Real Talk: Please give me examples and numbers

[Maksi]

I would say about 10% to 15% of black women I see on the street have BSL hair.

Our "problem" with our hair is not that we collectively have slow growing hair. There is no black-slowgrowth gene Our hair growth rates are JUST as varied as theirs. (HOW IN THE WORLD CAN A MEMBER HERE NOT REALIZE THAT WITH ALL THE LONG HAIR FLOWING AROUND HERE?!)

What we do have a problem with is working with our fragile texture. Even naturals have a difficult time retaining length. It's easier for people with less coarse, less curly and kinky hair to retain length.

ITA, plus so many of us don't have the knowledge of proper haircare and don't believe that their hair can grow long. I used to think my hair would only grow to a certain length, neck, but it have grown much longer. When I was in college is where I saw the most sisters with long hair. I even saw dark complected women with long hair. I slowly began to wake up.

 

[Faith]

I'm in Alberta Canada (to give you some demographics). If I was counting people I have seen with BSB and longer (at some point in their lives) I would say my mom, my grandmother, my older sister, 11 girls from around town over the years.

 

[FAMUDva]

but that doesn't mean that there aren't plenty of white women that age well... and plenty of black women who don't age well. Why do we feel the need to make wide generalizations?

Obviously for EVERY rule there are exceptions... I never said all white women don't age well... nor did I say ALL black women do. I didn't say that nor do I believe that. But I'm also not going to front like I don't see white women my age that look 10 yrs older than me consistantly. Most of the time they think I'm the one lying about my age.

This was really a quick and simple question really. Not trying to figure out why black women are or aren't seen with long hair all the time... I'm simply asking "How many black women do you see with long hair in your real life everyday?". That's what I'm asking. I'm a scientist who specializes in genetics so I know the logic behind genetics, etc... I'm not asking that specifically of LHCF with my OP. That has been hit on very often around here with everyone agree to disagree.

Again, we'll have to agree to disagree I guess.

ETA: General disclaimer... I am a scientist who taught Developmental Anatomy, so I do understand how cellular biology and genetics works. I'm asking a generic question today though; thanks for all the responses Keep 'em coming...

 

[LunadeMiel]

Obviously for EVERY rule there are exceptions... I never said all white women don't age well... nor did I say ALL black women do. I didn't say that nor do I believe that. But I'm also not going to front like I don't see white women my age that look 10 yrs older than me consistantly. Most of the time they think I'm the one lying about my age.

This was really a quick and simple question really. Not trying to figure out why black women are or aren't seen with long hair all the time... I'm simply asking "How many black women do you see with long hair in your real life everyday?". That's what I'm asking. I'm a scientist who specializes in genetics so I know the logic behind genetics, etc... I'm not asking that specifically of LHCF with my OP. That has been hit on very often around here with everyone agree to disagree.

Again, we'll have to agree to disagree I guess.

Then why aren't you schooling us... I'm sitting here trying to remember years of biology.... Actually it should be fresh since I'm taking Human bio right now...

 

[Maksi]

Three subjects with virgin African hair combed daily had surprisingly short hair length measurements of 40.1 ± 14 mm, 60 ± 10 mm, and 69 ± 20 mm at 6 months, 1 year, and 3 years after a haircut, respectively. This observation raises the possibility that combing African hair on a daily basis may result in the equivalent of a daily haircut in some people. This observation is based on few participants and will require confirmation in population studies

Makes me think about dreadlocks. My sister has been locked for 15 years. Her hair grows very fast and shows it's length because she colors it. Her hair grew from TWA to waist in about 7 years. She keeps it cut to BS these days.

 

[FAMUDva]

Then why aren't you schooling us... I'm sitting here trying to remember years of biology.... Actually it should be fresh since I'm taking Human bio right now...

Because no matter what you say on LHCF someone's sister's cousin's mother's daughter disproves that evidence. Plus I come to LHCF to take a break from my technical life... while I'm actually at work .

I was really just asking a straight forward question. To me it doesn't matter WHY I don't see so many black women with or without long hair, I'm just wonder if I'm the only one that on average doesn't see that many (statistically speaking). And I DO live in a chocolate city with women who have beautiful healthy hair.

 

[HeyItsHoney]

I have only known one black person in real life who had BSL or longer hair.

I have a cousin who had butt length hair when she was 13-15. Her mom kept her hair in Alicia Keys style braids most of the time, and just put oil on it. Both her parents are black and she has 3C/4A hair. By the time she was 16 she insisted on doing her own hair like most teenagers, and all her long ringlets were about shoulder length and looked fried in like 8 months.

Taking care of your hair is the key. Honestly, now that white women use flatirons regularly, you don't see them with with BSL hair as often as you used to. A white girl with bouncy, shiny BSL is not that common these days.

 

[Candycane044]

I know about 5 or so women personally with BSL or longer that are black.

I think it's LESS about growth and MORE about retention with us. Clearly, if you're having to go get a relaxer every 4-8 weeks, your hair is growing, not "reverting."

If we all knew what to do in order to retain our hair, and consistently DID IT, I think we'd all have longer hair. Seeing as many of us are undoing years if not decades of bad habits, we can't expect immediate results. Your hair did not get to the stage it's in overnight, so it won't be miraculously healed overnight either.

ITA, it's definitely about retention. Our hair is a different texture that requires different techniques. Most of these techniques we're still trying to figure out.

Our hair requires different attention because it is a different texture. Yes we know its fragile because of the curls and bends but if we educated ourselves on what we needed to do there would be more longer-haired blacks (for those of us who want longer hair)

A lot of black women have bad hair practices and are trying to make their hair do something it doesn't i.e. relaxers. And then some abuse relaxers and heat.

Like someone else said its more about hair care and retention than the actual growth rate. Look at how many women on LHCF came with jacked hair and have long hair now or who have since gone natural.

When you know better you do better.

But to answer the question I know about 7 women with at least BSL or longer hair. And the commonality among them are they are either natural or don't relax often. They also do not wear weaves or extentions which I personally believe hinders our hair growth because of the stress on the scalp.

Nicely worded!

Think of all the things we do to our fragile hair. Our hair is different, our growth rate is NOT dfferent. the average human being-- regardless of race-- will get that .5 inches. On average, how many of us here get that without growth aids? Let's do a poll and we'll see the bell curve at 0.5.

The reason our hair is shorter is because our hair is breaking off just as fast, if not faster than it's growing. The same just is not true about other women, and in most cases it has been that way since we were very young kids. Most of these other women aren't 25 and just now learning/growing after being EL all their lives. Many of us are starting out that way because our parents did not have the knowledge. I watched my niece's hair progress from two pigtails at an average SL length at 3, to when they started complaining that her hair was "unmanageable" and "unruly" as her texture changed with age, and it started to break off to where it will likely be until someone shows her better than kiddie perms and pressing combs and rattail combs and hair grease. Or think of how many of us had longer hair as a young child when our moms just used to put us in 2 braided pigtails and called it a day, vs. when you got to high school and started thinking you were cute & cool and doing all of this other stuff to your hair like relaxing?
Once we get the knowledge of how to properly care for it, we start to fare better as evidenced here, but even then many of us are still having breakage just because our hair is super fragile.

And look around-- BSL, MBL, WL is rare on other chicks as well. I've been paying more attention to everyone's hair length lately, and on other women... they are usually between SL and APL. It's hard for us to notice that just because it's more than what we see in our own communities, but pay extra attention when you are at work or in other neighborhoods. I see about 75% SL and APL.

6 inches a year is the average, regardless. Retention is the key. And yes, retention is much more difficult for us. Yet almost everyone I know with dredlocks has hair that is past APL, BSL... WL & beyond if it could be straightened. Imagine that.

Couldn't have said it better myself!

The bottom line is that our hair can grow just as fast as everyone elses, and just as long. We don't see many people with long hair in our community because as a whole we are just now learning how to take care of our hair most effectively. Just think about how many ladies on LHCF have never had hair past a certain length, and are finally achieving BSL and longer, but then when they try to take the information to the community and their friends, people think they're crazy. Until we learn what's best for our hair types the retention is not going to happen.

Lastly, I don't think anyone feels inferior because whether or not the growth rate is the same, it has been proven by this website that we CAN grow our hair to the same lengths as everyone else.

Now to answer your question IRL I've seen about 3 black women with BSL hair. This is excluding the countless number of people I've seen with dredlocks way past BSL. (I'm not saying dredlocks are necessary for us to have long hair but I think it's something we should pay attention to, perhaps it's the lack of manipulation and chemicals)

 

[naturalmanenyc]

I personally know a few Black women with BSL or longer hair. My BFF has always had long, thick hair since we were children and many of her friends also have BSL hair. Another friend 3c/4a is currently BSL although she usually wears her curls.

I also know of a number of White women who never get past APL.

 

[Serenity_Peace]

Thanks for the honest responses ladies.
Please understand that I'm not saying black women can't or don't grow long hair; I'm just saying I don't see as many with long hair as I see white, latina and Asian women in my neck of the woods (Atlanta, GA). I do see quite a few black women with long healthy hair here, just not, on average, as many as I see of women from other backgrounds.

The other thing I noticed on other long hair sites that cater to women of various ethnic and racial backgrounds, what's considered long hair to them is a different standard than it is on LHCF. Maybe it's just psychology, but it makes me wonder often.

I wanted to echo you here, too. I know that there are a lot of long-haired ladies here on LHCF, which is proof that black women CAN and DO grow hair. I'm just not convinced that ON AVERAGE we grow hair as fast as other ethnicities. Does that mean that there are no black women out there who have fast growth rates? No. Does that mean that there are no white women who have slow rates? No. It just means that ON AVERAGE black women have slower growth rates than Asians or Caucasians. That's just the way it is.

 

[PinkSkates]

Because no matter what you say on LHCF someone's sister's cousin's mother's daughter disproves that evidence. Plus I come to LHCF to take a break from my technical life... while I'm actually at work .

I was really just asking a straight forward question. To me it doesn't matter WHY I don't see so many black women with or without long hair, I'm just wonder if I'm the only one that on average doesn't see that many (statistically speaking). And I DO live in a chocolate city with women who have beautiful healthy hair.

Thank you FAMUDva! at the bold! So funny and so true!

 

[ShaniKeys]

In my personal life: I know one quadroon girl (of Mozambican descent) with curly WL hair

At work: one girl (half Kenyan half Belgian) with thick MBL hair

 

[lollyoo]

Didnt someone point out a study? Isn't this where this thread stemmed from. I have read this somewhere. Let me go find the link.

As far as my comment, it was based off of taking over 6 years of biology which included evolution and natural selection. My point was that, it would make sense to have slower hair and kinkier texture based on the environment that we originated from.

What sense would it make to have fast growing hair that would only keep your head hot thus increasing your brain temp. Just a few degrees above normal would cause irreperable damage to protein bonds. It would make sense that this combined with a kinkier texture would be beneficial to our survival. Heat needs to excape. A lot of hair on your head would serve to insulate your scalp thus, making it harder for it to excape.

ETA:
http://www.pg.com/science/haircare/hair_twh_21.htm
http://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...serid=10&md5=0407391e950c58304781f18e0c012e6c

I have to disagree with you on this I am african, Nigerian to be precised. My hair actually grows better when I am in NIgera. The only Time I have been passed APL almost BSL was when I was living in Nigeria.

All resources have read shows average is 6in irrespective of race.

To be honest here, I rarely see people here with BSL whether black or white. But APl Whites is more common than APL black.

IMO a lot of us dont know how to take of our own hair.

But it is difficult to grow hair beyond BSL either white or black, check out long hair community and you will understand what I mean

 

[CheLala13]

Sometimes I think people confuse how much growth someone will get in a month/year with how long their hair actually is. As far as how much growth different ethnicities get, I believe it to be average. But what people here and in general seem to be measuring is how long someone's hair is, which is obviously different.

 

[mahogany_horizons]

Educated people will seek out the info more often. Sad, but true. That's what I think it is.

I mean... even here at lhcf there are A LOT of successful women. Haven't you ever noticed it? How many times have you walked into a room full with hundreds of college educated/professional black women? For me I'd have to honestly have to say, doesn't happen much to me IRL.

I AM COMPLETELY AND TOTALLY IN AGREEMENT WITH THIS STATEMENT. I agree, and this probalby accounts for much of the differences we see in LHCF, and the world at large!

 

[crazydaze911]

I live in NYC so there are alot of black women with long hair here. I dont know if its due to internet knowledge or just better products (like home relaxers with jojoba oil, etc) but i've definitely noticed the average black women in NYs hair getting a bit longer. I never saw BSL black women growing up but now i see them all the time.

Some of you may want to fight me for saying this but NOTHING will convince me that we are neck and neck or on par with other races - i just speak from my own experience. I think that we CAN grow long hair, just as long as some other races, but i just think it takes us more conscious effort do to so. I know pple of other races that fry there hair everyday and it still grows long - i dont think we can do that. plus, unless we relax bone straight it will take more growth for our hair to 'appear' longer.

 

[mahogany_horizons]

Just think about how many ladies on LHCF have never had hair past a certain length, and are finally achieving BSL and longer, but then when they try to take the information to the community and their friends, people think they're crazy. Until we learn what's best for our hair types the retention is not going to happen.

Lastly, I don't think anyone feels inferior because whether or not the growth rate is the same, it has been proven by this website that we CAN grow our hair to the same lengths as everyone else.

Now to answer your question IRL I've seen about 3 black women with BSL hair. This is excluding the countless number of people I've seen with dredlocks way past BSL. (I'm not saying dredlocks are necessary for us to have long hair but I think it's something we should pay attention to, perhaps it's the lack of manipulation and chemicals)

I AGREE WITH THIS AS WELL, and I must say that, few know the techniques, when you let people know the secrets they scoff at it, and don't want to agree our believe, and lastly, and most importantly, when using the secrets you can learn from LHCF, ANYONE can grow their hair as long as their terminal length is. And I don't think this length is any different for whites, OR BLACKS, or asians, I think it's genetic, and can't be predisposed by race, I just think we have a mountain to climb, where other folks have a tiny little bump!

 

[trenise]

There is nobody black on my job with hair that long. There are a few black ladies with APL. Even the white ladies mostly have their hair cut short, except for a couple of Pentecostal ladies and some very young staff. There are 2 church members from our home church who have BSL and I have 1 cousin with mid back length. That's all I can think of.

 

[prospurr4]

A good thought-provoking thread, OP!

Unfortunately, I do not know (nor have I seen on the street lately) one Black woman with BSL or longer hair...so sad. Before I found this site, I was among them, too. Not only was my hair short, but what I did have was thin and damaged. I was just ignorant about proper haircare, like most other Black women, even some who call themselves "professionals."

The closest I've seen is my sister who has thin APL.

I thank God for this site!

 

[gissellr78]

Most of women in my family have had long hair (bsl) at one point..some due to chemicals and mistreatment have gone short....

I grew up in the bronx and a lot of the women around me mostly all dominicans had decent healthy long hair (apl-bsl) and thick. And as most of you know dominicans have an array of people from black to white to everything in between.

I think the coarser the hair the harder it is to retain but black hair does grow at a normal rate...


and i work there is one black lady with BSL hair....really nice too

 

[LunadeMiel]

I AGREE WITH THIS AS WELL, and I must say that, few know the techniques, when you let people know the secrets they scoff at it, and don't want to agree our believe, and lastly, and most importantly, when using the secrets you can learn from LHCF, ANYONE can grow their hair as long as their terminal length is. And I don't think this length is any different for whites, OR BLACKS, or asians, I think it's genetic, and can't be predisposed by race, I just think we have a mountain to climb, where other folks have a tiny little bump!

Why couldn't it be genetic? I hope we all understand that when a certain group breeds (especially within itself) there will be certain genetic traits that are passed along to the offsprings. Why then do we associate certain features with certain ethnicities? Why are some groups generally taller than others? Slimmer? lighter? All of this is genetic. Why is it so hard to believe that certain groups may have passed down a trait for slower hair growth? Especially if that trait was beneficial at some point....

No one is saying that black folks can't grow long hair...erplexed

 

[bbdgirl]

I may get stoned for saying this but, when I drive through the bad neighborhoods, I don't see SL or longer hair often, but when I take my bus through Hyde Park (affluent diverse neighborhood, where Barack Obama lives) those girls have APL or longer and I see a lot of beautiful naturals.

I wonder why THAT is?[/quote]

I wonder why that is as well??

 

[Neith]

We make generalizations everyday. Marriage rate, intelligence, weight. Do you dispute that? On average Americans tend to be fatter than europeans? Does that mean every American is fatter than every single European?
On average the male penis is about 5 inches long (worlwide). But... on average Indian men to tend to smaller... Does that mean evey Indian man has a smaller than Average penis...NO...

EXACTLY my point! That's why I wouldn't use such statements to try prove any point. There will always be many people who are exceptions to the "rule".

Different genes code for different things. I'm sure the coding for nail growth is not exactly the same for hair growth....

I never said it was. I said it's similar. If hair growth is in part determined by race, then why is it impossible for nail growth rate to be determined by race?

No one is disputing that....all skin heals by the same process but that doesn't mean that some people will naturally heal better than others....For some their coding allows them an advantage...

I know... but healing rate (and imo hair growth rate) is not dependent on race.

Didnt someone point out a study? Isn't this where this thread stemmed from. I have read this somewhere. Let me go find the link.

As far as my comment, it was based off of taking over 6 years of biology which included evolution and natural selection. My point was that, it would make sense to have slower hair and kinkier texture based on the environment that we originated from.

What sense would it make to have fast growing hair that would only keep your head hot thus increasing your brain temp. Just a few degrees above normal would cause irreperable damage to protein bonds. It would make sense that this combined with a kinkier texture would be beneficial to our survival. Heat needs to excape. A lot of hair on your head would serve to insulate your scalp thus, making it harder for it to excape.

ETA:
http://www.pg.com/science/haircare/hair_twh_21.htm
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...81f18e0c012e6c

I would think that it's also a possibility that the growth rate would be unaffected. If the hair is kinky and breaks off, why does the growth rate have to be slower? It breaks off to a short length anyway.

If we have slower hair growth rates genetically, then why is it not VERY slow? Why not obviously slow? A 10th of an inch per month for example? Why just a smidge under the average?

Not saying that you are wrong, and I sure as hell am not a biologist ... just putting it out there.

The first link didn't say anything about African hair... am I missing it?

The second link states that the reason the hair didn't grow was daily combing. And it only had 3 subjects.

Three subjects with virgin African hair combed daily had surprisingly short hair length measurements of 40.1 ± 14 mm, 60 ± 10 mm, and 69 ± 20 mm at 6 months, 1 year, and 3 years after a haircut, respectively. This observation raises the possibility that combing African hair on a daily basis may result in the equivalent of a daily haircut in some people.
This observation is based on few participants and will require confirmation in population studies

I'm not Luna, but I recall reading somewhere that people of African descent do, in fact, have a slower hair growth rate than those of Asian or Caucasian descent. However, I don't *think* either source mentioned if it was because of the environment.

ETA: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11531795

http://www.hair-science.com/_int/_en...WHERE-IN-WORLD

From the first link...

African hair grew at a much slower rate than caucasian hair (mean +/- SD 256 +/- 44 vs. 396 +/- 55 microm day(-1))

Okay, I'm only kinda smart, but...

256 micrometers... about .01 inches X 30 days = .3 inches
396 micrometers... about .016 inches X 30 days = .48 inches

This is interesting. For one thing it supports the black people having slower growth theory. On the other hand it doesn't support the theory that caucasians generally have faster than average growing hair. In fact according to this study, white people on average don't even reach a full 6 inches a year.

:scratchch

As for the L'oreal link... it's just blanket statements... they could be wrong or right, where is the study that went on to come to those conclusions?



I don't want to come off as someone who "refuses to believe" however, I have not seen any concrete proof as to why/how black people's hair would grow slower. Only what some people say and one study that I have just now seen that had 38 participants.

I may be wrong, I never said I know everything.

but as an educated guess... I'm going to say no, it's not true that we grow hair slower as a rule. I have not seen evidence of that here, I have not read anything about this before, not for lack of trying to get info about it. Any source that I have read before says that we all grow hair at the same rate.

I'm sorry for getting all off topic and long winded FAMUDva! but you know how it is... I hope.

I'll shut up. I officially agree to disagree with everyone who disagrees with me

 

[Candycane044]

I completely agree with Neith. It's not that I'm refusing to believe at all, there's just no hardcore evidence for me to believe that our hair grows slower. I never have a problem with accepting the facts, but as of now there are none.

And lastly, like Neith, I am also going to have to agree to disagree. I guess ultimately it's just a difference in opinion.

 

[Mis007]

Thanks for the honest responses ladies.
Please understand that I'm not saying black women can't or don't grow long hair; I'm just saying I don't see as many with long hair as I see white, latina and Asian women in my neck of the woods (Atlanta, GA). I do see quite a few black women with long healthy hair here, just not, on average, as many as I see of women from other backgrounds.

The other thing I noticed on other long hair sites that cater to women of various ethnic and racial backgrounds, what's considered long hair to them is a different standard than it is on LHCF. Maybe it's just psychology, but it makes me wonder often.

Reading is fundamental (@ the bolded) . To answer the question OP mainly shoulder lengths i have encountered BSL and longer rarity.....

Why is so hard for people to accept that when it comes to hair we are genetically different from other "races". Just like because of the makeup of our skin we are less likely to get skin cancer, we also age better. I mean Cot Damn...
About 90% of the women in my life have had hair BSL or longer.

When it comes to other women it's rare for me to see anyone with BSL hair or longer.

I would like to know this also..

 

[gymfreak336]

Certain genes and genetic rates are more common in certain races....Carry on.

 

[kblc06]

As someone pointed out earlier... how many black women WANT BSL or longer length hair? I think most here want it...that is why they are on the Longhaircare forum. For me.. my goal is APL length. I am pretty sure I don't want BSL hair. I was one who would chop it off for fashion...then when I wanted to grow it out.. I hated how it looked, so I chopped it off again.

I have shown my husband some of the pictures of the ladies here with long hair (BSL/waistlength..) and his first response was.. " its just looks like a ton of hair. Its too long."

If I happen to grow it to BSL length.. I would definitely get quite a few layers in it.

A large majority given how many black women I see consistently wear MBL weaves-but many just don't think that their hair can grow.

From the biological perspective, considering that subsaharan Africa is not only an extremely dry, but a hot, arid region with very little humidity....it is not very beneficial at all to have fast growing hair or much hair at all. I've observed several west African friends of mind, 3 of which who happen to be male. I've noticed that aside from facial hair (if they even have that), their body hair is almost non-existent especially compared to other white guys on campus whose individual body hair is like 2 inches long . I brought this to the attention of one my friends and he stated that when he thought about it, he had never met many fellow west Africans who were hairy at all, unless they were upper-Sahelian or Berbers

But by the same token I've seen west African men and women who had MBL-WSL hair, but I don't think it's very common for the reasons described above. Besides, long hair has really only become a desirable trait with the onset of colonization and western imperialism

 

[Solitude]

Growing up - a total of 3.

I don't think the length of hair has anything to do with education, and very little to do with money or economic status. It's not the chemicals or heat, either. Why do I say that? Because, even as little girls, before the heat & chemicals, our hair still doesn't grow as fast as women of other races.

A lot of women of other races who don't have long hair are choosing to cut their hair, but they had long hair - BSL or longer - at some point growing up, so they know they don't want or need long hair. A lot of AA women, IMO, don't believe that we can grow long hair, so they don't make a big effort. However, that thinking is based on experience, not on ignorance.

I, personally, believe that I can grow my hair to APL, but it's a lot of work. I have bigger goals, but after APL, it's going to be a tough effort. I've been stuck at SL since October. In short, it's all genetics. To overcome genetics, we have to work a lot harder.

 

[Faith]

Not sure which subsaharan West African country you are referring to but I know Ghana is very humid, very hot but also quite humid. Well, the South. And I saw many women and men with enough hair to last a lifetime

 

[lollyoo]

I live in NYC so there are alot of black women with long hair here. I dont know if its due to internet knowledge or just better products (like home relaxers with jojoba oil, etc) but i've definitely noticed the average black women in NYs hair getting a bit longer. I never saw BSL black women growing up but now i see them all the time.

Some of you may want to fight me for saying this but NOTHING will convince me that we are neck and neck or on par with other races - i just speak from my own experience. I think that we CAN grow long hair, just as long as some other races, but i just think it takes us more conscious effort do to so. I know pple of other races that fry there hair everyday and it still grows long - i dont think we can do that. plus, unless we relax bone straight it will take more growth for our hair to 'appear' longer.

I have to agree with you about this, but our hair is fragile and different.
but this has nothing to do with growth.
We are the only race that fight against our hair in general, if 75% of white were to chemically treat their hair , use heat daily to get into tight curls to look like our hair. We will see a lot of jacked up white hair IMO.

infact with the popularity of flat irons, I now see more white people with splits and dry hair than 10yrs ago. I live in a predominantly white country and I know this for sure.