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It seems to me that the only time that 4a/b hair is accepted is when it's long. If it's a short 'fro then the Black men where I'm from will dismiss you, but when a woman has kinky, but long hair then it's "ok".
I agree 100% with this.dicapr said:I think if you go natural to prove a point you've missed the boat. You should be natural because you want to and you should relax if you want to.
hotshot said:Forgive me, but an earlier poster said she thinks looser-curled-hair gives "bonus points" to darker-skinned ladies. I'm sure there are women who believe that. In this vein, I think some people use straight hair as a crutch; it gives them "points" and masks other areas where they may be insecure {weight, complexion, height, facial features, class, etc}.
JCoily said:See, I live in Southern California and my perception is that a toned body trumps a hairstyle any day.
i feel you, im just saying to believe that ABOUT YOURSELF is sad. To consciously or subconsciously believe straight or curly hair will make up the fact that I'm overweight, brownskinned, working class,etc. . .well. . .that's sad to think there is something you have to compensate for.JCoily said:That was me.
Here's the thing. Consider this: Ananda Lewis, Chili from TLC, Tatiana Ali, Kelis, Rachel True. Let's be really real here, Are these women known for their good looks/talent or for their hair? I don't think any of them would would get looked at twice if their hair wasn't outside the 'expectations' of 'typical' (i.e., permed or kinky) black girl hair.
I'm not saying that it's right or wrong. I'm just saying that 'it is'.
so1913 said:Co-signing Sally dropping in...
Soledo, you've made excellent comments in your last two post.
In regards to the bolded part, July 4th weekend this occurred...I have a friend who's hair is breaking off TERRIBLY due to over processing, it looks horrible. Another MALE friend and I suggested to her that she should take a break and try the natural route, at least to grow her hair out healthy and recover. I ask her can her natural hair look that much worse than her broken off, damaged realxed hair???
Her response....
"I can't, my hair is nappy, I don't have hair like yours, I got that N*GGER hair (hee hee)"
I BLEW UP on her, I was offended by it, she really didn't see what was wrong with what she said and kept on giggling about her comments....
How I interpreted it was that in her mind her natural, unstraightened hair made her a "N", that's the term she associated her natural hair with.
This is the mindset she has as well as others, and not to offend anyone by this, it seems like a common mindset of people in the south from my personal experience (she's from NC, I went to school in the south). Like you said, wish the mindset would change, but I don't think WE will let it.
lauren450 said:Oh man. I can't tell you how much that attitude bugs me. I'm relaxed, but I don't think natural hair is ugly, and I always get on my niece about that. I stretch now, and many times, my edges and roots are nappy. I'm no longer bothered by this, but whenever my niece (15 yrs old) sees me, she's all "Ooh, it's about that time isn't it?" and "Don't you love my hair? I just got it permed. Isn't it pretty?". I can't stand it.
I have nothing against relaxers, obviously, but I hate the mindset that some people have that if you let one centimeter of your nappiness show, your hair is jacked up. Like I tell my niece, technically, our hair is supposed to be nappy. Whether you choose to wear it otherwise is your business, but to act like nappy hair is the plague? Not cool.
RelaxerRehab said:I sincerely ask this without being a smart-aleck....
Do you think your message to your niece about natural hair may be slightly "clouded" by your relaxed texture? It's like your niece is being faulted for liking her relaxed her, i.e., your response of "I can't stand it"....
I'm just saying that it may be more difficult/less credible to advocate one thing while doing the opposite of that thing... or maybe not, I don't know that's why I'm putting it out there in a candid, honest way....
RelaxerRehab said:I sincerely ask this without being a smart-aleck....
Do you think your message to your niece about natural hair may be slightly "clouded" by your relaxed texture? It's like your niece is being faulted for liking her relaxed her, i.e., your response of "I can't stand it"....
I'm just saying that it may be more difficult/less credible to advocate one thing while doing the opposite of that thing... or maybe not, I don't know that's why I'm putting it out there in a candid, honest way....
Cooyah said:Not to speak for Lauren450, but this is what i interpreted. I pulled away that her niece is thinking that the relaxer is some sort of God sent that is a right of passage as opposed to a styling option, which is what lauren uses it for, not because she hates her naps but because she chooses to do something else with them.
Whereas her niece see's her hair and think OH SHOOT a nap is showing let me grab my relaxer, whereas lauren's attitude is one of aw damn i'm only 12 weeks in my stretching let me see if I can make it to 13. Her niece is probably conditioned like a lot of yound women today to think that naps/kinks/coils are "bad" and laurens is trying to educate her.
Sorry to speak for you Lauren450, but that is what i interpret. please clarify.
mahogany66 said:I understand where you are coming from but I choose not to be in box and judge people by how they wear their HAIR . I feel that being 'In-tuned" with yourself has more to do with your mentality and not what you choose to put in your hair once it comes out of your scalp... I could never PITY someone because they choose to STAY relaxed there is too much going on in the world to be concerned with something sooo small. There are alot of GREAT woman who choose to relax who does not DESERVE pity!!!
lauren450 said:I can't stand her thinking that her natural naps are ugly, not that she relaxes her hair. I love my relaxed hair, and think it's beautiful, but I also love my naps. It may sound contradictory, but I think that's what many naturals don't get. It's possible for relaxed women to like natural hair, and just decide they like to wear their hair straight. But my niece is not one of those people.
So to me, the fact that she's relaxed doesn't bother me at all. It's the fact that she thinks anything else is ugly that bothers me.
So, to answer your question, I don't know for sure, but I doubt it. She knows I'm unashamed of having newgrowth, and that I don't feel the need to relax my hair as soon as a nap is detected, and that I don't relax bone straight. She also sees that my daughter is natural and staying that way. I think she just feels her hair has to be bone straight to be beautiful, and she definitely doesn't get that from me, or her mom, or my mom.
mahogany66 said:I understand where you are coming from but I choose not to be in box and judge people by how they wear their HAIR . I feel that being 'In-tuned" with yourself has more to do with your mentality and not what you choose to put in your hair once it comes out of your scalp... I could never PITY someone because they choose to STAY relaxed there is too much going on in the world to be concerned with something sooo small. There are alot of GREAT woman who choose to relax who does not DESERVE pity!!!
RelaxerRehab said:I do feel pity (defined as sympathy and sorrow aroused by the misfortune or suffering of another)for those people who may only know life with only relaxed hair because they would not have the opportunity to experience their hair in its full natural state. I do pity someone who got their hair relaxed at 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 years old (like me at 7 years old) because that straight hair mentality gets programed into the mind at such an early age. It is that same programming says that my hair in its natural state is unworthy, and that simply is untrue.
So I do not apologize for my statements, and that is why I advocate the conscious decision to relax at an age-appropriate time. And as was said in this thread, everyone should go through at least one transition to natural so that they can have that experience and that should they decide to relax again, they are doing so with a conscious mind.
MizaniMami said:Everyone is making very valid points.
It would be nice to hear from some other relaxed heads. I wonder why during these posts relaxed heads avoid them like the plaque It would be nice to hear some relaxed points of views.
caligurl said:I disagree with you on two points. One: I was relaxed at age 10, but not because I was programmed to believe that kinky hair was bad. Honestly at 10 I don't think I was that deep. I was relaxed because it was my mothers choice not mine. Just like I couldn't decide what to wear until I was 12. My mother is natural by the way.
Two: I don't agree that everyone should be natural once. If you don't want to be natural don't be natural. There is nothing wrong with a person preferring straight hair.
I myself have been relaxed, natural, blond, a red head, had a weave, braids, etc. Hair is an accessory... an extension of how I feel that day. I feel like your reading way too much into this issue. Maybe I just don't have the issues that you think all black women have. It is just hair! I think there a lot of women who also feel this way.
caligurl said:I disagree with you on two points. One: I was relaxed at age 10, but not because I was programmed to believe that kinky hair was bad. Honestly at 10 I don't think I was that deep. I was relaxed because it was my mothers choice not mine. Just like I couldn't decide what to wear until I was 12. My mother is natural by the way.
Two: I don't agree that everyone should be natural once. If you don't want to be natural don't be natural. There is nothing wrong with a person preferring straight hair.
I myself have been relaxed, natural, blond, a red head, had a weave, braids, etc. Hair is an accessory... an extension of how I feel that day. I feel like your reading way too much into this issue. Maybe I just don't have the issues that you think all black women have. It is just hair! I think there a lot of women who also feel this way.
JazzyDez said:I think that the ability to transition is based on the person themselves and where we are at mentally, emotionally, psychologically with acceptance of our hair, and ourselves the way God created us.
firecracker said:Natural or relaxed. Its a choice. Thank goodness we live in a world where we have choices. No one has to ever see their natural hair if they choose not to. For who and for what?
RelaxerRehab said:I compare this to someone who had never left their childhood home, block, city, state, etc. There's more to see, know, do and experience...and it builds: 1) a greater appreciation for the familiar, and/or 2) provides an opportunity to know there's plenty of room to expand hair options.
I do not share these points in an air of negativity but as a point of passionate encouragement.