Soooo I was watching Creflo talk about a recording of hell

[blazingthru]

if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue godly men from trials and to hold the unrighteous for the day of judgment, while continuing their punishment 2 Peter 2:9

"Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation." John 5:28, 29.
And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be." Revelation 22:12. Here He reminds us that "every man"-every person-will receive his just reward when Christ returns to this earth. Job declares "that the wicked is reserved to the day of destruction. They shall be brought forth to the day of wrath." Daniel wrote that they which "sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt." Daniel 12:2.
Location of Hell

The Bible clearly asserts that this fire devours the wicked right here on "the breadth of the earth." Every Bible writer who speaks on the subject of hell adds new insight on this second death of the wicked. Peter states: "But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men." 2 Peter 3:7. Then he goes on to describe the day of the Lord which will melt the very elements with fervent heat.
The language of Peter is very explicit about the place of punishment for the un- godly. He says this earth is reserved for that fire which will bring judgment and perdition to the wicked. Their punishment will be in this earth. Isaiah declared, "For it is the day of the Lord's vengeance, and the year of recompenses for the controversy of Zion. And the streams thereof shall be turned into brimstone, and the land thereof shall become burning pitch." Isaiah 34:8, 9.
The prophet portrays the entire planet enveloped in the destroying fire. Even the streams and dust are transformed into an exploding combustion of pitch and brimstone. Isaiah says this is God's vengeance and "recompense" at the end of the controversy.
David adds to the testimony with these words, "Upon the wicked he shall rain snares, fire, and brimstone, and an horrible tempest: this shall be the portion of their cup." Psalm 11:6. Notice that he uses almost the same words as John and Peter in describing the fate of the wicked. All agree as to the place of the punishment (the earth) and the agent of punishment (fire).
This brings us to the third great fact about the subject of hell. Hell as a place of punishment will be this earth turned into a lake of fire at the Day of Judgment. But this also raises some other very interesting questions about the fate of the lost. One of the most intriguing and puzzling has to do with the length of punishment. How long will the wicked continue to live and suffer in that fire?
No one can answer that question precisely because the Bible says they will be punished according to their works. This means there will be degrees of punishment. Some will suffer longer than others. But one thing we can say with certainty-the wicked won't live in that fire throughout eternity.

 

[blazingthru]

Perhaps I'm not understanding what you are saying, but believing that Christ died and went to hell and emerged victorious over death and hell is foundational to Christianity.

Where in the bible does it say Christ died and went to hell. I read that in the catholic bible but no other and I have many many bibles.

 

[blazingthru]

For real! Look all I know it that there is hell or hades and there is a place called gehenna. Hell/hades is a holding place for the sinner until the judgement comes. After the judgement if your name is not found in the book of life off to gehenna/lake of fire you go.

Where does it say this in the bible? this holding place?

Hell will be the earth. The earth is where satan will be bound for 1,000.00 years alone, the earth will be dark and desolate and empty and there will be no one for the devil to tempt. No human will be alive, all that are saved will be in heaven. Those who died unsaved by choice will still be in the grave awaiting judgement. those who are saved will be in heaven helping decide their fate. yeah can you believe it its all true. Okay this is not my opinion this is all in the word of God. I was shocked to learn all this myself. In fact I just learned all this stuff within the last few months.

 

[divya]

Good thread. I agree with BlazingThru on this matter.

Hell here is the grave. It is not a place that is burning now or that burns forever. As Blazing has explained, the lake of fire is not yet in existence. John 5:28, 29/ Daniel 12:2. Further, forever in the Scriptures often has a different meaning than what we understand it to mean today. It often means until the end of an event. For an example, we can look at the story of Jonah. He describes the length of time as forever, but the Scriptures state that he was in the belly of the whale 3 days and 3 nights. Another example is Sodom and Gomorrah, where the Bible states that the cities suffered eternal fire. Jude 1:7. But we know that the cities are not still burning today. The Bible means that they simply burning until all was consumed. 2 Peter 2:6 confirms this by stating that Sodom and Gomorrah were reduced to ashes. It's the same concept with the lake of fire that will consume the wicked. The lake of fire that is supposed to burn forever, just means burning until everything is gone.

The Hebrew and Greek are really helpful here.


Rev. 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

The translation for hell here is the grave. So when all is said and done death and grave will be eternally destroyed. There will be no more of either. That's why in Rev. 21, the Scriptures go on to say...

Rev. 21:1-4 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

 

[divya]

Perhaps I'm not understanding what you are saying, but believing that Christ died and went to hell and emerged victorious over death and hell is foundational to Christianity.

So where are dead sinful people right now?

Acts 2:31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

The translation for hell here is the "grave/the place (state) of the departed souls."

For your reference, I am using the Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible, with Complete and Updated Hebrew and Greek Dictionaries. Christ gained the victory over death and the grave. See below...


I Cor 15:55 - O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

In this verse, the term grave is given the same reference as hell in Acts 2. The grave is just as defined - the grave/the place (state) of the departed souls.

 

[Shimmie]

I don't believe that hell is created or that there is such place in existence today. Hell is another word for the grave. The lake of fire will be created after the 1,000.00 years have passed.

This is just the devil trying to scare people. When this should not be the focused having a relationship with God and obeying his commandment and loving one another should be the focus.

Satan rather have everyone run around in fear and most people will not examine the scriptures to see what is real and what is not.

I agree with you Blazingthru about the Lake of Fire after the 1000 year milenium. But hell is still current and quite active and full of occupants.

Actually satan would rather have people NOT fear him and have them running around with the false doctrine that there is no hell in existance. It gives people free licence to sin without fear of consequence.

Luke 16 is clear about hell being in existance. The story of the poor beggar named Lazarus (not the same one that Jesus raised from the dead). There was a rich man who cared not for the poor such as Lazarus, who ate the crumbs which fell from the table.

Both of these men died. Lazarus went to what is known as the Bosom of Abraham (Paradise ... ie. Heaven). The rich man went to hell. While there, in hell the rich man was in torment. He looked up and cried unto Abraham, "Please send Larzarus to but wet my tongue with water from his finger". Abraham told him it wasn't feasible to do so; for there was a great gulf fixed between the two places; that neither could go to the other. There was a great divide which kept them separated.

The rich man cried, "Can you then at least send Lazarus to warn my brothers of this torment." Again, his request was refused, for they had 'Moses and the Prophets' (the word of God) to warn them of the impending doom of hell for those who missed Heaven.

Jesus also went to hell for us, when he gave up the ghost on the Cross; as it was part of our redemption. He went to hell so that we wouldn't have to. Jesus Paid it All... Hell, Death and the Grave.

Hell is real and hell is now, very much now. Folks think they have an escape clause, however if it's not Jesus, they're going to hell for sure.

I will say this, whatever those folks heard, it wasn't hell below. Hell is not in nor under the ground, below. The word of God also makes it plain that hell is up in the atmosphere, but at a level below Heaven. Ephesians 5 - Rulers of darkness, the Prince of the air; God made his enemy his footstool.

There's more, but this is just a start.

You have a strong stance in the Lord and I'm very encouraged by you. So, Ms Lady, keep Blazingthru. Keep giving the devil a migraine. Your light is blinding him.

 

[Almaz]

14.4 Kilometers is only 31.68 miles Coal, and gold miners sometimes are that deep or close to it.

Just saying

 

[sunnysmyler]

I'll just quickly add.....I love the books of Revelation and Daniel. I actually love reading about the angels, the seraphims, the 24 elders and all that!!! I get so excited in reading about the New Jerusalem......and I say this to myself...." It will be worth it all, every heartache, every pain, every purification process The Lord took me through, It will be worth it all"!!!!! HALLEUJAH!!!!!

 

[Crown]

Ecclesiaste 9 : 10Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.

Psalms 6 : 5For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks?

Psalm 16: 10For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

Mat.12: 40For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Acts 2 : 20The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and notable day of the Lord come:
22Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:
29Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
30Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
31He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

 

[Shimmie]

14.4 Kilometers is only 31.68 miles Coal, and gold miners sometimes are that deep or close to it.

Just saying

Maybe they were hearing 'echos' of previous activity. It's possible. The caves do hold sounds....

 

[Shimmie]

Ecclesiaste 9 : 10Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.

Psalms 6 : 5For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks?

Psalm 16: 10For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

Mat.12: 40For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Acts 2 : 20The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and notable day of the Lord come:
22Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:
29Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
30Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
31He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

Yes!

Thank you for posting the scriptures.

Not that I'm glad about hell... I didn't have a chance to post them.

 

[msa]

this is very very interesting...

I never thought to search out the Hebrew/Greek for the scriptures about hell, and y'all know how much I love my Hebrew translations.

 

[BeautifulFlower]

Where does it say this in the bible? this holding place?

Hell will be the earth. The earth is where satan will be bound for 1,000.00 years alone, the earth will be dark and desolate and empty and there will be no one for the devil to tempt. No human will be alive, all that are saved will be in heaven. Those who died unsaved by choice will still be in the grave awaiting judgement. those who are saved will be in heaven helping decide their fate. yeah can you believe it its all true. Okay this is not my opinion this is all in the word of God. I was shocked to learn all this myself. In fact I just learned all this stuff within the last few months.

I am just learning about this so bear with me....

My first question is where does it say Satan will be bound on earth? Is earth the Abyss? Second, where does it say no one will be alive on earth because the below scripture says Satan will be bound so that he can not deceive for a thousand years? Who can he deceive if everyone is dead?

Revelation 20
1And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain. 2He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. 3He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time.

 

[blazingthru]

I am just learning about this so bear with me....

My first question is where does it say Satan will be bound on earth? Is earth the Abyss? Second, where does it say no one will be alive on earth because the below scripture says Satan will be bound so that he can not deceive for a thousand years? Who can he deceive if everyone is dead?

Revelation 20
1And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain. 2He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. 3He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time.

I do not wish to be a stumbling block against anyone. Hell is the grave, It is not a place of torment as of this moment. the entire earth will be a grave. People that died and come back and tell you stories about Hell, its not true, They didn't die, they were clincially dead but their breath of life did not go to God yet, Trust if it did it would not have come back, unless the good lord decided to make it happen. an any case, they knew nothing because there is no dreaming in death. Nothing happens when you die. When Jesus comes again. He will bring all those who love him and has obeyed his commandments and loved one another to him. those that are alive and remain will all die. Right then and there. they will lie on the ground where they are, no one will mourn them no one will bury them. they will lie where they are until they are just scattered bones and satan will be here unable to torment anyone. When the 1,000.00 years are up. the dead will arise and Satan will be released to go and decieved them again for the last and final battle. Hell is just the grave nothing more then that. The earth is the Abyss yes it is. which will be the lake of fire, Satan will be bound here so that he can not go to and forth visiting any where else in the world we have no ideal what God has created above whats in the word of God, our minds are limited we can't even imagine other worlds that might exist. Not talking aliens either that come and visit earth. But scriptures are important so I will provide scriptures to you later today. I am getting ready to go to work and wanted to have a quite time and decided to come in here before leaving.

 

[EbonyHairedPrincess]

Ecclesiaste 9 : 10Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.

Psalms 6 : 5For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks?

Psalm 16: 10For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

Mat.12: 40For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Acts 2 : 20The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and notable day of the Lord come:
22Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:
29Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
30Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
31He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

Thank you for posting these.

 

[EbonyHairedPrincess]

I do not wish to be a stumbling block against anyone. Hell is the grave, It is not a place of torment as of this moment. the entire earth will be a grave. People that died and come back and tell you stories about Hell, its not true, They didn't die, they were clincially dead but their breath of life did not go to God yet, Trust if it did it would not have come back, unless the good lord decided to make it happen. an any case, they knew nothing because there is no dreaming in death. Nothing happens when you die. When Jesus comes again. He will bring all those who love him and has obeyed his commandments and loved one another to him. those that are alive and remain will all die. Right then and there. they will lie on the ground where they are, no one will mourn them no one will bury them. they will lie where they are until they are just scattered bones and satan will be here unable to torment anyone. When the 1,000.00 years are up. the dead will arise and Satan will be released to go and decieved them again for the last and final battle. Hell is just the grave nothing more then that. The earth is the Abyss yes it is. which will be the lake of fire, Satan will be bound here so that he can not go to and forth visiting any where else in the world we have no ideal what God has created above whats in the word of God, our minds are limited we can't even imagine other worlds that might exist. Not talking aliens either that come and visit earth. But scriptures are important so I will provide scriptures to you later today. I am getting ready to go to work and wanted to have a quite time and decided to come in here before leaving.

I've seen these beliefs before and it boils down to the translation of the word hell for hebrew and greek and all the other languages the bible has been translated from. Yes some scripture use the word hell in reference to death but other scriptures use the same word as "hell" holding place for sinners until judgement.

 

[blazingthru]

If we let the Bible mean what it says, there can be no doubt on this point. The wicked are "reserved" until when? Until the "day of judgment." To be what? "To be punished"! This means they cannot be punished before that judgment day. Does the Bible tell where they are reserved until then? Christ Himself said, "Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation." John 5:28, 29.

 

[blazingthru]

How plain! Jesus said that both good and bad will come forth from their graves to receive either life or damnation. This proves that from the time of death until they come forth in the resurrection they are not receiving any recompense or punishment. It all happens after they come forth. They are reserved until that day just as Peter indicated, but Christ spelled out where they will be reserved-"in the graves." Luke 14:14

 

[blazingthru]

Revelation 20:5. "But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished." Here, the rest of the dead, or the wicked, are said to remain in their graves till the close of the thousand years. Then they will come forth in the second resurrection.

 

[blazingthru]

Revelation 20:5. But what of the living wicked? They shall be destroyed by the "brightness of His coming." 2 Thessalonians 2:8. They will pray for the rocks and the mountains to fall on them to hide them from the presence of Jesus. Sin cannot exist in His presence, therefore sinners will be struck down when He appears. The prophet Jeremiah says of this time, "And the slain of the Lord shall be at that day from one end of the earth even unto the other end." Jeremiah 25:33. Then he adds this significant comment, "they shall not be lamented, neither gathered, nor buried. . ." Why will they not be lamented or buried? For the simple reason, my friends, that there is no one left upon the face of the whole earth. The righteous are all in heaven with Jesus, the wicked dead remain in their graves, and the wicked who are slain must lie where they fell. The earth has been emptied of all its inhabitants.

 

[blazingthru]

Jeremiah's picture of it. "I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void: and the heaven and they had no light. I beheld, the mountains, and lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly. I beheld, and lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled. I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the Lord, and by His fierce anger." Jeremiah 4:23-26. At the coming of Jesus there was a great earthquake which caused cities to crumble. At the "presence of the Lord," man's strongest institutions turn into rubble and ruin.

 

[EbonyHairedPrincess]

Jeremiah's picture of it. "I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void: and the heaven and they had no light. I beheld, the mountains, and lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly. I beheld, and lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled. I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the Lord, and by His fierce anger." Jeremiah 4:23-26. At the coming of Jesus there was a great earthquake which caused cities to crumble. At the "presence of the Lord," man's strongest institutions turn into rubble and ruin.

Blazing I am not going to get any work done reading all these scriptures .

 

[Shimmie]

Blazing I am not going to get any work done reading all these scriptures .

I guess I won't post mine then.

Be it Heaven or hell, everyone have a wonderful and blessed Heavenly day. :blowkiss:

 

[MeccaMedinah]

14.4 Kilometers is only 31.68 miles Coal, and gold miners sometimes are that deep or close to it.

Just saying

This is how I knew it was a complete lie. He said 'some 14 kilometers' knowing most Americans won't bother to convert the measurement.
14.4 Kilometers = 8.94774517 Miles

 

[Shimmie]

I do not wish to be a stumbling block against anyone.

We don't see you as a stumbling block....

 

[blazingthru]

I am just learning about this so bear with me....

My first question is where does it say Satan will be bound on earth? Is earth the Abyss?

Webster dictionary
Abyss: The primeval chaos, the bottomless pit, a gulf, immeasurable and profound depth or void. A Gulf, Hollow, empty space, Chasm, the deep, void

Genesis: 1:2 the earth was without form, and void: and darkness was on the face of the deep.
Now when God said let there be light, he gather the dry land and made it so we can walk upon it he called this dry land Earth. God created grass and trees and separated the waters and he made this our world. I can’t fathom this earth without all these things but once these things are destroyed it will once again become the Abyss as it originally was from the very beginning. I believe in older versions of the bible it was called the Abyss.

 

[Crown]

Where does it say this in the bible? this holding place?

Hell will be the earth. The earth is where satan will be bound for 1,000.00 years alone, the earth will be dark and desolate and empty and there will be no one for the devil to tempt. No human will be alive, all that are saved will be in heaven. Those who died unsaved by choice will still be in the grave awaiting judgement. those who are saved will be in heaven helping decide their fate. yeah can you believe it its all true. Okay this is not my opinion this is all in the word of God. I was shocked to learn all this myself. In fact I just learned all this stuff within the last few months.

Studying, but not so sure about this!
Jer. 4:27 For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end.
Zec. 12:3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.
12:8 In that day shall the LORD defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the LORD before them.
12:9 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem. 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.
13:1 In that day there shall be a fountain opened to the house of David and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem for sin and for uncleanness.
13:8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the LORD, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein. 13:9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God.
Mat. 5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
Rev. 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
Rev. 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Rev. 2:25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come. 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: 2:27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
Rev. 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
Psalm 2:8
Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.
2:9Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter’s vessel.
Luke 19:12 He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return.
19:15 And it came to pass, that when he was returned, having received the kingdom, then he commanded these servants to be called unto him, to whom he had given the money, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading.
19:17 And he said unto him, Well, thou good servant: because thou hast been faithful in a very little, have thou authority over ten cities.
19:19 And he said likewise to him, Be thou also over five cities.

 

[divya]

Studying, but not so sure about this!
Jer. 4:27 For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end.
Zec. 12:3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.
12:8 In that day shall the LORD defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the LORD before them.
12:9 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem. 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.
13:1 In that day there shall be a fountain opened to the house of David and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem for sin and for uncleanness.
13:8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the LORD, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein. 13:9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God.
Mat. 5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
Rev. 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
Rev. 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Rev. 2:25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come. 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: 2:27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
Rev. 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
Psalm 2:8
Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.
2:9Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter’s vessel.
Luke 19:12 He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return.
19:15 And it came to pass, that when he was returned, having received the kingdom, then he commanded these servants to be called unto him, to whom he had given the money, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading.
19:17 And he said unto him, Well, thou good servant: because thou hast been faithful in a very little, have thou authority over ten cities.
19:19 And he said likewise to him, Be thou also over five cities.

Good verses. It's all about timing. For example, the meek definitely will inherit the earth. However, that will happen after the 1000 year period and after the wicked are destroyed. Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

I think these verses may help...

Revelation 20:4] And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

So here we realize that all the righteous will be in heaven with Christ for the 1000 years. BUT at the same time...

Revelation 20:5. "But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished."

The dead are not alive during the 1000 years. Not until the 1000 years are over will they be allowed to live again, and ultimately will be destroyed. After their destruction, we move into Rev 21 where the Bible shows us the new heaven and earth...

There's so much more with the verses you've posted. This is a great study! But alas, homework calls. Be back!

 

[divya]

I've seen these beliefs before and it boils down to the translation of the word hell for hebrew and greek and all the other languages the bible has been translated from. Yes some scripture use the word hell in reference to death but other scriptures use the same word as "hell" holding place for sinners until judgement.

Well, the grave (hell) is in a sense, a holding place until judgment for the wicked or until the second coming for those who die in Christ... Many times in the Scriptures, the Bible refers to death as a sleep. One example of this is where Jesus spoke about Lazarus:

John 11:11-14 These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep. Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleep, he shall do well. Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep. Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.

Here Jesus refers to death as a sleep. We get a great picture of what happens to us when we die (sleep) in Christ and what will happen when Jesus comes etc. When Jesus returns the dead in Christ will rise first and those who are alive will be "caught up" with them in the air.

1 Thess 4:16 -17 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

So now we understand, that like Lazarus, those who died in Christ will remain in the grave until Jesus comes. However, those wicked who are living at the time of the Second Coming will die due to the awesomeness of Christ's coming.

2 Thess 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

So now we see that the grave (hell) will be the holding place for all the wicked until judgment - until the final destruction of the wicked. Those wicked who were already dead before Christ's coming remain in the grave and those who are wicked and living at the time of Christ's coming will die due to His brightness. So all the wicked will die.

Then the Bible tell us how long they will be dead, and when they will be allowed to live again.

Rev 20:5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

The Bible makes sure to tell us that after the 1000 years, that is the first time that the wicked are allowed to live again. They are not resurrected before that. They are not already in any burning place. They are in the grave (hell).

After they are resurrected, the final destruction will occur.

Rev. 20:13-15 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Notice the Bible says that "death and hell" delivered up the dead which were in them. It would not make sense if death and "burning fire" delivered up the dead for judgment. When you look at the Greek, it translates to "death and the grave" delivered up the dead for judgment. That makes sense because the wicked were dead and in the grave (hell). So they were resurrected out of the grave for the final judgment. Then death and the grave are cast into the lake of fire. That is the second death. Ultimately, the wicked are destroyed. as are death and the grave (hell). That means that finally God does away with it all. No more dying. No more grave...so more burying our loved ones. So then we move into Rev. 21...

Rev. 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

Ok now I'm going to do my homework. The Bible is just so much more interesting!

 

[EbonyHairedPrincess]

We don't see you as a stumbling block....

Exactly! Iron sharpens iron. If we don't "challenge" each other in our beliefs we don't grow.