Women Pastors...

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There is and has been much debate about this particular subject matter but I would like to know from a woman's perspective what position you stand on this...

Do you feel as though women should not preach or be a pastor of a Church? If so, might I ask where you may be pulling your reference from? TIA
 
I think it's perfectly honorable for women to preach and to pastor. Women were the very first evangelists in the Bible. (those who went out proclaiming the Good News of Jesus' resurrection)
 
I have leaned towards women shouldn't be allowed to preach if you take the Bible literally but I'm really undecided because the Bible never flat out says "Women should not be allowed to preach period".

Here is a scripture that supposedly supports the "Women Should NOT be allowed to preach/pastor over a church or teach over a man."

Should Women be allowed to teach/preach in the church?
1 Timothy 2:9-15

9Likewise, I want women to adorn themselves with proper clothing, modestly and discreetly, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly garments,
10but rather by means of good works, as is proper for women making a claim to godliness.
11A woman must quietly receive instruction with entire submissiveness.
12But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet.
13For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve.
14And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression.
15But women will be preserved through the bearing of children if they continue in faith and love and sanctity with self-restraint.

Commentary:

To understand these verses, we must understand the situation in which Paul and Timothy worked. In first-century Jewish culture, women were not allowed to study. When Paul said women should learn quietly and humbly, he was offering them an amazing opportunity. Paul did not want the Ephesian women to teach because they didn't yet have enough knowledge or experience. The Ephesian church had a particular problem with false teachers. Evidently, the women were especially susceptible to their teaching because they did not yet have enough biblical knowledge to see through the false claims. In addition, some of the women were apparently flaunting their new-found Christian freedom by wearing inappropriate clothing. Paul was telling Timothy not to put anyone (in this case, women) into positions of leadership who were not yet mature in the faith. The same principles apples to churches today.

Some interpret this passage to mean that women should never teach in the assembled church. However, other commentators say that Paul's words "I suffer not"(I never let) can be more literally translated "I am not allowing." Paul did not forbid women from ever teaching men. Paul's commended co-worker Priscilla taught Apollos, the great preacher. In addition, Paul frequently mentioned other women who held positions of responsibility in the church. Phebe worked in the church. Mary, Tryphena, and Tryphosa were the Lord's workers, as were Eudias and Synthche. Paul was here prohibiting Ephesian women, but not all women, from teaching.
As to women being silent in church meetings, the word silence here is often translated "be in quietness", expressing an attitude of composure. In addition, Paul himself acknowledges that women publicly prayed and prophesied. Apparently, however, the women in the Ephesian church were abusing their newly acquired Christian freedom. Because these women were new converts and uneducated, they did not yet have the necessary experience, knowledge, or maturity to teach those who already had extensive biblical education.

From the passage and commentary, it seems like Paul was talking about uneducated, new-found Christian women were not allowed to teach, I think this could go for men as well in today's society.

Another verse...
Worship in an orderly way
1 Corinthians 14:26-40

Verses 34-35- 34The women are to keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but are to subject themselves, just as the Law also says. 35If they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is improper for a woman to speak in church.

Commentary:
Does this mean that women should not speak in church services today? It is clear from 11:5 that women prayed and prophesied in public worship. It is also clear in chapters 12-14 that women have spiritual gifts, and they are encouraged to exercise them in the body of Christ. Women have much to contribute and can participate in worship services.
In the Corinth culture, women were not allowed to confront men in public. Apparently some of the women who had become Christians thought their Christian freedom gave them the right to question the men in public worship. This was cauing division in the church. In addition, women of that day did not receive formal religious education as did the men. Women may have been raising questions in the worship service which could have been answered at home without disputing the church service. Paul was asking the women not to flaunt their Christian freedom during the worship service. The purpose of Paul's words was to promote unity, not to teach about women's role in the church.

Another verse...
Standards for church leaders

1 Timothy 3:2 - 2An overseer, then, must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, temperate, prudent, respectable, hospitable, able to teach,

Most ministers against women preaching will use this verse to say "How can a women be the husband of one wife?"

So I'm undecided on this issue even though my denomination (Baptist/Southern Baptist) strongly oppose women preachers/pastors.

What are you ladies' thoughts on these passages and commentaries???
 
Supergirl said:
I think it's perfectly honorable for women to preach and to pastor. Women were the very first evangelists in the Bible. (those who went out proclaiming the Good News of Jesus' resurrection)


Supergirl,

That is a very interesting observation indeed and a good one as well. I've noticed when some people don't want to recognize female pastors or preachers. They refer to them as "evangelists" to replace calling the woman "pastor" or "teacher" to replace the word "preacher."

Has anyone else noticed this as well?
 
Yes, Joyce Meyer is often called (or calls herself sometimes) a teacher, but she does preach.


I, too, am undecided. My family and church is dead set against it. They feel that the bible instructs women not to serve as leader over man as it disrupts God's natural order. There are no lady preachers or SS teachers in classes where men are enrolled.

But my problem is there are some women serving as leaders in my denomination, but they are called something other than preacher. Like worship leader ( note still called leader). But they are doing the same thing the male minister does. So to me there is hypocrisy of sorts.
 
I understand those scriptures to separate the teaching that is mentioned to and a authoritative position of teaching and being in charge. My church has female sunday school teachers. Readers during service and lead the different prayers. They lead the services of the hours and all woman can volunteer to do the closing prayers. We can organize evanglism information and spread the word as anyone. There are positions of authority that woman do not fill such as deacons, pastors, bishop etc. These positions have the authority over people reference their life in the church. The pastor has authority over whether someone can or cannot take communion for example, the bishop can deny a marriage or entry into the church, the pastor determines and instructs a new convert for entry into the church and decides when they are ready etc. It does seem in the scriptures that it is the deciding factor as to whether there is a position of authority attached to the teaching or preaching.
Also since the church is mimicked after marriage and the man is deemed head of a woman and his household at home so the correlation in church remains in Christianity. The verses that specifically discribe the qualifications of a pastor or bishop is unmistakenly speaking of the authority positions in the church and describing the biblical characteristics of a man and his role and responsibilities. I believe that woman are vital to the church and have duties and responsibilities as woman that do not need to be deemed as not as important as the mens positions and roles. We have our unique God given characteristics. Who else but woman will fill these roles? Let men do what they are to do.
I understand that many people of today do not run their households quite on the biblical scale and view the bibles teachings as demeaning to woman. I do not believe they are, and the church should not succumb to secular views or allow its errosion into the running of a church.
 
Poohbear What are you ladies' thoughts on these passages and commentaries???[/QUOTE said:
Thanks for posting the Bible scriptures Poohbear. :up:

I never thought about this as an issue before untill now. I've always noticed (from the churches I've been to and my home church) that the Pastor's have always been men. IMO, based on what I just read, only men should be Pastor's.
 
Personally, I do support women preachers but if a women is pastoring a church I believe that her husband should be in the ministry with her also. Kind of like he's the sr. pastor and she would be the co pastor.
 
There are two pastors of my church...husband and wife. However, my woman pastor does the majority of the sermons...I think because the majority of our congregation are women and also, I think she puts her sermons together and make them more engaging than her husband. Her husband admits that she seems to be a better communicator than he is, so they have an understanding. I just know for me, when I first stepped foot in my current church (as a visitor) and started listening to her, I was like "Wow!!!", I had never heard anyone present the word and have it make sense to me as much as it did when I heard her. I had been visiting several churches trying to find the right one and she is the main reason I joined. She was definitely doing God's work...no disputing that.
 
Vintagecoilylocks said:
I understand those scriptures to separate the teaching that is mentioned to and a authoritative position of teaching and being in charge. My church has female sunday school teachers. Readers during service and lead the different prayers. They lead the services of the hours and all woman can volunteer to do the closing prayers. We can organize evanglism information and spread the word as anyone. There are positions of authority that woman do not fill such as deacons, pastors, bishop etc. These positions have the authority over people reference their life in the church. The pastor has authority over whether someone can or cannot take communion for example, the bishop can deny a marriage or entry into the church, the pastor determines and instructs a new convert for entry into the church and decides when they are ready etc. It does seem in the scriptures that it is the deciding factor as to whether there is a position of authority attached to the teaching or preaching.
Also since the church is mimicked after marriage and the man is deemed head of a woman and his household at home so the correlation in church remains in Christianity. The verses that specifically discribe the qualifications of a pastor or bishop is unmistakenly speaking of the authority positions in the church and describing the biblical characteristics of a man and his role and responsibilities. I believe that woman are vital to the church and have duties and responsibilities as woman that do not need to be deemed as not as important as the mens positions and roles. We have our unique God given characteristics. Who else but woman will fill these roles? Let men do what they are to do.
I understand that many people of today do not run their households quite on the biblical scale and view the bibles teachings as demeaning to woman. I do not believe they are, and the church should not succumb to secular views or allow its errosion into the running of a church.
Good post! Thanks for sharing!!!

I'm a Sunday School teacher as well over 5-8 year old children. When I was discussing the issue of women preaching and teaching to my dad (who is a pastor), he said that I'm really not a teacher. :ohwell: I was startled by that. Then he said that I'm really not a teacher because I'm not teaching over men. He's saying that only men can be real teachers and teach over men and women.

I've also heard of the correlation between the church and the marriage of a man and woman. Just like a man is over his wife, a man should be over the church since the church is the bride of Christ. :yep:
 
I agree with Vintage's view. At my church we only have male pastors, but we have women who teach sunday school, lead worship and hold other positions, but they don't have "authority" over men.
 

I thank God for the church that I go to and the Holy Ghost power that is there; my Pastor is a male and he is the only pastor of our church. I thank God my Man of God does not put up "women pastors" in the pulpit.

1 Timothy 2:12,14
But I suffer not a woman to teach nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

btw, the pulpit is a place of authority.
 
Supergirl said:
I think it's perfectly honorable for women to preach and to pastor. Women were the very first evangelists in the Bible. (those who went out proclaiming the Good News of Jesus' resurrection)

I didn't realize pastors and evangelists were synonymous... *look*
 
JenJen2721 said:
There are two pastors of my church...husband and wife. However, my woman pastor does the majority of the sermons...I think because the majority of our congregation are women and also, I think she puts her sermons together and make them more engaging than her husband. Her husband admits that she seems to be a better communicator than he is, so they have an understanding. I just know for me, when I first stepped foot in my current church (as a visitor) and started listening to her, I was like "Wow!!!", I had never heard anyone present the word and have it make sense to me as much as it did when I heard her. I had been visiting several churches trying to find the right one and she is the main reason I joined. She was definitely doing God's work...no disputing that.

I've never heard a woman preach before. What's it like?

My dad is dead set against it too...
 
sithembile said:
I agree with Vintage's view. At my church we only have male pastors, but we have women who teach sunday school, lead worship and hold other positions, but they don't have "authority" over men.

That's what my radio minister teaches, too. When men are present, women are to remain silent (this is Biblical), but they can teach a Sunday School class, granted no men are present, or teach other women and children, of course.
 
ChosenbyGod said:

I thank God for the church that I go to and the Holy Ghost power that is there; my Pastor is a male and he is the only pastor of our church. I thank God my Man of God does not put up "women pastors" in the pulpit.

1 Timothy 2:12,14
But I suffer not a woman to teach nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

btw, the pulpit is a place of authority.

Has anyone besides me noticed that since women have usurped the "authority" of men, that society is in total CHAOS!?

In the game of Chess, each piece has its place. Women have forgotten theirs.
 
Blossssom said:
Has anyone besides me noticed that since women have usurped the "authority" of men, that society is in total CHAOS!?

In the game of Chess, each piece has its place. Women have forgotten theirs.


You hit the nail on the head Blossssom, dead on the head.
CHAOS and CONFUSION and God is not the author of confusion.
 
Blossssom said:
I didn't realize pastors and evangelists were synonymous... *look*



Evangelist:
This title is applied to Philip (Acts 21:8), who appears to have gone from city
to city preaching the word (8:4, 40). Judging from the case of Philip,
evangelists had neither the authority of an apostle, nor the responsibility of pastoral supervision over a portion of the flock.

Pastor:
This title applies to one who has spiritual charge over a person or group.
Hebrews 13:17 - Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.

A pastor and an evangelist are 2 different positions. They are not synonymous. A pastor can be an evangelist and vice versa but they are not the same.
 
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ChosenbyGod said:

You hit the nail on the head Blossssom, dead on the head.
CHAOS and CONFUSION and God is not the author of confusion.

Women cutting all their hair off and carrying on. This world is in turmoil!
 
Is this directed towards me?
ChosenbyGod said:

I thank God for the church that I go to and the Holy Ghost power that is there; my Pastor is a male and he is the only pastor of our church. I thank God my Man of God does not put up "women pastors" in the pulpit.

1 Timothy 2:12,14
But I suffer not a woman to teach nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

btw, the pulpit is a place of authority.
 
Blossssom said:
I didn't realize pastors and evangelists were synonymous... *look*
I was thinking the same thing... pastors and evangelist are quite different... anyone can be evangelists...

I think I have made a decision on this issue... I'm going to stick with men can only be pastors and preachers. ;)
 
The world is in Chaos b/c of sin.

Blossssom said:
Has anyone besides me noticed that since women have usurped the "authority" of men, that society is in total CHAOS!?

In the game of Chess, each piece has its place. Women have forgotten theirs.
 
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