I was one of the people in the "how long is long" thread who stated that SL is long. I now completely understand why other posters were saying it is not. My understanding of SL is based on the actual shoulders, not the neck. Just because we "say" something is one way, it does not change what it actually is. I'm not at all surprised that people not only do not know where shoulders are located, they also do not want to let go of incorrect notions. It's human nature. We look for evidence to support what we already believe to be true, sometimes making it up as we go.
Nonie, I see that you mentioned me on the English lesson post. I have a BA English; however, etymology has nothing to do with where the shoulders are. The "plain meaning" supports the scientic definition. Plain language is not something I made up. It's a movement in writing and legal doctrines. I think the science ladies have already backed up everything I said.
As a sidenote, I don't get why people come into a thread just to say it's "a mess" or "extra." I have these types of analytical discussions every day, all of the time. I never really see what is so extra about them, as long as people aren't being insulted.
To the comments about "just congratulating progress," there are dozens of threads where people post progress pictures and the threads just fall off of the first page and die because other posters do not want to tell the OP that her hair is damaged with see-thru ends, etc. Here, the OP made a claim in the thread title that was sensational. That is why it sparked both a discussion... and a spin-off thread.
Nonie, I see that you mentioned me on the English lesson post. I have a BA English; however, etymology has nothing to do with where the shoulders are. The "plain meaning" supports the scientic definition. Plain language is not something I made up. It's a movement in writing and legal doctrines. I think the science ladies have already backed up everything I said.
As a sidenote, I don't get why people come into a thread just to say it's "a mess" or "extra." I have these types of analytical discussions every day, all of the time. I never really see what is so extra about them, as long as people aren't being insulted.
To the comments about "just congratulating progress," there are dozens of threads where people post progress pictures and the threads just fall off of the first page and die because other posters do not want to tell the OP that her hair is damaged with see-thru ends, etc. Here, the OP made a claim in the thread title that was sensational. That is why it sparked both a discussion... and a spin-off thread.
still doesn't change where the shoulders are though. 
I call my youngest dd "honeybun" but no matter how many times I call her "honeybun" it does not change her legal name or what's written on her birth certificate. What I call her versus what her name really is are two different things. I'm not too remissed to be cognizant of that fact. I sideeye anyone who says her name must be "honeybun" just because I call her that, they would indeed be wrong as hayle no matter how they tried to convince me they were right.
And, at this point we can respectfully disagree and call it a day. There have been a few others come into this thread & explain the very same thing to you & you have your mind made up to believe what you believe, so be it. You can lead a horse to water but ... I'm sure you know the rest. 
Girl, you got my stomach hurting over here. For real! You ain't seen all these dayum charts in here?? 
this thread proves that we all belong together in an insane asylum left with nothing but hair products, steamers and bone tooth combs. It's Tuesday y'all. Be great!
This discussion reminds me of the one where we discussing a simple Math problem and people in that field were spewing some crazy ish. Goes to show that just because someone wears a certain hat doesn't make them an expert in that field. Yeah, I said it.
. I thought it was a simple discussion, but some people are doing the absolute most 
