"It’s about women who have enough value and respect for themselves"

Kb3auty

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my first thread, I'm so excited! :yep::look::yep:

I found some interesting articles online. This one is really good. it's based on the book "Why Men love *****es".

the blogger states "It’s about women who have enough value and respect for themselves to not fall into the trap of being their partner’s doormat."

do you think this is relevant to dating today?

for those who are married, during the times you were dating, have you put any of these steps into action, has it worked or not?

Do you plan on trying any of these? If you do, please come back and report if any of these steps work after trying it out, and what was the guys response.

you are welcome to give scenarios, Ask questions about situations, or a time when you tried one or a number of these steps and it didn't or it did work for you.

Bump!!!!

100 Attraction Principles, from Why Men Love *****es

by: Love, Ashley

1. Anything a person chases in life runs away.


2. The women who have the men climbing the walls for them aren’t always exceptional. Often, they are the ones who don’t appear to care too much.


3. A woman is perceived as offering a mental challenge to the degree that a man doesn’t feel he has a 100 percent hold on her.


4. Sometimes a man deliberately won’t call, just to see how you’ll respond.


5. If you start out dependent, it turns him off. But if it is something he can’t have, it becomes more of a challenge for him to get it.


6. It is your attitude about yourself that a man will adopt.


7. Act like a prize and you’ll turn him into a believer.


8. The biggest variable between a ***** and a woman who is too nice is fear. The ***** shows that she’s not afraid to be without him.


9. If the choice is between her dignity and having a relationship, the ***** will prioritize her dignity above all else.


10. When a woman doesn’t give in easily and doesn’t appear docile or submissive, it becomes more stimulating to obtain her.


11. Being right on the verge of getting something generates a desire that has to be satisfied.


12. A man knows which woman will give in to last-minute requests.


13. Whether you have terms and conditions indicates whether you have options. Almost immediately, you present yourself as a doormat or a dreamgirl.


14. If you smother him, he’ll go into defense mode and look for an escape route to protect his freedom.


15. Whenever a woman requires too many things from a man, he’ll resent it. Let him give what he wants to give freely; then observe who he is.


16. A ***** gives a man plenty of space so he doesn’t fear being trapped in a cage. Then..he sets out to trap her in his.


17. If you tell him you are not interested in jumping into a relationship with both feet, he will set out to try to change your mind.


18. Always give the appearance that he has plenty of space. It gets him to drop his guard.


19. More than anything else, he watches to see if you’ll be too emotionally dependent on him.


20. He must feel that you choose to be with him, not that you need to be with him. Only then will he perceive you as an equal partner.


21. If a man has to wait before he sleeps with a woman, he’ll not only perceive her as more beautiful, he’ll also take him time to appreciate who she is.


22. Sex and the “spark” are not one and the same.


23. Before sex, a man isn’t thinking clearly and a woman is thinking clearly. After sex, it reverses. The man is thinking clearly and the woman isn’t.


24. Every man wants to have sex first; whether he wants a girlfriend is something he thinks about later. By not giving him what he wants up front, you become his girlfriend without him realizing it.


25. A man intuitively senses whether sexuality comes from a place of security or from a place of neediness. He knows when a woman is having sex to appease him.


26. Bad habits are easier to form than good ones, because good habits require conscious effort. Waiting encourages this effort.


27. If you pull the sexual plug at the last minute, he’ll label you a tease.


28. If he makes you feel insecure, let your insecurity be your guide.


29. A quality guy fantasizes about a woman who genuinely loves sex.


30. Any time a woman competes with another woman, she demeans herself.


31. When there is that undeniable “spark,” there is only one key to the lock.


32. Let him think he’s in control. He’ll automatically start doing things you want done because he’ll always want to look like “a king” in your eyes.


33. When you cater to his ego in a soft way, he doesn’t try to get power in an aggressive way.


34. When you appear softer and more feminine, you appeal to his instinct to protect. When you appear more aggressive, you appeal to his instinct to compete.


35. He’ll let a woman who becomes his doormat pay for dinner on the first couple of dates, but he wouldn’t think of it with his dreamgirl.


36. The token power position is for public display, but the true power position is for private viewing only. And this is the only one that matters.


37. If you give him a feeling of power, he’ll want to protect you and he’ll want to give you the world.


38. When a woman acts as though she’s capable of everything, she gets stuck doing everything.


39. Men don’t respond to words. They respond to no contact.


40. Talking about the “relationship” too much takes away the element of the “unknown” and thus the mystery.


41. Men respect women who communicate in a succinct way, because it’s the language men use to talk to one another.


42. When you are always HAPPY; And he is always free to GO; he feels LUCKY.


43. If you allow your rhythm to be interrupted, you’ll create a void. Then, to replace what you give up, you’ll start to expect and need more from your partner.


44. Most women are starving to receive something from a man that they need to give to themselves.


45. A woman looks more secure in a man’s eyes when he can’t pull her away from her life, because she is content with her life.


46. The second a woman works overtime to make herself fit his criteria, she has lowered the standard of that relationship.


47. You jump through hoops any time you repeatedly make it very obvious you’re giving your “all.”


48. You have to keep from being sucked down into quicksand. Unless you maintain control over yourself, the relationship is doomed.


49. Jumping through hoops often has a negative outcome: He sees it as an opportunity to have his cake and eat it, too. But when you stay just outside his reach, he’ll stay on his best behavior.


50. The nice girl gives away too much of herself when pleasing him regularly becomes more important than pleasing herself.


 
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51. The relationship may not be right for you if you find yourself jumping through hoops. When something is right, it will feel easier and much more effortless.

52. When you nag, he tunes you out. But when you speak with your actions, he pays attention.

53. When a man takes a woman for granted, he still looks for reassurance that she is still “right there.”

54. When the routine becomes predictable, he’s more likely to give you the same type of love he had for his mother–and the odds that he will take you for granted increase.

55. Negative attention is still attention. It lets a man know that he has you–right where he wants you.

56. When you treat him casually as though he’s a friend, he’ll come your way. Because he wants things to be romantic, but he also wants to be the pursuer.

57. A little distance combined with the appearance of self-control makes him nervous that he may be losing you.

58. A man takes a woman for granted when he’s interested, but will no longer go out of his way.

59. When you nag, you become the problem, and he deals with it by tuning you out. But when you don’t nag, he deals with the problem.

60. If you take his chores away from him and praise someone else for doing it, he’ll want his chores back.

61. When you nag, he sees weakness.

62. He perceives an emotional woman as more of a pushover.

63. In the same way that familiarity breeds contempt, a slightly aloof demeanor can often renew his respect.

64. He’ll forget what he has in you, unless you remind him.

65. Many women talk a lot out of nervousness–which is something that men will often perceive as insecurity.

66. Talking about feelings to a man will feel like work. When he’s with a woman, he wants it to feel like fun.

67. Forcing him to talk about feelings all the time will not only make you seem needy, it will eventually make him lose respect. And when he loses respect, he’ll pay even less attention to your feelings.

68. In the beginning, the only thing you need to pay attention to is whether he keeps coming around, because he’ll only be able to suspend or hide his emotions for so long.

69. Men treat women the way they treat other men. They “play it cool: because they don’t want to appear weak or desperate.

70. The element of suprise both inside and outside of the bedroom is important to men, and it adds to the excitement.

71. Don’t always do the same thing over and over in the bedroom. Vary it so that it doesn’t become a predictable routine.

72. Most men tend to disrespect a woman who appears to be too malleable.

73. Don’t be afraid to stand up for yourself or speak your mind. It will not only earn his respect, in some cases it will even turn him on.

74. Men often automatically assume that a *****ier woman will be more assertive in bed, and that a nice girl will be more timid.

75. When a man falls in love, suddenly he’ll go out of his way and think nothing of it. He’ll do things for this woman he wouldn’t have done for anyone else.

76. He’ll never respect you as being able to hold your own unless you can stand on your own too feet financially.

77. You have to show that you won’t accept mistreatment. Then you will keep his respect.

78. Your pink slip is maintained when you can stand on your own–with him or without him. He should never feel that you are completely as his mercy.

79. When a man views a woman as a “little girl” or a sister he has to take care of, the passion diminishes. He doesn’t want to make love to his sister.

80. The ability to choose how you want to live, and the ability to choose how you want to be treated are the two things that give you more power than any material object ever will.

81. In a relationship of any kind, if one person feels the other person isn’t bringing anything to the table, he or she will begin to disrespect that person.

82. Financial neediness is no different than emotional neediness; in both instances, he can still get the feeling that he has a 100 percent hold on you.

83. Regardless of how pretty a woman is, looks alone will not sustain his respect. Appearance may pull him in, but it is your independence that will keep him turned on.

84. When a man is very consumed with not being taken advantage of, this is a sign that he’s “on the take.”

85. People will show you they have self-respect simply by virtue of the fact that they want to carry their own weight.

86. The more independent you are of him, the more interested he will be.

87. If you make it too obvious that you’re excited to get something, some people will be tempted to dangle a carrot in front of your face.

88. When you alter the routine, your not being there is what will make him come around. Men don’t respond to words. What they respond to is no contact.

89. Don’t give a reward for bad behavior.

90. He simply won’t respect a woman who automatically goes into overdrive to please him.

91. If he doesn’t give you a time, you don’t have a date.

92. Often the best way to adjust or fix the problem is by not letting him know it’s being fixed. When you alter your availability or change a predictable routine, it will mentally pull him back in.

93. Once you start laughing, you start healing.

94. You can get away with saying much more with humor than you can with a straight face.

95. A man feels he’s won, or conqured a woman, when she eats out of the palm of his hand. At which point, he begins to get bored.

96. The tension that arises with a slightly *****y woman gives a subtle feeling of danger to a man. He feels slightly unsure because she is never in the palm of his hand.

97. A “yes” woman who gives too much sends the impression that she belives in the man more than she believes in herself. Men view this as weakness not kindness.

98. Be an independent thinker at all times, and ignore anyone who attempts to define you in a limiting way.

99. Truly powerful people don’t explain why they want respect. They simply don’t engage someone who doesn’t give it to them.

100. The most attractive quality of all is dignity.
 
I read this book when I was going to Haiti in July. This book is why I dumped the man I was seeing. I was too nice (AKA a doormat) and going through all of these hoops. Thanks for this thread.
 
Lucie said:
I read this book when I was going to Haiti in July. This book is why I dumped the man I was seeing. I was too nice (AKA a doormat) and going through all of these hoops. Thanks for this thread.

Lucie. I was there in July!!!! Awww man....

I see some value in this book- I adjusted some behaviors.
It's a fun sociological experiment.
We'll see how it plays out...
 
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Ty OP! Never read this book but after reading these points I guess....I'm one of these itches. LOL Probably why SO is still with me. And to think I used to assume he was crazy doing the stuff he was doing. Nope, it was my itchiness!
 
gabulldawg said:
I bought wmmb shortly after I met dh. It was eye opening.

Hey Gab.
Is it worth buying if I have WMLB?
I heard from members of the board that its the same.
 
As I a married woman, I often refer back to this book and believe me it works.

I have always said I was the ***** when I met Dh. I had a life and options and he knew it. Very good list!

I agree I like #44 as well.:yep:
 
While I don't agree all these points apply to all men, I do think self worth will help you not have trouble with men. I don't follow any system as I believe self esteem/worth is adequate enough to ensure next to 100% positive experiences with men/no serious heartbreak. The way that you naturally act in this state of mind repells stupid men (they are attracted but don't bother trying), makes good men fall quickly and encourages serious offers of commitment.
 
Vanthie said:
While I don't agree all these points apply to all men, I do think self worth will help you not have trouble with men. I don't follow any system as I believe self esteem/worth is adequate enough to ensure next to 100% positive experiences with men/no serious heartbreak. The way that you naturally act in this state of mind repells stupid men (they are attracted but don't bother trying), makes good men fall quickly and encourages serious offers of commitment.

I like this thinking Vanthie :)
 
I actually plan to buy this book BECAUSE I'm getting married. I've employed most of them but it really seems like good common sense things to apply:yep:

Married men can get very comfortable, like I got this. And a wife can easily get used to sacrificing for the family. Everyone in the house needs to understand how valuable and important you are. Husband and kids will walk all over you if you let them. I like to describe myself as a sweet B. if you are too nice to almost anyone they will take advantage and take you for granted, human nature unfortunately for most people. Most of us are naturally nice but it's important to exercise your B muscle too -- makes you more interesting and happier.
 
I actually plan to buy this book BECAUSE I'm getting married. I've employed most of them but it really seems like good common sense things to apply:yep:

I agree with you, some of those items are common sense things to apply, however, as women we try to be nice, and we end up compromising ourselves and values for the sake of a man. We sometimes forget that the man is the one who needs us, not the other way around, a lot of women give in to men so they can keep the man. Some of us may not know how to keep the man from walking over us. So this list comes in handy, for any situation in dating, or marriage and can be refereed to anytime.
 
I've noticed this because it separates the scrubs from the real things. I remember when I was on a date with a 'scrub' I told him my standardsand after hearing them he said,'aren't they too high?' I laughed my way outta that restaurant. :lol: And occasionally he still tries to make contact. Nah son, ya struck out.:lol:
 
I've noticed this because it separates the scrubs from the real things. I remember when I was on a date with a 'scrub' I told him my standardsand after hearing them he said,'aren't they too high?' I laughed my way outta that restaurant. :lol: And occasionally he still tries to make contact. Nah son, ya struck out.:lol:

yes it does, hahahahah..... well i guess he can stick to his doormat chicks. seriously, does he think a woman with value is going to stand for just anything? he needs to go somewhere with his epic-fail.com self.
anything worth working for, is worth having and keeping!

good for you, i would have walked out of there too. That reminds me of this guy that took me out, first date, this man looked like he just rolled out of bed, drove like a maniac. I gave him a piece of my mind while he was driving though. i guess since we are co-workers he figured he can wear what ever he wanted, i don't think so, i took the time to get prettied up, he better put some effort into it. So we get to the restaurant, i ordered, ate and enjoyed my meal, on him of course. Right after i was like take me home, I'm done, i know that was kinda rough but, now he knows better. He still calls from time to time, I'm like no thank you. Go learn how to treat a lady then come talk to me. He tried to bring up an excuse that he is not from this country yadiyadiya..... i told him i don't take excuses, we have the world wide web, you know how to read, you went to school. And that was the end of my convo with him!
 
Love this list. I really love the one about how men don't respond to words. They respond to no contact.

I also agree that they don't respect you if you can't stand on your own two feet financially. That's why some comments around here about women playing financial damsel in distress with dudes they aren't even in a relationship with make me give the side-eye. Dudes don't respect that.
 
Thanks for the bump. I would love to hear from women who have mastered the art of being capable, yet still receive the protector spirit from the men in their lives. This is something I have struggled with my entire adult life, starting with my father and has extended into my relationships, so I gather the issue is me, but I don't know how to fix it. I am not " ms. independent" w/ my words, but I guess I am in actions.

My friends who keep protector men around really do have some sort of drama going on in their lives( can' t make rent, car that keeps breaking down) all the time and men respond to it. That just isn't my life and I am so grateful for that, however, since l "appear" to have things together, I get a somewhat masculine "you got this" vibe from men.

Outside of creating fake drama to be rescued from, any thoughts on what I could do differently?
 
Being "covered" is essential IMO within a marriage in particular, but also within a devoted relationship. I too have struggled with this. Kinda like cover me, I want to be covered, but... My father was abusive, so no covering there. Mom was sweet, but not protective, so again no covering. It has taken me years to accept my husband's covering. There is a level of surrender and vulnerability that takes place in order to be covered and for ladies like us it's downright scary. I realized that I am always afraid of being hurt or disappointed, always. So I began praying that God encourage dh to cover me, show him how to give me what I wanted and needed, and show me how to truly be his helpmate and the wife he needed/wanted. Almost immediately, he began to cover me and it was scary. I could feel parts of me wanting to push back and be strong and independent, but I resisted that fear, just keep walking through it and let him cover me. I am so much happier. A woman should never marry a man who doesn't desire or have the capacity to cover her IMO.

Also, it's not about fake drama, it's about letting someone in, accepting that you need help, support, protection (physically, spiritually, and emotionally).
 
Men dont respond to words they respond to action.

So true.
I am the type of person that spells things out over and over. I'm learning that this comes across as nagging, where i thought i was just being upfront about my expectations. I'm learning that good men know how to treat their women and if i'm not being treated the way i want after succintly stating my needs, it's not because he doesn't get it, but simply because he can't be bothered.
 
Being "covered" is essential IMO within a marriage in particular, but also within a devoted relationship. I too have struggled with this. Kinda like cover me, I want to be covered, but... My father was abusive, so no covering there. Mom was sweet, but not protective, so again no covering. It has taken me years to accept my husband's covering. There is a level of surrender and vulnerability that takes place in order to be covered and for ladies like us it's downright scary. I realized that I am always afraid of being hurt or disappointed, always. So I began praying that God encourage dh to cover me, show him how to give me what I wanted and needed, and show me how to truly be his helpmate and the wife he needed/wanted. Almost immediately, he began to cover me and it was scary. I could feel parts of me wanting to push back and be strong and independent, but I resisted that fear, just keep walking through it and let him cover me. I am so much happier. A woman should never marry a man who doesn't desire or have the capacity to cover her IMO.

Also, it's not about fake drama, it's about letting someone in, accepting that you need help, support, protection (physically, spiritually, and emotionally).

Tx hopeful. Your advice always comes across very heartfelt. :)
 
This book is very overwhelming as I have unconsciousuly lived my life as the nice girl/doormat. I thought that it was how things were supposed to go in that men adore some women while sh!tting on others. It challenges me to revamp how I handle and deal with men. It's a learning process and I am making rookie mistakes at the age of 25.Smh what I am learning is self love and worth. To love and respect myself enough to not let a man runover me. And to not give my all to an undesrving jerk. I've got a ways to go.
 
I totally forgot I subscribed to this thread! It's right on time too. My last relationship didn't work out. I was too accommodating and I settled. I think he could sense it too. I ended up being the doormat and I left the relationship with my self esteem in shambles.

I told myself I would never repeat that cycle again. It stops now. I always thought men wanted a good girl who did everything they wanted but they don't. They want someone who won't put up with their foolery and will walk away at any given moment. In order to keep that person they'll have to change.

You have to know your worth because these men are not going to tell you. They treat you how you treat yourself. I know what I want in a man. I love myself too much to put someone else first who doesn't even fit the mold.

To any ladies struggling to find that balance between being selfless and selfish, remember that these men just aren't that important. They are not so important that you have to go out your way for them. When you're just doing you, there's nothing else needed. Men will recognize it and behave accordingly.
 
Bumping. Would love to hear from you ladies who mastered the ideals presented in this book. My problem is that im so dang clingy. Its not so much that id do anything for a man just to satisfy him or keep him but more of something that i like to do for myself. I want to call them everyday and spend hrs on the phone. And if they want to do something at the last minute i would want to go not for them but because i would rather spend time with them than anything else.
 
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