Paging the Hennaphilic Gals...

[HennaJoy]

Re: Paging the Hennaphilic Gals...HENNA JOY

Hi BrightEyes,

That "I Love Lucy" hair is one of henna's little surprises one can run into depending upon your hair color. Natural henna only gives you the option of reds. But there are a range of reds that can be obtained from different hennas. The Iranian "Persian Red" henna powders will give you a deep dark red coloring that some people like. The Moroccan Henna powders provide deep dark red coloring as well. But not as deeply red as the Iranian. Some of the other henna powders can provide more red-orange hair coloring that extend to a orangey sort of Bozo the clown coloring on light hair. So the selection of the right natural henna powder is also important in order get the desired coloring.

Other alternatives for obtaining color and conditioning are the herbal/henna hair colors. They provide the opportunity to have the henna conditioning while widening the range of colors available to you. When looking for colors outside of the red range and into the browns, blacks, blondes...one is better off with the herbal/henna hair colors.

And lack of color is certainly an option with the neutral henna.

HennaJoy

 

[sweetcocoa]

Re: Paging the Hennaphilic Gals...HENNA JOY

Well, this is my review so far...
I can definetly tell my hair is shinier and my curls are less frizzy. I can't really tell if they are looser, but won't know for sure until I do it again...I am definiely gonna get the pure natural henna instead of using the Hennlucent and leave it in longer(I only did 4 hours yesterday, cause I got tired). I can't wait till Friday(I'm gonna leave it in overnight to get 8 hours).
My hair feels much stronger today. It could be I just needed a good protein treatment...but the henna is definitely a keeper... /images/graemlins/smile.gif

 

[hada]

Re: SPECIAL HENNA TIPS MOISTURE - LONG

Hey Mahalialee,

You hair sounds so cool! My hair can do it spiral thing too. Once it starts to get longer the curls will begin to stretch out again. Right now at this length the curls sort have this, sit up and sprout over kind of thing, it is a bob now and is now trying to touch my shoulders, good growth from and ear length bob (when straightened). You have pretty much described the curls I have at the back of my head from the ear level on down. The tightest part is always the crown. Henna can bring it out more making is softer. I always apply the henna there first. /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

hada

 

[BrightEyes]

Re: Paging the Hennaphilic Gals...HENNA JOY

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HennaJoy said:
Hi BrightEyes,

That "I Love Lucy" hair is one of henna's little surprises one can run into depending upon your hair color. Natural henna only gives you the option of reds. But there are a range of reds that can be obtained from different hennas. The Iranian "Persian Red" henna powders will give you a deep dark red coloring that some people like. The Moroccan Henna powders provide deep dark red coloring as well. But not as deeply red as the Iranian. Some of the other henna powders can provide more red-orange hair coloring that extend to a orangey sort of Bozo the clown coloring on light hair. So the selection of the right natural henna powder is also important in order get the desired coloring.

Other alternatives for obtaining color and conditioning are the herbal/henna hair colors. They provide the opportunity to have the henna conditioning while widening the range of colors available to you. When looking for colors outside of the red range and into the browns, blacks, blondes...one is better off with the herbal/henna hair colors.

And lack of color is certainly an option with the neutral henna.

HennaJoy



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Well, the issue was that my hair is red enough. I didn't want any color at all, but the bottle just said you might get highlights. I wasn't too crazy about that, but this is before I read about neutral henna. So, stupid me, I tried it.

I will only use neutral from now on.

 

[BlkMane]

Re: Paging the Hennaphilic Gals...HENNA JOY

Wow, what an informative thread. Now, I want to try this lotus powder as I attempt to transition.

Regarding the discussion about sulphur (sulfur), MSM, and Cysteine...
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Conditioners and permanents ("perms") add sulfur to hair, while straighteners remove sulfur.

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That quote is from the article CurlyCrly posted above.

If straighteners REMOVE sulfur from the hair, maybe that is the cause of "scab hair." As you transition, your hair gets softer because the levels of sulfur in your hair increase.

Just an observation.

 

[CurlyCrly]

Re: Paging the Hennaphilic Gals...HENNA JOY

Good point and it sounds good to me!

 

[iris]

Re: Paging the Hennaphilic Gals...HENNA JOY

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BlkMane said:
If straighteners REMOVE sulfur from the hair, maybe that is the cause of "scab hair." As you transition, your hair gets softer because the levels of sulfur in your hair increase.

Just an observation.


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That's a great observation and I agree with you

It makes so much sense that a product that is used to strip sulphur, which is a softening nutrient from the hair, will make the hair hard.

Hennalucent Call
I called the Ardell Company yesterday which makes the Hennalucent product. It is located in Los Angeles, and I spoke to a very nice customer service rep. named Kim. When I asked her was hennalucent 100% Henna, she insisted that it was. She relayed that Ardell already has a 100% henna product called "Egyptian Henna", which also contains metallic salts and went on to explain that metallic salts would damage a person's hair if they already had or are planning to have a chemical service applied to the hair. Kim explained that customers wanted a henna product with no metallic salts and that would be compatible with all chemical services. This is why Ardell created the Hennalucent line.

I stressed the fact that 100% henna as HennaJoy explained in detail, does not "have any other ingredient added to it but the henna itself", or "a second ingredient which would be a herb used to color the hair." She went on to say and I quote "If you bake a cake, the flour is still 100% flour even if you add other ingredients to it."

When asked what process the company used to remove the metallic salts from the hennalucent, and that maybe micro-refining which is indicated on the hennalucent pamphlet may have something to do with the removal of the salts, she said all this means is that the henna was grounded into a fine powder. Nothing more, nothing less and she didn't know what process they used to remove the metallic salts.

At this point I realized that she was telling me as much as she knew about the product so there was no need to keep asking her anymore questions. She also was kind enough to welcome all inquiries anyone at this forum may have concerning the hennalucent. Kim can be reached at 1-800-621-9585 ext.214 To be fair, maybe there is someone there who can answer the questions Kim couldn't answer, but they just wasn't available when I called. If anyone wants to inquire further, the contact information is listed above.

Personally, I think hennalucent is a great product. I color my hair often with rinses, and so far this is the only henna line that will not damage my hair in any way because of the chemicals from the dye I apply to my hair. Now when HennaJoy tells me how to mix the right combination of herbs to create the deep-purple color I'm looking to garner, I may switch to another brand. As it is, I'm satisfied with using rinses and hennalucent to achieve the results I'm currently receiving.

Hope This Helps,
-Iris

 

[sweetcocoa]

Re: Paging the Hennaphilic Gals...HENNA JOY

I thought about it yesterday(while I couldn't get on)...plus I was admiring the shine of my hair

and decided I'm sticking with the Hennalucent for the time being. I have dry hair(Henna to color has salts) and don't want to dry it out further. I'm also looking into the MSM and sulfur8(I used this years ago). I'm really loving the Hennalucent at the moment. I can't wait till Friday when I will do another. I will do this for 3 more weeks, then cut back to once a month(or twice if I shampoo more frequently).

 

[iris]

Re: Paging the Hennaphilic Gals...HENNA JOY

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I thought about it yesterday(while I couldn't get on)...plus I was admiring the shine of my hair

and decided I'm sticking with the Hennalucent for the time being. I have dry hair(Henna to color has salts) and don't want to dry it out further. I'm also looking into the MSM and sulfur8(I used this years ago). I'm really loving the Hennalucent at the moment. I can't wait till Friday when I will do another. I will do this for 3 more weeks, then cut back to once a month(or twice if I shampoo more frequently).

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I'm glad the hennalucent worked so well for you

I always get happy when I hear about a product that I've raved like a lunatic about, working real well for others

Thanks for posting such a positive review!

 

[Guest]

Re: Paging the Hennaphilic Gals...HENNA JOY

Hello Everyone

I'm new to the forum but I have thoroughly enjoyed this conversation. I'm interested in going natural and this thread will help me to decide what I'll eventually do. Iris and Valleygirl you two are really onto something with that msm and protein observation. Please continue to research and post what you find. I'm more of a nutrient person than a hairproduct person and I will be looking forward to all your findings.

HennaJoy you've been methodical in your discussion regarding Henna. Thanks for being very diligent in your profession. Many people just sell products and don't know anything about what they are selling when you ask them questions. Thanks for your very detailed explaination to the questions on this thread. As I've said, if I decide to go natural I will let you know by posting. But the best thing is, even if I decide to relax, I can get the benefits of a relaxer plus henna by using the hennalucent. Thanks to all you ladies for sharing your knowledge with us.

SeaMist

 

[Armyqt]

Re: Paging the Hennaphilic Gals...HENNA JOY

YAY

Glad to hear you had such a positive experience with the hennalucent. Be sure to keep us updated on each application

 

[iris]

Re: Paging the Hennaphilic Gals...HENNA JOY

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Iris and Valleygirl you two are really onto something with that msm and protein observation. Please continue to research and post what you find. I'm more of a nutrient person than a hairproduct person and I will be looking forward to all your findings.

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I sure will SeaMist and I'm glad that you enjoyed this thread

BTW, I read your post to longhairdiva and I agree with you. She makes it hard not to continue to relax. I love the henna but if I ever go back to relaxing, aside from Wanakee, she would definately be one of my inspirations for it

 

[Leigh]

Wanakee only midly relaxed her hair. Just enough to loosen it up some.

Leigh

 

[Guest]

HennaJoy will the henna provide me with the option of wearing my hair straight? If so, how do you get it straight?
My hair is just too thick to wear it natural with no assistance. Thank you.

 

[HennaJoy]

Re: Paging the Hennaphilic Gals...HENNA JOY

Hi SeaMist,

Yes...It is about having choices and all the information needed to make the choice about which product or whatever is best suited for the specific task. And when possible, to know why.

HennaJoy

 

[HennaJoy]

Re: Paging the Hennaphilic Gals...HENNA JOY

Hi Iris,

The henna and Indigo combination can create hair that is raven black or with highlights that are wine, blue black, purple black, burgundy black etc. The same indigo is used though the specific henna powder may be different. I don't think thought that the specific henna powder is the determinant in this case. Henna has a way of mixing with indiosyncratic things about the individual and create something that all of the factors are not known to absolutely duplicate. So some people will get the wine...some the burgundy black...some the purple black...etc. But what will happen is that you will get the black with some sort of beautiful highlight. I just can't guarantee exactly what the highlight will be. And if/when you repeat an henna application over the indigo, the color will shift again.

HennaJoy

 

[HennaJoy]

Hi SeaMist,

You can without any problems straighten your hair with a flat iron, straightening comb or curlers. It is the perms that you have to be careful with. Some have no compatibility with henna...some can be. It is only by performing a harvest hair test that you can know for sure.

 

[nita4]

Ladies and Hennajoy,

Thank you so much. When I logged on this morning I was so jazzed to see the turn this thread had taken. This information is absolutely great!! I feel that I can finally go natural now with or without a minimum use of heat, no weekly press and curl, "big cut" or harsh chemicals for me - just a gradual transistion. I have been wanting to do this for years!! So, I thank you for the many questions and research done. Armqt thanks so much for doing your daughter's hair first and getting good results, now I will do my baby's. I am sending off my order for lotus powder today. I'm so excited!!

 

[LuvableLady]

I followed HennaJoy’s recipe for henna and my hair turned out really nice and soft. I did this on Sunday, rewashed yesterday with herbs and my hair was soft like baby hair. I added no extra conditioners or oil to the mix so Henna Joy is definitely right, henna didn’t make my hair hard or dry.

Thanks again for this recipe and all the others.

Recipe I used was:

3 oz of natural pure red henna (shorter hair so I didn’t need much)
Lemon Juice
Let it stand over night
Applied and left it in less then 2 hours (broke a rule here)

I’ve got these really pretty red highlights in my hair and it looks so sharp. Henna is amazing and I’ll be using it forever. It’s cheap to.

 

[Mahalialee4]

Re: Paging the Hennaphilic Gals...HENNAJOY

1. Once I do the henna+indigo application to get black hair, how long approximately will my hair that has been hennaed stay black? 2. Will I have to repeat the exact same process on the same length of my hair every 3-4 months? 3. How many applications of the indigo can I do to get it as black as I want it? (blue black)? I plan to do a graduated henna coloring. Where the hair will graduate up from the ends i.e. blue black&gt;raven black&gt; soft black&gt; mahogany&gt;with copper highlights. I am also a licensed stylist and know the look I plan to achieve. I do this on my own hair quite often with my natural colored hair and henna. It will be a graduated look achieved with a brush to blend in the shades to avoid any demarcation lines. As it grows out I will just move the coloring up from the bottom. This will gradually create a progressive shaded streaked effect. Later I will shade in the temple areas very dark and it gives the hair a three dimentional very shaped and natural very rich look.(I call it the Mink Stole Look!) Will I be able to add two applications of the indigo alone if it is not dark enough? This is one color (indigo) that I have not worked with yet? Another nice streaking tip with henna OR use rhubarb powder root mixture to give beautiful blond streaks on gray hairs. Natural hairstylists often use this as a natural bleach as well.

Bonjour.

 

[Guest]

Well after weighing everything and thinking about going natural for some time, I'm transistioning. Because of my supplement routine and by me only using a mild relaxer, you really can't tell the difference. I have a great deal of new growth and will do the big-chop and hopefully post some pics soon. Thanks to this thread and the wisdom of you ladies, you have all helped me decide to go natural

 

[Faith]

WTG Seamist! I'm sure you wouldn't regret it. I don't....now.

Lets be honest, some days you will miss the relaxer but all in all it's a good thing.

 

[iris]

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SeaMist said:
Well after weighing everything and thinking about going natural for some time, I'm transistioning. Because of my supplement routine and by me only using a mild relaxer, you really can't tell the difference. I have a great deal of new growth and will do the big-chop and hopefully post some pics soon. Thanks to this thread and the wisdom of you ladies, you have all helped me decide to go natural

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All right SeaMist

you won't regret it. And I'm glad this thread was played a major role in helping you to decide!

 

[HennaJoy]

Re: Paging the Hennaphilic Gals...rather long

Hi Iris,

I put in a call to Kim as well. Mainly to discuss the ingredients in Hennalucent and to get some idea what they are and quantities of each if she had such. I was also intrigued by her comment to you, "If you bake a cake, the flour is still 100% flour even if you add other ingredients to it." Because my point actually is not if you put 100% flour into a cake you are baking is it still 100% flour you added even if you add other ingredients to it. My point is if you put 100% flour into a cake you are baking and add other ingredients to the flour, is what you obtain as the final product 100% flour. And the answer is no...what you have is a cake made up of many things including the flour. To follow that analogy, the Hennalucent is not 100% henna powder. It is something that has many many other ingredients including some henna. No one would expect the cake to act like the 100% flour. Neither should one expect Hennalucent to act like 100% henna powder. That has been the point all along.

Kim initially repeated what she had said to you but went further to say that Hennalucent was 100% henna powder. When I gave her the analogy of putting 3 drops of 100% vanilla extract into a pitcher along with the juice of 3 lemons, a cup of sugar and 2 quarts of water and asked if the results would be 100% vanilla extract, she said no. But that lead to her stating that only henna was in Hennalucent. I referred to the ingredients list and she stated that she was looking at the package. I referred her to a website with Hennalucent and its ingredients listed and also gave her the list of ingredients that had been listed here. She then told me that she would have to speak with their chemist because she saw the ingredients list but did not know what the ingredients were. She promised to call me tomorrow with some information about the list of ingredients.

Kim also stated that "Egyptian Henna"...which seems to be a product of theirs...had metallic salts in it and in order to create a product that did not have metallic salts in it, Hennalucent was developed. I asked if she was saying that all henna had metallic salts in it. She said she had no idea. Bottomline: Kim is the Customer Service person and really does not know much about Hennalucent's make up.

I did some research on metallic salts because this would be the first that I have ever heard of henna containing metallic salts. Metallic salts have some connection with metals, aluminum, copper, iron etc., and are commonly used in terms of dyes as a mordant to make the dye produce a different or stronger color. In India, henna is often mixed in a iron pot for this reason. Dyers will put old pennies that are made of copper into dye baths in order to act as a mordant in the dye bath. If Egyptian Henna Powder had metallic salts of some sort in it, my guess would be that it is something that was added to the powder to cause the henna to produce darker and more red coloring on hair. While this may be a practice not specific to the product Egyptian Henna, it shouldn't be assumed that some sort of metallic salts are added to all henna powders. I do think that this is an important piece of information though. It would explain clearly why prior to people importing loose henna powder and working hard to control the product, that there were such reports of henna reacting really strangely on chemically treated hair. It is also why I always recommend a harvest hair test for people switching to henna with previously treated hair. I don't know what powder a person may purchase from other sources...don't know what is in those products...don't know what chemical has been used on the hair. Those are wild cards that require care and caution. So many people who have had color treated hair and who have previously chemically permed hair have performed the harvest hair test and subsequently used henna on their hair with no problems. But, there are too many different henna powders being imported from all over and too many different chemicals used on hair for any responsible person to safely say that any and all henna products can be used on previously chemically treated hair without worry. Caution and harvested hair tests are still necessary.

The reading of the ingredients on Hennalucent still leads me to define it outside of the categories 100% natural henna powder or herbal/henna powder. I did a search on each of the listed ingredients (except henna because I will assume that 100% lawsonia Inermis is included) and came up with the following:

Ingredients:

Henna, Hydroxyethylcellulose, Sucrose, Quaternium-19, Hydrolyzed Animal Protein, Guar Hydroxypropyl Trimonium Chloride, Citric Acid, Glyceryl Stearate SE, Sodium Lauryl Sulfate, Stearalkonium Chloride, Fragrance, Plant Extracts and other ingredients

Hydroxyethyl Cellulose
A naturally derived polymer that is used as a thickener in creams and lotions and helps modify viscosity and form gels with water-soluble ingredients. Helps protect the skin and makes the skin feel differently.

Hydrolyzed Animal Collagen
Animal derived collagen that gives body to the hair and helps protect it from sun, wind and weather damage. It leaves a protective emollient film.

Sucrose
Ordinary table sugar...derived from the "juice" of the sugar cane

Quaternium-19
A preservative used in cosmetics than has anti-microbial benefits. A quaternary ammonium salt. See Quaternary Ammonium Salts.
Quaternary Ammonium Salts (QUATS)
Quats comprise a large number of substances that are used extensively as surfactants and antimicrobial agents. Compounds are quaternaries only if they contain at least one nitrogen atom linked to four (Latin: quater) alkyl or aryl groups. Many QUATS provide excellent conditioning and antistatic properties making them the ideal hair conditioners.

Guar Hydroxypropyltrimonium Chloride
Naturally derived from Guar tree, it is a cationic conditioning agent used frequently in shampoos.

Citric Acid
The same as vitamin C, derived from citrus fruit. It is used commonly in hair and skincare products and many post perm ingredients to neutralize odor. Has astringent and antioxidant properties and also can be used as a stabilizer and preservative.

Glyceryl Stearate
A monoester of glycerin and stearic acid. An emollient and emulsifier. See Glyceryl Monostearate.
Glyceryl Monostearate
A wax like solid emollient (skin smoothener and softener), emulsifier (thickener) derived from natural stearic acid and glycerin; also pearlescent (emitting or reflecting light readily or in large amounts, rainbow like colors) agent. A wax like solid used as an emulsifying and thickening agent.

Sodium Lauryl Sulfate
Potent but harsh anionic detergent, emulsifier, and surfactant used in personal care products. Also used as a water softener and degreaser.

(On a different website list of ingredients to be limited when used. Information provided:

Sodium Lauryl Sulfate and Ammonium Lauryl Sulfate (SLS, ALS): The CIR Panel has recently stated that SLS and ALS are irritants in patch testing at concentrations of 2 % and greater. The irritation increased with ingredient concentration. In some cosmetic formulations, however, that irritant property was attenuated when SLS or ALS was combined with other surfactants. The longer SLS stayed in contact with the skin, the greater the likelihood of irritation. Thus, both SLS and ALS appear to be safe in formulations designed for discontinuous, brief use followed by thorough rinsing from the surface of the skin. In products intended for prolonged contact with skin, concentrations should not exceed 1 %.


Stearalkonium Chloride
Reduces static electricity by neutralizing electrical charges on hair. Good conditioning agent - cationic surfactant.

Fragrance
Any natural or synthetic substance or substances use solely to impart a sweet or pleasant smell (odor) to a cosmetic product.

Plant Extracts and Other ingredients...
Exactly what these are that are in Hennalucent is not clear.

Metallic Salts:

Another of Kim's statements quoted, "She doesn't know what process is used to remove the metallic salts." I suspect that it just wasn't added in. I did a search on metallic salts and got a long list. Then my computer froze and I lost it all. But a couple are: Ferrous sulfate, copper sulfate, iron sulfate. It was a longer list. A search on yahoo brings them up quite easily. But these would typically be something added to henna and not a part of henna.

Again, I hope this is somewhat helpful in the context just knowing what is in a product and making choices based upon that. It is not to say that there is something "good" "bad" or whatever about a particular product that includes lots of ingredients. It is to say that lemonade should not be confused with pure sugar, pure lemon juice, pure water or pure vanilla extract. And a cake, while containing 100% flour is not the same as 100% flour.

Hennalucent will do certain things because of its ingredients. Natural 100% henna powder will do certain things because of its single ingredient. But they will do different things. And if someone wishes the experience and benefits of 100% natural henna powder, then they will have to obtain that rather than a product with lots of other stuff in it. And if a person wants Hennalucent despite the other ingredients or because of the other ingredients and their benefits, then they should obtain Hennalucent.

If I hear anything from Kim and the chemist she is to contact regarding the ingredients in Hennalucent, I will post that information tomorrow. From what I can see, the ingredients in Hennalucent add conditioning, fragrance, thickners, help the ingredients to mix properly and serve as a preservative to keep down the growth of bacteria. They are ingredients commonly used in cosmetics, shampoos and conditioners. Are they all natural?...I didn't look into that. But they are all in common use. And given the description of some of them, it makes sense that the Hennalucent conditions the hair well.

HennaJoy

 

[iris]

Re: Paging the Hennaphilic Gals...rather long

YOU SEE THIS IS WHY I LOVE THIS BOARD! THE MEMBERS HERE ARE JUST SO DEDICATED IN HELPING ONE ANOTHER!

HennaJoy you remind me of VALLEYGIRL in that you both give very detailed information regarding your interviews and knowledge. I have learned something new today. I was under the impression that only henna or a relaxer could straighten the hair as far as products used externally on the hair. Please do post what their "chemist" has to say because I really wanna know!

So are you telling me, any great conditioner can loosen the curl pattern of the hair the way hennalucent does? I'm still of the opinion as you've already said that the henna in combination with the other ingredients helps to accomplish this. HennaJoy I can't believe you took the time to do this for us all! My goodness girl, I'm flabbergasted

! You are this forums Henna Queen for sure! I give credit where credit is due and all I can say right now is: All Hail The Queen

When I get my thoughts together I will post some more and edit this thread, but right now I am too through with you! Y'all this woman is a bad-mama-jamma! Just as bad as she can be! I can't wait to hear what this chemist has to say to you tomorrow

 

[HennaJoy]

Re: Paging the Hennaphilic Gals...HENNAJOY

Hi Mahalialee4,

You just answered a prayer. I knew one person who did this successfully and she moved and I lost contact. Can you please post how you do this...or email me if no one else is interested in this process...like that would be possible...

The results are beautiful!!!

You can use the indigo as you described and do reapplications on hair that has been henna'd. If you apply henna over hair that you have already colored with indigo, you will get another coloring effect. Give the indigo time to work for a few days. It gets darker and needs the timing for you to see the final color. You've got skills and can pull the gradation off. Some people ended up with a very clear line as you described.

Oh...from my personal experience and feedback from others, the indigo doesn't wash or fade out. So keep that in mind when committing to the change. Henna can be used often without problems. I have done back to back applications in two step processes. The indigo I would use less frequently because it doesn't appear to be necessary to repeat often and because I can't say from personal experience or feedback what the results would be with real frequent application. That sounds like a test that I can undertake with some harvested hair and report back.

I just need to take the time to say that I think the people on this forum are just FANTASTIC!!!

So many of you have thanked me for the information that I provided and I am glad that it has been helpful. But please do know that I am getting as surely as giving here. Just reading the various accounts of natural henna use on your hair provides me with soooooo much more information in one place than I ever thought I would be able to obtain and learn from. The different directions people are going off in to strip the mysteries of what things effect our hair in what ways...and looking forward to reading how the learning will effect different hair textures is something I am certainly looking forward to. I feel enriched. Thank you!!!

HennaJoy

 

[Armyqt]

Re: Paging the Hennaphilic Gals...rather long

Dag, you DO NOT mess around, do you

? Thanks for all the info.

 

[HennaJoy]

Hi LuvableLady,

I am so glad you got the results you desired.

You didn't break a rule. I try to give recipes and directions as a rule of thumb. Sounds like three things happened. You got a fresh henna powder. You got great dye release allowing the paste to sit overnight. And two hours is sufficient for you to get the color you desire. Some hair will take the color faster than other hair. My hair likes all night long...

I think that 4 hours to 8 hours would be most needed by people with hair that is extremely light and they want a real red...people with hair that is real dark and does not take color easily...and people with hair in the middle ranges who want the deepest reds or red highlights. And believe me, there are exceptions to all of this. The individual is very important to henna.

HennaJoy

 

[HennaJoy]

Re: Paging the Hennaphilic Gals...rather long

Hi Iris,

If only you could see me hopping all around trying to duck and dodge the "Henna Queen" label...

But I am smiling...

(huge smile)

I will be sure to let you know what the chemist says. I do actually hope I get a call back.

No, I am not saying that any great conditioner can do what Hennalucent has done. I do believe that the combination of henna with some of the other ingredients is what is providing the results both positive and negative. I am going to look into each of the ingredients to get a very good sense of what each will do. Identifying the individual beneficial ingredients while also identifying ingredients that are neutral or have a not positive effect would be useful information about how this combo is working, without all of the extra stuff like preservatives, stabilizers, fragrance, herbal extracts etc., unless they are adding to the experience itself. Right now I am really interested in exactly what the other items are in Hennalucent that appear to be creating more loosening of the curl pattern than pure henna does on its own. Especially if people's individual experiences prove that over time, the Hennalucent actually continues to straighten the curl pattern and the hair goes straight. There are some clues in the individual ingredients. So I am wanting to look more into the specific ingredients.

It would in fact be informative to know of other...if any...conditioners that are providing similar results. Those ingredients lists would also provide valuable clues.

HennaJoy

 

[iris]

Re: Paging the Hennaphilic Gals...rather long

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Metallic Salts:

Another of Kim's statements quoted, "She doesn't know what process is used to remove the metallic salts." I suspect that it just wasn't added in. I did a search on metallic salts and got a long list. Then my computer froze and I lost it all. But a couple are: Ferrous sulfate, copper sulfate, iron sulfate. It was a longer list. A search on yahoo brings them up quite easily. But these would typically be something added to henna and not a part of henna.

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I just reread this post and I was under the impression that metallic salts are naturally inherent with the henna? You just said that natural henna has no metallic salts? If so, then how could natural henna be damaging to chemically processed hair? Thanks.