Mitre
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New Topic: How to handle Emotional difficult people.
1.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEbxppDy9DM&list=PL34EAB295FBFBA701&index=5
2.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0ByxQRt-ro&list=PL34EAB295FBFBA701
MEDIUM CHILL
1.When they lash out - show no anger
2.When they are nice- don't reciprocate.
Be distant and flat in both cases. When they sense they can't manipulate your reaction, they tend to leave you alone. Tell them nothing, ask them nothing, and offer vacuous pleasantries. Medium chill gives no appearance of withdrawal, so they can't accuse you of giving them the cold shoulder. You are there, you're just not present to them.Medium chill is effective because they no longer feel "safe" in their ability to generate chaos. So now you're back in control. It takes a bit of practice, as you have to learn to disconnect from them emotionally. But I've had some great success using this. t's about more than just boundaries.
To put it in simpler terms, it's a two-parter with a specific attitude:
(1) never share personal or private information on yourself;
(2) never get involved in their problems/drama;
(attitude) pleasant, modest, implacably calm-- never showing anger or compassionate involvement; paying attention but not too much attention- while NEVER violating items one or two. Remember, a person can only use information they know about you to find your hot buttons and use it against you if they're highly manipulative (like so many BPDs are). So don't let them know your hot buttons.
Does your Border line Personality Disorder/Narcissist pick fights with you when something is wrong with him/her? Then by being a dull listener, they'll get bored and move on to someone they have a greater effect upon. I swear, it really does work.Are you unwittingly giving them the road map to figure out what you're sensitive about, so they can exploit those things later on to make YOU upset when THEY are upset but can't deal with those emotions on their own like a healthy adult?Are you offering advice or help with only the best of intentions? Well, if things go wrong, and they CAN'T blame themselves as part of BPD, who do you think they're going to blame? Are you just putting yourself in the line of eventual fire without realizing it?
If they're angry and they get you angry, then they can successfully transfer the emotions they can't cope with onto you (projection).
If they're angry and lashing out, they get relief from their inner turmoil by getting YOU upset. So don't ever show yourself getting upset. If they're upset and they can make you upset too, their goal has been achieved. I swear, as it worked for the other poster, it worked for me too-- my BPD mother rather quickly would see who was the most active listener and turn her energies there. I was no longer a means to an end; she no longer got relief from her inner pain by making me feel pain too. Of course, one of my physical boundaries was to not do a one-on-one meeting with her again in non-public places; this played very well into medium chill. There's always someone more unenlightened and more of a sucker than you that they target instead. It might be an unfortunate still-enmeshed family member; it might be the waiter. But the point is, it will NOT BE YOU.
Likewise, don't especially share their joys when they're on a high. If they come to view you as a confidente/soulmate, who do you think they're going to turn to when their rage is highest and they need to foist it off onto someone else?
It's all about disengaging from playing into the BPD dynamic. We often talk about boundaries around here, like only speaking once a week on the phone, or not staying overnight in their houses, or a host of other physical actions of restraint…"
Practice extinction burst
Because when you try to implement boundaries and take care of yourself you will most likely see an increase in bad behavior because the BPD sufferer isn't getting the response they expect. The fact that you aren't responding as expected leaves them confused and frustrated. You've changed the rules by not giving your typical response. Because you're not giving them what they want, they will increase their bad behavior to try to get the response they are used to. Things get worse before they get better. Why? Because someone who suffers from BPD needs to feel in control. They are used to dumping all of their negative emotions onto you. If you aren't there to take it from them, then they are left dealing with it themselves - not an easy thing for them to do.
To get you to re-engage with them, they will increase the bad behaviors. If they previously raised their voice, now they will yell. If yelling doesn't work, they will make threats. If threats don't work, they may use intimidation. They are increasing their anger out of sheer frustration, hoping to get you to back down and give them what they want.
The escalation of their tactics "is" the extinction burst...their last attempt at getting their way - it is their expression of frustration before they come to accept that you mean what you say.
If we are prepared going in ahead of time then we won't be surprised and we can stay strong enough to withstand the increase in pressure, knowing that it is them testing our resolve to not give in.
1.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEbxppDy9DM&list=PL34EAB295FBFBA701&index=5
2.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0ByxQRt-ro&list=PL34EAB295FBFBA701
MEDIUM CHILL
1.When they lash out - show no anger
2.When they are nice- don't reciprocate.
Be distant and flat in both cases. When they sense they can't manipulate your reaction, they tend to leave you alone. Tell them nothing, ask them nothing, and offer vacuous pleasantries. Medium chill gives no appearance of withdrawal, so they can't accuse you of giving them the cold shoulder. You are there, you're just not present to them.Medium chill is effective because they no longer feel "safe" in their ability to generate chaos. So now you're back in control. It takes a bit of practice, as you have to learn to disconnect from them emotionally. But I've had some great success using this. t's about more than just boundaries.
To put it in simpler terms, it's a two-parter with a specific attitude:
(1) never share personal or private information on yourself;
(2) never get involved in their problems/drama;
(attitude) pleasant, modest, implacably calm-- never showing anger or compassionate involvement; paying attention but not too much attention- while NEVER violating items one or two. Remember, a person can only use information they know about you to find your hot buttons and use it against you if they're highly manipulative (like so many BPDs are). So don't let them know your hot buttons.
Does your Border line Personality Disorder/Narcissist pick fights with you when something is wrong with him/her? Then by being a dull listener, they'll get bored and move on to someone they have a greater effect upon. I swear, it really does work.Are you unwittingly giving them the road map to figure out what you're sensitive about, so they can exploit those things later on to make YOU upset when THEY are upset but can't deal with those emotions on their own like a healthy adult?Are you offering advice or help with only the best of intentions? Well, if things go wrong, and they CAN'T blame themselves as part of BPD, who do you think they're going to blame? Are you just putting yourself in the line of eventual fire without realizing it?
If they're angry and they get you angry, then they can successfully transfer the emotions they can't cope with onto you (projection).
If they're angry and lashing out, they get relief from their inner turmoil by getting YOU upset. So don't ever show yourself getting upset. If they're upset and they can make you upset too, their goal has been achieved. I swear, as it worked for the other poster, it worked for me too-- my BPD mother rather quickly would see who was the most active listener and turn her energies there. I was no longer a means to an end; she no longer got relief from her inner pain by making me feel pain too. Of course, one of my physical boundaries was to not do a one-on-one meeting with her again in non-public places; this played very well into medium chill. There's always someone more unenlightened and more of a sucker than you that they target instead. It might be an unfortunate still-enmeshed family member; it might be the waiter. But the point is, it will NOT BE YOU.
Likewise, don't especially share their joys when they're on a high. If they come to view you as a confidente/soulmate, who do you think they're going to turn to when their rage is highest and they need to foist it off onto someone else?
It's all about disengaging from playing into the BPD dynamic. We often talk about boundaries around here, like only speaking once a week on the phone, or not staying overnight in their houses, or a host of other physical actions of restraint…"
Practice extinction burst
Because when you try to implement boundaries and take care of yourself you will most likely see an increase in bad behavior because the BPD sufferer isn't getting the response they expect. The fact that you aren't responding as expected leaves them confused and frustrated. You've changed the rules by not giving your typical response. Because you're not giving them what they want, they will increase their bad behavior to try to get the response they are used to. Things get worse before they get better. Why? Because someone who suffers from BPD needs to feel in control. They are used to dumping all of their negative emotions onto you. If you aren't there to take it from them, then they are left dealing with it themselves - not an easy thing for them to do.
To get you to re-engage with them, they will increase the bad behaviors. If they previously raised their voice, now they will yell. If yelling doesn't work, they will make threats. If threats don't work, they may use intimidation. They are increasing their anger out of sheer frustration, hoping to get you to back down and give them what they want.
The escalation of their tactics "is" the extinction burst...their last attempt at getting their way - it is their expression of frustration before they come to accept that you mean what you say.
If we are prepared going in ahead of time then we won't be surprised and we can stay strong enough to withstand the increase in pressure, knowing that it is them testing our resolve to not give in.
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