CurlyNikki Responds

[MissC320]

And it's comments like this that's going to keep Becky and 'em trying to get in. Makes us look like a bunch of discriminatory bitter ol' ABW. What about women that have been natural for years and are a part of the NHM and then they decide to relax for styling reasons? We kick them out? Come on now. Ridiculous. Not everyone that has a relaxer hates their natural hair you know. And the fact remains, no matter how hard Becky's hair is to manage she won't be getting a relaxer and will never understand why that is even something considered. A relaxed BLACK woman would. I can't believe how all of these threads have lost focus. Got people in here talking about relaxed heads don't belong. P.S. I'm natural btw.

Huh? How? I'm NATURAL. You can't run around telling people they can't be on a team you aren't even on. If you permanently alter your hair texture you aren't natural. You can cheer from the side lines but that's it.

 

[MissC320]

I understand where your coming from, however, we need to come together as a people and embrace each other without fear of discrimination against each other. That's out problem. Not hair, but our state of thinking and it's crippling us. No one has to know your reason for relaxing or being natural, the fact is that we all go through the same struggle and discrimination and we shouldn't have to deal with it from each other. I know what it's like to be natural, I've been there. Does it make me less of a black person that I don't want to deal with it but will support my natural sisters? No it doesn't. Bleach blonde Becky, curly perm Becky and fire crotch Becky still help each other out at the end of the day and are getting ahead together; you think they care about who is using chemicals? No ma'am, they are not.

I understand that but "team natural" means NO permanent hair straighteners. It's about loving the hair texture you were born with. Blacks are as bad as whites about hair texture discrimination.
I'm all for us helping each other as "black girls rock" but again... If you aren't on the team you only get to cheer from the side lines.

 

[MissC320]

Question: I'm still half relaxed, does this means that I can only halfway support the natural hair community? .....EXACTLY! Support is support. Whether its from a 2c-4c natural, A transitioner, or a Bone straight relaxed head. Let's not lose focus and turn on our own shall we. Please and Thanks

Uuuuhhh you didn't even wait for my response. team natural is for transitioners who are growing out natural hair to wear and style in public. Why is everyone acting so obtuse? I'm not saying I want to see WW on a site designed for BW. Team Natural is about loving the hair you were born with. You weren't born with relaxed hair. ;-)

 

[Brwnbeauti]

Were there any relaxed ladies in here caping for Becky? Did I miss something?

 

[Saludable84]

I understand that but "team natural" means NO permanent hair straighteners. It's about loving the hair texture you were born with. Blacks are as bad as whites about hair texture discrimination. I'm all for us helping each other as "black girls rock" but again... If you aren't on the team you only get to cheer from the side lines.

So I should cheer you on, but not have a say on how it affects my people? I should be disrespected but not have a feeling about it because you have an Afro and I don't? You have a right to be more passionate about it that me, meanwhile your criticizing people who are supporting the movement for whatever reason they feel? Instead of trying to curb ignorance?

Maybe you have no problem living on a "side line" from time to time, but I do.

You've redirected the topic just like Nikki, but from this moment on I refuse to come back in this thread. I leave it at that, because you and Nikki are not worth my time anymore.

 

[DoDo]

 

[EnExitStageLeft]

@MissC320

Huh? How? I'm NATURAL. You can't run around telling people they can't be on a team you aren't even on. If you permanently alter your hair texture you aren't natural. You can cheer from the side lines but that's it.

.....but here's the thing. THEY CAN!

Whether they alter they're hair texture has nothing to do with them supporting a cause. You seem to have confused the two.

I understand that but "team natural" means NO permanent hair straighteners. It's about loving the hair texture you were born with. Blacks are as bad as whites about hair texture discrimination.
I'm all for us helping each other as "black girls rock" but again... If you aren't on the team you only get to cheer from the side lines.

But why?

There are white women on Naturally Curly as we speak supporting us, so why shouldn't relaxed sista's? What so wrong with supporting a cause that doesn't directly affect you? What's wrong with supporting one another?

Uuuuhhh you didn't even wait for my response. team natural is for transitioners who are growing out natural hair to wear and style in public. Why is everyone acting so obtuse? I'm not saying I want to see WW on a site designed for BW. Team Natural is about loving the hair you were born with. You weren't born with relaxed hair. ;-)

My question was Rhetorical actually.

The only one that's acting obtuse in this situation is YOU. You don't seem to understand that they're not trying to impose on our community or even be apart of it for that matter. THEY'RE SUPPORTING US! Because that in the end is what we need for our message to be heard....SUPPORT!

What were trying to figure out is why YOU'RE trying to exclude someone from a cause with the same viewpoint as yourself. We all want the Natural Hair Community to remain something that glorifies and positively represent BLACK women. So whats the issue? Whether they're chemically process shouldn't be an issue. WE'RE ALL FOR THE SAME THING!

You're just not making sense to me.

 

[LdyKamz]

So I should cheer you on, but not have a say on how it affects my people? I should be disrespected but not have a feeling about it because you have an Afro and I don't? You have a right to be more passionate about it that me, meanwhile your criticizing people who are supporting the movement for whatever reason they feel? Instead of trying to curb ignorance?

Maybe you have no problem living on a "side line" from time to time, but I do.

You've redirected the topic just like Nikki, but from this moment on I refuse to come back in this thread. I leave it at that, because you and Nikki are not worth my time anymore.

Saludable84 but we're being obtuse.I'm right behind on you on rolling out of thread. And I think I'm serious this time.

 

[EnExitStageLeft]

@Saludable84

Oh no honey. YOU'RE WELCOMED! (and not on some sidelines either....whatever the hayle that means . I embrace you with my my half natural/half relaxed hair and all. Don't let ignorance, keep you from stating your opinion. Its warranted. Trust me.

KammyGirl

You need to stay too. People like you keep the REAL message surrounding this thread alive.

 

[MissC320]

Alright, I will stop feeding them...
*walks back out of thread*
O_O

 

[EnExitStageLeft]

Yeah.....We're the trolls .

 

[DoDo]

@Saludable84

Oh no honey. YOU'RE WELCOMED! (and not on some sidelines either....whatever the hayle that means . I embrace you with my my half natural/half relaxed hair and all. Don't let ignorance, keep you from stating your opinion. Its warranted. Trust me.

KammyGirl

You need to stay too. People like you keep the REAL message surrounding this thread alive.

Thanks could not EVER be enough!!!

EnExitStageLeft was in my head! Don't go, you are Black women who share the struggle, we are sisters in this and your opinions are valued . Please don't forget it, .

 

[DoDo]

Yeah.....We're the trolls .

In my comment I do believe it said Troll, in the singular . I am not sure where the confusion came from...

 

[LdyKamz]

And I'm natural. I just don't like hearing stuff like that. We are always talking about being divided and we can't even come together to keep Becky out. That's not cool. I'm a natural that is all for every single black woman supporting and being involved in the NHM.

Chile them ww laughing at us. Where sunnieb at? If I spelled her username wrong someone correct me and get her in here. Lol

 

[EnExitStageLeft]

DoDo

She's clearly confused overall, so I'm not surprised.

 

[TamaraShaniece]

I'm so confused. There is something that I don't get concerning this movement.

Curly hair in General is unacceptable in western beauty. When I read the Curly Girls Guide, she looked white to me, even the white lady on the cover, but black women still used her method.

I feel like shade is thrown to black, Spanish, etc for having easier natural hair. I love YTber MoKnowsBest. She doesn't have my hair texture but I love her tutorials.

I don't know about this whole sell out stuff but a woman is a woman no matter their ethnicity or hair texture. We have a lot more history behind our hair but WW w/ curly hair have hair issues too. We shouldn't force them out as was done to us.

 

[ezina]

When natural hair becomes a lifestyle and not merely a movement, and we as black women fully accept it, relaxing your hair will more readily be seen as a styling choice and not something to do because of a deep-rooted hatred for black hair. It makes a lot of sense for relaxed ladies to be in this movement, because at the end of the day, this goes deeper than hair; it's about total acceptance of the black self.

 

[ezina]

I'm so confused. There is something that I don't get concerning this movement.

Curly hair in General is unacceptable in western beauty. When I read the Curly Girls Guide, she looked white to me, even the white lady on the cover, but black women still used her method.

I feel like shade is thrown to black, Spanish, etc for having easier natural hair. I love YTber MoKnowsBest. She doesn't have my hair texture but I love her tutorials.

I don't know about this whole sell out stuff but a woman is a woman no matter their ethnicity or hair texture. We have a lot more history behind our hair but WW w/ curly hair have hair issues too. We shouldn't force them out as was done to us.

That's why they have the curly hair movement. Let's not conflate the two issues.

I would say that the curly hair movement is an umbrella term for all things involving non-straight hair (regardless of race or ethnicity). The natural hair movement is a compartment under the curly hair movement that is specific to black women.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong. This is my understanding. Are the two movements completely separate with no ties whatsoever to each other?

 

[DoDo]

It's like Feminism and Black Feminism. In my opinion it works similarly.

 

[sunnieb]

KammyGirl

 

[LdyKamz]

@KammyGirl

I just felt like I couldn't give a decent argument on the subject and since I know you didn't speak your peace before, maybe you wanted the floor. LOL

 

[PJaye]

It's like Feminism and Black Feminism. In my opinion it works similarly.

I wholeheartedly agree.

Since the Feminism Movement failed to take into account the distinct needs of Black women, the Womanism Movement arose as a result of that deficiency (e.g., Feminism = the eradication of gender-based oppression versus Womanism = the eradication of class, race and gender-based oppression). Conversely, the Natural Hair Movement focused on the specific needs and issues encountered by Black women that were not being addressed within the Curly Hair Movement.

Additionally, similar to Womansim, one of the many benefits of the Natural Hair Movement is that it’s resources and solutions will provide needed assistance to others, men and women alike. However, receiving benefit from a group’s resources does not necessitate inclusion. Others can share with us and learn from us, but their participation should be marginal, at best.

 

[Femmefatal1981]

I wholeheartedly agree. Since the Feminism Movement failed to take into account the distinct needs of Black women, the Womanism Movement arose as a result of that deficiency (e.g., Feminism = the eradication of gender-based oppression versus Womanism = the eradication of class, race and gender-based oppression). Conversely, the Natural Hair Movement focused on the specific needs and issues encountered by Black women that were not being addressed within the Curly Hair Movement. Additionally, similar to Womansim, one of the many benefits of the Natural Hair Movement is that it’s resources and solutions will provide needed assistance to others, men and women alike. However, receiving benefit from a group’s resources does not necessitate inclusion. Others can share with us and learn from us, but their participation should be marginal, at best.

Now what's so hard to understand about this? Makes perfect sense.

 

[sunnieb]

I just felt like I couldn't give a decent argument on the subject and since I know you didn't speak your peace before, maybe you wanted the floor. LOL

No ma'am. I'm done with this thread and that subject. I want it to get back on topic and stop with the same old natural/relaxed bs.

Sent from my SCH-I545 using LHCF

 

[PJaye]

Now what's so hard to understand about this? Makes perfect sense.

IMO, the predominant schools of thought from those in favor of inclusion appear to be based upon feelings of affinity and kinship:

- They experience discomfort at the thought of being a part of something that does not include their white friends and family members

- They do not wish to take part in anything that seems to highlight and celebrate the Black portion of their heritage over the white portion

- They believe that a connection, a sisterhood, exists between all women; and they are unwilling to participate in any enterprise that severs or impedes upon that relationship

A smaller percentage of the dissenters are operating under the argument of increased enlightenment and tolerance. The remainder are wholly bogus and self-serving. This is what I observed at the onset of these threads, and nothing has occurred since then to modify my opinion.

 

[lovemyhair247]

The reappropriation of black culture to include or comfort those not affiliated within it is something that has gone on way too long. From music to fashion to now hair, almost every aspect of modern pop culture and trends are a reformulation of things associated with black culture. Fashion designers and magazine editors introducing cornrows, bantu knots, wave caps and African prints as "new" trends really saddens me. The texture, density and structure of my hair can not be duplicated with a teasing comb and some hair spray and has yet to be deemedor revered by Vogue. It's a distinct extension of myself that took me 12 years to appreciate and love. By going natural and accepting my hair I also began to accept that my hair won't grow out my head like Sally, Becky and Sue, I accepted that men and women alike would turn their noses up at me, I accepted that something as simple as hair would make me stand out even when I didn't necessarily want to. So until a full white women has written a tell-all bestselling story of how at the tender age of three years old her mother had to slap on a lye relaxer on top her head to deal with the toughness of her hair, then and only then will the natural hair movement be for "all". *sips tea*

 

[greenandchic]

Me too. I unsubbed from CharyJay a while back and just unsubbed to Quest for the Perfect Curl.

Not my post, shared by a lady in another forum:

In light of recent events, I thought it would be a good idea to make a thread to list the New Blacks who have sold out so I and others can unsubscribe/ stop giving them clicks. So far I know of:

Curly Nikki (Obvs) ( Also notorious in her early days for stealing content, editing it, and pushing it off as her own a.k.a BGLH drama and her grease post- directly stolen and did not even bother to edit it before passing it off as her own)

Denim Pixie (Quest for the Perfect Curl)
CharyJay
Taren916 (Also a bad example to represent BW, cheated and pregnant by a married man, dissed the wife on social media, been very messy, catty, to her)

The Natural Haven (JC)
NaturalChica
SunKissed Alba
Melshary Arias

People to Support:
Jouelzy
KashTV
FusionofCultures
J. Joelle
HelloLowelo
Chime Edwards (aka Haircrush)
Rinny Riot

Background Information: (LUXE Thank you girl!)

Quote:
Originally Posted by luxe View Post
For those that need background.

Curly Nikki featured a white woman on her blog. Not a big deal when you consider the fact that CN is now owned by NaturallyCurly/Texture Media. However, things reached a fever pitch on Sunday when the white woman got on twitter proclaiming that black women were being exclusive, the natural hair movement was not created for black women, and that the blog is called "CURLY Nikki not BlackNikki". She deleted certain tweets once she got called out, but we have screencaps.

The thread covering everything is here.


There have been numerous articles, blogs, tumblr and facebook posts surrounding her reaction and both sides of the argument.

Some blogs/responses:
http://blackgirllonghair.com/2014/07...is-not-racism/
http://www.clutchmagonline.com/2014/...r-white-woman/
http://www.ebony.com/style/white-wom...#axzz36eNXanRx
http://blog.franchesca.net/post/9051...hair-tutorials
http://madamenoire.com/444464/seriou...n-teamnatural/
http://blackgirllonghair.com/2014/07...t-black-women/

Other responses (from twitter, facebook etc) were posted in the thread mentioned.

An Ebony writer (article listed above) chimed in very early in the debate speaking about the importance of the Natural Hair Movement and black women having safe spaces to commune and share experiences, motivations, and stories etc.

Curly Nikki decided to respond (I refuse to link her blog, if you want to read her response it was posted in the thread I mentioned above) and focused on attacking Jamilah (author of the Ebony article) rather than discussing the debate at hand or the ignorant comments that Sarah (the white woman) made. She also tried to claim that her blog was always all inclusive and that she never started it for only black women, though her bio specifically says the opposite.


......snip......

QFTPC uploaded a video answering the questions/rumus about her being involved with Texture Media: I'm Tired of Rumors Started...QFTPC & TextureMedia **FULL Disclosure**

 

[LdyKamz]

@greenandchic summary please. Not sure I want to click the link.

Edit: It was short so I watched it. I do remember a while back that issue she referenced in the video where vloggers were talking about knowing their worth and not getting paid. But I didn't pay close attention to it at the time and I don't even remember companies being named.

But basically NC doesn't own her blog. Got it.

 

[Avyn]

Can they join the movement?




Lol! Kidding! A little comic relief!

 

[NaturallyATLPCH]

I know I mentioned I had unsubbed from Elle (Quest for the perfect curl) but I had to go back and research. I didn't see any information that warranted me to do such. I haven't heard her comment on this issue like the others (Taren916, CharyJay, Melshary, etc.). So why were we suggested to unsub from her? (From a quote a member posted from another forum in here)

If it was based on the rumor that her blog is owned by NC that's not true. *subs again*