I decided on tonight I am no longer going to be throwing pity parties for myself. Time to get up and dust myself off to get back to work!! There is too much life to live to waste time wallowing in my failures. No more looking to the left or right, but now I will only look ahead in front of me. The Lord is my strength and with Him on my side I can accomplish anything!! I am ready to get back on my feet and claim what is rightfully mine!!!
It really bugs me that the lgbt movement rode the coattail so of racial civil rights to get where they are now. They should have done it on their own and most people stood npbepy and let it happen. Smh
Yeah, just like #BlackLivesMatter smh. It's truly racist to do that type of thing. They will never admit to it, though. And our church has nothing but compassion for them.
Recognizing that the ACT of homosexuality is the sin, we don't condemn them as sinful for being of the persuasion because we recognize that we don't have all the psychological/biological (chemical) answers and remain prayerful and open to the leading of the H-ly Spirit concerning it.
Most everybody desires sex but unless you do it outside marriage, you haven't committed it yet. Of course, homosexuality is a very disordered state outside the purpose of creation, existing from the fall of man. Well, we also have diseases and earthquakes as well. Shrugs. We require compassion and not condemnation but likewise, the faithful are to gird themselves against committing the act to celibacy. It's a difficult cross to bear. Sex outside marriage is wrong, period and marriage is between a man and a woman. Everything else is counterfeit.
Hi @kanozas and to all of those reading...
It is imperative to weigh in on this statement (bolded above). God's Word -- The Bible is quite clear that not only is the 'ACT' of homosexuality sin, but even the thought of it. God is very clear about the thoughts of man, as sin starts in the mind and then becomes manifested into the act of it.
If I had cherished sin in my heart, the Lord would not have listened. (Psalm 66:18)
For from within, out of men's hearts, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. (Mark 7:21-22)
Each one is tempted when, by his own evil desire, he is dragged away and enticed. Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death. (James 1:14-15)
The Bible is clear that...'whatsoever a man 'thinketh' so is he." If a person 'thinks' they are gay, eventually they will 'live' it and not seek deliverance from it. For one to say that there is no psychological/biological (chemical) answer(s) is a lie straight from hell. There is an answer, it's sin...period. The statement above is very dangerous to one's soul, as it is the devil's deception of giving 'approval' to it, to keep one in bondage and it actually gives way to one having 'permission' to be a part of that lifestyle. Therefore, this concept is not from God. It never was, nor shall it ever be. The Truth is that it is not 'okay' to be gay. not even in thought. One has to know that it is sin and will always be sin, and that God does not approve of it, nor it's thoughts.
homosexuality is not an entitlement which is how it is being exalted. It was not eliminated from the Cross. It is not exempt from redemption. It is a sin that was indeed nailed to the Cross along with every other sin. Therefore, it is not true, that it is acceptable to be gay just as long as one is physically abstinent. One has to accept it as sin and to accept the redemption from it that Jesus so lovingly paid for...in Full.
I've shared this with compassion.
To God be the Glory... Amen.
@Shimmie
It's what our Church teaches and it is what I trust being that it is what is taught and why I say this in a catholic thread. Lusting is one thing and a specific thing. But if a thought crosses the mind that you want to rob because you lack money, you are not guilty of robbery until you do it. One can be of the nature of a musician and another not. One person can be born of the sensual nature and another frigid (ex. for marriage). Where is the condemnation until they sin, either mind or body? I think there is a very fine thread of difference between that persuasion and lusting, not being of that persuasion and acting it out...that is a chasm of distance and difference. As a catholic, this is what is in our catechism and I'm standing by it. It is a disordered nature, brought on by the fall of man. I stand firmly in the catholic faith. I am never going to condemn someone to hell because they have that imbalance. If I were, what about serial baby mommas? Abortionists (uually, people don't just have one), serial thieves and other types of fornicators? Yes, the action is the grave sin and error. Based upon the sacrament of reconciliation, it is what you commit. If you entertain thoughts (probably, to a masturbatory level), then you have most likely sinned.
Our catechism on the issue:
http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p3s2c2a6.htm
Offences against chastity
2351 Lust is disordered desire for or inordinate enjoyment of sexual pleasure. Sexual pleasure is morally disordered when sought for itself, isolated from its procreative and unitive purposes.
2352 By masturbation is to be understood the deliberate stimulation of the genital organs in order to derive sexual pleasure. "Both the Magisterium of the Church, in the course of a constant tradition, and the moral sense of the faithful have been in no doubt and have firmly maintained that masturbation is an intrinsically and gravely disordered action."138 "The deliberate use of the sexual faculty, for whatever reason, outside of marriage is essentially contrary to its purpose." For here sexual pleasure is sought outside of "the sexual relationship which is demanded by the moral order and in which the total meaning of mutual self-giving and human procreation in the context of true love is achieved."139
To form an equitable judgment about the subjects' moral responsibility and to guide pastoral action, one must take into account the affective immaturity, force of acquired habit, conditions of anxiety or other psychological or social factors that lessen, if not even reduce to a minimum, moral culpability.
Chastity and homosexuality
2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,141 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."142 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.
2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.
2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.
This is why I, as a catholic, stress that it is the act and I am providing proof as to where I'm getting it What about those on this board who masturbate? Did they know it is disordered and removes salvific grace if they are aware it is grave sin? What if the hormones makes them want to do it, that is a condition of mindset, they desire to do it. Are they guilty until they do it? No. And I'd like to say that there are those who think I'm promoting homosexuality. Well, I'm not. It surely is a sore spot in this culture, though, and I attribute prejudice to that. We are to have compassion for them....for all. This issue is no different than catholic devotion to Our Blessed Mother, which I will not change because it is not understood by others. With everything, prayer and supplication.
Being in this forum means that my expression of my faith will remain faithful to the Magisterium and I won't change up something to placate another denominational viewpoint. I give this respectfully. You know I am grateful to you for dousing many fires in the CF.
I hope it is understood that I realize you and I do not see eye-to-eye with this. This is the way to disagree with each other, lladies, with respect. And Shimmie has always shown it in a very gracious manner.
But I'm not defending homosexuality....I'm giving explanation based upon our catechism how we are to see it and deal with it. M. has been discussed before. Defending is something different. Being mentioned as examples of real world human problems. Our catechism covers everything, from A to Z, so we know how to live. Of course, it's based upon scripture and holy tradition (that which Jesus taught the disciples and revealed throughout time from the H-ly Spirit). They should not be things we are afraid to talk about and they do put this whole thing on human sexuality in perspective.
One never knows who in lurkdom is appreciative that these issues are covered and discussed. It's not dirty, it's life to talk about it so as to avoid it and why.
At the bolded: You are absolutely correct which is another reason, I had to make it clear so that anyone lurking would not have the wrong concept.
Also, I've moved our conversation to the Christian Random Thoughts.
@mz.rae....Feeling great!!! This past Sunday's message was exactly what I needed!! Ready for the week! Hallelujah!
Amen and Amen to all this @Shimmie. I couldn't have said it any better. Besides anyone who says that they 'feel' they were born gay, I say to them,Hi @kanozas and to all of those reading...
It is imperative to weigh in on this statement (bolded above). God's Word -- The Bible is quite clear that not only is the 'ACT' of homosexuality sin, but even the thought of it. God is very clear about the thoughts of man, as sin starts in the mind and then becomes manifested into the act of it.
If I had cherished sin in my heart, the Lord would not have listened. (Psalm 66:18)
For from within, out of men's hearts, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. (Mark 7:21-22)
Each one is tempted when, by his own evil desire, he is dragged away and enticed. Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death. (James 1:14-15)
The Bible is clear that...'whatsoever a man 'thinketh' so is he." If a person 'thinks' they are gay, eventually they will 'live' it and not seek deliverance from it. For one to say that there is no psychological/biological (chemical) answer(s) is a lie straight from hell. There is an answer, it's sin...period. The statement above is very dangerous to one's soul, as it is the devil's deception of giving 'approval' to it, to keep one in bondage and it actually gives way to one having 'permission' to be a part of that lifestyle. Therefore, this concept is not from God. It never was, nor shall it ever be. The Truth is that it is not 'okay' to be gay. not even in thought. One has to know that it is sin and will always be sin, and that God does not approve of it, nor it's thoughts.
homosexuality is not an entitlement which is how it is being exalted. It was not eliminated from the Cross. It is not exempt from redemption. It is a sin that was indeed nailed to the Cross along with every other sin. Therefore, it is not true, that it is acceptable to be gay just as long as one is physically abstinent. One has to accept it as sin and to accept the redemption from it that Jesus so lovingly paid for...in Full.
I've shared this with compassion.
To God be the Glory... Amen.