envybeauty
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i understand what you are all saying - i definitely won't be having anymore children with him and i won't even be sleepiing with him anymore - that's where i got the idea of separate rooms.
also, i definitely planned on leaving him, but when i was more able to support myself. i am vulnerable at the moment being pregnant and having nowhere of my own to stay. i don't want to involve my family because they were involved when i left him the first time - and i went back.
my mother had a stroke recently and i don't want to stress her. also my mother once told me that maybe he was cheating because i wasn't "making the most" of my appearance. to her, his sleeping around wouldn't be a good enough reason to take my children out of a marital home. her mantra is "i don't want you to end up like me....."
i'm so grateful some of you have replied, i'm crying as i write this. some of the reasons i can't leave are financial - i only work part-time and struggle as it is. however i'd be willing to struggle on my own, but my own childhood was terrible - i don't know my father and neither does my brother. my mother had many violent abusive men in the household when i was growing up.
other than being a serial cheater (this isn't the first time....) my husband has other "good" qualities. he phones constantly to check i'm ok during the day (and always has), though his family is awful, he is extremely respectful toward my mother and brother (always willing to help out etc), gets me anything i ask for (i don't ask for much, but he tries to please me in many ways). most importantly, he's very very hands-on with our daughter - he seems to adore her. i left him once already 2 years ago and he called my mother and begged to come back. the only reason i took him back was because our daughter would constantly ask where her daddy was and it broke my heart. he bought a new house for us to live in and we tried for nearly a year to get pregnant with our second child.....................and now this..............
also, i'm preparing myself for if he did leave me (savings etc), but i don't know if i can be the one to break the marriage. i don't even know if what i'm saying makes sense............
I totally agree with this. I say get seperate bedrooms and DO NOT ever sleep with him again. You dont know what kinda diseases he has and you dont need anymore issues going on at this time. Have this baby and quickly/quietly better yourself. GO.....RUN back to school. Get an associates/bachelors/trade certificate/whatever the hell ASAP!!!! You need something that will be able to increase your income. We women need to not depend on a man for financial reasons or else you will never break free. See this as a lesson that you need to learn from and teach your kids. Dont put up with peoples crap just because you dont think you cant do any better because honey you sure as hell can. Keep your head up and start a class or something now if you can. Focus on you and your kids ONLY from now on and as soon as possible get a divorce and file for child support/spousal support.My love is with you and my heart goes out to you. No woman should have to go through what you are going through, yet many of us do and have since the beginning of time (think of when Adam blamed Eve instead of standing with his wife ).
Whether or not you confront him, my advice is for you to take this as a turning point in your life. You had your first child under these terrible circumstances and are now pregnant with your second. If you choose to have a third, do not let that third pregnancy meet you where you are in your life right now. Whether or not you stay married to him is up to you, but your dependence on him must end--starting with the financial. You need to figure out what it will take for you to become financially independent and then start working on it. It may take years, but make sure that each day, you are pressing toward that goal. Do it for yourself but most importantly, do it for your babies. Raise your eyes to the sky and understand that you must be strong and able to stand on your own two feet, if only because right now, he can devastate you financially and emotionally if he leaves for one of the women he is cheating on you with. And don't think he won't. If he can cheat, he can leave. You are at his mercy. See that vulnerability you feel? Resolve to never feel it again.
I give you this advice based on my mother. When my mother was pregnant with her third child and my father was up to his usual antics (cheating and physical abuse), she decided to get her life together. She had left before but she always came back because she needed him. Her survival and her children's survival depended on my father's goodwill and his paycheck. She had two small children, a difficult pregnancy, and was very financially dependent on my father. But in her heart, she knew what she had to do. She went back to school and as her education improved, so did her earning capacity, and most importantly, so did her self-esteem. The sun no longer rose and set in my father's eyes. My father tried everything he knew to disrupt her studies (he left her several times with three children and no financial support, he would beat her, he kept on cheating, he told her family lies so that they would gang up on her etc) but she set her eyes on the prize. My mother was not even a college graduate when they married. Today she is not only a college graduate but also an attorney with a master's in law working on her PhD. My parents are still married (so, believe me you can do all of this without leaving if you don't want to) but you can trust that the balance of power changed the day my mother decided to see her husband for what he is and do better for herself. My life changed too because I found a hero and example in my mother that made me strong.
Honey, you have to be strong and realize that every moment is a new opportunity to turn it all around. Sit down and think to yourself: what can I do to put myself in a position of strength? Then do it. Your marriage is no marriage at all and you can no longer cast yourself and your children to the wind as you have been doing.
i don't know how to quote posts, but thank you so much for the Maya Angelou post.
i don't think counselling would work - we had a family-intervention type thing to persuade me to go back to him last time for some reason society likes to think like a man and place that responsibility on the female when in fact that is on the spouse who cheated. In my mind once he cheats he's made the decision for both of us. Life and std's are to hard to deal with so cheating is out. and he couldn't admit to doing anything wrong Now thats a low life. There is no reason you should be or anyone for that matter with anyone who commits such an act as maritial cheating and can't even admit to it or apologize. That "thang" needs to be by himself. And trust if he keep on he WILL have an STD. .
he did say that i held onto past hurts and kept bringing them back up - this is probably true. this has affected our love life as i've usually avoided being intimate with him because of deep seated resentment. i never shout, argue or nag. but he has hurt me very badly in the past and it's put me off him physically. not that i think i've driven him into the arms of another woman exactly...........but.............Again, a man driven thought. No one drives anyone to cheat on their spouse UNLESS that person is mistreating him or her. Now if you had cheated yes I'd feel YOU were driven to cheat. But he is a fully capable individual who had the rudimentary aptitude to reason right from wrong. He made his decision to mistreat you. Now take care of you. He's just not on your level.[/quote]
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Is the house owned in your name or his or both?he bought a new house for us to live in
My heart goes out to you. No woman should have to go through what you are going through, yet many of us do and have since the beginning of time (think of when Adam blamed Eve instead of standing with his wife ).
hello ladies, i just got back from work. i still don't know how to multi-post, but i wanted to clarify some questions from your posts:
i'm actually hoping he'll leave me. in fact the last time i left him - he came home to an empty house and i hoped he'd be so enraged he'd stay away. i've also left temporarily before but he came to my mum's house to get me and she told me to go with him. another time he stormed out and disappeared for 2 weeks - i think he was expecting me to call him begging him to come back. when he didn't hear from me he called and asked to come back.
- i live in the UK.
- he insisted the house was in both our names when we bought it.
- i own my own car.
- we don't have joint accounts and he is extremely secretive about money - i don't actually know how much he earns, though i do know it is considerably more than me.
- i didn't actually believe his story yesterday - i think i made it sound like i possibly did. i know he's definitely lying.
- i have already tried to book an HIV/STD test - couldn't get through on the line today, i'll try again tomorrow.
he definitely doesn't love me, but i'm not sure he wants the stigma of having a divorce. his parents have been married for over 40 years and he's his mother's favourite - she'd be totally scandalised and devastated if we divorced. we are West African background (though born in the West)-the culture is even if you hate each others guts, you stay together especially when young children are involved. even when a man is being openly cheated on and disrespected by his wife (i have 2 uncles like this) divorce is still virtually unheard of where children are involved. as many of my aunts say "we don't divorce, you just stay and raise the children....". maybe i've been slightly brainwashed by all this - i guess that's why i thought i'd be able to stay under the same roof as him and just "raise the children".
also, over the years he has offended and fallen out with lots of friends and family who know both of us and he actually has a lot of enemies. a lot of people would like to see our marriage fail. i actually think he wants to have it all - a loyal (stupid?) wife at home yet being able to lie and cheat and do what he wants outside. in fact, i think that's one of the main reasons he married me - he felt i'd put up with anything.
i've been feeling very ill over the last 2 days and seem to have caught a bad cold. i'm also having bad stomach pains. so i'm trying to take it easy. as many of you have suggested i will look after myself and bide my time till the baby is delivered. i won't ask him about anything else.
just wanted to thank you again for all your advice and support. as so many of you have showed concern - i will definitely update you with any happenings, i don't want anyone worrying about me. please keep me in your prayers - hopefully things will work out.
thanks again xxx
he definitely doesn't love me, but i'm not sure he wants the stigma of having a divorce. his parents have been married for over 40 years and he's his mother's favourite - she'd be totally scandalised and devastated if we divorced. we are West African background (though born in the West)-the culture is even if you hate each others guts, you stay together especially when young children are involved. even when a man is being openly cheated on and disrespected by his wife (i have 2 uncles like this) divorce is still virtually unheard of where children are involved. as many of my aunts say "we don't divorce, you just stay and raise the children....". maybe i've been slightly brainwashed by all this - i guess that's why i thought i'd be able to stay under the same roof as him and just "raise the children".
Oh Lord. My heart stopped when I got to the part in bold. You're west African. Don't tell me you're Naija. Good luck to you because you married a true west African man and you are in store for some **** indeed. You know full well that your husband's behavior is classically African and that no one is going to stand with you if you leave him. I am west African too and my mother's experience is just like yours (except hers involved physical abuse too). It won't get better, Almondruby, and you know this. You need to be strong and not look to this man for anything.
An ubiquitous tale for Africans. I don't believe African men are more inclined biologically to cheat, but the fact that there is no social pressure to stay faithful, and cheating is even expected and seen as normal and masculine, means that the external forces that constrain men in western culture (and only barely at that) are almost completely absent for African men. It is up to the man himself to decide to be better...and we know how most people are when the only check on their behavior is their own good will.sonce, your story is similar to mine, except that my dad actually gets along really well with my mom. He is a wonderful father an provider, and they make a pretty good partnership.
But most of their fights stem from the fact that he cheats and has cheated from day 1.
No, we do not. And that would be a good thing if it went hand in hand with an equivalent stigma against male infidelity and physical abuse. Unfortunately, it doesn't, so you'd better look really, really well before you leap into marriage in our culture.And i feel you on the West African stigma. My Grand father told my dad, (when he married my mom), that our people don't believe in divorce. That says alot. (main reason why i doubt i'll marry an african ).
Oh Lord. My heart stopped when I got to the part in bold. You're west African. Don't tell me you're Naija. Good luck to you because you married a true west African man and you are in store for some **** indeed. You know full well that your husband's behavior is classically African and that no one is going to stand with you if you leave him. I am west African too and my mother's experience is just like yours (except hers involved physical abuse too). It won't get better, Almondruby, and you know this. You need to be strong and not look to this man for anything.
Oh Lord. My heart stopped when I got to the part in bold. You're west African. Don't tell me you're Naija. Good luck to you because you married a true west African man and you are in store for some **** indeed. You know full well that your husband's behavior is classically African and that no one is going to stand with you if you leave him. I am west African too and my mother's experience is just like yours (except hers involved physical abuse too). It won't get better, Almondruby, and you know this. You need to be strong and not look to this man for anything.
Yes, you are. Don't you know that your husband is the crown on your head, that the husband's home is a woman's place? Come on. I'm sure you've heard the sayings. Think hard before you decide to leave. Are you ready to stand up to not only him but also your families too? If you keep leaving and coming back, he will take you less and less seriously until your leaving means nothing. So, you have to really do this and be committed to face the opposition if you're going to do it.my mother says things like "whether i'm alive or dead, you must fight for your marital home and don't let another woman come in" - like i'm supposed to fight to keep a man who tells lies and cheats on me.
Do not be too hard on yourself. The social pressure put on us to get married at a proper age is real and it is strong. You are making plans instead of just laying down and taking it--that is evidence of your strength.i used to always read about how people repeat in their own relationships what they saw growing up and knew that i was too aware and informed to let that happen to me.
You need to start making an escape plan if you want to leave. It may not be today that you can escape or even tomorrow, but maybe you could somehow save up a little bit here and there and then have enough to leave him later in the future, or at least have that option if that's what you want to do
I totally agree with the bolded and figuredOh Lord. My heart stopped when I got to the part in bold. You're west African. Don't tell me you're Naija. Good luck to you because you married a true west African man and you are in store for some **** indeed. You know full well that your husband's behavior is classically African and that no one is going to stand with you if you leave him. I am west African too and my mother's experience is just like yours (except hers involved physical abuse too). It won't get better, Almondruby, and you know this. You need to be strong and not look to this man for anything.
hello ladies, i just got back from work. i still don't know how to multi-post, but i wanted to clarify some questions from your posts:
i'm actually hoping he'll leave me. in fact the last time i left him - he came home to an empty house and i hoped he'd be so enraged he'd stay away. i've also left temporarily before but he came to my mum's house to get me and she told me to go with him. another time he stormed out and disappeared for 2 weeks - i think he was expecting me to call him begging him to come back. when he didn't hear from me he called and asked to come back.
- i live in the UK.
- he insisted the house was in both our names when we bought it.
- i own my own car.
- we don't have joint accounts and he is extremely secretive about money - i don't actually know how much he earns, though i do know it is considerably more than me.
- i didn't actually believe his story yesterday - i think i made it sound like i possibly did. i know he's definitely lying.
- i have already tried to book an HIV/STD test - couldn't get through on the line today, i'll try again tomorrow.
he definitely doesn't love me, but i'm not sure he wants the stigma of having a divorce. his parents have been married for over 40 years and he's his mother's favourite - she'd be totally scandalised and devastated if we divorced. we are West African background (though born in the West)-the culture is even if you hate each others guts, you stay together especially when young children are involved. even when a man is being openly cheated on and disrespected by his wife (i have 2 uncles like this) divorce is still virtually unheard of where children are involved. as many of my aunts say "we don't divorce, you just stay and raise the children....". maybe i've been slightly brainwashed by all this - i guess that's why i thought i'd be able to stay under the same roof as him and just "raise the children".
also, over the years he has offended and fallen out with lots of friends and family who know both of us and he actually has a lot of enemies. a lot of people would like to see our marriage fail. i actually think he wants to have it all - a loyal (stupid?) wife at home yet being able to lie and cheat and do what he wants outside. in fact, i think that's one of the main reasons he married me - he felt i'd put up with anything.
i've been feeling very ill over the last 2 days and seem to have caught a bad cold. i'm also having bad stomach pains. so i'm trying to take it easy. as many of you have suggested i will look after myself and bide my time till the baby is delivered. i won't ask him about anything else.
just wanted to thank you again for all your advice and support. as so many of you have showed concern - i will definitely update you with any happenings, i don't want anyone worrying about me. please keep me in your prayers - hopefully things will work out.
thanks again xxx
thanks again for all the advice and replies. unfortunately i have to leave for work now and i can't be online at work (i'm a teacher). i'll respond as soon as i get back in around 9 hours. thanks again