Waistlength and Beyond – Names + Regimens!

[that_1_grrrl]

Thanks so much for answering my question!

-That was my first time even hearing about thinning hair. I was so puzzled as to why anyone would want to do it. My friend had to break it down for me, lol.

I had no idea it had such a lasting effect on hair though. Thanks. Learn something new everyday.

Not for me, and getting your hair thinned is bad news in every way, I had a friend who did it, and her hair never cam back to it's original thickness. The only good reason would be to reducing bulk but you'll regret it when you gets older cause hair gets thinner in middle age and after menopause-I read that somewhere. So keep it full, that way you'll have a "normal" thickness later. it won't help with detangling issues. hth

I think it differs from hair to hair. My hair is very heavy, especially when wet. That's why I don't wear high ponytails anymore I can't wear a bun either if it's not very high or very low. Otherwise it pulls on my forehead/hairline. A low ponytail is no problem. Nowadays I also pull the ponytail holder downwards a little so that the front of the hair is not so tight.

I made the mistake of thinning my hair once. It took a year before my hair felt normal again. The thing is, the shorter the hair is, the more it curls so you'll end up with short super curly pieces and long wavy pieces that won't blend... Not nice!

My hair is fine so it's not heavy at all. I actually wish it had more weight. The only time I notice it's weight is when it's soaking wet.

that happened to me! i'm convinced. i went to a "non-ethnic" salon a few years ago because i had no idea how to tame my curls. my hair, when styled curly went east & west, like rosanna-dana-dana from SNL. it was horrible and i didn't know what to do with it. well, this woman and her products were always featured on a well known curly hair site and she's got great before and after pix. long story short, after a 2.5 hours wait (in which i should've gotten up and left) she proceeded to chop thru my hair wildly, like edward scissorhands. i came out with hair of all different lengths. it seemed a little mullet-ish. she "took the weight out of my hair" - which to me meant thinned it. my hair still doesn't seem like its back at its original thickness.

so just say NO to any thinning. (i'm also not a fan of razor cutting - same reason and its been known to damage cuticle.) just my opinion on the topic.

back to the WAISTLENGTH LADIES useful knowledge.

 

[Jaxhair]

Wow, I'm all caught up with the thread now and all I can say is WOW!!!!! I'm lost for words! I've learnt so much and between this and the albums and the shared regimens..... well, it may take time but I will get there! It's difficult thinking about it when all I have is 4.5-6 inches on my head but I give it till 2013 - I want to be at least MBL then.

Thanks ladies for sharing, you're all such an inspiration! Goes to show huh? A year ago I believed it was all about genetics and hair types. Seeing all sorts of textures at WL and beyond makes me believe my 4b/c (I believe I'm beyond 4b... maybe a 5a/b, but that doesn't exist, though I think it should...) can get there. And even more encouraging are those that say how their hair had never been beyond a certain length before and no family member has ever gone beyond a certain length. Well, by the grace of God, I'll be the first in my family with healthy hair past SL. It will be done!

Have a fab Sunday ladies!

 

[ElegantExotic]

How does that work, and how often do you have part of your hair slightly texturized? Is it harder to keep up with the diff textures on your haead or is it easier for the hot humid climate? TIA

Well when I used to wear the sew-ins, I used to slightly relax (texturize) the leave-out horse shoe, and front edges to blend with the weave (no longer than five minutes max with a mild relaxer).

But there isn't really a difference in the texturized and natural hair textures, because I have naturally different textures all over my head, so it all blends in. The texturized parts are not bone straight, just slightly looser and smoother, so it blends with some of the other natural sections of my head that are naturally looser and smoother. I also have a section that is coarse and more kinky (middle, right below crown).

And it is definitely easier. I wish I could texturize the kinky section as well, but at this point I really don't want to put anymore chemicals in any more sections than what's in now (that may change come summer humidity though, lol)

I do not do it often. It's usually when my hair has around 3 inches (estimating because I do not measure) of new growth that it becomes unbearable. The last time I texturized the roots of those front and middle sections of my hair was in December, and before that probably May 2008 (while I still had the weave in). I don't know when I'll do it again, I just go by when it becomes unmanageable in those areas.

Also, there hasn't been any adverse effects from doing this.

 

[Naturel]

This thread is inspiring. Thank U Flowerhair.

 

[wyldcurlz]

waistlengthers and butter users i need some help with two things.

1. i think the avocado butter is causing some build-up. i noticed during my washes that my hair wasn't shampooing very well it also wasn't absorbing conditioner as well. What do you do to combat build-up or do you not get it? (am i using too much??) others have recommended a strong clarifying shampoo - my question is, if you use butters frequently, how frequently are you clarifying?

2. Flowergirl and everyone else who wears their hair in a curly ponytail this question is mostly for you. i'm trying to wash it once a week and wear it in a curly pony the rest of the week. I'm having 2 problems doing this: 1. the hair at the crown, closer to the root seems to curl tighter so by mid-week its like these super tight ringlet coils that tangle together. second problem is the ends, they're not beautifully curled like (my idol) FlowerHair's, some strands hang straight, others are wavy, but the ends look like they're trying to find other strands to form evil pixy-knots (those single strand knots that lots of people have to cut to remove them cuz they're too small to un-tie.) so, now sure how to combat this.

FlowerHair - i remember you saying that when your hair was shoulder length that is when it was most difficult cuz it was touching clothing and constantly rubbing. did you mean shoulder length when curly or shoulder length when stretched straight? i'm mostly BSL (have a few layered shorter strands) when stretched straight, but i'm shoulder length when curly. having lots of shrinkage problems and too many curls in 1 spot - too few in the other. help!!

 

[yamilee21]

I haven't posted on this thread since I don't exactly have a regimen, but since wyldcurlz and I have similar hair, maybe I can help with her questions.

Wyldcurlz - is your curly ponytail a wash and go? When I was around your length, one of the things I used to do was a ponytail rollerset using sponge rollers. Usually I would do two ponytails, with the hair separated across the middle of my head from ear to ear. It was very fast to do (way faster than a regular rollerset with magnetic rollers and hairpins), and would usually dry overnight without heat. The curls lasted several days, and looked neater than with just a wash and go.

 

[wavezncurlz]

waistlengthers and butter users i need some help with two things.

1. i think the avocado butter is causing some build-up. i noticed during my washes that my hair wasn't shampooing very well it also wasn't absorbing conditioner as well. What do you do to combat build-up or do you not get it? (am i using too much??) others have recommended a strong clarifying shampoo - my question is, if you use butters frequently, how frequently are you clarifying?

2. Flowergirl and everyone else who wears their hair in a curly ponytail this question is mostly for you. i'm trying to wash it once a week and wear it in a curly pony the rest of the week. I'm having 2 problems doing this: 1. the hair at the crown, closer to the root seems to curl tighter so by mid-week its like these super tight ringlet coils that tangle together. second problem is the ends, they're not beautifully curled like (my idol) FlowerHair's, some strands hang straight, others are wavy, but the ends look like they're trying to find other strands to form evil pixy-knots (those single strand knots that lots of people have to cut to remove them cuz they're too small to un-tie.) so, now sure how to combat this.

FlowerHair - i remember you saying that when your hair was shoulder length that is when it was most difficult cuz it was touching clothing and constantly rubbing. did you mean shoulder length when curly or shoulder length when stretched straight? i'm mostly BSL (have a few layered shorter strands) when stretched straight, but i'm shoulder length when curly. having lots of shrinkage problems and too many curls in 1 spot - too few in the other. help!!

Hey wyldcurlz
I'm not wl but I think we have similar hair. I am an aspiring wl'er - now at mbl when straight. I have the same problem with the ponytails and I combat this by finger styling the ponytail with one strand twirls when it's wet with whatever product you use and letting it dry in those twirls (it looks odd when wet). By the time I'm at work, I lightly fluff them out. It ends up looking like this:
YIKES - sorry the picture is so big!

re: the butters -I hope I don't have buildup overtime too! I just started using the butters (avocado and sweet almond) and they make my hair so soft!!!

 

[Lucia]

waistlengthers and butter users i need some help with two things.

1. i think the avocado butter is causing some build-up. i noticed during my washes that my hair wasn't shampooing very well it also wasn't absorbing conditioner as well. What do you do to combat build-up or do you not get it? (am i using too much??) others have recommended a strong clarifying shampoo - my question is, if you use butters frequently, how frequently are you clarifying?

2. Flowergirl and everyone else who wears their hair in a curly ponytail this question is mostly for you. i'm trying to wash it once a week and wear it in a curly pony the rest of the week. I'm having 2 problems doing this: 1. the hair at the crown, closer to the root seems to curl tighter so by mid-week its like these super tight ringlet coils that tangle together. second problem is the ends, they're not beautifully curled like (my idol) FlowerHair's, some strands hang straight, others are wavy, but the ends look like they're trying to find other strands to form evil pixy-knots (those single strand knots that lots of people have to cut to remove them cuz they're too small to un-tie.) so, now sure how to combat this.

FlowerHair - i remember you saying that when your hair was shoulder length that is when it was most difficult cuz it was touching clothing and constantly rubbing. did you mean shoulder length when curly or shoulder length when stretched straight? i'm mostly BSL (have a few layered shorter strands) when stretched straight, but i'm shoulder length when curly. having lots of shrinkage problems and too many curls in 1 spot - too few in the other. help!!

I use butters all the time, luv coconut and avocado they're my favs. I don't get much build up b/c I clarify with 1/4 vinegar to 3/4 water every month or so. I also don't use shampoo I'm a co-wash only girl and I have hardly any build up at all and that's without clarifying.hth

 

[mscocoface]

You ladies are an incredible inspiration. I have the reggie down I am just waiting (sometimes patiently) for the length to come to fruition.


I hope that Sonce will come in here and post her reggie too one day?!?! I know she is in school right now and her fotki is locked but would love to hear from her discussing that cottony mass of wonderfulness she has grown to waistlength.

Keep passing on the knowledge ladies we are forever grateful.

 

[GoldenBreeze]

waistlengthers and butter users i need some help with two things.

1. i think the avocado butter is causing some build-up. i noticed during my washes that my hair wasn't shampooing very well it also wasn't absorbing conditioner as well. What do you do to combat build-up or do you not get it? (am i using too much??) others have recommended a strong clarifying shampoo - my question is, if you use butters frequently, how frequently are you clarifying?

2. Flowergirl and everyone else who wears their hair in a curly ponytail this question is mostly for you. i'm trying to wash it once a week and wear it in a curly pony the rest of the week. I'm having 2 problems doing this: 1. the hair at the crown, closer to the root seems to curl tighter so by mid-week its like these super tight ringlet coils that tangle together. second problem is the ends, they're not beautifully curled like (my idol) FlowerHair's, some strands hang straight, others are wavy, but the ends look like they're trying to find other strands to form evil pixy-knots (those single strand knots that lots of people have to cut to remove them cuz they're too small to un-tie.) so, now sure how to combat this.

FlowerHair - i remember you saying that when your hair was shoulder length that is when it was most difficult cuz it was touching clothing and constantly rubbing. did you mean shoulder length when curly or shoulder length when stretched straight? i'm mostly BSL (have a few layered shorter strands) when stretched straight, but i'm shoulder length when curly. having lots of shrinkage problems and too many curls in 1 spot - too few in the other. help!!

I use butters (alvocado, shea, mango), and I haven't had any trouble with buildup. For me, rinsing with warm water for a few minutes before I CO-wash seems to remove most of the oil and the conditioner removes the rest. Like lucia, I don't shampoo only co-wash. Sometimes when I feel I'm missing something by not clarifying, I'll use a clarifying conditioner or add 1tbsp of baking soda to a cup of my conditioner.

 

[hurricane]

I use butters (alvocado, shea, mango), and I haven't had any trouble with buildup. For me, rinsing with warm water for a few minutes before I CO-wash seems to remove most of the oil and the conditioner removes the rest. Like lucia, I don't shampoo only co-wash. Sometimes when I feel I'm missing something by not clarifying, I'll use a clarifying conditioner or add 1tbsp of baking soda to a cup of my conditioner.

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Thanks for the clarifying condish. tip. I am trying to get away from using shampoo.

 

[wyldcurlz]

my problem is bunched up curls at the base of the ponytail. its from all the hair that's gathered to make the ponytail. however, i can't figure out what's happening to that hair to make it do what its doing. also, it feels a bit dry deep within that section. i'm trying to copy FlowerHair's regimen somewhat - please check out this thread that i started, ladies...i hope you can help me with this problem. i need help!!!
http://www.longhaircareforum.com/showthread.php?p=7338663#post7338663

Hey wyldcurlz
I'm not wl but I think we have similar hair. I am an aspiring wl'er - now at mbl when straight. I have the same problem with the ponytails and I combat this by finger styling the ponytail with one strand twirls when it's wet with whatever product you use and letting it dry in those twirls (it looks odd when wet).

thanks!
your hair looks soo smooth and controlled - you're swirling strands around your finger? how do they stay twisted? feel free to pm me the details. my hair does NOT look like yours. picture a einstein with more hair. that's what i'm looking like!

I use butters all the time, luv coconut and avocado they're my favs. I don't get much build up b/c I clarify with 1/4 vinegar to 3/4 water every month or so. I also don't use shampoo I'm a co-wash only girl and I have hardly any build up at all and that's without clarifying.hth

i hope its not build-up that my hair can't take because i love the idea of avocado butter and so many of the heads of hair that i love -and mimick their regimens- like yours, use it successfully!

I use butters (alvocado, shea, mango), and I haven't had any trouble with buildup. For me, rinsing with warm water for a few minutes before I CO-wash seems to remove most of the oil and the conditioner removes the rest. Like lucia, I don't shampoo only co-wash. Sometimes when I feel I'm missing something by not clarifying, I'll use a clarifying conditioner or add 1tbsp of baking soda to a cup of my conditioner.

clarifying condish - why didn't i think about that before i spent $10 on a clarifying "treatment solution." what clarifying condish do you use?

 

[A856]

I use butters (alvocado, shea, mango), and I haven't had any trouble with buildup. For me, rinsing with warm water for a few minutes before I CO-wash seems to remove most of the oil and the conditioner removes the rest. Like lucia, I don't shampoo only co-wash. Sometimes when I feel I'm missing something by not clarifying, I'll use a clarifying conditioner or add 1tbsp of baking soda to a cup of my conditioner.

I've never heard of a clarifying conditioner..who makes this/what brand are you using?

 

[Lucia]

my problem is bunched up curls at the base of the ponytail. its from all the hair that's gathered to make the ponytail. however, i can't figure out what's happening to that hair to make it do what its doing. also, it feels a bit dry deep within that section. i'm trying to copy FlowerHair's regimen somewhat - please check out this thread that i started, ladies...i hope you can help me with this problem. i need help!!!
http://www.longhaircareforum.com/showthread.php?p=7338663#post7338663


thanks!
your hair looks soo smooth and controlled - you're swirling strands around your finger? how do they stay twisted? feel free to pm me the details. my hair does NOT look like yours. picture a einstein with more hair. that's what i'm looking like!



i hope its not build-up that my hair can't take because i love the idea of avocado butter and so many of the heads of hair that i love -and mimick their regimens- like yours, use it successfully!



clarifying condish - why didn't i think about that before i spent $10 on a clarifying "treatment solution." what clarifying condish do you use?

OH just wanted to add I use ACV and water for clarifying

 

[GoldenBreeze]

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Thanks for the clarifying condish. tip. I am trying to get away from using shampoo.

You're welcome

clarifying condish - why didn't i think about that before i spent $10 on a clarifying "treatment solution." what clarifying condish do you use?

I've never heard of a clarifying conditioner..who makes this/what brand are you using?

wyld, and A-Yannie, my favorite is Envia Nature's Salon Clarifying Cond. It's a Melaleuca product. Others that I have used:

Suave Daily Clarifying Cond (CC)
VO5 Kiwi Lime CC
VO5 Tea Thearpy CC
Avalon Organics Lemon CC

Alternately, you can use any condish that is for oily hair and add a little baking soda.

ETA: I like the Envia best, because it is super thick.

 

[hurricane]

You're welcome





wyld, and A-Yannie, my favorite is Envia Nature's Salon Clarifying Cond. It's a Melaleuca product. Others that I have used:

Suave Daily Clarifying Cond (CC)
VO5 Kiwi Lime CC
VO5 Tea Thearpy CC
Avalon Organics Lemon CC

Alternately, you can use any condish that is for oily hair and add a little baking soda.

ETA: I like the Envia best, because it is super thick.

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Girl I love melaluca but had to let it go. I didn't need products every month. They have great natural products.

 

[Ms Lala]

bumping, this is a great thread!

 

[SlantedEyezMiss2003]

bumping.......

 

[Miss*Tress]

Alternately, you can use any condish that is for oily hair and add a little baking soda.

Great tip! Thanks.

 

[Barbara]

You're welcome





wyld, and A-Yannie, my favorite is Envia Nature's Salon Clarifying Cond. It's a Melaleuca product. Others that I have used:

Suave Daily Clarifying Cond (CC)
VO5 Kiwi Lime CC
VO5 Tea Thearpy CC
Avalon Organics Lemon CC

Alternately, you can use any condish that is for oily hair and add a little baking soda.

ETA: I like the Envia best, because it is super thick.

This is my first time hearing about clarifying conditioner. Thanks for the tip!

 

[GoldenBreeze]

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Girl I love melaluca but had to let it go. I didn't need products every month. They have great natural products.

Yep, I love their products also! The only way that I can order each month is that if they make it, I use it, and don't buy anything in the store that I can get from them. Even my cell phone is through them. I also signed up a couple of people, and that helps.

Great tip! Thanks.

This is my first time hearing about clarifying conditioner. Thanks for the tip!

You're welcome Miss*T and Barbara. I don't use shampoo so I had to find a clarifying alternate. I use ACV at times, but it tends to be a little drying for my hair.

 

[2themax]

This thread is AWESOME!!! Thanks for posting it FlowerHair. Your hair and so many other ladies' hair on this thread looks wonderful!! I'm trying to get there:

March 1, 2009:

I'm now taking hair/skin/nail vitamins, drinking lots of water, in addition to biotin and msm AND they seem to be working. As you can see, I'm desperate Hopefully, some day I won't have to rely on so many things, but until then.......Thanks again.

 

[january noir]

This thread is wonderful! Thanks Flowerhair.

What would be helpful if the ladies posted their hair types, i.e. 3c, 4b, 2b, etc. so that we could pay attention to the regimens for our particular type.

 

[Oasis]

I've never wanted extra long hair but this thread is seriously making me reconsider my hair goals.

 

[thebraudgroup]

Great thread, thanks ladies!

 

[FlowerHair]

This thread is wonderful! Thanks Flowerhair.

What would be helpful if the ladies posted their hair types, i.e. 3c, 4b, 2b, etc. so that we could pay attention to the regimens for our particular type.

Thank you
I think my hair is 3b/c or something
It was definately curlier when it was shorter, but always in the 3's.

 

[FlowerHair]

waistlengthers and butter users i need some help with two things.

1. i think the avocado butter is causing some build-up. i noticed during my washes that my hair wasn't shampooing very well it also wasn't absorbing conditioner as well. What do you do to combat build-up or do you not get it? (am i using too much??) others have recommended a strong clarifying shampoo - my question is, if you use butters frequently, how frequently are you clarifying?
I only use the avocado butter after I have washed my hair, not daily. If I need moisture between washes, I'll just put some residual lotion on my hair after I moisturize my hands and arms in the morning I'll put the lotion mainly on the ends/lower half of the hair. I don't co-wash, I always use real shampoos so build up is not a huge problem for me. I wash my hair twice in the shower.

2. Flowergirl and everyone else who wears their hair in a curly ponytail this question is mostly for you. i'm trying to wash it once a week and wear it in a curly pony the rest of the week. I'm having 2 problems doing this: 1. the hair at the crown, closer to the root seems to curl tighter so by mid-week its like these super tight ringlet coils that tangle together. second problem is the ends, they're not beautifully curled like (my idol) FlowerHair's, some strands hang straight, others are wavy, but the ends look like they're trying to find other strands to form evil pixy-knots (those single strand knots that lots of people have to cut to remove them cuz they're too small to un-tie.) so, now sure how to combat this.
What I do is that I use the scarf method for the front of my hair in the morning when I'm getting ready - around 30-45 minutes. I wet the hair in the front, smooth it down, put some body lotion or whatever on it and smooth again and then a scarf.
If I notice that the curls in the "tail" are getting droopy or messy, I just wet my hands and scrunch the tail with the water. Not a lot, but just enough for my hair to form curls/coils again. It will take around 10-15 minutes for the curls to reappear.

FlowerHair - i remember you saying that when your hair was shoulder length that is when it was most difficult cuz it was touching clothing and constantly rubbing. did you mean shoulder length when curly or shoulder length when stretched straight? i'm mostly BSL (have a few layered shorter strands) when stretched straight, but i'm shoulder length when curly. having lots of shrinkage problems and too many curls in 1 spot - too few in the other. help!!
I meant around shoulder length curly, because I don't wear my hair straightened. That length in itself is really tricky because I hated when my hair bunched up and shrunk weirdly around my shoulders It's just one of those phases with curly and kinky hair... After that length it will be a breeze, I promise!!

My answers are in blue

 

[greenwings23]

Hi everyone
My regimen wash 2x weekly/DC/w/heated cap for 20 minutes/ prefer not using heat except I have been blow drying during the 5-6th month of my post relaxer stretches. I use Ayurvedic products shikikai powder & soap, brahmi,Alma powder, and oils, I alternate my shampoos with Aphogee hydrating/damage hair, avacor detox scalp shampoo. Their are my staples Dominican products sucg as Miel & leche rinse, silicon mix, and Apretadora conditioner.
current lenght:SL
short term: APL Dec 09'
long term: BSL/WL 2010

taken 1/09

 

[that_1_grrrl]

Since you have the picture as an attachment, could you please remove it from the body of your reply. It stretches out the whole page, making it hard for others to read. Thank you.

 

[GoldenBreeze]

Flowerhair, girl I thought I was the only one who used regular lotion on their hair!! My grandmother used to use baby lotion on my hair when I was little, and that has carried on throughout my life. My hair was always moisturized, and soft when I used it. I have been so nervous about ever mentioning it on the forum. Thank you for helping me to have the courage to out myself with that method of hair care {{hugs}}