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But on CN I couldnt find what I was looking for I guess. Mind you I have a loose curl pattern so you would think I would fit in where ever.

I also want to add that I'm not mad at these bloggers for making money and having white folk sign the check. I mean white folk sign my checks.
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@tHENATuRALhAiRpRoJEcT whats so "OMG" about what I said?

Some people think that its about curl type. I'm showing that its not, its about the unity we have here as black women to support each other through this growing and accepting process. So whether you have type 3 or 4 we're in it together because we know each others story. A white woman with 3a hair isnt going to be in the same boat even if she does blow dry it straight everyday.

And I'm not mad at them for the bloggers for trying to get money. People seem to think that we're upset about them promoting them self. they can promote all they want but does it have to be at the expense of losing the fan base that got them to where they are to even be ask to get paid for blogging. If it werent for us these media companies wouldnt be handing them money to join their teams, so now they're getting paid they think they can just skip out on their loyal base group because they THINK they have this new found base group with the beckys by "including them to the team" when they're not going to stick around once Sarah or who ever starts who own thing promoting the "natural white woman"

And when quoting me, keep the full context of what I say. Rather than editing it to make it look what ever kind of way

Mz.MoMo5235 said:
But on CN I couldnt find what I was looking for I guess. Mind you I have a loose curl pattern so you would think I would fit in where ever. But I didnt have the sense of community or unity there I guess is what I'm saying.

I also want to add that I'm not mad at these bloggers for making money and having white folk sign the check. I mean white folk sign my checks. But there is a difference between making your money, your hustle, what ever you want to call it and turning your back on the ones who made you.
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I've got nothing new to add really. I rarely actually read the CN home page. I stayed in the forums. I like bglh better for hair articles. Then CN jacked up the forum so there went that.
 
Solitude said:
Y'all have every right to unsubscribe from these vloggers, but just realize that a lot of Type 4 vloggers are involved with NaturallyCurly.com and I don't think they are all "sell-outs." They get involved for free products, brand promotion, and to just to help other Type 4s.

My whole thing is, y'all would be mad if NaturallyCurly.com did not include blacks/women with type 4 hair, but you're also mad at the women who get the deals and partnerships. Let those women live.

Evelyn from the Internets works for NC.com in Austin and Jouelzy is always flying down there to Texas, so she is either involved with NC.com or trying to be, even as much as she gripes about texture discrimination.

Blakizbeautyful (Jennell Stewart) keeps it all the way real about her hair journey and she is a NC.com vlogger. Mahogany Curls started out on NC and LexiwiththeCurls has worked with them as well. Before some of the black blogs were established, these ladies partnered with NC.com. I don't care for the continued characterization of NaturallyCurly's founders as some sort of racists. I don't get that from them, at all. They were pioneers in the curly hair thing and were smart enough to snatch up some black blogs early on in order to expand their reach. I don't see anything wrong with that...

Texture Media (Naturally Curly) is a MEDIA company. Of course they promote their own bloggers and vloggers.
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CN had the power to keep her blog and take on other black bloggers. She could have taken then entire black portion of NC with her if she really wanted. She gave her power away.
 
If you guys scroll back a few years of CN's blog you'll see that in the beginning she tried to have WW on her blog. I'm talking about NC members that were highly regarded and knowledgable about hair. One woman in particular comes to mind... I think she went by The Curl Whisperer. Those posts were not very well received. I personally didn't mind (to a certain degree) but I think most readers prefer to receive advice from people that look like them so they can relate to the article. I don't see anything wrong with that.
 
Ogoma said:
Don't feel obligated to subscribe to anyone that doesn't represent your interest. No one is trying to punish all bloggers, just those that have actively shown they would not represent our interests.

This is how they keep us compliant and down, by playing on our sense of fairness when they never have and never will have any intention of doing the same.

Since they want white women in the movement, they should go and find them for support. Wish them all the luck with that because when we are not there, trust and believe the white interlopers would lose interest.
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Yes, they are trying to punish vloggers. A list of "who to support" and "who not to support" ??? As if these women did something to stop you from wearing your natural hair? I can name partnerships that each of those women on the "support" list have done with white companies.

Did we expect black bloggers and vloggers to pledge allegiance to the black nation of hair care? This is pretty ridiculous and way too politicized. What is the purpose of the "movement." Are we going to get women with natural hair a seat in the Senate or something? Like what is the actual goal here that is going to improve black people's lives?

This is the BEAUTY industry, let's keep it in perspective.

aquajoyice said:
This. I was in the Dollar Store over the weekend and overheard one of the employees compliment a WG on her stick thin, bleached blonde hair. The WG responded by saying she's decided to "Go Natural" and is really excited about her new hair journey as she thanked the employee for the compliment. That was the first i'd ever heard of them using the term "going natural". I rolled my eyes and kept it moving. This little girl was so clueless as most of those that use the term and have no idea what it really means.
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I don't know how many times I can say it, but "natural" was a thing before the "natural hair movement." Did you think Whole Foods and organic, natural living was inspired by the hair movement? Or was it here, with "natural hair products" on the shelves long before 2001?

There have been naturalistas, naturalists, and others "going natural" by living a chemical-free lifestyle for decades.


1QTPie said:
CN had the power to keep her blog and take on other black bloggers. She could have taken then entire black portion of NC with her if she really wanted. She gave her power away.
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She didn't "give her power away." She leveraged her brand to do what SHE wanted to do. Maybe SHE didn't want to "take on other black bloggers." Maybe that was not her career goal.

She could start a product line. She could do this, she could do that, but she doesn't want to. She is making a living off blogging, making appearances, and she wrote a book. It's not Nikki's job to be the builder-upper of other black blogs.

I could easily say that a black vlogger like Jouelzy needs to start her own YouTube network and take on other black vloggers instead of "giving her power away" by joining a predominately white YouTube network (Makers Studio), but who am I to deem her responsible for building up other black vloggers?
 
IDK. I used to do CN and naturallycurly.com CT but stopped because there are not enough 4 (especially 4b/c!) women on those sites. I can't tell you how many times I have rolled my eyes at someone's hair journey when they finally reveal their natural type 3 curls. They have the kind of hair that my grandmother would say didn't "need" a relaxer in the first place. It does not surprise me that a white woman was featured and that she picked up tips from CN. If I decided to go natural again I would stick to the sites celebrate and represent the hair that many grandmothers called "nappy" or more commonly "bad" hair!
 
Solitude said:
Yes, they are trying to punish vloggers. A list of "who to support" and "who not to support" ??? As if these women did something to stop you from wearing your natural hair? I can name partnerships that each of those women on the "support" list have done with white companies. Did we expect black bloggers and vloggers to pledge allegiance to the black nation of hair care? This is pretty ridiculous and way too politicized. What is the purpose of the "movement." Are we going to get women with natural hair a seat in the Senate or something? Like what is the actual goal here that is going to improve black people's lives? This is the BEAUTY industry, let's keep it in perspective. I don't know how many times I can say it, but "natural" was a thing before the "natural hair movement." Did you think Whole Foods and organic, natural living was inspired by the hair movement? Or was it here, with "natural hair products" on the shelves long before 2001? There have been naturalistas, naturalists, and others "going natural" by living a chemical-free lifestyle for decades. She didn't "give her power away." She leveraged her brand to do what SHE wanted to do. Maybe SHE didn't want to "take on other black bloggers." Maybe that was not her career goal. She could start a product line. She could do this, she could do that, but she doesn't want to. She is making a living off blogging, making appearances, and she wrote a book. It's not Nikki's job to be the builder-upper of other black blogs. I could easily say that a black vlogger like Jouelzy needs to start her own YouTube network and take on other black vloggers instead of "giving her power away" by joining a predominately white YouTube network (Makers Studio), but who am I to deem her responsible for building up other black vloggers?
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Those that don't understand the movement will never get it. With that being said it clearly isn't for
you and that's okay.

The Natural Hair Movement is for BW that need support to accept what is natural to us. There is no way that a non BW could ever understand the hardships that we've had to ensure which is why it wasn't created for them. If they have challenges then they need to come together and create their own movement. Comparing YT to the struggles of black hair is like comparing apples to lettuce.

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KammyGirl said:
Nah this isn't about the relaxed ladies. Let's not lose focus.

Besides most of them seem to agree with us when there are naturals who are telling us this doesn't matter.
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Agreed, plus the relaxed heads have just as much of a vested interest in how we're represented, and how we "gate keep" our movements of self acceptance.

They probably have daughters, mothers, sistahs etc. that are natural etc.
 
Femmefatal1981 said:
Relaxed folks in here arguing about the natural hair movement...smh
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sunnieb said:
I'll come back and respond to you tomorrow. Thanks.

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When I first got here I was relaxed (2008)... here we are 6 years later, I've transitioned and am now fully natural. Just cuz your relaxed don't mean you ain't relating or ain't able to pick a side and stand.

This entire ww in the movement thing is doing exactly what was secretly intended - cause confusion and division. They think this is entertaining... what happened to a United front? We can't achieve unity within our lil small bw hair community, how are we fighting each other to bring THEM in, so they can set up more traps?
 
felic1 said:
I cannot consider Sarah as part of our natural hair movement. She will not experience hiring discrimination because her hair is not straight. There are a lot of us that wear their hair straight or relaxed. I am not rejecting my relaxed sisters. Sarah is not a person with styling and length retention needs. She is not a part of us. I have looked at some of the more basically white hair blogs/sites. They are not really suitable for the needs of my hair type. I sort of get the impression that CN featuring her is a way to broaden or apply cross over techniques to expand her site. I am not trying to be ugly. The black community is experiencing cohesiveness via natural hair care. It is a good thing. For a caucasian person to indicate that she is natural also does not make her part of our group. She is not of african descent living in a culture that does not accept or celebrate our difference. If CN believes that she has disappearing ends, dry hair like ours, with breakage issues like ours, and any of our other needs she is mistaken. CN can cross over. I have already determined that caucasian based sites cannot help me.
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My girl SupremeDejhan could not have put it more plainly or said it more emphatically. Her words are simply beautiful:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0MXrHWxgKk

Video at link above.
 
Solitude said:
Yes, they are trying to punish vloggers. A list of "who to support" and "who not to support" ??? As if these women did something to stop you from wearing your natural hair? I can name partnerships that each of those women on the "support" list have done with white companies.

Did we expect black bloggers and vloggers to pledge allegiance to the black nation of hair care? This is pretty ridiculous and way too politicized. What is the purpose of the "movement." Are we going to get women with natural hair a seat in the Senate or something? Like what is the actual goal here that is going to improve black people's lives?

This is the BEAUTY industry, let's keep it in perspective.



I don't know how many times I can say it, but "natural" was a thing before the "natural hair movement." Did you think Whole Foods and organic, natural living was inspired by the hair movement? Or was it here, with "natural hair products" on the shelves long before 2001?

There have been naturalistas, naturalists, and others "going natural" by living a chemical-free lifestyle for decades.




She didn't "give her power away." She leveraged her brand to do what SHE wanted to do. Maybe SHE didn't want to "take on other black bloggers." Maybe that was not her career goal.

She could start a product line. She could do this, she could do that, but she doesn't want to. She is making a living off blogging, making appearances, and she wrote a book. It's not Nikki's job to be the builder-upper of other black blogs.

I could easily say that a black vlogger like Jouelzy needs to start her own YouTube network and take on other black vloggers instead of "giving her power away" by joining a predominately white YouTube network (Makers Studio), but who am I to deem her responsible for building up other black vloggers?
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so individualism?! Gotcha. Everyone has a price.
 
SuchaLady said:
Don't hurt her girl :lol:
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I'll leave it alone. Ya'll know how I feel.

I grow natural hair out of my scalp daily. I was also the " nappy headed" little girl with"bad" hair. I'm black. I know exactly what natural ladies go through.

There's no place for Becky in this.

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I am not sure what to say anymore, because I am somewhat alarmed by the hair blog articles cropping up with white women claiming that they are 'natural', and 'transitioning', but I really just have to evaluate my feelings and wonder. Sometimes I feel like this is something that could become a huge act of cultural thievery, and no, I don't feel comfortable knowing that there are ww who fancy themselves as going through a journey anything like the ones experienced by black women.
But how can they truly steal this from us if we continue to help and support each other? And on that note, is CN not someone who helps and supports many newly naturals, and does the threat that she poses to the 'purity' and unity of the movement truly occasion forgetting all of the women that she's educated and helped? I just don't know.
 
sunnieb said:
I'll leave it alone. Ya'll know how I feel. I grow natural hair out of my scalp daily. I was also the " nappy headed" little girl with"bad" hair. I'm black. I know exactly what natural ladies go through. There's no place for Becky in this. Sent from my SCH-I545 using LHCF
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sunnieb

My comment wasn't directed at you but since you responded let me elaborate.

It was directed specifically to relaxed heads on the Becky rescue mission. If you are relaxed and you support the natural hair movement then more power to you but to come in here and try to tell me I should accept Becky? I'm well within my rights to come for you.
 
I only partially agree with relaxed heads in the "natural hair movement". The point of the natural hair movement was for people to accept the natural texture of their hair. At least that's what I thought.....
 
MissC320 said:
I only partially agree with relaxed heads in the "natural hair movement". The point of the natural hair movement was for people to accept the natural texture of their hair. At least that's what I thought.....
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And it's comments like this that's going to keep Becky and 'em trying to get in. Makes us look like a bunch of discriminatory bitter ol' ABW. What about women that have been natural for years and are a part of the NHM and then they decide to relax for styling reasons? We kick them out? Come on now. Ridiculous. Not everyone that has a relaxer hates their natural hair you know.

And the fact remains, no matter how hard Becky's hair is to manage she won't be getting a relaxer and will never understand why that is even something considered. A relaxed BLACK woman would. I can't believe how all of these threads have lost focus. Got people in here talking about relaxed heads don't belong. :nono:

P.S. I'm natural btw.
 
MissC320 said:
I only partially agree with relaxed heads in the "natural hair movement". The point of the natural hair movement was for people to accept the natural texture of their hair. At least that's what I thought.....
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I understand where your coming from, however, we need to come together as a people and embrace each other without fear of discrimination against each other. That's out problem. Not hair, but our state of thinking and it's crippling us. No one has to know your reason for relaxing or being natural, the fact is that we all go through the same struggle and discrimination and we shouldn't have to deal with it from each other. I know what it's like to be natural, I've been there. Does it make me less of a black person that I don't want to deal with it but will support my natural sisters? No it doesn't.

Bleach blonde Becky, curly perm Becky and fire crotch Becky still help each other out at the end of the day and are getting ahead together; you think they care about who is using chemicals? No ma'am, they are not.
 
Question: I'm still half relaxed, does this means that I can only halfway support the natural hair community?

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:smirk::rolleyes:.....EXACTLY!

Support is support. Whether its from a 2c-4c natural, A transitioner, or a Bone straight relaxed head. Let's not lose focus and turn on our own shall we.

Please and Thanks:)
 
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