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[HennaJoy]

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Hi Nita4,

Those are the time periods I recommend for use though they can and have been used more frequently, less frequently and even a bit differently. These are pretty flexible items in terms of usage.

It is not necessary to use the lotus powder in conjuction with henna in your routine...especially when you are not interested in coloring. For conditioning without coloring, the lotus powder is sufficient.

If someone is using henna for coloring and conditioning, then the lotus powder can be used for ongoing conditioning in the interim. I use both because coloring is an important part of my equation.

In terms of loosening of the curl, I would rate henna first and lotus powder second.

With the harvest hair test with the lotus powder, I would be looking to determine the timeframe required to get the results on the hair that I want. Sometimes it is good to know that a couple of hours will do the job sufficiently even though we may decide to leave it on longer for optimal results. Look for softness of the hair and detangling when the hair is rinsed. That is what you notice first.

Lotus Powder is 100% pure lotus powder. Lotus Powder Plus is about 80% Lotus Powder and 20% other herbal powders like myrobalan that add to the conditioning and shifts the consistency of the paste in a way that makes it easier to work through the hair.

Thanks again for your order. I don't have it before me, but if you ordered henna and want to change that, email me and let me know. I can probably still make the change.

HennaJoy

 

[nita4]

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Hi Hennajoy

Thanks for your response. For the time being I will stick to exactly what you have instructed until I better familiarize myself with these products. Actually I ordered the Lotus Powder Plus and a sample of the henna for a harvest test. But in the future I will probably add the Henna to my regimen as I would like the full loosening effect of those products.

Thanks so much!

 

[CQ_Diddly_Do]

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HennaJoy,

Thank you so much for your response.

I think I will mix the Henna with the coffee to tone down the red and mix it up and use the paste right away before the dye releases and then I will only keep it on my hair for between two and four hours.

Wish me luck.

Have a nice day.

 

[Justice4alw]

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Greetings, HennaJoy! Thanks for all of the wonderful information that you've been giving us!

I'd like to get a clarification about lotus powder. I have permanently colored hair and have used semi-permanent in the past. I want to use lotus powder for the conditioning effect. Is there a possibility of any adverse side effects from the lotus powder under these conditions?

In addition, when I do the retouches of the lotus powder applications is it required that I only touch up the new growth or will I be able to continue to just do full-head applications?

Thanks in advance for your answers.

 

[sassygirl125]

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Can the Lotus Powder Plus be mixed with a commercial conditioner and applied to the hair or does it have to used alone? I was thinking of using with Aubrey's GPB for a deeeeeep protein treatment once a week...

Thanks in advance--I'm cutting and pasting all of your posts into my "Henna Files"!

 

[HennaJoy]

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Hi Sassygirl,

That is possible. I would mix some of the Lotus Powder Plus into a paste first and then add the paste into the other conditioner. The paste first in order to make sure the powder is thoroughly saturated and will mix with the other conditioner well.

Well, I'm down right flatter. I am sure the posts will be in good company in your "Henna Files"...

HennaJoy

 

[Guest]

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Can the Lotus Powder Plus be mixed with a commercial conditioner and applied to the hair or does it have to used alone? I was thinking of using with Aubrey's GPB for a deeeeeep protein treatment once a week...
Thanks in advance--I'm cutting and pasting all of your posts into my "Henna Files"!

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Great question Sassygirl. I'm als storing these posts in my Henna file. Someone can write a book or instructional manual with all this great info

HennaJoy have you given this a thought? I know in the category of haircare, it would be a best-seller! BTW, you must type at least 60+ words a minute. I say this because virtually all of your posts are LONG! My fingers and wrists have real sympathy for you

I guess this is a part of being passionate about what you do and you being a very dedicated artist

Thank you for extending that dedication to us all

With all this great information, you are going to make all of our hair literally

 

[HennaJoy]

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Hi Justice4alw,

There is nothing in the lotus powder that would not make it not fine to use with over your color treated hair. It is purely organic plant matter and has nothing in it that can react with your other colors. It is also not a dye, mordant or metallic salt so there can be no color mixing, altering or reaction to peroxide.

I would say the wild cards actually are in what you have already colored your hair with: The possibility of metallic salts in the semi-permanent hair colorant...possible PPD in the permananent dye...possibility of reaction of a metallic salt if one was in the semi-permanent hair colorant and the peroxide that is often part of the permanent dye process. The lotus powder because it possesses no dyes will not be a problem. You should take care and always do a harvest hair test prior to applying any other colorant on my hair unless you know with certainty that no metallic salts were in the semi-permanent hair color and if there was no peroxide used with or in the permanent dye.

HennaJoy

 

[Mahalialee4]

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Waving wildly and bouncing up and down!!! Re: the ladies with AA 3b +: &gt;There was an original thread that was started by a lady with a little girl and she wanted to know how to loosen the kink and curl in her little daughter's hair naturally?..and I suggested the henna conditioning treatments and then "E....?"...told of recipe...I hope I got the name right.&lt; Could anyone update us as to what degree of "straightening out of the hair strands" that they have achieved to date with the henna and henna conditioner? with and without flatironing, curling irons etc...and could you compare the results you get as less than or equal to that of a texturizer?
I am going to try and loosen my curl to the max with the henna and the lotus powder plus some other herbs. Please bombard me with results of your henna "loosening". Oh, and for those who have done a blowout with the henna...what were your results? Especially those who have been doing this for some time. Bonjour.

 

[Guest]

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Hi MahaliaLee

My hennalucent treatment has me grinning from ear to ear

I used the Fantasia Leave-In, and the Mango Butter as extra conditioning and protection agents and when I curled my hair, it came out smooth as silk!

I know the hennalucent had a great deal to do with it because it really loosed my curl pattern. I also like it for the simple reason I have had relaxed hair and it has not damaged it in anyway

My hair is much softer, easily detangles, and my curls loosed after using the treatment. Mahalialee, what herbs are you planning to add to loosen your curl pattern to the maximum, as I am desiring to do the same

HennaJoy will the lotus and henna continue to loosen the curl pattern if you use it weekly instead of monthly? Thank you!

 

[Mahalialee4]

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I have purchased the horseradish powder,kiwi fruit (puree=1/3 cup), bottled lime juice, and papain. I will add this to the lotus powder as a regular treatment between henna treatments since they are naturally relaxing agents. Then I will use lime juice and yogurt as my liquid. I am just going to experiment. I want to get more body,bounce and moisture into my hair so that when I do the henna conditioner, it should be great. Occasionally I will add the blackstrap molasses to the henna. I will let you know about some other ingredients once I get it all figured out. I have been thinking. The fuller and more conditioned it gets, the easier it will be to just pin it up into something nice between shampoos. (oiling the ends of course).Bonjour. Off to do more research!!!!

 

[Guest]

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Thanks Mahalialee. It all sounds great to me

 

[HennaJoy]

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Hi SeaMist,

The henna and lotus powder will individually and collectively continue to keep the curl pattern loose. But there is no evidence that the hair will go straight. Henna and lotus powder relax the curl pattern but can't be mistaken for a product that will straighten the hair like a perm. Real different.

 

[HennaJoy]

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You've got it CQ_Diddly_Do!

You have a fantastic day as well.

HennaJoy

 

[HennaJoy]

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Hi SeaMist,

I am actually putting together a piece on henna both on hair and a piece on henna related to body art. I haven't determined what form the final piece will be...ebook or something downloadable from my website. But, yes, I am working on something I think will be informative and helpful.

Still doing research on the history of henna as a fabric dye...designs and techniques. I'll be chipping away at this one for some time.

It is nice to see henna and its uses in context. I will just have to carve out a piece of time to get this completed. Good to know that you feel it will be useful. I've just been putting it together as a piece to address the questions I tend to get most frequently and from lots of different people.

I am feeling motivated to get it into some usable and distributable form now.

Take care.

HennaJoy

 

[HennaJoy]

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Something that would be really helpful to me and I think helpful and informative to others would be a list of things everyone using in conjuction with henna along with information related to outcome. Having information concerning hair type, previously chemically treated or natural prior to henna application and then all of the products, items, ingredients folks are using to get specific outcomes can be a great tool. Generating a list that has this information would be a great resource and way of not losing what is being learned as everyone is experimenting or developing and maintaining hair care routines that contain 100% henna, herbal/henna and even products like Hennalucent. I would love it if that could happen here. I personally would find that invaluable.

1. We would need to know if it is 100% henna, herbal/henna or a product like Hennalucent used.

2. Coloring and Perm products used prior to henna et.al. applications need to be identified.

3. Products, ingredients, items used along with henna et. al., (i.e. product to include things like lotus powder, other conditioners, indigo...ingredients to include essential oils, herbs, eggs...items to include things like flat irons, curling iron, heat caps etc.)

4. Outcomes and results should include both immediate outcomes and/or results you see over time.

It is pretty much what Mahalialee4 has listed with a bit more information including specific observable outcomes and opinion.

It can be useful to track the impact on hair in general and specific hair types. At the same time it would be tracking lots of different products that have compatibility in use. And we will know it because of the list documenting it.

Is there is anything else that would be helpful to have included?

HennaJoy

 

[CurlyCrly]

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HennaJoy, do you have a store at the address listed on your website?

Thanks!

 

[sweetcocoa]

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When I did mine with Hennalucent(which I will be doing tomorrow night), I used blackstrap molasses also. I think it helped it from being runny. I also added Hask Placenta Henna and Placenta conditioner and little olive oil. I started out with very warm distilled water. I really love blackstrap molasses. I plan on leaving it in my hair longer this time...

 

[sweetcocoa]

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Seamist,
How long did you leave the hennalucent in your hair?
Thanks!

 

[iris]

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Hennalucent Ingredients:

Hydrolyzed Animal Protein

Sodium Lauryl Sulfate
Potent but harsh anionic detergent, emulsifier, and surfactant used in personal care products. Also used as a water softener and degreaser.

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Animal Protein: Makes the hair hard or "stiff". A thread was recently created discussing how plant protein such as wheat, oat, or milk protein, makes the hair soft, while animal protein makes the hair hard. I readily agree and this explains in part the "stiffness" that I have experienced right after application.

Sodium Lauryl Sulfate:How could I have overlooked this

Though it's 9th on the list, I NEVER use shampoos containing this ingredient because they strip the hair of all moisture, drying it out and making it rough and impossible to comb through. The only time I use shampoos containing SLS is when I'm clarifying and then I follow up with a very moisturizing shampoo such as Creme of Nature. What hennalucent users are doing as far as adding moisturizing agents to the mix is correct and very necessary in my opinion because it combats the drying effects of the animal protein and SLS. What I've said about SLS, in my case, applies to the Ammonium Lauryl Sulfates as well.


So the combinatiion of these two ingredients I believe contributes to the stiffness I have been experiencing. Those conditioning agents added to the mix really helped to balance this out. Aside from the "stiffness" issue as explained above, overall hennalucent is a very good product in my opinion. But right now, I'm ready to experience that Lotus Powder along with some sample henna to make a detailed comparison and an informed decision

 

[sweetcocoa]

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I plan on ordering the lotus powder also....but in the meantime I plan on doing the hennalucent until I get it.

 

[iris]

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Hi Sweetcocoa

I plan on continuing to use the hennalucent as well. The animal protein and SLS are the only gripes I have with it, but like I said, overall it is a very good product. All anyone has to do is add moisture to the their mix, and it's basically smooth sailing

If they had added plant protein and left out the SLS, the product would have been even better to me. Since companies are so fond of "improving" upon their products, I think Ardell should consider replacing these two ingredients, adding a plant based protein, sans the SLS and then it would truly be a "new and improved version of the original"

 

[Katrine]

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Papain is used in hair-inhibitors and peeling treatments. It breaks down enzymes (similar to pineapple). I would really not use it on my hair and certainly not on a regular basis.

 

[hada]

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Thanks HennaJoy,

You are a real help. I will start with this when I can get her to cooperate...lol

hada

 

[sassygirl125]

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I searched the 'net, but I couldn't find any info on exactly what "Cassia Auricalata" is and what it does for the hair. The Light Mountain neutral label says the ingredients are Neutral Henna (cassia auricalata and lawsonia inermis). Which leads me to belive there is more cassia *** than henna in the product.

This is what Light Mountain says:

Light Mountain Natural hair color is a blend of 100% pure botanicals. Lawsonia, Indigoferae and Cassia Auriculata. Although Lawsonia is the only "true henna" plant, in the henna market the Indigoferae and Cassia Auriculata plants are called henna. All hennas are a blend of these three botanicals. The Lawsonia leaf offers the red shades, Indigoferae offers the dark shades and Cassia auriculata is for conditioning effect. When mixed with hot water they will coat hair and other protein cells as well as stain skin and nails. This coating action is beneficial to your hair. It seals in oils and tightens the cuticle resulting in a rich, healthy shine.

The Lawsonia plant supplies the red shades, Indigoferae the black shades and Cassia Auriculata is the neutral conditioner.

The label on the LM colored henna simply reads: "100% premium Henna." No mention of lawsonia. Is it supposed to be "understood" that this product is lawsonia inermis? I see henna at the beauty supply and the health food store that just say, "Henna" or "Organic Henna" and it is confusing... I want to know what I'm getting before I get it home! The brands I've seen are Rainbow, Colora, Egyptian Henna, Avigal and Surya.

 

[HennaJoy]

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Hi CurlyCrly,

Nope...I don't have a walk in store where henna can be purchased at that address.

HennaJoy

 

[Guest]

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Seamist,
How long did you leave the hennalucent in your hair?
Thanks!

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I made a warm tea out of cornsilk and added to the neutral henna, GPB, olive oil, jojoba oil, aloe vera powder, and a little castor oil. Castor oil is too thick for my taste but it's great as a moisturizer, so I added just a little. I applied the mix, put on a plastic cap and left it on a little under an hour.

That aloe vera powder is something else

I'm familiar with the gel, but the powder has one of the strongest odors I ever experienced from a herb in my life. I was shocked by the odor because I'm so accustomed to the gel.

After the hour, I rinsed and noticed the stiffness that some of you have been talking about. But now that Iris listed those two ingredients, I think it is the animal protein and probably the SLS as well, that makes the hair a bit stiff. It wasn't anything major and after I washed my hair with CON shampoo and conditioned by mixing the Tropical avocado conditioner with the Nancidit Olive Oil rinse. My new growth was loosed, relaxed parts were shining and my hair was soft to the touch.

I used the mango butter and fantasia leave in and curled my hair. It was so soft, bouncy and shiny I couldn't believe it. And just as you guys said, when I washed my hair three day after the first treatment, it just fell over in the sink. Detangling was no problem whatsoever and it was very soft to the touch. I'm going to try the Lotus Powder and the pure henna because I want to see the difference also. I'm happy with the hennalucent and think it is one of the best products on the market

 

[Mahalialee4]

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When I said "papain" I was referring to fruit acids-that have a softening effect,but I would be using: papaya,kiwis,apples, pineapple, as well as other natural fruits. The phyto products that are used in making "straightening balms" are using "food extracts" that have softening qualities. I wonder about "meat tenderizer"

Anyway, thank you for the tip...cane sugar, honey etc. are also used as "hair removals", but can also be great moisturizers, depending on the combination of other ingredients and how the mixture is used. I want to come up with a combination of softening phytos that can be added to the lotus powder as well as for a hair detangler. Hope it works out. If I come across any sites that feature this approach I will be posting them for consideration. In the meantime for HennaJoy's research here is some interesting info: &gt;"Straighten hair naturally" http://www.bodymindrevival.com/haircare.htm; re: milk:http://www.budget101.com/recipes/id96.htm proteins&gt;http://www.lorabeauty.com/shopping/pricelist.asp?prid=6377; phytos-hair&gt;http://www.beansbeauty.com/LZ curly.htm#Especially for Curly or Frizzy Hair;Hope this helps some for research HennaJoy: Bonjour.

 

[Mahalialee4]

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Sea Mist: Much of the real aloe poweder; actually Cape Powder comes from South Africa, and many use it as a wash to stimulate hair growth. But be carefull when you breathe. that is some potent stuff and if you accidentally inhale any!!!!!...yuk! But it is great stuff for moisturizing as well as strengthening. I will look for that site again. I use it too. I get it at the Indian store. Bonjour.

 

[Guest]

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Thanks for the information Mahalialee

Wow, I got very concerned and didn't know if I was going to use it again because I didn't want any cop stopping me for possession of an illegal substance! That's how potent the smell is!