Lol Nonie, it really isnt all that complicated at all (or maybe im just used to palpation and estimating vertebrae levels myself). As for fat people chiros, do deal with a lot of obese patients but we just have to do a good estimation of where the levels are. The purpose of my explanation was for everyone to see
precisely where these levels are. You can easily look at someones back and figure out where T3 or T8 may be at (or at least I thought so).
Who doesnt know what an ilium is
Its the human body & I think everyone should be able to understand and know a few simple facts about their own selves.
Thing is, there are just so many inconsistencies with determining length, that I just believe using the dang skeleton is a more precise way since many people on this board are
always arguing about exactly where the location is (since these topics come up a few times each year). I say this because the skeleton majority of the time is consistent to everyone regardless of how tall or fat one is. AND because you can not dispute the skeleton.
Besides yall was bringing up pictures of skeletons and talking about clavicles and stuff so I figured it
may help someone out. I guess it didnt, oh well my bad I just really love anatomy since its apart of my field of learning
It helped me and I agree with what you said. Some are too busy worrying about nouns & adverbs to focus on reality though. *shrugs*
Sorry, I call this BS. Bone names have never had anything to do with body parts. So no, what we calls shoulders is what shoulders are. Who said that bone names determined body parts? Where on earth did you get this lie from?
The word "shoulder" came into the English language before the 12th century. It referred and has always referred to the top part of the torso that starts from the bottom of the neck to the part where the arm joins the torso. So what do you mean it's inaccurate?
The word scapula aka shoulder blade came into the English language in 1578 and refers to the trianglular bone in the back. The shoulder girdle is covered with flesh and skin and is that top surface after you've added flesh and skin that is SHOULDER. Not the bones.
I don't understand how come you are not able to separate science from everyday language. I mean, no one speaking in layman terms talks about tibia, femur etc. And you are wrong about there not being any other part of the body that has names that don't correspond with the bones. I just talked about hips and hipbone earlier. One's way higher than the other. I mean, if you're going to be so literal, then what's the funny bone? Is it near the funny? And is the collar bone up by the neck where the collar sits? And why do we have one breast bone when we have two breast and why isn't it inside the breasts? (Oh dear, it's in the wrong place!).
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I'm neither, but I also did anatomy and physiology and also took English and I know enough to know that the two fields should not be confused with each other. The only time a bone becomes important in this hair chart is when it's a bone that sticks out (like the collarbone which happens to be at the lowest level of shoulder so works as a check for "final point of SL"; and the shoulder blade because it too sticks out in the back at the point where BSL would be so works better since its position is constant; and the hipbone, because it too sticks out right after the waist) so you can feel it outside the skin. The other parts are obvious: waist goes in, hips go out, tailbone is at the top of butt crack, middle of back is halfway down the back, etc.
ummmm... no matter how you try to rearrange it for the sake of arguing, you can not relocate the shoulders on the body. I love a good debate, but when we start getting all sarcastic and stuff with each other, that's where it ends for me because you are obviously taking it waaaaaaaaaaaaaaayy too personal.
And, yes the SHOULDER is often misnamed because a lot of people don't know where it really is. So, if we are indeed being technical - shoulder length ain't where the majority of LHCF says it is. No matter how right you try to make yourself. But, you say you studied anatomy & english so what I'm explaining shouldn't be all that difficult for you to grasp.
the tibia & fibula (leg bones) are right there where you touch your leg.
the funny bone - no such thing.
I'll laugh on that one just for the sake of lightening the mood.
the hips are where the hip bone is - or should I say the pelvis? I mean if you wanna stay technical.
the breast bone is behind the breast (both breasts) and it connects with your sternum.
So i said all of that too say, whatever.
Let Nonie be right, obviously she shall not rest until she is. Where's the wand so you can wave your know it all fairy dust over LHCF land and be deemed the goddess of hair length??
You keep bringing up this "english language" mess, what the heck does have to do with human anatomy? No matter what language you use, you cannot alter it based on your own personal designations of a where it is in English versus where it really is in anatomy. Hunh? I mean, where they do dat at??
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I have no problems with you whatsover, but you cannot expect to cop this mocking/condescending attitude towards me and not expect to get it back.
wrong is wrong is wrong. I don't care how long you been on this board or how much you think you know or how many posters worship you because of your ability to post a chart.
Lawd, chile please. I try to be right with folks but please don't play me to the left.
A simple discussion is about to get this thread locked. I mean really, how much sense does that make? I'm saying my neck but I really meant my ankle. Or, I'm saying foot in English but I really mean my butt. That's about the dumbest thang I ever heard.
I can't speak for anyone else, but when I say my ear, I really mean my ear - In English, in Anatomy, sign language or any other method I communicate in. I don't say one part and mean something else cuz in English it's one thing and in science it's another.
erplexed But, maybe that's just me, so I'll leave it at that. No matter how you say it - it is what it is and you cannot change what it is just because your communication, comprehension, understanding or whatever is off.