Soooo I was watching Creflo talk about a recording of hell

[divya]

Maybe we should start a thread about the purpose of parables...because there seem to be different ideas.

So, then...according to you, Jesus' words in the bible concerning the rich man and Lazarus should NOT be taken literally because it was a parable? Now, that's an interesting analysis.

Jesus spoke the truth...he didn't have to make up a story. If He did, then most of everything else He said may have been made up too. He told us the account for a reason...not for it to be JUST A PARABLE.

I don't know about everyone else, but I believe what the bible says....the whole bible, not just bits and pieces. It was important for Jesus to tell the story and many others, and so its just as important enough for me to believe it because HE SAID IT!

I don't need to throw a whole bunch of scriptures around to get my point across....but, what I know to be true is this: Jesus' words are the truth and everything else is a lie!

What is important for ME is to help people come to salvation through Jesus Christ...with His Word being the final authority...and I work very hard to do my part to make that happen...each and everyday. It's a pleasure and an honor to see people give their lives to Christ by asking Jesus to come into their heart!

A changed life, a life saved from spiritual death....that's what it's all about!

Be blessed, everyone.

Regardless, my point is that it is extremely important to understand the background of the parables. It's just like the symbolism in Revelation that means something deeper than the surface read. Take for instance, the parable of the Ten Virgins. There is a deeper meaning to the story. So please do not misconstrue my words or substitute any words because my post did not say that Jesus' words are just anything. No one stated that Jesus made up anything. Symbolism is used a number of times in the Bible.

I believe in the entire Bible and believe in sola scriptura. What is highly important however is the context and background of the Word.

Also, this has nothing to do with "throwing around a bunch of Scriptures to get my point across." The Bible says to search the Scriptures! We are given the Bible so that we may learn of Jesus and His purpose for us. He reveals so much through the word!

Bless.

 

[BeautifulFlower]

With everything that has been said I think we will can agree on one thing...

The unrepentent will live apart from God.

Now however you believe final judgement or life (immediately) after death occurs know this...

Make sure you're not on the losing team!

 

[divya]

With everything that has been said I think we will can agree on one thing...

The unrepentent will live apart from God.

Now however you believe final judgement or life (immediately) after death occurs know this...

Make sure you're not on the losing team!

And even if you believe that Christ is coming with His reward (Rev. 22:12), when you die then it is over. When you awaken, you will meet your reward - whether live eternally in heaven or the second death in the lake of fire. So believe on the Lord. Love Him and keep His commandments!

 

[EbonyHairedPrincess]

Maybe we should start a thread about the purpose of parables...because there seem to be different ideas.



Regardless, my point is that it is extremely important to understand the background of the parables. It's just like the symbolism in Revelation that means something deeper than the surface read. Take for instance, the parable of the Ten Virgins. There is a deeper meaning to the story. So please do not misconstrue my words or substitute any words because my post did not say that Jesus' words are just anything. No one stated that Jesus made up anything. Symbolism is used a number of times in the Bible.

I believe in the entire Bible and believe in sola scriptura. What is highly important however is the context and background of the Word.

Also, this has nothing to do with "throwing around a bunch of Scriptures to get my point across." The Bible says to search the Scriptures! We are given the Bible so that we may learn of Jesus and His purpose for us. He reveals so much through the word!

Bless.

I was going to let this thread go to thread heaven but after thinking about it. I can't think of a single parable that wasn't a literal example with a purpose filled message.

The pearl, the lamp, the brides are all literal examples and purpose filled messages to believers.

 

[BeautifulFlower]

I looked up the world hell, gehenna, and grave. I would a link between gehenna and hell but not hell and grave or gehenna and grave.

I also asked my mother who has read the Bible 4 times through and reads the bible on a regular basis. She said hell exist today. I asked to you agree based on what you've read that Earth will become hell. She said no. Hell is everlasting and this earth will pass way so they can not the same thing.

I was going to let this thread go to thread heaven but after thinking about it. I can't think of a single parable that wasn't a literal example with a purpose filled message.

The pearl, the lamp, the brides are all literal examples and purpose filled messages to believers.

 

[EbonyHairedPrincess]

^^^ This is end time prophecy stuff which I don't know well. Are you saying the Earth and Heaven will be completely distroyed? This is what I read:

2 Peter 10 - 14.


A New Heaven and Earth
10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar and the elements will be destroyed with intense heat, and the earth and its works will be burned up.
11 Since all these things are to be destroyed in this way, what sort of people ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness,
12 looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be destroyed by burning, and the elements will melt with intense heat!
13 But according to His promise we are looking for new heavens and a new earth, in which righteousness dwells.

Isaiah 65:17


17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind. 18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.

 

[Nice & Wavy]

Maybe we should start a thread about the purpose of parables...because there seem to be different ideas.There are different ideas because there are different beliefs, apparently.



Regardless, my point is that it is extremely important to understand the background of the parables. It's just like the symbolism in Revelation that means something deeper than the surface read. Take for instance, the parable of the Ten Virgins. There is a deeper meaning to the story. So please do not misconstrue my words or substitute any words because my post did not say that Jesus' words are just anything. No one stated that Jesus made up anything. Symbolism is used a number of times in the Bible.

I believe in the entire Bible and believe in sola scriptura. What is highly important however is the context and background of the Word.

Also, this has nothing to do with "throwing around a bunch of Scriptures to get my point across." The Bible says to search the Scriptures! We are given the Bible so that we may learn of Jesus and His purpose for us. He reveals so much through the word!

Bless.

Sorry that it took me so long to get back to this post...my computer at home is busted, so I had to wait to come to work to answer.

@ the bolded....I did not misconstrue your words...I simply answered your post according to how I read it.

I want you to know that I understand the scriptures and I do study to show myself approved unto God, a workman not ashamed...rightly dividing the word of truth. As I said before, I don't need to constantly throw scriptures around to get my point across....I say what I need to say and sometimes it doesn't always include scripture.

I totally understand what parables are as well. Jesus didn't use the parables to just fill in the blanks...there was a reason for them, and I take it literally...if He spoke to us about hell...he meant it and that means there is a hell. You may not agree with that, but it doesn't mean that its not true. I also understand about symbolism in scripture as well.

The whole point here is that your SDA beliefs is fine, but it doesn't mean that those of us who are not SDA are going to agree with it. (I was once SDA, so I know what those beliefs are)

I'm not going to continue on this any longer...there really isn't a need to. You don't believe in hell and I do...its just as simple as that.

Have a great day, divya.

 

[EbonyHairedPrincess]

Revelation Chapter 20:​

Satan Bound 1000 Years
Satan Bound; the Thousand-Year Reign; Final Judgment​

1Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; 3and he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should deceive the nations no more till the thousand years were finished. But after these things he must be released for a little while.​

The Saints Reign with Christ 1000 Years​

4And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a F116 thousand years. 5But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.​

Satanic Rebellion Crushed
(cf. Ezek. 38; 39)​

7Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison 8and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea. 9They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them. 10The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where F117 the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.​

The Great White Throne Judgment​

11Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them. 12And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, F118 and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books. 13The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hadems delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works. 14Then Death and Hadems were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. F119 15And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.​

 

[EbonyHairedPrincess]

Here is the Matthew Henry Commentary for this chapter from www.SearchGodsWord.com . My bible is a Matthew Henry Commentary Bible and I am familiar with it, this is the only reason I chose this one.


http://www.searchgodsword.org/com/mhc-com/view.cgi?book=re&chapter=20&verse=14#Re20_14

 

[BeautifulFlower]

^^^ This is end time prophecy stuff which I don't know well. Are you saying the Earth and Heaven will be completely distroyed? This is what I read:

2 Peter 10 - 14.


A New Heaven and Earth
10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar and the elements will be destroyed with intense heat, and the earth and its works will be burned up.
11 Since all these things are to be destroyed in this way, what sort of people ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness,
12 looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be destroyed by burning, and the elements will melt with intense heat!
13 But according to His promise we are looking for new heavens and a new earth, in which righteousness dwells.

Isaiah 65:17


17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind. 18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.

Yes, and to supplement that...

Revelation 21

All Things Made New

1 Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea. 2 Then I, John,[a] saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God. 4 And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away.”
5 Then He who sat on the throne said, “Behold, I make all things new.” And He said to me,[b] “Write, for these words are true and faithful.”
6 And He said to me, “It is done![c] I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. I will give of the fountain of the water of life freely to him who thirsts. 7 He who overcomes shall inherit all things,[d] and I will be his God and he shall be My son. 8 But the cowardly, unbelieving,[e] abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”
The New Jerusalem


9 Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls filled with the seven last plagues came to me[f] and talked with me, saying, “Come, I will show you the bride, the Lamb’s wife.”[g] 10 And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me the great city, the holy[h] Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, 11 having the glory of God. Her light was like a most precious stone, like a jasper stone, clear as crystal. 12 Also she had a great and high wall with twelve gates, and twelve angels at the gates, and names written on them, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel: 13 three gates on the east, three gates on the north, three gates on the south, and three gates on the west.
14 Now the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the names[i] of the twelve apostles of the Lamb. 15 And he who talked with me had a gold reed to measure the city, its gates, and its wall. 16 The city is laid out as a square; its length is as great as its breadth. And he measured the city with the reed: twelve thousand furlongs. Its length, breadth, and height are equal. 17 Then he measured its wall: one hundred and forty-four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of an angel. 18 The construction of its wall was of jasper; and the city was pure gold, like clear glass. 19 The foundations of the wall of the city were adorned with all kinds of precious stones: the first foundation was jasper, the second sapphire, the third chalcedony, the fourth emerald, 20 the fifth sardonyx, the sixth sardius, the seventh chrysolite, the eighth beryl, the ninth topaz, the tenth chrysoprase, the eleventh jacinth, and the twelfth amethyst. 21 The twelve gates were twelve pearls: each individual gate was of one pearl. And the street of the city was pure gold, like transparent glass.
The Glory of the New Jerusalem


22 But I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. 23 The city had no need of the sun or of the moon to shine in it,[j] for the glory[k] of God illuminated it. The Lamb is its light. 24 And the nations of those who are saved[l] shall walk in its light, and the kings of the earth bring their glory and honor into it.[m] 25 Its gates shall not be shut at all by day (there shall be no night there). 26 And they shall bring the glory and the honor of the nations into it.[n] 27 But there shall by no means enter it anything that defiles, or causes[o] an abomination or a lie, but only those who are written in the Lamb’s Book of Life.

 

[EbonyHairedPrincess]

I get so excited when I read about things to come. The book of Revelations puts everything right back into prospective. It makes me remember the trivial mess I deal with ain't nothing.

 

[Nice & Wavy]

I get so excited when I read about things to come. The book of Revelations puts everything right back into prospective. It makes me remember the trivial mess I deal with ain't nothing.

ITA with you!

 

[divya]

Sorry that it took me so long to get back to this post...my computer at home is busted, so I had to wait to come to work to answer.

@ the bolded....I did not misconstrue your words...I simply answered your post according to how I read it.

I want you to know that I understand the scriptures and I do study to show myself approved unto God, a workman not ashamed...rightly dividing the word of truth. As I said before, I don't need to constantly throw scriptures around to get my point across....I say what I need to say and sometimes it doesn't always include scripture.

I totally understand what parables are as well. Jesus didn't use the parables to just fill in the blanks...there was a reason for them, and I take it literally...if He spoke to us about hell...he meant it and that means there is a hell. You may not agree with that, but it doesn't mean that its not true. I also understand about symbolism in scripture as well.

The whole point here is that your SDA beliefs is fine, but it doesn't mean that those of us who are not SDA are going to agree with it. (I was once SDA, so I know what those beliefs are)

I'm not going to continue on this any longer...there really isn't a need to. You don't believe in hell and I do...its just as simple as that.

Have a great day, divya.

No problem. Hope your computer gets fixed.

Unfortunately, my words and beliefs are still being misconstrued. If in fact you were once SDA, it is honestly a bit strange that you claim that we don't believe in hell. Let me clarify for all - that claim is false. My statements show that in regards to the state of the dead, I do believe in hell as it is put forth in the Scriptures, particularly from studying the Greek terms and definitions. So in actuality, SDAs do believe in hell. Further, such beliefs also are not limited to SDAs but are shared by other non-mainstream Christians who have studied the state of the dead.

I absolutely do agree that parables have a purpose. However, just like the state of dead, I do believe often we must look deeper into the verses and search and compare verses to ensure we have the correct meaning and complete view. So yes, the Scriptures are what I will use in order to explain these things. It's fine that we do not agree but great to discuss the varying viewpoints. Hopefully you do understand, because your reaction does seem a bit threatened by other interpretations of the Scriptures. Relying on Scriptures for all understanding is not throwing them around. It is His Word, given to us to learn all about Him and His loving purpose for us.

God bless you!

 

[Nice & Wavy]

No problem. Hope your computer gets fixed.

Unfortunately, my words and beliefs are still being misconstrued. If in fact you were once SDA, it is honestly a bit strange that you claim that we don't believe in hell. Let me clarify for all - that claim is false. My statements show that in regards to the state of the dead, I do believe in hell as it is put forth in the Scriptures, particularly from studying the Greek terms and definitions. So in actuality, SDAs do believe in hell. Further, such beliefs also are not limited to SDAs but are shared by other non-mainstream Christians who have studied the state of the dead.

I absolutely do agree that parables have a purpose. However, just like the state of dead, I do believe often we must look deeper into the verses and search and compare verses to ensure we have the correct meaning and complete view. So yes, the Scriptures are what I will use in order to explain these things. It's fine that we do not agree but great to discuss the varying viewpoints. Hopefully you do understand, because your

reaction does seem a bit threatened by other interpretations of the Scriptures.

Relying on Scriptures for all understanding is not throwing them around. It is His Word, given to us to learn all about Him and His loving purpose for us.

God bless you!

I didn't react, I responded. I'm not threatened by scripture at all.

God bless you too!

 

[divya]

I didn't react, I responded. I'm not threatened by scripture at all.

God bless you too!

Ok, happy to hear!

 

[ChasingBliss]

I definitely should have checked this forum first before posting yesterday's thread

 

[blazingthru]

Why would anyone want to go to heaven if they can see their family members being tormented forever. I could not love a God that torments people forever and ever and ever. Its way to much to bear. I dont believe in my heart and soul or with any fiber in my being that God would do that to any living creature that he has created and loved to torment them forever in hell and we can see this as in the parapable there is a wall and they can see and speak to each other. Can a drop of water really quench your thirst for real? Can it? So I can talk to a family member that had died and was not saved, whom I loved, when? while I am in heaven. Just from not reading the bible I can see this makes no sense that there is a deeper meaning then this. what can it mean there has to be more then this since you never go back on your word and you have said that when we die we know nothing or aware of nothing and that eternal life is a gift we recieved only if we loved you and obeyed your commandments. I believed you want me to really examine the scriptures and remember your words. That at the end of this world every knee shall bow and confess that you are Lord. That the world with all its sinners will face Judgment and punishment will be given then and no other time. I in my simpleness know that your words are true and I can trust in you. That when judgement has been set and this world has burned up that the new heaven and new earth will be created and god will live among us.

 

[divya]

Why would anyone want to go to heaven if they can see their family members being tormented forever. I could not love a God that torments people forever and ever and ever. Its way to much to bear. I dont believe in my heart and soul or with any fiber in my being that God would do that to any living creature that he has created and loved to torment them forever in hell and we can see this as in the parapable there is a wall and they can see and speak to each other. Can a drop of water really quench your thirst for real? Can it? So I can talk to a family member that had died and was not saved, whom I loved, when? while I am in heaven. Just from not reading the bible I can see this makes no sense that there is a deeper meaning then this. what can it mean there has to be more then this since you never go back on your word and you have said that when we die we know nothing or aware of nothing and that eternal life is a gift we recieved only if we loved you and obeyed your commandments. I believed you want me to really examine the scriptures and remember your words. That at the end of this world every knee shall bow and confess that you are Lord. That the world with all its sinners will face Judgment and punishment will be given then and no other time. I in my simpleness know that your words are true and I can trust in you. That when judgement has been set and this world has burned up that the new heaven and new earth will be created and god will live among us.

This brought tears to my eyes. I am so grateful for God's love for us!

 

[EbonyHairedPrincess]

Why would anyone want to go to heaven if they can see their family members being tormented forever. I could not love a God that torments people forever and ever and ever. Its way to much to bear. I dont believe in my heart and soul or with any fiber in my being that God would do that to any living creature that he has created and loved to torment them forever in hell and we can see this as in the parapable there is a wall and they can see and speak to each other. Can a drop of water really quench your thirst for real? Can it? So I can talk to a family member that had died and was not saved, whom I loved, when? while I am in heaven. Just from not reading the bible I can see this makes no sense that there is a deeper meaning then this. what can it mean there has to be more then this since you never go back on your word and you have said that when we die we know nothing or aware of nothing and that eternal life is a gift we recieved only if we loved you and obeyed your commandments. I believed you want me to really examine the scriptures and remember your words. That at the end of this world every knee shall bow and confess that you are Lord. That the world with all its sinners will face Judgment and punishment will be given then and no other time. I in my simpleness know that your words are true and I can trust in you. That when judgement has been set and this world has burned up that the new heaven and new earth will be created and god will live among us.

This stops being about what we think, feel and understand and becomes what God wants. If the bible is telling you he will give you a peace that passes all understanding that is what you will get. If he tells you he will wipe away every tear from your eye that is what will happen.

 

[divya]

This stops being about what we think, feel and understand and becomes what God wants. If the bible is telling you he will give you a peace that passes all understanding that is what you will get. If he tells you he will wipe away every tear from your eye that is what will happen.

And that's exactly why I'm sure that no one will be burning endlessly...

Rev. 20:4 - And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

I'm so glad that God doesn't want that, not even for the wicked! He is so loving, so good!

 

[EbonyHairedPrincess]

And that's exactly why I'm sure that no one will be burning endlessly...

Rev. 20:4 - And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

I'm so glad that God doesn't want that, not even for the wicked! He is so loving, so good!

I'm not seeing the connection. Where are the scriptures to support this. I see where the Word says He will throw death and hell into the lake of fire. I see where the Word says the unrepentant sinner will also be cast into the lake of fire but where does it say only for a little while?

 

[BeautifulFlower]

I have to disagree completely with you on this one.

Everyone will have to account for their own individual decisions. It doesnt really matter what we think is right or wrong or how we think God should run the universe. If I was God, I'd accept everything but I am not God and there's a good reason for that. And because I am creation and not Creator, I have no right to question my Creator.

Isaiah 55:8-9
8 “ For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
Nor are your ways My ways,” says the LORD.
9 “ For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
So are My ways higher than your ways,
And My thoughts than your thoughts.

Heaven is for the saints and the repentant (those written in the Lamb's Book of Life). If God decides to give the unrepentant another chance, we do not know that in this lifetime because he doesnt tell us that in the Good Book.

What you think is important now will no longer be important in heaven. In heaven we will be all one body. There will be no marriages and we will be like the angels (Mark 12:25).

It may be unfair but it is the God we serve that makes these laws, not us.

Why would anyone want to go to heaven if they can see their family members being tormented forever. I could not love a God that torments people forever and ever and ever. Its way to much to bear. I dont believe in my heart and soul or with any fiber in my being that God would do that to any living creature that he has created and loved to torment them forever in hell and we can see this as in the parapable there is a wall and they can see and speak to each other. Can a drop of water really quench your thirst for real? Can it? So I can talk to a family member that had died and was not saved, whom I loved, when? while I am in heaven. Just from not reading the bible I can see this makes no sense that there is a deeper meaning then this. what can it mean there has to be more then this since you never go back on your word and you have said that when we die we know nothing or aware of nothing and that eternal life is a gift we recieved only if we loved you and obeyed your commandments. I believed you want me to really examine the scriptures and remember your words. That at the end of this world every knee shall bow and confess that you are Lord. That the world with all its sinners will face Judgment and punishment will be given then and no other time. I in my simpleness know that your words are true and I can trust in you. That when judgement has been set and this world has burned up that the new heaven and new earth will be created and god will live among us.

 

[Shimmie]

Why would anyone want to go to heaven if they can see their family members being tormented forever. I could not love a God that torments people forever and ever and ever. Its way to much to bear.

I dont believe in my heart and soul or with any fiber in my being that God would do that to any living creature that he has created and loved to torment them forever in hell and we can see this as in the parapable there is a wall and they can see and speak to each other.

Can a drop of water really quench your thirst for real? Can it?

So I can talk to a family member that had died and was not saved, whom I loved, when? while I am in heaven. Just from not reading the bible I can see this makes no sense that there is a deeper meaning then this. what can it mean there has to be more then this since you never go back on your word and you have said that when we die we know nothing or aware of nothing and that eternal life is a gift we recieved only if we loved you and obeyed your commandments.

I believed you want me to really examine the scriptures and remember your words. That at the end of this world every knee shall bow and confess that you are Lord. That the world with all its sinners will face Judgment and punishment will be given then and no other time. I in my simpleness know that your words are true and I can trust in you. That when judgement has been set and this world has burned up that the new heaven and new earth will be created and god will live among us.

Oh Dear....

This what has Carlton Pearson messed up and now he's teaching the fallacy that hell does not exist.

I didn't want to 'see' this at first in this thread, but it's here; the denial of hell which truly does exist and truly people do go there and truly the example in Luke 16 is exactly what hell is like.....utter torment.

Jesus gave us that example for a reason. An illustration of two men who made two separate choices and the consequences of each. One of them messed up and it wasn't God.

People have to realize that there is still a consequence. There is a place of destruction for satan and all of his cohorts and they will be destroyed along with all of those who have 'chosen' to follow him.

Heaven is and always will be a 'Perfect Place'. A place of no wars, hatred, killing, sickness, diseases, homosexuality, adultery, fornication, witchcraft, idolatry, theft, lying, wounded souls, and the list goes on and on. AND we 'choose'. People choose Heaven or hell by their lifestyles they choose to live.

There has to be a place where those who have renounced God and his love for them, to go. They can't float endlessly in the heavens, without a place to land. That's not the way God intended.

In order for Heaven to be the Heaven that it is, then there can be no entry for those who will come in and wreck havock. That wicked spirit of their character cannot enter the Heavenly gates. Otherwise we may as well stay right here with hell on earth. What's the point of having a Heaven? None!

As for family, friends, loved ones. The parable in Luke 16 says it all, when the rich man asked Abraham if he could send Lazarus to warn his brothers of the torment in hell to follow. The reply which is the truth.... his brothers, have the same as everyone else, a "Choice". The word of God is right there with them, and it speaks as plain as day what happens when those chose not to serve God. They can have Life or death, Blessing or cursing.......God said, "I'll make it easy for you, "Choose Life"!

People send themselves to hell, not God They have choices. Like it or not, believe it or not, that's the way it is.

Don't get mad at God and say, I can't possibly love a God who would send someone to hell and be tormented, torment His creation, etc. God didn't do it, 'THEY' did it. He gave each of us the same measure of mercy and truth and 'Fire Insurance'. While some trust in demons, I trust in God...by choice.

Fire Proof!

It's sad and it's one of the reasons I feel so sorry for gays. Here they are fighting for rights of benefits, upon earth, which number one they do not qualify for, and the saddest of all, earthen rights which won't save their souls. It's terribly sad for they've chosen the wrong battle which is not going to get them into Heaven. And they're just digging the hole even deeper.

Hell is real and people who choose it are going to reside in it. It's just that plain and simple. Those who deny there's a hell to go to, are simply giving themselves an excuse to continue the life they've chosen to live, without God.

Choose Life.

That's all one has to do to avoid hell and torment, wailing and snashing of teeth.

Choose Life.

Hell is real, Jesus is Life, Everlasting.

Praise Him!

 

[BeautifulFlower]

It doesnt.

The Scriptures are clear...

Revelation 20

Satan Bound 1000 Years

1 Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2 He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; 3 and he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should deceive the nations no more till the thousand years were finished. But after these things he must be released for a little while.

And then...

10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where[b] the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.


And then...

14 Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.[d] 15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.

I'm not seeing the connection. Where are the scriptures to support this. I see where the Word says He will throw death and hell into the lake of fire. I see where the Word says the unrepentant sinner will also be cast into the lake of fire but where does it say only for a little while?

 

[divya]

I'm not seeing the connection. Where are the scriptures to support this. I see where the Word says He will throw death and hell into the lake of fire. I see where the Word says the unrepentant sinner will also be cast into the lake of fire but where does it say only for a little while?

In my very first post, I touched on how the words "for ever" are used in the Scriptures. There are some Scriptures mentioned there that are helpful. http://www.longhaircareforum.com/showpost.php?p=7514721&postcount=34

Here's another one...

Malachi 4:1-2 - For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.
But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.

For much better clarification:
http://www.thetruthabouthell.net/
http://www.helltruth.com/q-a/forever-and-ever.aspx

A few other verses mention in the explanation:

Psalm 37:9-11 For evildoers shall be cut off: but those that wait upon the LORD, they shall inherit the earth. 10For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be: yea, thou shalt diligently consider his place, and it shall not be. But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace.

Psalm 68:2 - As smoke is driven away, so drive them away: as wax melteth before the fire, so let the wicked perish at the presence of God.

 

[divya]

The issue is that the words "for ever" in the Bible are NOT always used the same way we understand it today. Just like the Greek translation for hell is 54 times "grave" in the Bible.

The Bible says that Sodom and Gomorrah burned eternally/forever? But we know that it is not still burning. Jude 1:7/Peter 2:6

The Bible says that Jonah was in the belly of the whale forever? But we know that he came out after 3 days and nights because the Bible tells us that.

The same concept goes for the lake of fire/hellfire because of the verses posted.

Malachi 4:1-2 - For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.
But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.

Psalm 37:9-11 For evildoers shall be cut off: but those that wait upon the LORD, they shall inherit the earth. 10For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be: yea, thou shalt diligently consider his place, and it shall not be. But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace.

Psalm 68:2 - As smoke is driven away, so drive them away: as wax melteth before the fire, so let the wicked perish at the presence of God.

The wicked will be destroyed. They will be no more.

 

[BeautifulFlower]

How can you assume this means something other than eternity?

Rev 20:10 "....And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever."

It doesnt say for ever...or just forever...but day and night...forever and ever.

 

[divya]

How can you assume this means something other than eternity?

Rev 20:10 "....And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever."

It doesnt say for ever...or just forever...but day and night...forever and ever.

Again, The Bible said that Jonah was in the belly of the whale for ever Jonah 2:6, but then it says that he was in the whale 3 days and 3 days.

The Bible says that Sodom and Gomorrah suffered ETERNAL FIRE. Jude 1:7. Can we see it still burning?

It's not an assumption at all. It's from reading numerous verses and studying Biblical language.


What do you understand eternal and forever to mean in those verses?

 

[BeautifulFlower]

Again, The Bible said that Jonah was in the belly of the whale for ever Jonah 2:6, but then it says that he was in the whale 3 days and 3 days.

The Bible says that Sodom and Gomorrah suffered ETERNAL FIRE. Jude 1:7. Can we see it still burning?

It's not an assumption at all. It's from reading numerous verses and studying Biblical language.


What do you understand eternal and forever to mean in those verses?

Just because its not physically burning doesnt mean they are spiritually burning.

Eternal means eternal. My little human mind cannot even grasp the concept but I know its a long time.

I'd like to see a scripture that says the unrepentent will not stay in the lake of fire forever.

Thing is...I have noticed you say this means this and that means that but when I do the research myself I do not pull up these meanings at all. So I wonder where youre getting these meanings from.

 

[divya]

Just because its not physically burning doesnt mean they are spiritually burning.

Eternal means eternal. My little human mind cannot even grasp the concept but I know its a long time.

I'd like to see a scripture that says the unrepentent will not stay in the lake of fire forever.

Thing is...I have noticed you say this means this and that means that but when I do the research myself I do not pull up these meanings at all. So I wonder where youre getting these meanings from.

That's what I'm asking. What do you understand eternal fire and forever in the below verses to mean?

Where the Bible said that Jonah was in the belly of the whale for ever Jonah 2:6, but then it says that he was in the whale 3 days and 3 days.

Where the Bible says that Sodom and Gomorrah suffered ETERNAL FIRE. Jude 1:7. Can we see it still burning?

Do you take it to mean your understanding? How do you know it doesn't have the same meaning as the verses above?

If forever means forever as you are arguing, do you then believe that Jonah is still in the belly of the whale?