Ok
See... now that makes me think that the difference between 4a and 4b isn't based on coil diameter. :scratchch
What is it? lol
I can't take it anymore.
Henceforward, I'm not saying anyone is a 4a or 4b. I'm just going to say type 4 and leave it at that.
One last comparison and then I shall shut up, using real life examples and not a phony puff this time.
interesting thread
so glad i joined LHCF..im learning so much about 4b hair
if this isnt 4b hair.please correct me
i read thru the thread where someone said if you get waves with product you are not 4berplexed(see pic 3)
1st pic-just took out my extension braids
2nd pic-puff
3rd-puff with eco gel
4th-back of puff without product
5th-freshly washed damp hair taken out of plaits
I can't take it anymore.
Henceforward, I'm not saying anyone is a 4a or 4b. I'm just going to say type 4 and leave it at that.
I think that's a good idea.
but see... this is what I'm talking about.
From the same two heads of hair...
The one on the left is MissAlyssa's.
The one on the right is mine (they stick to my blanket The two clumps on the left I tried to stretch out a little bit to make a coil, but they frizzed and exploded).
Both are coils smaller than a penspring.
They are definitely around the same diameter.
Why is one 4b and one 4a?
Not saying that there is no difference. but why?
I would add that on the right the coils/clumps/tubes appear to go deeper, like they start close to the root and extend through the ends. On the left the coils/clumps/tubes begin closer to the ends of the hair.One last comparison and then I shall shut up, using real life examples and not a phony puff this time.
It looks like the hair to the left is the same size as the penspring, if not a little bigger. But if you say your strands are smaller then the penspring I'll believe you because you've actually seen it in person.but see... this is what I'm talking about.
From the same two heads of hair...
The one on the left is MissAlyssa's.
The one on the right is mine (they stick to my blanket The two clumps on the left I tried to stretch out a little bit to make a coil, but they frizzed and exploded).
Both are coils smaller than a penspring.
They are definitely around the same diameter.
Why is one 4b and one 4a?
Not saying that there is no difference. but why?
I can't take it anymore.
Henceforward, I'm not saying anyone is a 4a or 4b. I'm just going to say type 4 and leave it at that.
that's it! i'm done. 4a & 4b are the same. we are describing characteristics of the same hair type/coil pattern.
curl hydration, curl diameter, curl style are some of the things that i think are making people think these are 2 separate textures ... among others ... can't we just agree to a type 4 and move on.
exactly..that's why a lot of threads i made looking for info requested type 4 with no 3's anywhere.
thats why i just always say im type 4a/b.
I'm with you guys. Besides, before coming to hair forums, all hair that could make an afro was the same to me. I had never heard of WNGs or clumping. All hair like that where I come from was combed out into a Bernic Mac afro or pulled back into a puff pony that was also combed out. I didn't know it was called type 4, but it encompassed all hair from type 4A-4Z
but see... this is what I'm talking about.
From the same two heads of hair...
The one on the left is MissAlyssa's.
The one on the right is mine (they stick to my blanket The two clumps on the left I tried to stretch out a little bit to make a coil, but they frizzed and exploded).
Both are coils smaller than a penspring.
They are definitely around the same diameter.
Why is one 4b and one 4a?
Not saying that there is no difference. but why?
I would add that on the right the coils/clumps/tubes appear to go deeper, like they start close to the root and extend through the ends. On the left the coils/clumps/tubes begin closer to the ends of the hair.
It looks like the hair to the left is the same size as the penspring, if not a little bigger. But if you say your strands are smaller then the penspring I'll believe you because you've actually seen it in person.
Maybe the differences have to do with the number of hairs on our heads that are the different sizes? Maybe more of mine are the tiny coils that are on too the far right in my picture, and more of your coils are the larger ones to the left on your picture?
And then I know you said your hair is coarse. Mine is fine. I wonder if that effects it too.
Looking at your hair I would have said 4a/b. I don't think 4a/b has really been defined in this thread. I know it was said that 4b is small than a penspring and 4a is penspring to pencil size. But where is 4a/b?
I just realized that we are even more screwed than we thought when I opened up two pens and found that . . . the pen springs were different sizes! I quit! In an alternate universe, the pen springs themselves are trying to classify each other into size categories.
I just realized that we are even more screwed than we thought when I opened up two pens and found that . . . the pen springs were different sizes! I quit! In an alternate universe, the pen springs themselves are trying to classify each other into size categories.
Regarding the bold, because then when they post a thread about their "4b" hair it makes them feel good when everyone runs in, oohs and aaahs over their obvious curls, and tells them they're actually a type 3 and have good hair.
IMO, I think most people
feel that 4b and lower isn't an attractive hair type to
claim...Most people would prefer coils/curls any day...
over no coils, coarse hair...
A hun'ned plus entries and some naturals are even leaving the thread more confused than when they came in.
This hair typing is worse than calculus, yikes..
me? a 4a? hmm who would of thought
i will take a pic of a WNG to help furthur determine..
you mean to tell me i keep my hair stretched so much im loosing all my lil curlies..sigh.
I can't take it anymore.
Henceforward, I'm not saying anyone is a 4a or 4b. I'm just going to say type 4 and leave it at that.
Right now we're saying "It's all type 4 hair"
but I know like HECK...
In a few days/weeks/months or whatever, there is going to be another thread like this.
I don't think it's wrong to just want to know. People like to understand the things that they have an interest in. We are going to be asking questions about it until it's actually explained.
Two categories for type 4 just isn't enough, now everyone is fine with just having one category?
It's funny how this type of "debate" ebbs and flows like the tides.
Because after so much debate, it's like fug it. Just call it all type 4 cause people will never agree. Hair typing does not deserve a dissertation. People will have various opinions on it, so why not agree on the most common part. That it IS type 4 hair.
I can understand the need for hair typing (in relation to what works for what type of hair), but other than that it's like race...a social construct developed by man.
Don't let it divide you.
lol, pretty muchIt really shouldn't even be that hard, if you ask me. If your hair has type 1,2,3,4 characteristics, then you will just be that type. My hair has kinky coily curly characteristics, so I am a type 4. Pow!!! And there ya have it. Simple and straight to the point.
I think naturallycurly's hair type definitions are pretty straightforward and easy to understand.
I you're determined to call yourself a 4b then hey, *shrugs* I don't understand why people get so defensive about a hair identification system but hey it is what it islol
I just realized that we are even more screwed than we thought when I opened up two pens and found that . . . the pen springs were different sizes! I quit! In an alternate universe, the pen springs themselves are trying to classify each other into size categories.
It really shouldn't even be that hard, if you ask me. If your hair has type 1,2,3,4 characteristics, then you will just be that type. My hair has kinky coily curly characteristics, so I am a type 4. Pow!!! And there ya have it. Simple and straight to the point.
I don't think that sweeping it under the rug and acting like there are no differences is the answer. Like I said before... undoubtedly, this issue will arise again.
Lord knows I can also see WHY one would be tempted to do such a thing. It's frustrating and we go all around in cirlcles.