Almost Raped...

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This happened to me in college. Except, a, I wasn't a virgin (which it sounds like you are, I could be wrong), and b, we were the only couple there. I never reported it because I felt that I knew better, and that I had put myself in the wrong place at the wrong time, with someone I didn't really know. I don't regret not having reported it. I didn't feel it was necessary. Aside from that, I'd always had positive sexual experiences, and I continued to do so. Shortly afterward, I embarked on what was to become a long term relationship (almost 9 years). I don't feel scarred by my experience.

(this is, like, my second time ever talking about this, so that whole thing was kinda stream-of-conscious, sorry if it was hard to follow)

PM me if you wanna talk.
 
Are you in school? Do they have a counceling center? You need to talk to somebody about this. Honeslty, although many women on here gave great advice, LHCF cannot replace a professional
 
(((hugs)))))) I can only imagine how you must feel. Speak to a counselor if you can and please don't blame yourself for what happened. You never deserve to be hurt, and he had no right to do what he did.
 
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Drinking or not, she didn't deserve that. Having to fight a man off of you for hours? :nono:

I don't want to discount anyone's opinions or advice from their interpretation of what happened to you, but please talk to a professional therapist about this to help make sense of the confusion you're feeling right now.
 
As far as I'm concerned, the bottom line is if someone says,"no" dude needs to stop. Period. If he didn't heed NO, by stoppping--he's a rapist. End of story.

Could we please stop enabling men who assault women, by blaming victims?
Who knows who else this guy has poured liquor into, so he could take advantage of them?
 
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I don't want to be insensitive, but can you clarify?
Did you have consensual sexual contact of any sort w/ him, or did he force whatever activity that you two engaged in, but was unable to force intercourse?
If so, any forced sexual contact is sexual assault and you should contact a counseling center and they can contact the police for you, while maintaining your privacy.
 
I think we're all getting a different end of the stick. When OP says she fought him for a long period of time, for the others in the room not to notice, could the fighting just have been him persistently asking her to go to second base and her "quietly" resisting? I too thought it was a case of mixed signals. Both were drunk so communication might have been broken. I'm not saying dude was right, but I think OP would be ready to call authorities if she really, truly believed he wanted to rape her. I think she's just in shock at the thought of how bad things could have been had she been alone for example or had he been a violent dude on a mission.

I once had an old man that gave me a ride home wind up in my room in college. I didn't invite him into my room. I lived in a college-owned house with other students and dude asked if he could have some coffee. In my naivety, I didn't think of this as in the "Can I come in for coffee?" come-on that guys who drop you home after a date use, especially when you see who the guy was. I really didn't want to invite him in coz I don't like to entertain (I love my space too much to be so welcoming to folks), but I thought that since I live with 6 other people, he would just sit in the kitchen where we all ate and have coffee and then leave. I assumed my roommates (mixture of guys and chicks) would be around. Only one guy was.

Well, dude didn't respond my ushering him into the kitchen when we got into my apartment but stood in the hallway like a statue after I showed him the way to the kitchen. I went to my room to put away my school bag and when I turned around to head to the kitchen, saw, to my shock, that the dude was sitting on my bed. I left to go make coffee knowing that he'd have to come to the kitchen to drink it. While I was gone, dude unbuttoned his shirt and when I returned to call him, he put on this sexy sick voice and asked me to please bring the coffee to the room so we could have it in private. In horror and utter disgust, I left and went to seek help from a roommate. This couple that lived with us had just come home and I told the girl of my predicament and her dude went to ask him to please come and have coffee in the kitchen. The sicko pretended he'd unbuttoned his shirt coz it's too warm in the apartment. :rolleyes:

Now before you all judge me, I had known and spoken to this guy at the gym for months before this incident (he was a former student of the school and therefore a lifetime member); and he'd been a gentleman all along to me and my school mates; we really thought of him as grandpa. I would never have imagined him being a perv. And he was old enough to be a grandfather. He looked like the old guy in The Benny Hill Show and was just as small so I probably could've beaten the crap out of him if he'd dared anything:
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Anyway, after he left, it hit me how dangerous a situation I'd been in and I broke down and bawled my eyes out. What if no one had been home? What if he'd been strong and armed? What if I'd been raped? It was all speculation but it seemed so real and scary that I totally get OP's thinking and subject line. Gosh, I remember even thinking about what would have happened in court if he'd raped me: I'd have to admit I let him into my home and would be blamed for it. :nono:

So OP is probably feeling all the feelings I did--and yes, I've also had to "fight" someone off that was being a real nuisance so I know what that's like too, in case it seems like I'm comparing a mole hill and a mountain. And even then, I didn't talk to anyone or call cops...and I got over it and learned a lesson. I am not a drinker so being drunk and out of it was never my problem; it was more taking chances and going to places that were far from everyone...taking chances. I learned to never put myself in a situation that is not public and in view of all with people that could take advantage of me. It can be tempting to want to be alone with someone you fancy (not saying that was your case OP), but trust me, better safe than sorry: don't do it. Always meet in a public place (and I don't mean a dimly lit club :rolleyes: ), at least you know it can't get out of hand with witnesses all around.
 
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this is so not okay! I'm sorry hun!

I agree with everyone else that you should find someone you trust to talk it through because that does help. That is such a horrible thing to go through whether it's ALMOST OR NOT. I'd be terribly shaken for a long time. You're really strong, though, to have prevented it from going further. God bless you and try to think positive.
 
As far as I'm concerned, the bottom line is if someone says,"no" dude needs to stop. Period. If he didn't heed NO, by stoppping--he's a rapist. End of story.

Could we please stop enabling men who assault women, by blaming victims?
Who knows who else this guy has poured liquor into, so he could take advantage of them?

I don't think anyone's blaming the victim or letting the guy off easy. OK, check out this scenario (my experience):

I used to love the scene in Fatal Attraction where MD pins GC against the wall and kisses her and fantasized about that one day happening to me. It did. I won't lie, I enjoyed it...and in perfect black and white movie performance, I acted hurt (I wasn't really). Dude hugged me and apologized and as I smiled to myself over his shoulder, I told him I just wanna forget it happened (I'd have gotten an Oscar with my fake whimper).

Well would you know, same dude later begged me for another kiss. I didn't really want to go there with him. I knew he was a player. I didn't want to be one of his floozies, so I didn't agree. He pleaded and pleaded but I stood my ground.

He'd visit me and my roomies and actually liked one of them--hence the visits--but one day I was alone and again he begged me for a kiss. In exasperation, I believed him when he said it would be the last time and gave in. It wasn't...

The point I'm trying to make is some guys know that if they persist in their begging, some women will give in. I don't think that makes them rapists. I think it just makes them persistent. I will never forget a poster who once said that she'd hate for her son to one day be called a rapist after some girl gave him mixed signals and didn't clearly say NO. I do think all sons should be taught that NO means the rod goes flaccid pronto...but girls should also be taught to be vocal (YELL the "NO") and active (GET UP, KICK,) and keep your wits about you so you minimize chances of needing to do this.
 
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I agree with Nonie. Sometimes it's complicated. I don't think of the guy in my situation as a 'rapist', I think I mistakenly looked like I was down when I wasn't (actually, he intercepted signals meant for another, hence the confusion). I hate to be drawing fine lines here, but I think it's different from actual rape... more like coercion.
 
I don't plan on getting the cops involved. I'm hoping I never run into him again. If I do, I certainly plan on going in the other direction.
I think after speaking to a professional and telling them everything that happened that night, they can tell you better than any of us who don't know the whole story whether or not you should get the cops involved. You said you don't know him well but if he's someone whose on campus with you or someone who has the same friends as you, you might end up running into him more than you'd like :sad:
 
So I can be clear, this was not a simple matter of this guy being pushy. While don't really want to get into details, he was very rough and managed to get my clothes off (which I tried to keep on) and pick me up and carried me into the bathroom, where he locked the door and put me on the sink. Before that I held onto walls to keep from being pulled in and he just grabbed my wrists. I was just hoping he wouldn't get violent because there's nothing I can really do to him. I'd already tried to choke him and push him off of me but that didn't bother him in the slightest.

I think there may have been some mixed signals during the night, but he did know I didn't want to sleep with him.
 
So I can be clear, this was not a simple matter of this guy being pushy. While don't really want to get into details, he was very rough and managed to get my clothes off (which I tried to keep on) and pick me up and carried me into the bathroom, where he locked the door and put me on the sink. Before that I held onto walls to keep from being pulled in and he just grabbed my wrists. I was just hoping he wouldn't get violent because there's nothing I can really do to him. I'd already tried to choke him and push him off of me but that didn't bother him in the slightest.

I think there may have been some mixed signals during the night, but he did know I didn't want to sleep with him.

:ohwell::ohwell::ohwell: :nono::nono::nono:, this one is clearly an ###$$$. Please see a counselor. His actions are NOT ok by any standards.
 
I don't think anyone's blaming the victim or letting the guy off easy. OK, check out this scenario (my experience):

The point I'm trying to make is some guys know that if they persist in their begging, some women will give in. I don't think that makes them rapists. I think it just makes them persistent. I will never forget a poster who once said that she'd hate for her son to one day be called a rapist after some girl gave him mixed signals and didn't clearly say NO. I do think all sons should be taught that NO means the rod goes flaccid pronto...but girls should also be taught to be vocal (YELL the "NO") and active (GET UP, KICK,) and keep your wits about you so you minimize chances of needing to do this.

I agree that we as women need to have firm boundaries in many areas of our lives.

But unfortunately, I believe we'll probably need to agree to disagree. No offense intended.

I don't see men that persist as "persistent." I see them as disrespectful of women, and yes, potential rapists. Anyone who refuses to recognize a verbal no has a problem, and coercion isn't the cure.

Just my opinion, but we as women need to recognize these issues in men, for what they are. Instead of being dismissive of their blatant disrespect of women and bad manners.
 
So I can be clear, this was not a simple matter of this guy being pushy. While don't really want to get into details, he was very rough and managed to get my clothes off (which I tried to keep on) and pick me up and carried me into the bathroom, where he locked the door and put me on the sink. Before that I held onto walls to keep from being pulled in and he just grabbed my wrists. I was just hoping he wouldn't get violent because there's nothing I can really do to him. I'd already tried to choke him and push him off of me but that didn't bother him in the slightest.

I think there may have been some mixed signals during the night, but he did know I didn't want to sleep with him.

Very sorry you experienced this, TokyoCereza.
 
I agree that we as women need to have firm boundaries in many areas of our lives.

But unfortunately, I believe we'll probably need to agree to disagree. No offense intended.

I don't see men that persist as "persistent." I see them as disrespectful of women, and yes, potential rapists. Anyone who refuses to recognize a verbal no has a problem, and coercion isn't the cure.

Just my opinion, but we as women need to recognize these issues in men, for what they are. Instead of being dismissive of their blatant disrespect of women and bad manners.

I do agree with you, actually. You make good points. :yep:
 
((((TokyoCereza)))) I'm so sorry you had to experience that. I've never had anything so frightening happen to me so I apologize for seeing things from my limited perspective. I am so mad that the other couple were oblivious to this. I feel like crying to think you were so helpless and too petrified to cry out.... What a jerk!
 
I agree with Nonie. Sometimes it's complicated. I don't think of the guy in my situation as a 'rapist', I think I mistakenly looked like I was down when I wasn't (actually, he intercepted signals meant for another, hence the confusion). I hate to be drawing fine lines here, but I think it's different from actual rape... more like coercion.

I think we live in a world that teaches women different things about rape than it teaches men. I think because of this, many women don't recognize assault and rape when it happens (to them and to others). Unfortunately our society has told women they are responsible if a man attempts to rape them. It's not true, and these messages are not ok.
 
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So I can be clear, this was not a simple matter of this guy being pushy. While don't really want to get into details, he was very rough and managed to get my clothes off (which I tried to keep on) and pick me up and carried me into the bathroom, where he locked the door and put me on the sink. Before that I held onto walls to keep from being pulled in and he just grabbed my wrists. I was just hoping he wouldn't get violent because there's nothing I can really do to him. I'd already tried to choke him and push him off of me but that didn't bother him in the slightest.

oh, that's scary. can you talk to someone confidentially on campus like a peer counselor? i would report him.
 
So I can be clear, this was not a simple matter of this guy being pushy. While don't really want to get into details, he was very rough and managed to get my clothes off (which I tried to keep on) and pick me up and carried me into the bathroom, where he locked the door and put me on the sink. Before that I held onto walls to keep from being pulled in and he just grabbed my wrists. I was just hoping he wouldn't get violent because there's nothing I can really do to him. I'd already tried to choke him and push him off of me but that didn't bother him in the slightest.

I think there may have been some mixed signals during the night, but he did know I didn't want to sleep with him.
Ooooh, no, this ain't what happened to me. It was more 'soft power' than actual ripping and pushing and all that. That's what I meant by coercion. Your event sounds way more traumatic. In your case, I would definitely consider filing a report. I would also recommend seeing a professional because you may have effects later, like feeling funny around men that remind you of him, or whatever.

I think we live in a world that teaches women different things about rape than it teaches men. I think because of this, many women don't recognize assault and rape when it happens (to them and to others). Unfortunately our society has told women they are responsible if a man attempts to rape them. It's not true, and these messages are not ok.
I do tend to take responsibility for my own actions, so I guess I'm guilty. I'll repeat, in my situation, I was in the wrong place, at the wrong time, inebriated, and with a grown man (in his 20's, I was barely 18). I don't mean to get snippy with you, or to be OT (cuz this in no way applies to Tokyo), but we have to be careful not to have our girls/ young ladies walking up into wild situations thinking ish is sweet because of the law. The law ain't never stopped nobody that wanted to take something.

That's all I'm trynna say.
 
I am really sorry that this happened to you. I think it is important that parents teach their girls how to keep themselves safe. Please STOP blaming yourself.

Between the ages of 12-16 I found myself in several situations where I was nearly raped. The only reason there was no penetration was due to the fact that the men got exhausted from trying to penetrate, because in the 3 incidents we fought for hours. I felt that if there was penetration, that I would have literally lost my mind. So I fought like a crazy woman.

At that time, I did not even have the sense to tell anyone because I just thought that it was part of life and I had put myself in the situation or had given the men the wrong signals. Even though, upon reflection, I had not. These encounters affected me for decades and I really wish I had told someone because I think it would have saved me a lot of misery.

If he did force you to do any sexual acts then you should report him. Whatever your decision, please at least speak to someone about your ordeal because it can eventually affect how you interact with you future partner.
 
I havent read the whole thread.
I've been in this position before. The things you can do is take further action, Which in my situation there was no point, because of the no proof and sometimes of your own actions that led up to the event.
Or just leave it alone, warn your friend if she spends time with him.

Then take it as lesson learned and just know not to put your self in a situation like that again- which is what you have to do regardless.
 
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You're kicking yourself enough. I won't help you do that. But I will tell you to think of the good thing that happened in this situation. You DIDN'T get raped. You fought and won. You learned a valuable lesson. Strangers and Alcohol DO NOT mix.

You've given yourself a pity party. Now give yourself a victory party. You have the rest of your life to live. How lucky are you? Not many women in this situation were able to say the same.

Well said. I agree 1000% with this post. I wish I could have said almost. I wasnt so lucky:nono: I think its a positive that your talking about it, especially so soon after the incident. It took me many many years before I could think, let alone talk about being date raped.
 
So I can be clear, this was not a simple matter of this guy being pushy. While don't really want to get into details, he was very rough and managed to get my clothes off (which I tried to keep on) and pick me up and carried me into the bathroom, where he locked the door and put me on the sink. Before that I held onto walls to keep from being pulled in and he just grabbed my wrists. I was just hoping he wouldn't get violent because there's nothing I can really do to him. I'd already tried to choke him and push him off of me but that didn't bother him in the slightest.

I think there may have been some mixed signals during the night, but he did know I didn't want to sleep with him.

WTF?!!!! DIAL 911 ALREADY!!! This doesn't make any sense at all. Get off of your computer and call a cop! I so wish I could report you and this sexual assault to your parents or any campus official.
 
I'm trying to make an appointment with the women's center at my college this week, so I'm in touch with them and I hope that helps me. I don't plan on calling the police. I don't think that will solve anything at this time and I personally don't want to go through that.
 
I'm trying to make an appointment with the women's center at my college this week, so I'm in touch with them and I hope that helps me. I don't plan on calling the police. I don't think that will solve anything at this time and I personally don't want to go through that.


I understand, but if he did it to you he will do it to someone else.
 
I'm trying to make an appointment with the women's center at my college this week, so I'm in touch with them and I hope that helps me. I don't plan on calling the police. I don't think that will solve anything at this time and I personally don't want to go through that.

I believe this should be reported. In future he will succeed in raping someone.
 
As far as drinking, I am learning my limits. I'm aware that I wasn't raped, and for that I am glad. But because I've done more than I would ever do, I feel very bad and like I've ruined something for myself. I'm going to see if I can talk with someone at my college tomorrow.
do you feel guilty because you've done things you think you shouldn't have?

Did he force you to do those things or you did those first willingly and then wanted to stop afterwards? (which if you willingly did them that is no justification for somebody to force themselves on you if you want to stop, its just a question)

you could of called out for help and it was right there with the other people in close enough proximity to hear you if you did and you didn't, and you were very aware that "help" was there why do you personally feel you didn't call out? Its not a question Im asking to know the answer to, but i guarantee you that you know there is more of a reason you didn't vs the one you gave about you keep 'quiet' or don't like to "call out" and that answer will help you personally (again just a question not leading to anything for you to find ways to "blame" yourself for what happened)

this experience has so many opportunities for growth and healing, but not from pitying yourself or becoming a "victim" from it (and no that in no way means to shift blame from him to you or take away accountability for his behavior) but from learning from it and counting your blessings, esp since you weren't raped and doing some inward searching because it seems as if you may have more issues underlying yourself and other pertinent things around yourself that may have just been triggered by this situation, and thankfully this trigger is more of a "warning" to bring them to surface and what those issues are are going to be very turbulent and conflicting for you as is the situation and how it happened

as far as reporting the guy to the police depending on what type of laws your state has and from all the other circumstances around your situation you can easily not have a strong case but do what you feel.....

does the guy have issues...yes...is his behavior uncalled for ...yes...does he need as much help and healing as you need...yes.....do either of you need or deserve to be "punished" and "unforgiven" ....no.....

i personally don't know anymore about the guy except from your relay of your experience to determine him to be a "rapist" and i won't assume his mo with all women is to fight with them for hours to get sex from them after he got other action and give up and leave in frustration if his rape is unsuccessful..but I can guess he has some issues within himself that need to be addressed that will affect his relationships with women in a unhealthy way.....

maybe if you tell your story and maybe with your local trauma or counseling center get him in also and have supervised sessions together to get everything out in the open and make efforts to get some real healing going on for both of you guys
 
I understand that this is something I need to learn and grow from, and I'm trying to do that. I don't sit around crying over myself and pitying myself. I can't bring myself to shed tears. But I am thinking over it and trying to work it out in my head. As for calling on my friends to help me, I really can't explain that. I guess I can say there may be a certain amount of fear (perhaps due to childhood things) and while no situation has been this serious, it's not the first time I've gone quiet or silent when I really wanted to say something. With the sexual act, I don't know what you say. I wasn't expecting it to happen, but he pushed me into it, and after that I didn't stop. That's all I'll say and I do not know why.

As for as the guy goes, I don't want to call him a rapist. I think he was wrong for trying to take advantage of me and force me to do something I don't want to do. I think I was irresponsible in my lack of self-control and perhaps for not being 100% clear from the very beginning. I can admit that I made some mistakes that night concerning such, and I need to so I don't make them again. I do know that if he wanted to rape me, truly and without a doubt wanted to, he could have and he would have. He didn't leave because I really beat him in a fight. After that long struggle, something made him leave. For all I know maybe he realized he was wrong, his conscience got the better of him, just sick of my struggling, I don't know. He could've just choked the hell out of me if he wanted to. But he left. I don't know what he thought of after he left and I'll probably never know.

Sorry if this seems like some long rant. I'm going to counseling this week made the appointment not going to blame myself and beat myself up anymore, nor will I allow anyone else to. I'm thankful for the support I've heard here, because that's what pushed me to make that appointment and keep my head up.
 
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