LADIES LET's Talk...

[sckri23]

Of course I understand owning a business is hard!!!! ESPECIALLY when your own people don't support you or make comments like you just did upthread. HOW do you think Korean businesses succeed????

What comment?? All I said was a business is a business and you shouldnt be picky cause of race. If one store doesnt have what you are looking for go to the next one, dont say "oh I cant go there a korean owns that one and I only support black businesses". Thats putting your hair at risk and thats on you not the koreans.

 

[FoxxyLocs]

I do understand. Do you understand that owning a business is hard, anyone who has tried and succeeded in owning one is truly a fighter. I know because my great grandmother used to a own a BSS/salon. So I get what your saying but good products are good products no matter who owns the store where its sold.

Owning a business is hard. Owning a BSS as a black person is darn near impossible because black people won't support it and other business owners do everything in their power to force them out of business. If you can buy the same products from a black owned business why not do that?

White people don't have to say I only want to buy from white people because most business are already owned by white business owners, and white business owners have no extra obstacles standing in their way. The same way that white people don't have to say I want to go to a predominately white school, or I want to live in a predominately white neighborhood - it's the default. So the argument that it's racist for black people to want to support black businesses is just...ignorant for lack of a better word. It doesn't make sense. Black business owners are severely underrepresented across the board, but in the beauty business it's even worse because there are so many products marketed specifically to black women.

It's sad that some of us don't know this already

 

[sckri23]

Owning a business is hard. Owning a BSS as a black person is darn near impossible because black people won't support it and other business owners do everything in their power to force them out of business. If you can buy the same products from a black owned business why not do that?

White people don't have to say I only want to buy from white people because most business are already owned by white business owners, and white business owners have no extra obstacles standing in their way. The same way that white people don't have to say I want to go to a predominately white school, or I want to live in a predominately white neighborhood - it's the default. So the argument that it's racist for black people to want to support black businesses is just...ignorant for lack of a better word. It doesn't make sense. Black business owners are severely underrepresented across the board, but in the beauty business it's even worse because there are so many products marketed specifically to black women.

It's sad that some of us don't know this already

So yall are saying black ppl will literally look at a black owned business and say im not goin there cause if thats what yall are saying yall must be confused cause I dont know anyone who would do that!!! But pickin and choosin because of race is wrong. point blank period.

What Im basically hearing is I wanna buy a brush and I have research is that brush made by a black person before I buy it. Thats stupid a brush is a brush, just because I buy it doesnt mean im not protesting against black owned and made products im just buying a product. Why is everybody making everything so complicated and its not.

And I didnt say it was racist to support black business I said it was racist to stop supporting other businesses cause their not black.. There's a difference.

 

[Keshieshimmer]

Some people here are why we need to do better.

 

[Keshieshimmer]

So yall are saying black ppl will literally look at a black owned business and say im not goin there cause if thats what yall are saying yall must be confused cause I dont know anyone who would do that!!! But pickin and choosin because of race is wrong. point blank period.

What Im basically hearing is I wanna buy a brush and I have research is that brush made by a black person before I buy it. Thats stupid a brush is a brush, just because I buy it doesnt mean im not protesting against black owned and made products im just buying a product. Why is everybody making everything so complicated and its not.

I wish I was better with my words.

My take is that I would want to support businesses that have black owners, because it is more likely that whatever money they make will go back to a black community.

By your own point you should go out of your way to support a Black BBS, it is hard being a business owner and even harder when manufactures give the owners a high markup b/c they are black, yet they give the Asian a low price, which is why they can sell stuff so cheap and the black BBS goes out of business.

EDIT: Also I don't buy everything from black owned businesses, but I am more mindful about my choices.

The black community was powerful when we owned our own stuff.

 

[FoxxyLocs]

So yall are saying black ppl will literally look at a black owned business and say im not goin there cause if thats what yall are saying yall must be confused cause I dont know anyone who would do that!!! But pickin and choosin because of race is wrong. point blank period.

What Im basically hearing is I wanna buy a brush and I have research is that brush made by a black person before I buy it. Thats stupid a brush is a brush, just because I buy it doesnt mean im not protesting against black owned and made products im just buying a product. Why is everybody making everything so complicated and its not.

And I didnt say it was racist to support black business I said it was racist to stop supporting other businesses cause their not black.. There's a difference.

erplexed

What I'm saying is if you need a brush, and there is a black owned BSS that sells brushes, you should go there to get your brush. If no black owned businesses sell brushes, then you have to do what you have to do, but at least you tried.

I currently use Aubrey Organics as my staple conditioner, but I'm going to try conditioners from black owned lines to see if I can switch to support a black business.

If there were a black owned BSS on the other side of town, or online, I would order from them when I could instead of going to a local BSS.

Here are some more links:

http://shop.awniproducts.com/AWNI-Collections_c2.htm - for weave

http://www.paynesbeautysupply.com/

http://www.epiccurls.com/info.html

http://www.beeteebeauty.com/

http://www.sunnyshair.com/pages.php?pageid=2

ETA: http://www.butters-n-bars.com/info.html - I get my mango/cocoa/shea butter from here.

 

[sckri23]

erplexed

What I'm saying is if you need a brush, and there is a black owned BSS that sells brushes, you should go there to get your brush. If no black owned businesses sell brushes, then you have to do what you have to do, but at least you tried.

I currently use Aubrey Organics as my staple conditioner, but I'm going to try conditioners from black owned lines to see if I can switch to support a black business.

If there were a black owned BSS on the other side of town, or online, I would order from them when I could instead of going to a local BSS.

Here are some more links:

http://shop.awniproducts.com/AWNI-Collections_c2.htm - for weave

http://www.paynesbeautysupply.com/

http://www.epiccurls.com/info.html

http://www.beeteebeauty.com/

http://www.sunnyshair.com/pages.php?pageid=2

Ok ppl are sayin "this/that race is basically evil and they stole our market your supporting them your wrong and blah blah blah" and I never said I dont support black businesses and ppl reactin like I did so really wtf? I support EVERYBODY ppl really need to chill.

ETA: your not sayin it, its the others

 

[irisak]

So yall are saying black ppl will literally look at a black owned business and say im not goin there cause if thats what yall are saying yall must be confused cause I dont know anyone who would do that!!! But pickin and choosin because of race is wrong. point blank period.

What Im basically hearing is I wanna buy a brush and I have research is that brush made by a black person before I buy it. Thats stupid a brush is a brush, just because I buy it doesnt mean im not protesting against black owned and made products im just buying a product. Why is everybody making everything so complicated and its not.

And I didnt say it was racist to support black business I said it was racist to stop supporting other businesses cause their not black.. There's a difference.

Some people here are why we need to do better.

Ok. I've been looking at this thread since it was posted yesterday and swore I would stay out of it but I can't.

******Disclaimer: I just re-read the Autobiography of Malcolm X for the first time in 20 years and the first time as an adult so some of my views are colored by my recent reading*****

As a people, we have allowed people of other races to monopolize our neighborhoods, our communities and our economic power. These non-black business owners come into our neigborhoods, sell products marketed towards blacks, and then go home to their neighborhoods and like another poster said sending their sons and daughters to Ivy league schools. When the generation before us began to fight for their civil rights, they were so worried about a seat on the bus and a seat at a lunch counter (which are important) but, we never created a black status quo.

The problem with integration, is there is no integration without assimilation. As a people instead of fighting for that seat at the lunch counter, we should have opened our own diners. Instead of fighting for that seat on the bus, our people should have gone out and gotten chauffuers (sp) licenses and started our own transportation companies. The Holocaust caused the Jewish people to bond and learn and you will never see them in a situation where assimilation can allow them to be victimized en masse.

But what have we my people done? We spend billions on hair and hair products, makeup that actually matches our skin tone. And other than the black woman on the package, how much of that money went back into our own pocket? No one gives respect, you have to earn it, and as long as a Korea BSS owner can pay our people minimum wage, to make a business look like it supports our people we sit down and stfu. And honestly, as someone who's been a PJ/slash recovering weavaholic who is always falling off the wagon, hiring our people is a very recent thing and is only done in the bigger BSS at least IME.

I can tell by your postings @sckri23, that you are in your early 20's. I say that because I have sisters in that age group and that's when the color blind society lie became really strong. Even though I'm in my late 20's (and I will keep claiming that until 12:01 on my next b-day lol), there was a stronger sense of trying to grow as a community in the early to mid nineties that your age group missed. Hip-hop had the deep artists, people wore African prints, movies about the civil rights era came out as regularly as movies about the hood, and we were coming up right behind the struggle with parents who remembered it first hand. Other pan-african people have the sense to bond as a community and come to the white man from a point of economic strengths. That's all the old boys society will ever understand. Until we as a people, as black american, learn to join our pan african brothers and sisters in creating a position of power, instead calling our people racist when they discuss taking money from a group that only hears it when you hit their pockets (why do you really think the Alabama bus boycotts worked? Because they didn't want to see us walking?), then we will always look like the weaker people.

******Diatribe over. Ya'll done made me put the phone away and pull out the laptop lol.***********

 

[keenyme]

i folks have been fooled by all this "post racial" nonsense...

there are a few black(jamaican) owned BSS in my area. theyre pretty good quality,too.

ETA: the Wakefield area of the Bronx. Close to the end of the 2line. There are a few BSS from btw 225 and 233 st.

 

[keenyme]

it seems like ppl are deliberately ignoring the point that's being made here.

it's not about freezing ppl out b/c of race (which is exactly what the koreans are doing, btw), it's about building wealth w/in the community so that we might actually get somewhere for once.

this is why black ppl stay losing.

 

[sckri23]

Why is everyone talkin to me about this? Its childish I said what I had to say which was until the plans for a black owned bss are made ima get my products where I can get them and even my mom said if you ppl (yea I said it) have a problem with it open your own stores I support everybody I will gladly support you too........ NOW UNDERSTAND THAT!!!!!

 

[irisak]

i folks have been fooled by all this "post racial" nonsense...

there are a few black(jamaican) owned BSS in my area. theyre pretty good quality,too.

Post racialsociety my azzsss biggest lie ever. That is so true though. I can't think of a single BSS I've been to that was black owned that wasn't dingy, understocked, and small and I always wondered why. It's the power of the $$$$$$$$$. It makes sense they would freeze us out, and we don't have the ecomomic power and unity to hang with the big boys yet. It's how Walmart stays on top. They strong arm their distributors into giving them lower prices, and because they bring in so much revenue the distributors agree.

I was having a talk with my co-workers the other day, and we were talking about how other races keep things in the family. For instance almost every single liquor store, and gas station is owned by a Middle Eastern person in every city and town I've been to in the state. They bring all their family over and keep the money in their community, and their all named Sam (regional joke). The point is, if a black splinter cell had planned and pulled off 9/11, they would have torn our neighborhoods assunder. Saudi Arabia owns so much of America that we never even touched that country and 17 of the 19 perpertrators were Saudi.

 

[Beany]

i folks have been fooled by all this "post racial" nonsense...

there are a few black(jamaican) owned BSS in my area. theyre pretty good quality,too.

^^^ You better preach.

 

[irisak]

Why is everyone talkin to me about this? Its childish I said what I had to say which was until the plans for a black owned bss are made ima get my products where I can get them and even my mom said of you ppl (yea I said it) have a problem with it open your own stores I support everybody I will gladly support you too........ NOW UNDERSTAND THAT!!!!!

Big sister . Nobody is attacking you honey. I know I for one and I do this with my little sisters IRL too was just trying to make you understand that this thread at least for me is beyond shopping at a black BSS, or buying a brush straight from Korea. It's about how we as a people need to get it together and the topic will of course center around the black hair care industry on a black hair care board. Hell it's where a good chunk of my disposable income goes lol.

 

[FoxxyLocs]

Why is everyone talkin to me about this? Its childish I said what I had to say which was until the plans for a black owned bss are made ima get my products where I can get them and even my mom said if you ppl (yea I said it) have a problem with it open your own stores I support everybody I will gladly support you too........ NOW UNDERSTAND THAT!!!!!

Links have been posted all through this thread telling you about black owned companies. If you want to support them then go ahead and buy something from one of them. If you're tired of people talking to you, you can just stop responding.

 

[keenyme]

are you reading the posts? how many times have ppl said the black ppl ARE ACTIVELY BEING BLOCKED FROM GAINING THE RESOURCES NECESSARY TO EVEN OPEN A BSS?!

THAT is the problem. Koreans are profiting form US, taking money away from US, while actively PREVENTING us from getting a real share. it's not about just not supporting them b/c they aren't black. it's about keeping OUR money with US, and not giving it to ppl who are deliberately damaging us.


and i'd just like to point out that i'm in my early 20s...

 

[sckri23]

Ok. I've been looking at this thread since it was posted yesterday and swore I would stay out of it but I can't.

******Disclaimer: I just re-read the Autobiography of Malcolm X for the first time in 20 years and the first time as an adult so some of my views are colored by my recent reading*****

As a people, we have allowed people of other races to monopolize our neighborhoods, our communities and our economic power. These non-black business owners come into our neigborhoods, sell products marketed towards blacks, and then go home to their neighborhoods and like another poster said sending their sons and daughters to Ivy league schools. When the generation before us began to fight for their civil rights, they were so worried about a seat on the bus and a seat at a lunch counter (which are important) but, we never created a black status quo.

The problem with integration, is there is no integration without assimilation. As a people instead of fighting for that seat at the lunch counter, we should have opened our own diners. Instead of fighting for that seat on the bus, our people should have gone out and gotten chauffuers (sp) licenses and started our own transportation companies. The Holocaust caused the Jewish people to bond and learn and you will never see them in a situation where assimilation can allow them to be victimized en masse.

But what have we my people done? We spend billions on hair and hair products, makeup that actually matches our skin tone. And other than the black woman on the package, how much of that money went back into our own pocket? No one gives respect, you have to earn it, and as long as a Korea BSS owner can pay our people minimum wage, to make a business look like it supports our people we sit down and stfu. And honestly, as someone who's been a PJ/slash recovering weavaholic who is always falling off the wagon, hiring our people is a very recent thing and is only done in the bigger BSS at least IME.

I can tell by your postings @sckri23, that you are in your early 20's. I say that because I have sisters in that age group and that's when the color blind society lie became really strong. Even though I'm in my late 20's (and I will keep claiming that until 12:01 on my next b-day lol), there was a stronger sense of trying to grow as a community in the early to mid nineties that your age group missed. Hip-hop had the deep artists, people wore African prints, movies about the civil rights era came out as regularly as movies about the hood, and we were coming up right behind the struggle with parents who remembered it first hand. Other pan-african people have the sense to bond as a community and come to the white man from a point of economic strengths. That's all the old boys society will ever understand. Until we as a people, as black american, learn to join our pan african brothers and sisters in creating a position of power, instead calling our people racist when they discuss taking money from a group that only hears it when you hit their pockets (why do you really think the Alabama bus boycotts worked? Because they didn't want to see us walking?), then we will always look like the weaker people.

******Diatribe over. Ya'll done made me put the phone away and pull out the laptop lol.***********

Maybe I dont understand cause I grew up with white ppl im a spoiled ***** never stepped foot in the ghetto until this year and I didnt leave the house until 4 months later when I got a car so Im spoiled but I dont understand why ppl puttin words in my mouth.

I say "I support everybody and gonna buy my products where I can get it" and somehow that translates to "Im not gonna support black businesses"? I dont like words bein put in my mouth and thats the only reason im heated.

What I said is what I said!!! Dont twist it up, dont interprete it as different way, I say it in plain english I want it to be understood in plain english.

I SUPPORT EVERYBODY AND WHERE MY PRODUCTS ARE IS WHERE IM GONNA GO TO GET IT. I dont get how somebody got "i dont support black businesses" from that. I really dont.

 

[keenyme]

Maybe I dont understand cause I grew up with white ppl im a spoiled ***** never stepped foot in the ghetto until this year and I didnt leave the house until 4 months later when I got a car so Im spoiled but I dont understand why ppl puttin words in my mouth.

I say "I support everybody and gonna buy my products where I can get it" and somehow that translates to "Im not gonna support black businesses"? I dont like words bein put in my mouth and thats the only reason im heated.

What I said is what I said!!! Dont twist it up, dont interprete it as different way, I say it in plain english I want it to be understood in plain english.

I SUPPORT EVERYBODY AND WHERE MY PRODUCTS ARE IS WHERE IM GONNA GO TO GET IT. I dont get how somebody got "i dont support black businesses" from that. I really dont.

if you support ppl who are deliberately harming black businesses, you don't support blakc businesses. how can you do both?!

 

[irisak]

Maybe I dont understand cause I grew up with white ppl im a spoiled ***** never stepped foot in the ghetto until this year and I didnt leave the house until 4 months later when I got a car so Im spoiled but I dont understand why ppl puttin words in my mouth.

I say "I support everybody and gonna buy my products where I can get it" and somehow that translates to "Im not gonna support black businesses"? I dont like words bein put in my mouth and thats the only reason im heated.

What I said is what I said!!! Dont twist it up, dont interprete it as different way, I say it in plain english I want it to be understood in plain english.

I SUPPORT EVERYBODY AND WHERE MY PRODUCTS ARE IS WHERE IM GONNA GO TO GET IT. I dont get how somebody got "i dont support black businesses" from that. I really dont.

I grew up with white people too. Went to high school with so few black people we could sit at a lunch table together and that included the latinos lol. I got what you were saying and I see your point of view so no shade. Most of my post was directed at the entire race not one member of it.

 

[sckri23]

Big sister . Nobody is attacking you honey. I know I for one and I do this with my little sisters IRL too was just trying to make you understand that this thread at least for me is beyond shopping at a black BSS, or buying a brush straight from Korea. It's about how we as a people need to get it together and the topic will of course center around the black hair care industry on a black hair care board. Hell it's where a good chunk of my disposable income goes lol.

Links have been posted all through this thread telling you about black owned companies. If you want to support them then go ahead and buy something from one of them. If you're tired of people talking to you, you can just stop responding.

Sorry I didnt mean to get upset but someone twisting my words and trying to use it against me kinda gets to me because it happens all the time. I really didnt mean to continue an argument I shoulda stayed away from this thread anyway.

 

[sckri23]

if you support ppl who are deliberately harming black businesses, you don't support blakc businesses. how can you do both?!

Ima say this calmly ok. pizza hut and dominos compete and they probably use some underhanded tricks but goin to both for different deals doesnt mean your betraying either one...

 

[sckri23]

I grew up with white people too. Went to high school with so few black people we could sit at a lunch table together and that included the latinos lol. I got what you were saying and I see your point of view so no shade. Most of my post was directed at the entire race not one member of it.

I know that post was for everyone and I mean e.v.e.r.y.o.n.e. that says im young and dont get it. I gave them a reason for my shades of gray.

 

[larry3344]

sckri23 people are just very excited and frustrated by the subject it is no personal attack on you

 

[keenyme]

Ima say this calmly ok. pizza hut and dominos compete and they probably use some underhanded tricks but goin to both for different deals doesnt mean your betraying either one...

pizza hut and dominos both have equal access to the pizza making industry. the cheese and tomato sellers aren't practically giving their stuff away to pizza hut while damn near making dominos promise their first born for the same stuff.

you're either being deliberately obtuse, or severely lacking in analytical skills. i guess non hood schools don't teach that either.

 

[larry3344]

keenyme a little harsh dont you think I am extremely passionate on the subject but to throw insults come on ladies let's not fight

 

[keenyme]

keenyme a little harsh dont you think I am extremely passionate on the subject but to throw insults come on ladies let's not fight

i don't consider it an insult. just an observation.

several ppl have explained the same thing, and she still doesn't get. her analogy PROVES that she has no idea what ppl are trying to get across.

 

[irisak]

@keenyme a little harsh dont you think I am extremely passionate on the subject but to throw insults come on ladies let's not fight

Yeah that last sentence was bordering on e-fighting. Everyone "relax, relate, release" "woo woo woo". Sorry I was watching 90's marathons all weekend while packing lol.

 

[sckri23]

pizza hut and dominos both have equal access to the pizza making industry. the cheese and tomato sellers aren't practically giving their stuff away to pizza hut while damn near making dominos promise their first born for the same stuff.

you're either being deliberately obtuse, or severely lacking in analytical skills. i guess non hood schools don't teach that either.

Ok you missed YOUR point now. You asked me how can I support 2 businesses when one is trying to bring the other down? I answered by sayin that 2 businesses will do anything possible to get customers and supporting both is not wrong. You got into the details and whatnot but the fact of the matter is I answered your question perfectly. I cant help if you (STILL) dont understand.

 

[sckri23]

keenyme a little harsh dont you think I am extremely passionate on the subject but to throw insults come on ladies let's not fight

Im calmed down and im tryin to stay calm, I answered questions without anger and im really doin good right now.

 

[sckri23]

i don't consider it an insult. just an observation.

several ppl have explained the same thing, and she still doesn't get. her analogy PROVES that she has no idea what ppl are trying to get across.

We need more black businesses I get it im not dumb I was an honor student. Buuuutt,,,,,, if you want to change that open your own storeeeeee!!!!!