delilah http://www.visionarydance.com/aboutdelilah.html and realized the damage done to my hips working in strip clubs was hindering my progress (although she told me that it can be worked out with dancing- which I KNEW but to get through it I had to make it worse for a while and I couldnt afford to limp any more than I already do- yes, I have a limp ).
In the clubs, I took what I was already taught in all the forms and put my own spin on it (as a true dancer does), I was not in traditional garb and rarely (although not never) used traditional music but trust me, it was definitely trained dancing.
Child, I ain't NO minister. I just tell what I know, if it opens someone's eyes, then great. If it makes someone want to buy a stripper pole, well just as great. If it makes someone want to be a dancer, well, hopefully they will pm me and I can give them as much pro/con info I can.

 

[sxyhairfetish]

I don't mind it at all me and the hubby go together and have a great time He doesn't like to go without me. He actually hated going but since I suggested that we go out and try one (because I have never been to one before) we had a ball! This is our `little thing that we do and we both enjoy it. He said he used to go with his boys before he met me but he hated it because he said it was a tease... then his boys would want the VIP treatment and he hates the theory of having to pay for sex soo... hey it works for me lol

 

[Shimmie]

I wasn't trained as a stripper. I was trained as a dancer, long before any of this. I started studying ballet in the 2nd grade and continued until I decided to switch to gymnastics in 7th grade until 10th when it was apparent I would be too tall for the sport/dance. I took dance classes as an adult at the community college by my house (as I had 4 kids, it was in walking distance and easier for everyone involved) and stayed with that until I moved. I took belly dance 6 years ago with Delilah http://www.visionarydance.com/aboutdelilah.html and realized the damage done to my hips working in strip clubs was hindering my progress (although she told me that it can be worked out with dancing- which I KNEW but to get through it I had to make it worse for a while and I couldnt afford to limp any more than I already do- yes, I have a limp ).
In the clubs, I took what I was already taught in all the forms and put my own spin on it (as a true dancer does), I was not in traditional garb and rarely (although not never) used traditional music but trust me, it was definitely trained dancing.
Child, I ain't NO minister. I just tell what I know, if it opens someone's eyes, then great. If it makes someone want to buy a stripper pole, well just as great. If it makes someone want to be a dancer, well, hopefully they will pm me and I can give them as much pro/con info I can.

I'm sorry about your hip. For a Dancer never stops being one. I believe that each time you hear music, no matter where you are, inside of your heart and mind you are dancing. You are even 'counting' the music and making the connection between the different levels. A Dancer never stops being a Dancer. It's her life.

Mermaid, I have no doubt about your former training in Dance, therefore you can see where respecting the Dance comes into the forefront.

In Dance you are also aware that we are to respect our bodies. Strip Dancing by nature will harm a woman's body. This you know is due to the 'hyper-extending' of her body in order to exaggerate the movements and for any type of 'stage' performance, movements have to be just that, exeraggerated. Those who dance in the strip format do this to the point of injury to their bodies.

But then all Dancers have injuries. I've had my share. From a 'frozen shoulder' to sore ankles that lasted for months.

May I share this? Belly Dancing can and does heal a woman's body. With the help of my teacher and prayer, my shoulder was healed within three months of Dance therapy. With your hip, there is a position with your pelvic area, that will help to re-align your hips for you. There's also an exercise series 'Callenectics' by Callen Pinckney, which is excellent for realigning our bodies.

I'm familiar with Delilah as well as Suhaila Sulimpour. Can you see what I mean and understand the difference in their moves as those compared to what is done is a strip club. I have no doubt that your dancing included these moves, but in order to strip dance to the pleasure and the 'demand' of the patrons, the owners and the industry, these dance moves had to be altered and were no longer what a Belly Dancer does.

Now for the record, Suhaila has really taken a 'step-down' in the dance. She's not remaining true to the Art. Her latest performance at Rakassah West (back in March) was not well-received. Oh! There are some others who have taken the Dance down to a level which is not true to the Art.

Check out this link: Go to the photo album labeled "Rakassah West", you'll see it close to the bottom.

http://new.photos.yahoo.com/christine_teh/album/576460762338278852

Mermaid, this is what I mean about there are those who have taken the real meaning from the art of Belly Dance and has given it a poor image.

These two girls literally had two 'Black Men' as a part of their act and they literally acted out having 'sex' on stage. And this is supposed to be a 'family event'. Suhaila Solimpour wasn't any better. She and her troupe came out in black bikini underwear...no joke. I'll try to find that picture as well. If that's what they do, fine. But not in a family oriented event. Children are there and it's not something that should have happened. I know you agree with this.

I apologise for every insult which was taken to heart towards you personally. You were never the target here.

Peace and blessings to you. And yes God is going to use you as His messenger. For one day, you're going to be moved to save the lives of women who are lost and don't know where else to go. You'll be there to lead the way. They will call you, "Lady Moses."

 

[mermaid]

I'm sorry about your hip. For a Dancer never stops being one. I believe that each time you hear music, no matter where you are, inside of your heart and mind you are dancing. You are even 'counting' the music and making the connection between the different levels. A Dancer never stops being a Dancer. It's her life.

Mermaid, I have no doubt about your former training in Dance, therefore you can see where respecting the Dance comes into the forefront.

In Dance you are also aware that we are to respect our bodies. Strip Dancing by nature will harm a woman's body. This you know is due to the 'hyper-extending' of her body in order to exaggerate the movements and for any type of 'stage' performance, movements have to be just that, exeraggerated. Those who dance in the strip format do this to the point of injury to their bodies.

But then all Dancers have injuries. I've had my share. From a 'frozen shoulder' to sore ankles that lasted for months.

May I share this? Belly Dancing can and does heal a woman's body. With the help of my teacher and prayer, my shoulder was healed within three months of Dance therapy. With your hip, there is a position with your pelvic area, that will help to re-align your hips for you. There's also an exercise series 'Callenectics' by Callen Pinckney, which is excellent for realigning our bodies.

I'm familiar with Delilah as well as Suhaila Sulimpour. Can you see what I mean and understand the difference in their moves as those compared to what is done is a strip club. I have no doubt that your dancing included these moves, but in order to strip dance to the pleasure and the 'demand' of the patrons, the owners and the industry, these dance moves had to be altered and were no longer what a Belly Dancer does.

Now for the record, Suhaila has really taken a 'step-down' in the dance. She's not remaining true to the Art. Her latest performance at Rakassah West (back in March) was not well-received. Oh! There are some others who have taken the Dance down to a level which is not true to the Art.

Check out this link: Go to the photo album labeled "Rakassah West", you'll see it close to the bottom.

http://new.photos.yahoo.com/christine_teh/album/576460762338278852

Mermaid, this is what I mean about there are those who have taken the real meaning from the art of Belly Dance and has given it a poor image.

These two girls literally had two 'Black Men' as a part of their act and they literally acted out having 'sex' on stage. And this is supposed to be a 'family event'. Suhaila Solimpour wasn't any better. She and her troupe came out in black bikini underwear...no joke. I'll try to find that picture as well. If that's what they do, fine. But not in a family oriented event. Children are there and it's not something that should have happened. I know you agree with this.

I apologise for every insult which was taken to heart towards you personally. You were never the target here.

Peace and blessings to you. And yes God is going to use you as His messenger. For one day, you're going to be moved to save the lives of women who are lost and don't know where else to go. You'll be there to lead the way. They will call you, "Lady Moses."

Look, everyone who has been on this board for a while kows I will get riled up and then in a few weeks I will defend who riled me in the first place.
No wonder my BF is always frusterated and confused by me.
I know there are dancers who cheapen the dance (that's the burlesque side), when I used belly dance in the club, it was because I wanted to do it, trust me it wasn't meant to entice, because that form is not as "flashy" and therefore not as exciting.
Or so we would think.
I have never failed to be surprised when I decided I wasn't gonna "strip" and just turned around to face the mirror and practiced belly dance and tuned the crowd out. When I got off stage, guys would start asking me where I studied or how they were hoping I was dancing tonight because they came in just to watch me(uhhh, yeah, thanks, cheapo ) because I would go off into those little "dance trances". Sometimes I wanted to watch my newer moves, sometimes I just wanted to center myself because it was a hectic night. Whatever. It wasn't for them.
I remember Callanetics. I never tried it but I should look into it again. What with the dancing, babies, sports and plain old genetics, my leg drags, sometimes I can't straighten up all the way and my knee will suddenly get a shot of pain that about takes me to the floor. (See, these would be the CONS I was talking about, lol! ).
Lady Moses. I've been called a lot of things, but never that.

 

[ladylibra_30]

You got that right!
When my gf and I busted her man, the other woman was 400lbs, had a light mustache, not too clean and using a walker erplexed . So i saw first hand looks arent always the key to man stepping out.

i am hollering and now i've fainted! please say that you are exaggerating!
well, damn, did he get her disability or something!?

 

[Browndilocks]

I don't mind it at all me and the hubby go together and have a great time He doesn't like to go without me. He actually hated going but since I suggested that we go out and try one (because I have never been to one before) we had a ball! This is our `little thing that we do and we both enjoy it. He said he used to go with his boys before he met me but he hated it because he said it was a tease... then his boys would want the VIP treatment and he hates the theory of having to pay for sex soo... hey it works for me lol

So what's so fun about it, how is it fun, and why? What do you do other than watch girls? That scenario seems so awkward to me. :Cow: