Nonie
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@JeterCrazed
This question was not directed at me, but the collarbone, or clavicle, is below the neck and above the shoulders blades. This is why I have never understood people saying bottom of neck, collar bone, and SL are the same. The difference may be several inches or only a couple, depending on your body.
It doesn't matter how many charts people make up, or how many shoulders a person draws onto someone's else's body. Your shoulders are below your collar. Your collar is below your neck.
@JeterCrazed, @Solitude not in English: Collarbone is not above SHOULDERS. The names of bones have little to do with the names of body parts. As I posted previously, what in English we call shoulders is not where the bone with a similar name is located, and the same applies to hips and hipbone.
Also the image you selected is misleading because if you know anatomy, what's being shown here is the top of the shoulder blade (scapula) as viewed from anterior (front). The shoulder blade is a triangular bone that sticks out in the back on most people and it is its position on the back that led us to select it in lieu of BSL to determine the next level after APL because it is going to remain constant in everyone (unlike bras) and it is a good milestone between APL and MBL. The position of the bone does not mean shoulders now fall below APL because bones and body parts do not necessarily go hand in hand.
Here's an image showing the side view of a human skeleton:
Source of image: http://faculty.tcc.fl.edu/scma/aplab/Practical Two/Appendicular/Pectoralgirdle.htm
So what your image is pointing at where it says "scapula/shoulder girdle" is the arm of the scapula (shoulder-blade) known as the acromion that joins the clavicle (collarbone). But the bones themselves regardless of what name they are given have nothing to do with body parts.
When we refer to our shoulders, we are talking about the top part of our torso that is covered by flesh and skin and that we can see. No one is talking about bones when they refer to their shoulders. The noun refers to the body part shown below:
So if hair reaches that part, then it has reached shoulders. That the shoulders are wide and slant down so that the lowest part is at the level of the clavicle is the only reason many of use wait to get to the clavicle to claim SL because that is the final point at which one can be at shoulder length. It is for this reason we call it FULL SL, because beyond that, you are no longer at SL. From the point you leave NL until you reach your collarbone, you are indeed at your shoulders. Not at your SHOULDER BLADE but at your SHOULDERS.
ETA: These images show how the shoulder bone appears when viewed over flesh:
For our purposes here on LHCF, the next length after APL is when hair gets to and passes the lowest point of the shoulder blade, hence the BSB (below shoulder blade) mark that I show below--this image below BTW wasn't created for this discussion so ignore all the other stuff about MBL; I am using it just to show the area we now use in lieu of BSL:
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