It's possible! 0" to SL in 1 year! (pic heavy)

[BrownieBrie]

Folks acting like she has a TWA and is claiming tailbone. She may be an inch or so from shoulder length depending on how you define the milestone. 6 pages of debate over relative anatomy and an inch of hair.

 

[JeterCrazed]

@Charla can you include yo' shoulders in the pics so I don't have to go borrowing some for you.

I can't do any situps tonight....

 

[loved]

Inspiration

Nice progress, OP. I'm considering letting go of the relaxer & I'd be happy to have your progress by this time next year.

 

[Tamrin]

I hear you (many people are fake about the thanks they give), but I don't like when people paint every1 trying to be encouraging as fake. For many it comes from a genuine place. I will agree that some people make fraudulent claims but that's not the case here... And if it is fraudulent, what is it to every1 else what she claims? There is no Hair Length Police on LHCF!!!! When I see some1 make a claim that I think is not quite there yet, I either move on, or say "good growth"---as many did here....what purpose does it serve to "check" somebody on their growth? All that dialogue about "twisting into a pretzel", is just yada yada to me----makes no point or any sense. I am just saying all the arguing serves no purpose. We are supposed to be encouraging each other. In an environment such as this, where so many people are struggling to get through their journey, the last thing we need is the Length Police checking for the right spot for the hair to land.....let people see the charts, examine themselves and claim what they want to claim. The rest is just negativity making the things people hear about this site true indeed. JMHO... No shade to you Lucie....just a lil rant....

No one is being length police and no one is throwing shade and "Keeping it real" is a joke. You don't even know me like that so don't go there. Yes people are struggling with their journey. However, I refuse to lie to another person because it is the "polite" thing to do. I would rather someone be honest and upfront with me then lie and compliment me on something they KNOW is not true. If a person tells me the truth, at least I would know better how to proceed with my journey. It was a simple statement and it is funny to me how people took it to a whole different level. "Hating, keeping it real, etc." All of that is still not going to change my mind. She is still not there yet. She is making progress but she is still NOT there yet. So call it what you will.

This thread reminds me of this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXoNE14U_zM

 

[SmileyNY]

Charla can you include yo' shoulders in the pics so I don't have to go borrowing some for you.

lmao!!!! This is just... I'm dead.








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[BillsBackerz67]

I know for myself and my goals I would not consider her length as SL. I have to be "full" (insert length here) in order to claim it. Im anal like that. According to this thread people would argue now that I am SL but until I get to the length Tyra Banks is in my attached pic I aint there yet. Tomato Tomoto.

 

[FearfullyMade]

Good for you

 

[Nonie]

@BillsBackerz67 how are you not at the same length as Tyra if your avi is the length you're talking about?

Your hair in your avi isn't even bone straight but has a wave in it and it's touching your body where Tyra's bone-straight hair is. So not sure why you think her hair is longer than yours in that pic. I am beginning to think hair-norexia is a real condition.

I am like you, Billsbackerz, in that I wait until there can be no doubt I am where I claim to be. But when we keep posting photos of people who wear their hair straight (like Tyra), we forget she's going for a blunt cut and it's necessary for her style for all the hair to fall to one length. This would not work for people with kinky hair who do not plan to wear it straight all the time or who want to keep all the strands the same length. And so the images that @Theresamonet posted earlier showing layers where the crown was at ear length and the nape at shoulder and said that they were not shoulder-length would be a good poster child for what not to call SL if we were all planning to wear hanging straight hair all falling to the same point. I'm not, and neither is OP. And because there will never be a time when all my hair falls to the same length, and without there being another way to measure length but the one that shows where falls at the back, we can't keep changing up the script and showing people's frontal view when the chart has always focused on where the hair falls at the back.

If Charla had done what most people do and just had her hair flat-ironed straight and smoothed back it'd have looked like the SL hair in this thread. Oh and before you all start saying that this link shows hair that reaches further down her back, I'd like to point out that when you raise your arms up, your shoulders and back move up a bit too, so of course the hair will appear to fall farther down your back. The hair at the crown of the OP whose thread I just linked to isn't reaching shoulders but no one questions her SL claim because all that LHCF has ever cared about is what we can see when we look at the hair from the back, when it is straight. The rest of the hair just blends in with the rest and we only pay attention to where the hair reaches when viewed from the back.

 

[reeko43]

I have seen several different descriptions for sl in this thread alone. Nothing seems consistent! How confusing I guess it is just best to do one of the following:

1. heed the one poster's advice and wait till you are 2 inches beyond a certain point to claim the length.

2. NEVER EVER post a picture on the forum claiming a specific length.

3. Just post your progress in your siggy but make no statement about it.

4. Post your picture and ask the forum in a poll to tell you what the length is.

5. Add photo convincing extensions and become one of the newest hair idols here

 

[BillsBackerz67]

Nonie I cut 10" of my hair off in June into a blunt above SL bob That avi is not how I currently wear my hair. I attached a pic (1st pic). And trust me I am far from having hair-norexiaWhen OP posted her pics even before Tamrin commented I didnt agree that she was shoulder length by my standards. However she's close. But my standards dont count and shouldnt matter anyway. Its not that serious. Her hair is still gorge none the less.

Oh and speaking of flat ironing. I think Charla's hair straightened would be about or close to the length of the second pic in the orange shirt which is about 1 year of growth for myself. yes the nape touches my shoulders but the front not so much. When I was that length I personally didnt consider myself SL.

 

[mizspecialk]

I wasn't the one that said it but to interject, yes some posters are fake. How many times do some of them come into this forum and THANK others to their hearts delight, making comments they KNOW they don't mean? Yet they make snarky remarks in other sections tombout they can't stand when posters raise up their bra straps, position their necks in certain ways or whatever other methods they use to create fraudulent length? So you're going to front like you've never seen this? Let there have been a Random Thought thread in Off Topic and someone would have alluded to the delusional poster as subtly as they could without Making Da Banned.

Thanks and agreement mean ish! And not for nothing, some posters are notorious for starting ish. The one who disagreed if you pay attention to her font is not that sorta person.

People can post all the diagrams they want. I can create one too and call SL the NEW BSL! Does that make it correct? What part of SHOULDER length does not indicate the hair should be COMFORTABLY touching the shoulder? Let me go and twist into a pretzel and force my poor strands to touch my bra-strap and claim BSL! Of course, I will use a diagram to indicate the truth.

CHURCH!!! I'm relatively new here and I noticed the insincere, passive agressive behavior almost immediately. There is A LOT of that on this forum. I call it being ''fakey nice''.

There are also a lot of posters on here who seriously overestimate the length of their hair. Maybe some members think they are helping these women out by cosigning on their delusional posts and telling them that their obviously neck or nape length hair is shoulder or collarbone length? Y'all are just setting them up for frustration and confusion later on. Folks are always complaining about how it is taking them soooo long to get from shoulder to armpit length. It's probably taking forever because their ''shoulder length'' hair was actually neck length.

 

[lilyofthenile]

Thanks, @KumakoXsd What I learned about my nape that might help is that it's fine textured whereas the rest of my hair is med and coarse. So since it's fine, I feel like it's prone to damage easier, so I try to do stuff that won't harm it like I no longer wear combs in my wigs, I don't cornrow my nape (I leave about the bottom 1" out), I seal it a little heavier than the rest of my hair, and when I do wear the occasional puff and putting on my long goody band, I made sure I don't let it rub against my nape as I'm inching it higher to form the puff. Doing all these things has preserved my nape. HTH!

Wow our hairs sound very similar!

The hair on my nape is very fine. I will follow the advice of sealing it heavier. I'm currently having it in braids and I find that to be quite helpful because I'm manipulating the hair a whole lot less. Thanks again =) Happy growing =)

 

[JeterCrazed]

I know for myself and my goals I would not consider her length as SL. I have to be "full" (insert length here) in order to claim it. Im anal like that. According to this thread people would argue now that I am SL but until I get to the length Tyra Banks is in my attached pic I aint there yet. Tomato Tomoto.

So what's collarbone length?

 

[DDTexlaxed]

Great job on retaining most of your growth! Keep up the great work! I think we can get side tracked on the length thing sometimes and forget the more important things. Your regimen is working great for you. You're inspiring others with your progress!

 

[chelleypie810]

Charla you shoulda stayed in the shoulder length challenge thread

 

[Platinum]

This thread is a hot mess.

Charla, congratulations on your progress!

 

[RarityFluttershy]

Charla can you include yo' shoulders in the pics so I don't have to go borrowing some for you.

Please Stop. Please Stop.

 

[Solitude]

So what's collarbone length?

JeterCrazed

This question was not directed at me, but the collarbone, or clavicle, is below the neck and above the shoulders blades. This is why I have never understood people saying bottom of neck, collar bone, and SL are the same. The difference may be several inches or only a couple, depending on your body.

It doesn't matter how many charts people make up, or how many shoulders a person draws onto someone's else's body. Your shoulders are below your collar. Your collar is below your neck.

 

[Beautytalk69]

Okay i have looked at all these diagrams..and I just can't! Like I said, if my nape is going to dictate if I'm whatever length..well I have been shoulder length for a long a$$ time. I'm not going to walk around saying I'm shoulder length when the crown of my head doesn't even reach the bottom of my ear. That's just me..carry on.

 

[LaidBak]

Oh. My. F-ing. God. Utterly ridiculous. 6 pages of arguing over SL? Diagrams? Charts? Photoshopping body parts onto the OP??? Wow...

Like I said before when somebody tried to check me on a length definition "Longer then it was last time I checked" is all that matters.

ETA: Great growth OP! Congrats on your progress.

 

[Je Ne Sais Quoi]

I can't believe I woke up to a thread of Charlas head attached to a different body. Somedays I REALLY love the lhcf lol.

 

[HanaKuroi]

I am just wondering why we don't just use a tape measure? This is how everything else in the world is measured. We use scales and rulers. IMHO it is much simpler to say I grew 5 inches and have a picture of your hair and a ruler. No more arguing.


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[Nonie]

@Nonie I cut 10" of my hair off in June into a blunt above SL bob That avi is not how I currently wear my hair. I attached a pic (1st pic). And trust me I am far from having hair-norexiaWhen OP posted her pics even before Tamrin commented I didnt agree that she was shoulder length by my standards. However she's close. But my standards dont count and shouldnt matter anyway. Its not that serious. Her hair is still gorge none the less.

Oh and speaking of flat ironing. I think Charla's hair straightened would be about or close to the length of the second pic in the orange shirt which is about 1 year of growth for myself. yes the nape touches my shoulders but the front not so much. When I was that length I personally didnt consider myself SL.

Aah... I'm with you now. Gotcha! And you may be right about her hair looking like the bob in the second pic. I also concur on everyone having different standards for themselves. My thinking about my own hair is like yours. However, if someone with a bob like you posted in the second photo were to stretch it out (not curl it under like that) and then turn her back so that we have no idea what the sides are doing and only saw the back and she called it SL, clearly by the chart's standards (not ours) it would be correct.

The idea of covering the shoulders is a new one or a personal one because first of all, to cover shoulders, the sides need to be the ones reaching down there, since the shoulders are to the side and not the back. Otherwise, the hair has to be long in the back so we can sweep it forward to "cover the shoulders".

Bottom line being, if someone announces that she's at SL, it should just matter if she's reached THE LINE. What *I* or anyone uses for own determination has no bearing on what is before us. Does the back reach the line has always been the way we all agreed that length should be. Some people with straight relaxed hair will even pull it down, and we don't hear anyone saying anything about that, when that is what can be viewed as reaching, esp if hair isn't wavy.

 

[Nonie]

I am just wondering why we don't just use a tape measure? This is how everything else in the world is measured. We use scales and rulers. IMHO it is much simpler to say I grew 5 inches and have a picture of your hair and a ruler. No more arguing.


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HanaKuroi LOL I agree if we are just sharing how much length we acquired in a certain time, then inches would be best. But in the past, the inches have been exaggerated too. I once showed 4-5 inches of growth and some were not convinced so I took a photo of my forehead and a tape measure against it so it could be used a reference to confirm that indeed I am holding out 5 inches.

I think @LaidBak's suggestion just to show before and after with the photos making sure to keep the heads the same size or having the same reference (be it same shirt or sitting on same chair) w/o any mention of what that is called is best. Because all people are doing is showing their progress. Not trying to fool people or impress or mislead. And if someone posts their pic with a lean back and you don't disagree, just KIM. Unless she asks "What length am I?" I think we can just give kudos and KIM. This is not a jab at those who didn't agree with OP, but a suggestion that I think would keep the peace.

 

[formysanity]

I won't comment on whether the OP is SL or not, but to me, these pics below are SL hair. I outside of LHCF, these pics would be considered SL. To be honest, I've never heard the term APL outside of LHCF. The white people I know, consider APL to be SL

IMO, to publicly claim SL one should have more than just the nape layer resting on their shoulders.

 

[nzeee]

I think @LaidBak's suggestion just to show before and after with the photos making sure to keep the heads the same size or having the same reference (be it same shirt or sitting on same chair) w/o any mention of what that is called is best. Because all people are doing is showing their progress. Not trying to fool people or impress or mislead. And if someone posts their pic with a lean back and you don't disagree, just KIM. Unless she asks "What length am I?" I think we can just give kudos and KIM. This is not a jab at those who didn't agree with OP, but a suggestion that I think would keep the peace.

^^ ITA: this thread is exactly that and brings so much awesomeness: http://www.longhaircareforum.com/showthread.php?t=239977

no length claims or arguments. just people showing their progress with before & (current) after pics in chronological order. eazy peazy.

not saying people can't claim whatever they want or need to bow down to dissenters; just agreeing that showing pics w/out making a claim appears to be a much less contentious way of showing progress. i know when i finally get comfortable w/ my length if i do start a thread that's the way it's going down. don't need you heffer's pulling out the charts and virtual tape measures

J/K don't stone me

 

[LaidBak]

^^ ITA: this thread is exactly that and brings so much awesomeness: http://www.longhaircareforum.com/showthread.php?t=239977

no length claims or arguments. just people showing their progress with before & (current) after pics in chronological order. eazy peazy.

not saying people can't claim whatever they want or need to bow down to dissenters; just agreeing that showing pics w/out making a claim appears to be a much less contentious way of showing progress. i know when i finally get comfortable w/ my length if i do start a thread that's the way it's going down. don't need you heffer's pulling out the charts and virtual tape measures

J/K don't stone me

LOVE THAT!!

 

[Nonie]

I won't comment on whether the OP is SL or not, but to me, these pics below are SL hair. I outside of LHCF, these pics would be considered SL. To be honest, I've never heard the term APL outside of LHCF. The white people I know, consider APL to be SL

@YaaAsantewaa, indeed this photo does show what the world at large calls SL. But what this photo doesn't do is follow what has been the norm on hair forums like LHCF, which is VIEW LENGTH FROM THE BACK against set milestones along the back. Granted the chart falls short because it doesn't address layers and it doesn't address hair that doesn't hang like straight hair does or hair that isn't cut blunt to fall to one length. But it's what we've used for years. So while out in the world, we can speak the tongue of the masses, as long as we're on LHCF, people can claim their lengths based on what the back does because that's how it has always been.

Of course anyone posting their length does so at his or her own risk and yes newbies or outsiders will give you the side-eye for even mentioning you are at omega length when your front is at alpha length. But that's because they don't speak or haven't learned LHCF-speak. I have been here since 2003 so I think I have some authority to translate the tongue of the land.

 

[formysanity]

@YaaAsantewaa, indeed this photo does show what the world at large calls SL. But what this photo doesn't do is follow what has been the norm on hair forums like LHCF, which is VIEW LENGTH FROM THE BACK against set milestones along the back. Granted the chart falls short because it doesn't address layers and it doesn't address hair that doesn't hang like straight hair does or hair that isn't cut blunt to fall to one length. But it's what we've used for years. So while out in the world, we can speak the tongue of the masses, as long as we're on LHCF, people can claim their lengths based on what the back does because that's how it has always been.

Of course anyone posting their length does so at his or her own risk and yes newbies or outsiders will give you the side-eye for even mentioning you are at omega length when your front is at alpha length. But that's because they don't speak or haven't learned LHCF-speak. I have been here since 2003 so I think I have some authority to translate the tongue of the land.

Nonie, I've lurked for long enough to see you dropping knowledge on peeps so I bow to you. I totally get that on LHCF OP would be considered SL but I think people who disagree with the OPs claim to SL are doing so because they are using real life terminology to describe SL hair rather than LHCF terminology. In fact my own hair is of that length, but to me, my hair is bottom of my neck length even though the nape stretches to my collar bone.

 

[allmundjoi]

Fyi the clavicle and scapula are at approx the same level/height, in fact the superior portion of the scapula (acromion) is higher than the clavicle. Ijs. Lol.