Rant: Sex and the city

I think that's my story too. I was in my mid to late 20's when SITC was on. I also checked IMDB and the last season of Living Single was the first year of SITC so it was easy to hop into another single ladies show.

I was thinking about this comment after I somehow spent an hour watching Golden Girls clips on YouTube yesterday. It occurred to me that Golden Girls was the closest that you could get to SITC on network tv in the 80's. During that time you couldn't have had young or young-ish women playing talking like this on tv. Rose, Blanche, Dorothy and Sophia shuffled so Charlotte, Samantha, Carrie and Miranda could fly.

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I could watch Golden Girls day after day. Golden Girls for breakfast, lunch and dinner. I just love that show.

I resonated more with Girlfriends than Living Single, and that's likely because of when it was aired. I was still a child during Living Single days, lol. Girlfriends was right around when I was in college and post-college living in NYC and navigating the dating world.

Now SITC - it just didn't sit well with my spirit how they had random men and one-night-stands (except for Charlotte, lol). I never tried to replicate their behavior, but I did love Carrie's life lesson moments. I actually turned to SITC after a painful break up, watching the whole series from start to finish, and one of the quotes from their series literally changed the course of how I dated:

"Some people are settling down, some people are settling and some people refuse to settle for anything less than butterflies".

I definitely think it helped women like myself gain confidence in the dating world, help heal wounds from painful breakups, and help us appreciate that it wasn't always a woman's fault if a relationship didn't work out.
 
I think that's my story too. I was in my mid to late 20's when SITC was on. I also checked IMDB and the last season of Living Single was the first year of SITC so it was easy to hop into another single ladies show.

I was thinking about this comment after I somehow spent an hour watching Golden Girls clips on YouTube yesterday. It occurred to me that Golden Girls was the closest that you could get to SITC on network tv in the 80's. During that time you couldn't have had young or young-ish women playing talking like this on tv. Rose, Blanche, Dorothy and Sophia shuffled so Charlotte, Samantha, Carrie and Miranda could fly.

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I’ll be honest- I got my negro wake up call after college and lost all but one white gf and somehow I equate those characters with those girls and their crazy love lives and I was the tagalong black gf whose shoulder they would cry on- until they recognized that I was competition or ghosted once I was happily settled in my own relationship. I’ll give it a shot. It’s not like we don’t have nothing else to do for 2021 bc I know I shan’t be going anywhere. Might as well sit back and get comfortable.
 
I lived and breathed this show when it was on the air. I was in my twenties and though I wasn’t living in NYC, I was navigating the dating world and going through the same issues as them so the show really resonated with me. Interestingly, once the show ended, I have never gone back and watched it ever again. Surprising, since I loved it so much. I’ve watched the movies several times though.

I’m very excited for the reboot. It will be interesting how they handle it without Samantha being involved. I’m not expecting anything too deep from it, just a nice little catch up to see what the ladies are up to and of course, the killer clothes. Like 80% of the reason I’ll be watching is for the clothes.
I’m skeptical. I hope it’s just simply without her and they don’t add a new character. Will and grace came back and I liked it. But it obviously wasn’t the same. I won’t expect much so I won’t be disappointed
 
Well, it makes sense given the fact that I was brought up to believe that it's rude; like belching with your mouth wide open in someone's face is rude; like sneezing without covering your mouth is rude; like spitting on the ground is rude. My husband knows that I'm human just like I know he's human, but we're happy not sharing that aspect of humanity with each other. I'm not "comfy" with people farting around me and I don't feel like I need to be that comfortable around anybody. As far as strangers are concerned, why would I treat them better than my husband? I think I owe him more common courtesy than people I don't know.
True. I guess different strokes for different folks. I find those things rude as well, so I understand where you’re coming from
 
I could watch Golden Girls day after day. Golden Girls for breakfast, lunch and dinner. I just love that show.

I resonated more with Girlfriends than Living Single, and that's likely because of when it was aired. I was still a child during Living Single days, lol. Girlfriends was right around when I was in college and post-college living in NYC and navigating the dating world.

Now SITC - it just didn't sit well with my spirit how they had random men and one-night-stands (except for Charlotte, lol). I never tried to replicate their behavior, but I did love Carrie's life lesson moments. I actually turned to SITC after a painful break up, watching the whole series from start to finish, and one of the quotes from their series literally changed the course of how I dated:

"Some people are settling down, some people are settling and some people refuse to settle for anything less than butterflies".

I definitely think it helped women like myself gain confidence in the dating world, help heal wounds from painful breakups, and help us appreciate that it wasn't always a woman's fault if a relationship didn't work out.
EXACTLY. My dating life changing quote was “Maybe some women aren't meant to be tamed. Maybe they just need to run free until they find someone just as wild to run with them.”

I kept dating men who wanted me to be something I wasn’t. They wanted a traditional life. I wanted to live in a converted bus and travel. I wanted to back pack Europe. I wanted to live in Bali, Costa Rica, Australia, and New Zealand. So I finally found a guy who wants all those things too!! We will actually be building our converted bus (aka skoolie) by this time next year!!
 
I’ll be honest- I got my negro wake up call after college and lost all but one white gf and somehow I equate those characters with those girls and their crazy love lives and I was the tagalong black gf whose shoulder they would cry on- until they recognized that I was competition or ghosted once I was happily settled in my own relationship. I’ll give it a shot. It’s not like we don’t have nothing else to do for 2021 bc I know I shan’t be going anywhere. Might as well sit back and get comfortable.
What’s funny is all my best friends growing up we’re always black women like me. And all the rest of my friends were white. But I always kept a black female friend. For some odd reason I couldn’t get close to a white woman. My boyfriends white, I don’t have that issue with men. But my close female friends can’t be white. They have this mask up that never seems to come off unless they are having a mental breakdown about something small...
 
EXACTLY. My dating life changing quote was “Maybe some women aren't meant to be tamed. Maybe they just need to run free until they find someone just as wild to run with them.”

I kept dating men who wanted me to be something I wasn’t. They wanted a traditional life. I wanted to live in a converted bus and travel. I wanted to back pack Europe. I wanted to live in Bali, Costa Rica, Australia, and New Zealand. So I finally found a guy who wants all those things too!! We will actually be building our converted bus (aka skoolie) by this time next year!!
Just curious. Why a converted bus? Why not an RV?
 
What’s funny is all my best friends growing up we’re always black women like me. And all the rest of my friends were white. But I always kept a black female friend. For some odd reason I couldn’t get close to a white woman. My boyfriends white, I don’t have that issue with men. But my close female friends can’t be white. They have this mask up that never seems to come off unless they are having a mental breakdown about something small...
My closest gfs have always been black and trust they had their dating drama going on in college too but we’re all still friends (except my childhood friend that I simply outgrew- our paths were headed in different directions) I started making some white girlfriends just bc of the circumstances. You are right about that mask...
 
I’m very excited for the reboot. It will be interesting how they handle it without Samantha being involved. I’m not expecting anything too deep from it, just a nice little catch up to see what the ladies are up to and of course, the killer clothes. Like 80% of the reason I’ll be watching is for the clothes.

In my heart of hearts, I really hope that her character gets back with Smith (if he even wants her back). He really put up with alot from her, but I feel that if she really calmed down and wanted commitment, that they were really soulmates.
 
I used to watch sex and the city religiously! One reason was because I had just moved to New York for college, and that show was sort of like a tour guide for me. But yeah the show did not age well. What annoyed me the most was Carrie finally got Big to settle down and be with her, and she was bored with him in the second film! Miranda should have just been a lesbian in the show, I felt bad for Steve because she was awful to him. I respect Samantha just being herself, but yeah she def had commitment issues.

My favorite was Charlotte because at least she found growth by letting go of the idea of a perfect man and chose a man who truly loved her.

Now Girlfriends was also a show that didn’t age well. Toni was a materialistic , Joan was the biggest desperate and crazy mess, Maya was a mess for constantly chasing after her emotionally abusive ex husband. Even the scene where he leaves his fiancé at the alter to run off with his ex wife was disgusting to me. I think Maya was the worst to me because when she finally had success , she became bougie even dragging Lynn for filth at every chance just because she didn’t respect her. And since Lynn is my fave i

The only one who had real growth and I absolutely loved was Lynn. Sure she was a mooch and that was annoying, but eventually she did work her butt off to make it and she did.

I’ve never really gotten into living single. My sister used to watch it and I would kind of watch with her, but I was way too young to understand what was happening. Maybe I should revisit it as an adult.
I couldn't stand Darnell!!!
 
I loved SATC! I started watching again recently bc they show it on TV and it's fun, but the unedited versions are better.

Honestly, the show has aged fine to me, if you realized they were a mess back then. Big was always a mess, he was just sold as a prize.


In my heart of hearts, I really hope that her character gets back with Smith (if he even wants her back). He really put up with alot from her, but I feel that if she really calmed down and wanted commitment, that they were really soulmates.

Same! I hated the reason they broke up in the first movie.

Also, re farting... my parents fart freely but I don't. I don't fart around my family, don't fart around my so's, and I'm not interested in them farting around me.
 
SATC, Girlfriends and Living Single all have their own gems. I liked the toxicity of Big, because it’s real! i can go on LSA and find 50 threads with women entangled with Bigs.

Mini rant: each one of the gold digger girls (Charlotte, Tony and Regine) on these shows were somehow forced to humble themselves.. but i hated that Régine ended up with Jamaican broke guy.
 
SATC, Girlfriends and Living Single all have their own gems. I liked the toxicity of Big, because it’s real! i can go on LSA and find 50 threads with women entangled with Bigs.

Mini rant: each one of the gold digger girls (Charlotte, Tony and Regine) on these shows were somehow forced to humble themselves.. but i hated that Régine ended up with Jamaican broke guy.

What? Who, Russell? I thought that Regine ended up with that tech millionaire. Girl, you know that Regine wasn't ending up broke.
 
I need to revisit Living Single. I can't remember how that show ended yet I remember Whitley leaving old boy at the alter in A Different World like it was yesterday. I know that wasn't the very end but it's what I remember most.

I think I'm going to revisit Living Single and Half & Half. I loved HH and I think it's on Netflix now.
 
I need to revisit Living Single. I can't remember how that show ended yet I remember Whitley leaving old boy at the alter in A Different World like it was yesterday. I know that wasn't the very end but it's what I remember most.

I think I'm going to revisit Living Single and Half & Half. I loved HH and I think it's on Netflix now.

I'd watch Half & Half again just for the fashion. Loved ALL of Essence Atkins' outfits.
 
Im reminded of those relationships/marriages where people are doing #2 or even peeing while their partner is brushing their teeth. I find that so disgusting, I dont even like seeing it in movies or shows. Close the damn door.

I never got the universal appeal of this show bc I could never identify with a bunch of white women and their love lives.

Did you feel the same way about Golden Girls?

Anyway I loved them all, GG, LS, SITC, Girlfriends, however out of all of them Girlfriend aged he worst to me.

Im still trying to understand how Golden Girls from the 1980s dealt with their AIDs episode 100% better than Girlfriends did decades later. Embarrassing.
 
I loved SATC! I started watching again recently bc they show it on TV and it's fun, but the unedited versions are better.

Honestly, the show has aged fine to me, if you realized they were a mess back then. Big was always a mess, he was just sold as a prize.

The bold is where I'm at. Back then I would have been in my early to mid-20s and I remember my friend and I talking about how she was Carrie because she was dating Big. She wasn't proud of it either because we saw how toxic Carrie and Big's relationship was and she knew that she shouldn't have been in the relationship that she was in. I also think that she treated Aidan like dirt, but I'm glad that he didn't end up getting caught in her foolishness permanently by marrying her.

As we got closer to the ladies age, then eventually passed it, their shenanigans were so ridiculously over the top. But I think that comes with any show set in NYC. How the heck do any of these people have money to do what their doing? (i.e. S&TC, Friends, etc.)

I loved the fashion as well, but I'm not going to pretend that the bird on Carrie's head for the wedding was cute. I hope that the fashion won't be that ridiculous for the reboot.
 
Im reminded of those relationships/marriages where people are doing #2 or even peeing while their partner is brushing their teeth. I find that so disgusting, I dont even like seeing it in movies or shows. Close the damn door.



Did you feel the same way about Golden Girls?

Anyway I loved them all, GG, LS, SITC, Girlfriends, however out of all of them Girlfriend aged he worst to me.

Im still trying to understand how Golden Girls from the 1980s dealt with their AIDs episode 100% better than Girlfriends did decades later. Embarrassing.
I explained earlier how I pre-judged the series bc they gave off vibes from the white gf I met in college that dissolved over superficial mess. I’ll give them a chance. Golden Girls never had that vibe bc they were so... old and cute. :lol: That show was age appropriate for anyone. Right now Servant has my full attention. :look:
 
Why y'all always talk about tv characters as if you would spend more than five minutes watching people behave in completely moral, rational ways? Stop it. It's entertainment not a template. LOL!!
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Tv/Film, all writing is made for drama or heightened conflict. Without it, you can't watch. In script development, I work on upping the stakes as a producer and as a writer. Even as a documentary producer, we look for ways in editing to make sure the story has an arch (not pushing anything but you can't just show paint drying). So no show is going to show just content characters living their content lives whether drama or comedy.There always has to be something to come in and mess things up and mush it about :lol: . As you mention there is no way you'd watch (listen or even read a book) if everyone was behaving in completely vanilla ways. You need some scoundrel to enter the picture or someone who is fallible to completely keep shooting themselves in the foot, etc.

And let's face it Hbo pushes boundaries, has always. Even shows like Euphoria are claiming that's teens everywhere. I remember when kids came out (the film "kids") they were like this is life for everyday kids and I was like nuh uh speak for yourself. I was a tween when it came out. When I was allowed to watch it some years later, I was like what? No. And don't get me wrong, there were definitely things happening here and there but not overall. Films and tv shows, the pr people try to spin it as "this is life" so that you watch.

For sex and the City it was a bunch of ww. A show invented by a lonely society driven white, observing others, basically a lady without friends in real life (where are the real versions? they only identify her for one reason), and two gay dudes (one Executive and Producer) who developed the show. All that sex stuff came from the lead writer/producer (gay guys), and their slanted point of view. Yes they had women writers in the writers room but they are relegated to go with the story line that the lead comes up with and add flourishes to that. So you had a bunch of WW painted by White Gay men. And women are modeling themselves after this concept?

Think about it dating like a man was always encouraged. We aren't men. That's insulting. I don't have to do anything like a guy. I have to just be me. They were like Samantha dates like a man. It's so liberating. Why can't she just be her? So anyways, they made everyone into a specific character /archetype and honed it. If you watch it with that in mind, you appreciate the show. And I do when it's on reruns. But I don't take it serious. I remember people actually looking for friends like sex and the city style or saying who are you a Samantha, Carrie, Miranda or a Charlotte, and I'm like I'm a luckiest :rofl: . These women aren't real. And they aren't even archetypes of real white women. They were much more interesting than any of my white roommates in college :rofl: .

Samantha:
And getting back to Samantha, I always think it's funny that everyone says how she was emotionally detached but here she goes demanding that Richard commit to her, while telling Smith Jerod she loves him but she loves herself more. Nah, she was just as complex as others. I think that's where some of the women writers got in the mix in the writer's room. Because even though it's being developed from the gay men's producer/head writer's mind,. the other writers have to then fill in the gaps. Some people/ women live think one way but do the complete opposite in others : So with the one, he needs to be like this but another guy who is not the one will never measure up so the standards change for him. Samantha was really no different in that way. She may have commitment issues but they darn sure whipped into shape when Richard rolled up. She wanted to lock him down and only fled when she realized it would be exhausting (constantly checking on him) because she knew she couldn't :lol: .


Common annoying theme:
Okay I realize it's sex and the city but do you realize that anytime someone waited for sex, they were penalized? If you take that seriously you're going to think you have to be as free sexually as the others and waiting is a bad thing or makes you uptight versus doing what you want to do personally. Hence why taking a show at face value can suck. For instance:
  • Charlotte waited for Trey and got a limp noodle upon attempt at lift off after marriage.
  • Samantha and that dude that she supposedly loved at the beginning of the show (saw reruns), waited to have sex with him only to find out he had a "gerkin" (remember that because the reference was :giggle: ) . She confessed when he wanted to go to counseling and she realized this would be her life and she said she just needed a big one and he said maybe she was just too big. :lol:
Another annoying theme is how these women are supposed to be so independent but in the end in the tv show and movies it was like the Taming of the Shrew (if you don't know that reference think Shakespeare and an unruly lady and a man finally taming her in the end). For all Carrie's talk about "Some women are born to run wild" let's look at some examples
  • Charlotte was reduced to telling Harry she would love to be with him married or not if only he'd date her. Then he's like okay now that you've learned your lesson little lady, I'm going to marry you. Keep in mind he's a nice guy but he had some flaws. She was like look at you and look at me. Sorry dude. She had her ish together and was cute, sweet, well meaning...meanwhile he was just doing him. Meanwhile she's hopping and skipping, and twisting into a bunch of positions without any promises from this dude other than, "If only you were Jewish". And I know she was looking for perfect but she dropped that with him. People evolve. Dude had her converting. The she coverts to Judaism for Harry and dude can't turn off the tv while she cooks a full elaborate meal for the Holidays. I understand the game's on but he's going to leave her because she loses it and asks him to set a date. DUDE should've asked long ago. I don't care if he bought a ring. And so she's left sobbing to him in a room of Jewish singles about how she would be honored if he'd just breathe in her direction.
  • Samantha changes everything for steve except her bad attitude lol. She twists into so many pretzels it isn't even worth it to go into.
  • Carrie marries in city hall and let's face it that is not what she wanted. And this is after dude has the nerve to be scared after all the crap he put her through and not go to their regularly planned wedding. He criticizes her when it's in the New York Times because he's been married three times when she's never been married. So she's supposed to not be excited about announcing her wedding because he's embarrassed for choosing to marry three times? And let's face it one of them was on her watch, he chose someone else over her. Even when some say she was bored in the next movie, no not really she was upset that he was no longer interested in her in the same way. She got even more upset when he wanted to keep the separate spaces like yay! which sent her running to aiden and back to telling him because that way she could create some drama, show him she still has others who like her, and send him in a tailspin. Of course he came back with a ring to show her how to be properly married, which she happily accepted.
  • Samantha, okay in the end she left Jerad but let dude roll back into her life promising fidelity and all that Samantha facade would fall away for Richard. She'd be a settled married wifey.

Eh there are more but this is off the top of my head. The show is just for guilty fun when you're bored on rerun not to take their lives seriously. I don't want to go into other dynamics because it would become a novel. I'm always analyzing shows lately because I'm working on writing something so it's fun to break things down.
 
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I was thinking about the book and other books that Candice Bushnell wrote. These NYC people that she writes about -- men and women -- are a hot mess. There are absolutely no redeeming qualities about them. I started reading her books after the S&TC TV series was over. I would love for her to write something again to see if and how her perspective of NY high society has changed, but that toxicity that OP mentions is at the crux of every character. My memory is hazy, but I don't think that she writes with the intention of resolving any issues. The stories just kind of...end.

S&TC in the first season was closer to the book, except it had more "sex" and less "city" (drugs). A lot less city.

Not to derail the thread, but I feel like Emily in Paris, is a modern day attempt of this show.
 
I remember thinking golden girls was funny when I saw it as a kid but it wasn't a show I ever wanted to watch because it was all about old people. I think I'll try it now. It must be good for so many people to still love it.

Unlike SITC, Golden Girls has aged well. The themes are still as relevant today as they were in the 80's and the characters were adorable (yes, even Dorothy). :laugh:

Samantha:
And getting back to Samantha, I always think it's funny that everyone says how she was emotionally detached but here she goes demanding that Richard commit to her, while telling Smith Jerod she loves him but she loves herself more. Nah, she was just as complex as others. I think that's where some of the women writers got in the mix in the writer's room. Because even though it's being developed from the gay men's producer/head writer's mind,. the other writers have to then fill in the gaps. Some people/ women live think one way but do the complete opposite in others : So with the one, he needs to be like this but another guy who is not the one will never measure up so the standards change for him. Samantha was really no different in that way. She may have commitment issues but they darn sure whipped into shape when Richard rolled up. She wanted to lock him down on only fleed when she realize it would be exhausting because she knew she couldn't :lol: .

  • Samantha, okay in the end she left Jerad but let dude roll back into her life promising fidelity and all that Samantha facade would fall away for Richard. She'd be a settled married wifey. For some reason, I agree with this 110%. Richard was the one she could never shake.

Eh there are more but this is off the top of my head. The show is just for guilty fun when you're bored on rerun not to take their lives seriously. I don't want to go into other dynamics because it would become a novel. I'm always analyzing shows lately because I'm working on writing something so it's fun to break things down.

No, please do. It's interesting seeing the breakdown from someone who actually works in television and film.
 
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Unlike SITC, Golden Girls has aged well. The themes are still as relevant today as they were in the 80's and the characters were adorable (yes, even Dorothy). :laugh:



No, please do. It's interesting seeing the breakdown from someone who actually works in television and film.
I love golden girls but they are the outdated grandma who means well on some issues :giggle: :single moms, LGBTQ
and on and on. They seem like they were ahead of their times but idk at the time. They are still super fun to watch now.
 
I loved SATC! I started watching again recently bc they show it on TV and it's fun, but the unedited versions are better.

Honestly, the show has aged fine to me, if you realized they were a mess back then. Big was always a mess, he was just sold as a prize.

Exactly. He was always trash. I know Im alone and I will repeat it again, the Russian was the best one for Carrie. People thought him "saving" her in Paris was some lovely ending and it was pie in the face when he pulled what he did at City Hall.

Only seen the first movie, refuse to watch the others. As far as the reboot, Im not sure I will. Im fine with the re-runs.

@luckiestdestiny I agree regarding Charlotte and Harry. The nonsense he had her go thru just to be on some "now that youve embarrassed yourself on my behalf, I had the ring all along" nonsense. Whatever. The thing with her and Tey reminded me of Nollywood and some Tyler Perry movies. Terry was "handsome" successful but he just had to have the worst issue meanwhile sweaty ish Michelin man Harry is the her "soul mate" because the moral of the story is for women "looks should never matter" :rolleyes:
 
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