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Irresistible said:
yeah I'm not panicking I have taken this safely in the past at the amount I said, I didnt read this whole thread just wanted ya'll to be carefull, but your right somoene would have to define what a high dose is. But it doesnt say any particular dose causes the blocking of Thiamine absorption, it says it does period. That somethin I dont want to play with. So I will stick with my two and take them separate and not take it long term

just want ya'll to be carefull thats all :yep:
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I appeciate your post of safety for us. I am so lucky if I can take 2 a day these days even though I love the product <sigh> I am not in danger of ODing but some of us might get over zealous and need to be reminded to take it nice and slow, good results come with consistancy of use and not megga doses :yep: Thank you for posting.
 
Irresistible said:
yeah I'm not panicking I have taken this safely in the past at the amount I said, I didnt read this whole thread just wanted ya'll to be carefull, but your right somoene would have to define what a high dose is. But it doesnt say any particular dose causes the blocking of Thiamine absorption, it says it does period. That somethin I dont want to play with. So I will stick with my two and take them separate and not take it long term

just want ya'll to be carefull thats all :yep:
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Wow, didn't the company tell someone to take 12 per day for a week? :perplexed
 
AtlantaJJ said:
I appeciate your post of safety for us. I am so lucky if I can take 2 a day these days even though I love the product <sigh> I am not in danger of ODing but some of us might get over zealous and need to be reminded to take it nice and slow, good results come with consistancy of use and not megga doses :yep: Thank you for posting.
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Thats what I'm afraid of, the ladies that are taking really high doses with this kind of thing there is a such thing as 'too much of a good thing'

I hope nobody is doing that!

This stuff does work but dont go crazy with it ladies!
 
I am not sure if I should attribute this to Silica or the summer heat, but my hair has grown .5" in two weeks. I was able to measure because I was wearing cornrows.

My hair does tend to grow faster in the summer months though...
 
sunshinelady said:
Wow, didn't the company tell someone to take 12 per day for a week? :perplexed
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12 per day for a week won't hurt, IMO. Taking 24 / day for months on end might be a bit much.

I personally think the media likes to put stuff like that OUT THERE to discourage folks from taking it. Most of the side effects that happen out there are from PHARMECEUTICALS
 
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vevster said:
12 per day for a week won't hurt, IMO. I'm talking 24 / day for months on end might be a bit much.

I personally think the media likes to put stuff like that OUT THERE to discourage folks from taking it. Most of the side effects that happen out there are from PHARMECEUTICALS
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Your taking 24 per day?

OMG!

This is not hype, this is an herb and just like pharmaceuticals they can have side effects, especially in large doses, even natural fat soluable vitamins have deadly dangerous side effects.

I'm just gonna say it again please be careful ladies!

you also got the information from the same source at the other info, The media or on the web (even worse if it was from a site that sells it)

here is more!

Side Effects:

Some of these suggested uses are for conditions that are potentially very serious and even life-threatening. Horsetail has been suggested for many uses based on tradition or on scientific theories.but there is limited scientific evidence about safety or effectiveness You should consult with a health care professional before taking horsetail for any unproven use. its not recommended while pregnant.

Studies in mice suggest that horsetail may change the activity of the kidneys, causing abnormal control of the amount of water and potassium release. Low potassium, which in theory may occur with horsetail, can have negative effects on the heart. While taking horsetail powder for its diuretic effect, be sure to drink extra water for maximum benefit. Remember if there are kidney stones. Avoid to take horsetail herb if you take an ACE inhibitor for high blood pressure and you have congestive heart failure, as the combination of the herb and the drug can cause accumulation of excessive potassium. Taking horsetail in conjunction with other diuretics may result in lowering the blood potassium levels and dehydration .

It contains nicotine and caution is advised if you are a smoker or on nicotine replacement treatment. Excess nicotine might cause muscle weakness or weight loss. Large doses of horsetail may cause symptoms of nicotine overdose, including fever, cold hands and feet, abnormal heart rate, difficulty walking.

Interactions

Most herbs and supplements have not been thoroughly tested for interactions with other herbs, supplements, drugs, or foods. The interactions listed below are based on reports in scientific publications, laboratory experiments, or traditional use. You should always read product labels. If you have a medical condition, or are taking other drugs, herbs, or supplements, before starting a new therapy you should speak with a qualified healthcare provider.

http://www.health-care-tips.org/herbal-medicines/horsetail.htm

Alta Silica is horsetail!

Research everything! :yep:

and always start out new things slowly! I would hate to see anything happen to any of you behind trying to take this herb with big claims for hair and nails! I am not and never said it doesnt work as I have taken it myself , only within the RECOMMENDED dose range!
 
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& again!!!!!

Side effects, precautions, interactions
Horsetail is generally considered safe. Horsetail will promote urination, adequate fluid should be consumed when taking horsetail preparations orally. People with heart or kidney disorders should not use horsetail. Women who are pregnant or breastfeeding should not take horsetail. Horsetail is contraindicated in those who have edema because of an impaired heart or kidney function. Horsetail is known to block the absorption of thiamine, and lead to thiamine deficiency. Long-term use or high doses of horsetail have caused irreversible kidney damage due to too much silica.

http://www.vitamins-supplements.org/herbal-supplements/horsetail.php

PLEASE DONT JUST DISCARD THIS INFORMATION OR NOT TAKE IT SERIOUSLY!
 
Precautions

Pregnant or nursing women and people with severe kidney or liver disease should consult their health practitioner before using horsetail. People with high blood pressure or heart problems should not take horsetail. Horsetail contains low levels of nicotine and may not be safe for young children. Horsetail shouldn't be taken internally for more than three days, and people should not take more than the normal dosage. Long-term use or high doses of horsetail have caused irreversible kidney damage due to too much silica. It is best to follow dosage guidelines and use properly harvested horsetail since the older shoots are higher in silica.

Commercial preparations that are processed at high temperatures are recommended since the heat destroys a potentially harmful enzyme, thiaminase, found in crude horsetail.

When horsetail is gathered for medicinal use, plants with brown spots aren't collected. Brown spots may indicate the presence of a toxic fungus. Horsetail that grows near an industrial or waste site or in heavily fertilized areas should not be harvested since it can pick up nitrates and selenium from the soil. The correct species of horsetail should be collected. Marsh horsetail (E. palustre) is poisonous.

Side Effects

Mild side effects include diarrhea, upset stomach, and increased urination.

Severe side effects that may require medical attention are kidney pain, lower back pain, pain while urinating, nausea, or vomiting. These symptoms may signal kidney damage. Heart palpitations can occur if horsetail is overused. If this happens, immediate medical attention is required.

Interactions

People taking digitalis-type drugs should consult their health practitioner before taking horsetail.

Resources
http://www.answers.com/topic/horsetail?cat=health
 
Well I just cut my dose down to one a day! :yep:

I have taken two a day in the past with no issues but after reading all this, its not worth all that :nono:

one will do just fine, if two did! :yep:

I Pray nobody causes themselves harm, long term or otherwise taking this!

I dont want to debate anything, but I would be very sick inside if I DIDNT share this information once I found it!

its up to you ladies!

its your hair and more importantly its your health :yep:

Google more if you need to!
 
http://ezinearticles.com/?Horsetail---Uses-and-Side-Effects&id=1049035

Hazards

Side effects of horsetail include electrolyte imbalance, skin irritation from topical use, thiamine deficiency from long-term use, and symptoms of nicotine poisoning and toxicity including nausea and vomiting, muscle weakness, abnormal pulse rate, fever, and ataxia. Use of horsetail with benzodiazepines, disulfiram, or metronidazole may cause a disulfiram-like reaction. Horsetail may increase digitalis toxicity as a result of potassium loss with diuretic effect. When it's used with potassium-wasting drugs (including corticosteroids, diuretics, and laxative stimulants), there's an increased risk of hypokalemia. Overuse of licorice with horsetail may increase potassium depletion and risk of cardiac toxicity. Excessive alcohol consumption while horsetail is being used may lead to thiamine deficiency.

Pregnant patients, breast-feeding patients, those with impaired heart or kidney function, those with liver problems, those who are taking a cardiac glycoside, and those who have a history or potential of thiamine deficiency (for example, alcoholic patients) should avoid using horsetail.

Safety Risk The liquid extract contains 25% alcohol and there fore shouldn't be used with disulfiram, metronidazole, and benzodiazepines.

Clinical considerations

Horsetail dosage varies with the formulation. Large amounts may cause a toxic reaction.

The dried, powdered extract is more concentrated than stem alone.

Monitor patient's serum potassium level.

Assess patient for signs and symptoms of hypokalemia, including weakness, muscle flaccidity, and abnormal ECG results.

Horsetail shouldn't be used for extended periods because of the potential for toxic reaction and thiamine depletion.

Instruct patients to stop taking horsetail immediately if signs or symptoms of nicotine toxicity (muscle weakness, abnormal pulse rate, fever, ataxia, and cold extremities) or potassium depletion (muscle cramping, irritability, or weakness) occur.

If patient is pregnant or breast-feeding, advise her not to use horsetail.

Advise patients taking a potassium wasting diuretic, a cardiac glycoside (Lanoxin), a corticosteroid, or licorice not to use horsetail.

Tell patient to notify pharmacist of any herbal or dietary supplement that he's taking when obtaining a new prescription.
 
I am on prescription strength potassium. Due to low serum K levels. Now see if not for the fact that I already take K DAILY, This could/would have caused me major heart problems and other issues, because it would have further knocked out my K levels!

Damn ya'll be careful! I aint playing!

if you want to play with high doses , its just not worth it! :nono:
Eat bananas at least and lots of them!

Irresistible said:
http://ezinearticles.com/?Horsetail---Uses-and-Side-Effects&id=1049035

Hazards

Side effects of horsetail include electrolyte imbalance, skin irritation from topical use, thiamine deficiency from long-term use, and symptoms of nicotine poisoning and toxicity including nausea and vomiting, muscle weakness, abnormal pulse rate, fever, and ataxia. Use of horsetail with benzodiazepines, disulfiram, or metronidazole may cause a disulfiram-like reaction. Horsetail may increase digitalis toxicity as a result of potassium loss with diuretic effect. When it's used with potassium-wasting drugs (including corticosteroids, diuretics, and laxative stimulants), there's an increased risk of hypokalemia. Overuse of licorice with horsetail may increase potassium depletion and risk of cardiac toxicity. Excessive alcohol consumption while horsetail is being used may lead to thiamine deficiency.

Pregnant patients, breast-feeding patients, those with impaired heart or kidney function, those with liver problems, those who are taking a cardiac glycoside, and those who have a history or potential of thiamine deficiency (for example, alcoholic patients) should avoid using horsetail.

Safety Risk The liquid extract contains 25% alcohol and there fore shouldn't be used with disulfiram, metronidazole, and benzodiazepines.

Clinical considerations

Horsetail dosage varies with the formulation. Large amounts may cause a toxic reaction.

The dried, powdered extract is more concentrated than stem alone.

Monitor patient's serum potassium level.

Assess patient for signs and symptoms of hypokalemia, including weakness, muscle flaccidity, and abnormal ECG results.

Horsetail shouldn't be used for extended periods because of the potential for toxic reaction and thiamine depletion.

Instruct patients to stop taking horsetail immediately if signs or symptoms of nicotine toxicity (muscle weakness, abnormal pulse rate, fever, ataxia, and cold extremities) or potassium depletion (muscle cramping, irritability, or weakness) occur.

If patient is pregnant or breast-feeding, advise her not to use horsetail.

Advise patients taking a potassium wasting diuretic, a cardiac glycoside (Lanoxin), a corticosteroid, or licorice not to use horsetail.

Tell patient to notify pharmacist of any herbal or dietary supplement that he's taking when obtaining a new prescription.
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Irresistible said:
OH!

But still taking 12 a day is way too much, even for one week, that could cause issues depending on many factors going on with that person

The recommended dose is 1 to 3 a day.
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I think that everyone should do research and do what is best for them. Thank you irresistible for your research but I'm not overly concerned. I have yet to OVERDOSE from ANY supplement and again if you look at true stats there are more overdoses/issues/side effects from prescriptions that supplements.
 
vevster said:
I think that everyone should do research and do what is best for them. Thank you irresistible for your research but I'm not overly concerned. I have yet to OVERDOSE from ANY supplement and again if you look at true stats there are more overdoses/issues/side effects from prescriptions that supplements.
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Please be careful Vevster and take all that into consideration at least, I understand where you are coming from, but even many herbs are listed with poison control and have landed many , myself included in the ER due to various reactions to plants. There is no need to take large doses of this, when I took it in the past , I saw the benefit with just two, I dont think it will be increased with higher doses only the risks of side effects. just please be careful!
 
Irresistible said:
Please be careful Vevster and take all that into consideration at least, I understand where you are coming from, but even many herbs are listed with poison control and have landed many , myself included in the ER due to various reactions to plants. There is no need to take large doses of this, when I took it in the past , I saw the benefit with just two, I dont think it will be increased with higher doses only the risks of side effects. just please be careful!
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Thank you, sweetie, right now I take 3 - 4 daily. :up:
 
If I could just stop admiring my nails and touching my skin then I'd have a chance to OD on this stuff.

Someone's gonna have to post that they died for me to stop.

But thanks for the heads up Irresitible
 
I'm sure I'm being impatient but I just want to get an idea, for those of you who noticed a change be it (skin, hair, nails) can you explain the timing and the specific changes that you noted?

Oh and dosage you are taking.
 
EMJazzy said:
Do you know that they *still* haven't responded to the email I sent 7 days ago? :perplexed :rolleyes: :nono:
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You should just call them. Even though I know that there is only ONE type that I get from vitacost. I posted the link to their website and it doesn't say it has a 1500 mg tablet.

But you can go through the exercise if you like.
 
vevster said:
You should just call them. Even though I know that there is only ONE type that I get from vitacost. I posted the link to their website and it doesn't say it has a 1500 mg tablet.

But you can go through the exercise if you like.
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Sorry the link didn't work for you so here is a picture that I just took with my cellphone....it clearly says 1500mg.

altasilicalargerpic.jpg
 
trinigul said:
If I could just stop admiring my nails and touching my skin then I'd have a chance to OD on this stuff.

Someone's gonna have to post that they died for me to stop.

But thanks for the heads up Irresitible
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I know your joking and all and others found this funny and what not


the problem is in all seriousness from the information I posted it very well could happen :nono:

But you know, its up to others what they take serious or not :perplexed:

its only your health thats all :look:
 
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