Soooo I was watching Creflo talk about a recording of hell

^^^ I took the time to look up the scripture and I am a little disturbed. Jonah was in the midst of a prayer (pity party) when her used the term forever. There is no way you can confuse the definitions. One term is being used by a man who is lamenting over his self inflicted plight the other was instructed to write down most of the secret thing of the Most Holy that he was shown in a vision by God. The use of the word in the two different context leave absolutely no room for confusion:



1Then Jonah prayed to the LORD his God from the fish's belly. 2And he said:
"I cried out to the LORD because of my affliction,
And He answered me.
"Out of the belly of Sheoml I cried,
And You heard my voice.
3For You cast me into the deep,
Into the heart of the seas,
And the floods surrounded me;
All Your billows and Your waves passed over me.
4Then I said, "I have been cast out of Your sight;
Yet I will look again toward Your holy temple.'
5The waters surrounded me, even to my soul;
The deep closed around me;
Weeds were wrapped around my head.
6I went down to the moorings of the mountains;
The earth with its bars closed behind me forever;
Yet You have brought up my life from the pit,
O LORD, my God.
7"When my soul fainted within me,
I remembered the LORD;
And my prayer went up to You,
Into Your holy temple.
8"Those who regard worthless idols
Forsake their own Mercy.
9But I will sacrifice to You
With the voice of thanksgiving;
I will pay what I have vowed.
Salvation is of the LORD."
10So the LORD spoke to the fish, and it vomited Jonah onto dry land.​
 
EbonyHairedPrincess said:
^^^ I took the time to look up the scripture and I am a little disturbed. Jonah was in the midst of a prayer (pity party) when her used the term forever. There is no way you can confuse the definitions. One term is being used by a man who is lamenting over his self inflicted plight the other was instructed to write down most of the secret thing of the Most Holy that he was shown in a vision by God. The use of the word in the two different context leave absolutely no room for confusion:



1Then Jonah prayed to the LORD his God from the fish's belly. 2And he said:
"I cried out to the LORD because of my affliction,
And He answered me.
"Out of the belly of Sheoml I cried,
And You heard my voice.
3For You cast me into the deep,
Into the heart of the seas,
And the floods surrounded me;
All Your billows and Your waves passed over me.
4Then I said, "I have been cast out of Your sight;
Yet I will look again toward Your holy temple.'
5The waters surrounded me, even to my soul;
The deep closed around me;
Weeds were wrapped around my head.
6I went down to the moorings of the mountains;
The earth with its bars closed behind me forever;
Yet You have brought up my life from the pit,
O LORD, my God.
7"When my soul fainted within me,
I remembered the LORD;
And my prayer went up to You,
Into Your holy temple.
8"Those who regard worthless idols
Forsake their own Mercy.
9But I will sacrifice to You
With the voice of thanksgiving;
I will pay what I have vowed.
Salvation is of the LORD."
10So the LORD spoke to the fish, and it vomited Jonah onto dry land.​
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As the verse indicate, he was in the belly of the whale, crying out to the Lord. Yes, it was because of his self-inflicted plight. He described the period as forever. Was he there forever?

And what about Sodom and Gomorrah? God rained down fire and brimstone from heaven. Are those places still burning?
 
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Thats exactly what I thought. We on the same page. I was like, "He's praying...if I spent 2 minutes in a whale it would feel like forever to me too."

EbonyHairedPrincess said:
^^^ I took the time to look up the scripture and I am a little disturbed. Jonah was in the midst of a prayer (pity party) when her used the term forever. There is no way you can confuse the definitions. One term is being used by a man who is lamenting over his self inflicted plight the other was instructed to write down most of the secret thing of the Most Holy that he was shown in a vision by God. The use of the word in the two different context leave absolutely no room for confusion:



1Then Jonah prayed to the LORD his God from the fish's belly. 2And he said:
"I cried out to the LORD because of my affliction,
And He answered me.
"Out of the belly of Sheoml I cried,
And You heard my voice.
3For You cast me into the deep,
Into the heart of the seas,
And the floods surrounded me;
All Your billows and Your waves passed over me.
4Then I said, "I have been cast out of Your sight;
Yet I will look again toward Your holy temple.'
5The waters surrounded me, even to my soul;
The deep closed around me;
Weeds were wrapped around my head.
6I went down to the moorings of the mountains;
The earth with its bars closed behind me forever;
Yet You have brought up my life from the pit,
O LORD, my God.
7"When my soul fainted within me,
I remembered the LORD;
And my prayer went up to You,
Into Your holy temple.
8"Those who regard worthless idols
Forsake their own Mercy.
9But I will sacrifice to You
With the voice of thanksgiving;
I will pay what I have vowed.
Salvation is of the LORD."

10So the LORD spoke to the fish, and it vomited Jonah onto dry land.​
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Here is the scripture:

1:7 as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. (NKJV) This scripture is talking about the lake of fire. We already know everyone perished in that fire now they are going to burn eternally there. :ohwell: .
 
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EbonyHairedPrincess said:
Here is the scripture:

1:7 as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. (NKJV) This scripture is talking about the lake of fire :ohwell: .
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Thanks girl. I was coming back to add it. Too slow for you ladies. :grin:

Here the Scripture tells us that the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah are an example of what will happen to the wicked at the end. The verse describes the cities as suffering "eternal" fire. But are they still burning? No, both have burned and went away. The Bible says that is our example of what will happen with the lake of fire.

Malachi 4:1-2 - For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch. But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.

That's a main reason why we differ. :grin: The Bible often uses some different language to describe events. Sometimes eternal/forever just mean until the end of an occasion, til everything is complete. So just like Sodom and Gomorrah's fire burn up, so will the lake of fire until nothing is left, as the verses in Malachi state.
 
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What I understand :
Life :
body + spirit = soul (living soul)
Gen. 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Death :
3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
Psalm 44:25For our soul is bowed down to the dust: our belly cleaveth unto the earth.
Eccl. 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Resurrection :
 Isa. 26:19 Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.

Dan. 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. 12:3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.
12:12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. 12:13 But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.
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Your body is yours for the time you are living, the spirit is for GOD. Death is not eternal, the unrighteous will burn until becoming dust. Only GOD is Eternal. We can participate in His eternity only through JESUS-CHRIST. Rev. 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
 
divya said:
Thanks girl. I was coming back to add it. Too slow for you ladies. :grin:

Here the Scripture tells us that the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah are an example of what will happen to the wicked at the end. The verse describes the cities as suffering "eternal" fire. But are they still burning? No, both have burned and went away. The Bible says that is our example of what will happen with the lake of fire.

Malachi 4:1-2 - For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch. But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.

That's a main reason why we differ. :grin: The Bible often uses some different language to describe events. Sometimes eternal/forever just mean until the end of an occasion, til everything is complete. So just like Sodom and Gomorrah's fire burn up, so will the lake of fire until nothing is left, as the verses in Malachi state.
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But it has nothing to do with the city burning. The city didn't sin. The people did and yes they are stilla burnin. In hell for now soon eternally in the lake of fire.
 
divya said:
That's what I'm asking. What do you understand eternal fire and forever in the below verses to mean?

Where the Bible said that Jonah was in the belly of the whale for ever Jonah 2:6, but then it says that he was in the whale 3 days and 3 days.

Where the Bible says that Sodom and Gomorrah suffered ETERNAL FIRE. Jude 1:7. Can we see it still burning?

Do you take it to mean your understanding? How do you know it doesn't have the same meaning as the verses above?

If forever means forever as you are arguing, do you then believe that Jonah is still in the belly of the whale?
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I mean just because we can not see it in the physical doesnt mean the process continue. As believers, we are to walk by faith not by sight. I also try to always keep my scriptures within context.

For example, Jonah was praying when he said forever. I was also very sorrowful and trapped in a whale. A second would feel like forever to me too. I cried and pray and say all kinds of crazy things too. We forget that the individuals of the bible very human and do and feel and think just as we do. Put yourself in his shoes...

Though Sodom and Gommorah does not physically burn, I bet the souls continue to burn and the people (not the place) continue to reap the punishment of God for their lawless ways.
 
prettyfaceANB said:
I mean just because we can not see it in the physical doesnt mean the process continue. As believers, we are to walk by faith not by sight. I also try to always keep my scriptures within context.

For example, Jonah was praying when he said forever. I was also very sorrowful and trapped in a whale. A second would feel like forever to me too. I cried and pray and say all kinds of crazy things too. We forget that the individuals of the bible very human and do and feel and think just as we do. Put yourself in his shoes...

Though Sodom and Gommorah does not physically burn, I bet the souls continue to burn and the people (not the place) continue to reap the punishment of God for their lawless ways.
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Where does that say that in the Scripture? How do you reconcile that belief with verses such as these?

Rev 20:5 - But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

John 5:28 - 29. Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Not jumping on you btw, I just don't understand how people who believe in hell that burns forever and never ends reconcile the example of Sodom and Gomorrah and all the other verses that state that we that die wait in the grave until Jesus returns to give us our reward, whatever it may be?
 
EbonyHairedPrincess said:
Wow really? You honestly don't realize this is not talking about the actual brick and morter city still burning? I suppose we must agree to disagree :blush: .
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Well, I accept what the Scriptures state. There were people within the city. Only Lot and his family escaped. So is the city still burning? The term used was eternal, and it does have a different meaning here.

Jude 1:7 as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. (NKJV)

The Bible does clearly state that is an example of the end eternal fire. So if the fire here did burn until everything was gone, so will the lake of fire in the end. We already know the one in the end will have people in it. Even if one wanted to say that the verses were refer to the brick and mortar for the cities, the Bible still says that this is an example of the end. So people will burn until they are gone, just like the cities did. Malachi tells us nothing will be left of them.
 
prettyfaceANB said:
Unrepent go to hell. Sodom and Gomorrah the city no longer exist. The people however burn with all the other unrepentent. No special scripture or meaning needed. Its a given.
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My approach may differ a bit. I personally cannot believe in just givens and need Scriptural bases. The verses tell us they will be an example of the end, of what the Bible calls eternal fire. So as they burned and don't exist, so will the lake of fire in the end.

I cannot just dismiss the verses due to a well accepted belief. I do understand that hell as you and ebony believe, is the "given" in mainstream Christianity. But this is just one of many things that I find in contradiction with the Scriptures. All in all, I just pray we are all in the Kingdom.
 
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divya said:
Where does that say that in the Scripture? How do you reconcile that belief with verses such as these?

Rev 20:5 - But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

^^^ What is there to reconcile? This is talking about end time prophecy which I don't know well. I can tell you that you need to begin to study the first and second resurrections in order to understand this scripture. The saints and Martyred are raised in the first resurrection. Later on is the second resurrection which is the wicked to be judged. Between the two is a thousand years of peace. After the second resurrection is the judgement then the lake of fire.

John 5:28 - 29. Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

I don't understand your point? This is more end time revelation. Basically accept salvation and follow the instructions God provided for you in his word and your fine.

Not jumping on you btw, I just don't understand how people who believe in hell that burns forever and never ends reconcile the example of Sodom and Gomorrah and all the other verses that state that we that die wait in the grave until Jesus returns to give us our reward, whatever it may be?
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The question wasn't really about Sodom or Gomorrah it was about


This about sums it up:

Question: "Where did Old Testament believers go when they died?"

Answer: The Old Testament teaches life after death, and that all people went to a place of conscious existence called Sheol. The wicked were there (Psalm 9:17; 31:17; 49:14; Isaiah 5:14), and so were the righteous (Genesis 37:35; Job 14:13; Psalm 6:5; 16:10; 88:3; Isaiah 38:10).

The New Testament equivalent of Sheol is Hades. Prior to Christ’s resurrection, Luke 16:19-31 shows Hades to be divided into two realms: a place of comfort where Lazarus was and a place of torment where the rich man was. The word hell in verse 23 is not “Gehenna” (place of eternal torment) but “Hades” (place of the dead). Lazarus’s place of comfort is elsewhere called Paradise (Luke 23:43). Between these two districts of Hades is “a great gulf fixed” (Luke 16:26).

Jesus is described as having descended into Hades after His death (Acts 2:27, 31; cf. Ephesians 4:9). At the resurrection of Jesus Christ, it seems that the believers in Hades (i.e., the occupants of Paradise) were moved to another location. Now, Paradise is above rather than below (2 Corinthians 12:2-4).

Today, when a believer dies, he is “present with the Lord” (2 Corinthians 5:6-9). When an unbeliever dies, he follows the Old Testament unbelievers to Hades. At the final judgment, Hades will be emptied before the Great White Throne, where its occupants will be judged prior to entering the lake of fire (Revelation 20:13-15).
 
EbonyHairedPrincess said:
The question wasn't really about Sodom or Gomorrah it was about


This about sums it up:

Question: "Where did Old Testament believers go when they died?"

Answer: The Old Testament teaches life after death, and that all people went to a place of conscious existence called Sheol. The wicked were there (Psalm 9:17; 31:17; 49:14; Isaiah 5:14), and so were the righteous (Genesis 37:35; Job 14:13; Psalm 6:5; 16:10; 88:3; Isaiah 38:10).

The New Testament equivalent of Sheol is Hades. Prior to Christ’s resurrection, Luke 16:19-31 shows Hades to be divided into two realms: a place of comfort where Lazarus was and a place of torment where the rich man was. The word hell in verse 23 is not “Gehenna” (place of eternal torment) but “Hades” (place of the dead). Lazarus’s place of comfort is elsewhere called Paradise (Luke 23:43). Between these two districts of Hades is “a great gulf fixed” (Luke 16:26).

Jesus is described as having descended into Hades after His death (Acts 2:27, 31; cf. Ephesians 4:9). At the resurrection of Jesus Christ, it seems that the believers in Hades (i.e., the occupants of Paradise) were moved to another location. Now, Paradise is above rather than below (2 Corinthians 12:2-4).

Today, when a believer dies, he is “present with the Lord” (2 Corinthians 5:6-9). When an unbeliever dies, he follows the Old Testament unbelievers to Hades. At the final judgment, Hades will be emptied before the Great White Throne, where its occupants will be judged prior to entering the lake of fire (Revelation 20:13-15).
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Actually, I have the Hebrew and Greek translations here.

Sheol translates to "the grave" in Hebrew.
Hades translates to "the grave" in the Greek.

I just clicked the Psalms 9:17 link. It reads - The wicked return to the grave,
all the nations that forget God.

Psalm 31:17 Let me not be put to shame, O Lord, for I have cried out to you; but let the wicked be put to shame and lie silent in the grave.

The verses you have posted support the grave translation.

Here are the verses that state that the dead are not conscious:

Ecclesiates 9:5-10 - For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.

Go thy way, eat thy bread with joy, and drink thy wine with a merry heart; for God now accepteth thy works. Let thy garments be always white; and let thy head lack no ointment. Live joyfully with the wife whom thou lovest all the days of the life of thy vanity, which he hath given thee under the sun, all the days of thy vanity: for that is thy portion in this life, and in thy labour which thou takest under the sun. Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.
 
I ain't did nothing but eat and read scriptures all evening. My husband in hovering so I need to go. Tuck my daughter in, exercise and shower. Talk to you ladies tommorrow.
 
EbonyHairedPrincess said:
I ain't did nothing but eat and read scriptures all evening. My husband in hovering so I need to go. Tuck my daughter in, exercise and shower. Talk to you ladies tommorrow.
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Girl, you better! That poor husband...awwww. My FH called like "what are you doing?" Guess that's what happens when you are studying the Word. Have a good night! :bighug:
 
Not jumping on you btw, I just don't understand how people who believe in hell that burns forever and never ends reconcile the example of Sodom and Gomorrah and all the other verses that state that we that die wait in the grave until Jesus returns to give us our reward, whatever it may be?[/quote]



This is exactly what I have been saying all along. I mean are we all just ignoring the scriptures that state exactly whats going on? The same scriptures are repeated over and over throughout this thread. I am just amazed.
 
prettyfaceANB said:
I have to disagree completely with you on this one.

Everyone will have to account for their own individual decisions. It doesnt really matter what we think is right or wrong or how we think God should run the universe. God truly loves us and it would grieve him to make anyone suffer eternally, He would never have us looking on our love ones watching them suffer forever and ever. If I was God, I'd accept everything but I am not God and there's a good reason for that. And because I am creation and not Creator, I have no right to question my Creator. I wasn't questioning God I was questioning the belief that anyone would think that a parable is the real thing. I am not a bible scholar, but I know that the bible back itsself up and there is no other parable, story or factual scripture that says. We will see hell through the gates of heaven and watch family and or friend out there begging us forever and ever to send them some comfort. I guess to some at some point they can just ignore them and go on. Yeah right. this is true we will see them, but after a while it will be over and then God will wipe the tear out of our eyes and a new heaven and a new earth will be created.




Isaiah 55:8-9
8 “ For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
Nor are your ways My ways,” says the LORD.
9 “ For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
So are My ways higher than your ways,
And My thoughts than your thoughts.

Heaven is for the saints and the repentant (those written in the Lamb's Book of Life). If God decides to give the unrepentant another chance, we do not know that in this lifetime because he doesnt tell us that in the Good Book. He does its called ---today

What you think is important now will no longer be important in heaven. In heaven we will be all one body. There will be no marriages and we will be like the angels (Mark 12:25). We will be flesh and blood as we are here only our bodies will not break down on us or die anymore.

It may be unfair but it is the God we serve that makes these laws, not us.
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What I was saying- was that God is so loving and so just and that he gives us so much time he is waiting patiently so that no one would be lost, No one. His laws are perfect.
 
EbonyHairedPrincess said:
^^^ I took the time to look up the scripture and I am a little disturbed. Jonah was in the midst of a prayer (pity party) when her used the term forever. There is no way you can confuse the definitions. One term is being used by a man who is lamenting over his self inflicted plight the other was instructed to write down most of the secret thing of the Most Holy that he was shown in a vision by God. The use of the word in the two different context leave absolutely no room for confusion:



1Then Jonah prayed to the LORD his God from the fish's belly. 2And he said:
"I cried out to the LORD because of my affliction,
And He answered me.
"Out of the belly of Sheoml I cried,
And You heard my voice.
3For You cast me into the deep,
Into the heart of the seas,
And the floods surrounded me;
All Your billows and Your waves passed over me.
4Then I said, "I have been cast out of Your sight;
Yet I will look again toward Your holy temple.'
5The waters surrounded me, even to my soul;
The deep closed around me;
Weeds were wrapped around my head.
6I went down to the moorings of the mountains;
The earth with its bars closed behind me forever;
Yet You have brought up my life from the pit,
O LORD, my God.
7"When my soul fainted within me,
I remembered the LORD;
And my prayer went up to You,
Into Your holy temple.
8"Those who regard worthless idols
Forsake their own Mercy.
9But I will sacrifice to You
With the voice of thanksgiving;
I will pay what I have vowed.
Salvation is of the LORD."

10So the LORD spoke to the fish, and it vomited Jonah onto dry land.​
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prettyfaceANB said:
Thats exactly what I thought. We on the same page. I was like, "He's praying...if I spent 2 minutes in a whale it would feel like forever to me too."
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The two of you are correct. When 'we' as humans are in the midst of something, it feels like 'Forever'.

Here's something we can 'all' identify with.

Growing my hair from neck length to shoulder length......

Took Forever

From Shoulder to APL.......

'Forever'

From APL to Bra Strap........

'Forever'

From Bra Strap to now almost Mid-Back

'Forever'

Come on , Mid Back stop taking 'Forever', I've waited long enough. ;).
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Jonah was a man in deep terror and distress. Thrown into a darkness of which he had never known and had no hope of escape or survival. That whale's belly was 'forever.'

Jonah's words were also the words of Jesus, a prophetic word from the Lord, speaking the very experience and agony that Jesus would be speaking as He, Himself, descended into hell, paying the price so that we would not have to. Prophetic words of the 'Cross' are all throughout the Word of God.

There's no doubt, as Jesus hung upon the cross, endured the pain, the agony, the torment, then released His spirit into the hands of God's plan of our redemption, to complete the entire process of the penalty of our sin, Jesus, too, felt that it was ........'Forever.' and 'Forever it was and still is. For the Price of our sin is paid in full, 'Forever'.
 
Shimmie said:
The two of you are correct. When 'we' as humans are in the midst of something, it feels like 'Forever'.

Here's something we can 'all' identify with.

Growing my hair from neck length to shoulder length......

Took Forever

From Shoulder to APL.......

'Forever'

From APL to Bra Strap........

'Forever'

From Bra Strap to now almost Mid-Back

'Forever'

Come on , Mid Back stop taking 'Forever', I've waited long enough. ;).
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Jonah was a man in deep terror and distress. Thrown into a darkness of which he had never known and had no hope of escape or survival. That whale's belly was 'forever.'

Jonah's words were also the words of Jesus, a prophetic word from the Lord, speaking the very experience and agony that Jesus would be speaking as He, Himself, descended into hell, paying the price so that we would not have to. Prophetic words of the 'Cross' are all throughout the Word of God.

There's no doubt, as Jesus hung upon the cross, endured the pain, the agony, the torment, then released His spirit into the hands of God's plan of our redemption, to complete the entire process of the penalty of our sin, Jesus, too, felt that it was ........'Forever.' and 'Forever it was and still is. For the Price of our sin is paid in full, 'Forever'.
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So then why is the same principle not applied to the lake of fire, particularly when numerous scriptures support the same application?
 
blazingthru said:
What I was saying- was that God is so loving and so just and that he gives us so much time he is waiting patiently so that no one would be lost, No one. His laws are perfect.
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Amen...maybe that's just it. God is loving, we as humans aren't as perfect as he. Even when it is clear that the Bible uses are different meaning for forever and eternal in so many places, and even when He gave us an example with Sodom and Gomorrah. God will not do that to His creations.

No matter the time, the same old deception prevails.

Genesis 3:4 And the serpent (Satan) said unto the woman, "Ye shall not surely die:

Today, there is just another twist to the lie. That even the wicked will not die, but will suffer endlessly. It's the same old story...
 
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Shimmie said:
The two of you are correct. When 'we' as humans are in the midst of something, it feels like 'Forever'.

Here's something we can 'all' identify with.

Growing my hair from neck length to shoulder length......

Took Forever

From Shoulder to APL.......

'Forever'

From APL to Bra Strap........

'Forever'

From Bra Strap to now almost Mid-Back

'Forever'

Come on , Mid Back stop taking 'Forever', I've waited long enough. ;).
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Mid-back is taking forever though. :lachen:
 
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