Why is birth control/contraception wrong?

[Iwanthealthyhair67]

What Is the Rhythm Method?

A woman practices the rhythm method of birth control, or natural family planning, by learning to recognize the days she is fertile, and not having sex before and during those days. The rhythm method does not work for all couples. Women who have regular menstrual cycles and who are very careful about when they have sex usually find it to be effective. Women who have irregular cycles and who are not so careful often end up becoming pregnant.

here's the wiki link and according to the chart you can only have sex 8 days a month lol ...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calendar-based_methods

What is the rythm method? @Iwanthealthyhair67

 

[Rainbow Dash]

What Is the Rhythm Method?

A woman practices the rhythm method of birth control, or natural family planning, by learning to recognize the days she is fertile, and not having sex before and during those days. The rhythm method does not work for all couples. Women who have regular menstrual cycles and who are very careful about when they have sex usually find it to be effective. Women who have irregular cycles and who are not so careful often end up becoming pregnant.

here's the wiki link and according to the chart you can only have sex 8 days a month lol ...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calendar-based_methods

Many couples, especially husbands would not like this method...8 days a month. Maybe a different method. Are there any other methods? Maybe I need to research.

 

[loolalooh]

Not that I advocate this, but there is "breastfeeding contraception".

"Women who have just given birth may use continuous breastfeeding as a method of birth control." This tends to prevent the release of hormones which cause ovulation. It can last up to 6 months.

For more: http://www.plannedparenthood.org/health-topics/birth-control/breastfeeding-4219.htm

 

[Iwanthealthyhair67]

yes, I see how this can be problem and this is 8 consecutive days so what about spontanaeity , I checked the calendar and aint nothing spontaenous about it I see lots of sad husband AND wives

Many couples, especially husbands would not like this method...8 days a month. Maybe a different method. Are there any other methods? Maybe I need to research.

 

[makeupgirl]

Now the whole tubes getting tied I am against this. You are altering you bodies natural form. Now if this is needed for health reason, then ok. But just be tying and cuting tubes because the persons just wants to, I dont agree.

LOL...I'm sorry to laugh. I was just thinking about my aunt. When I was 10, my mom told me that my aunt went to her doctor to get her tubes tied because she didn't want any kids. The doctor refused at first because she was 25 then. So my aunt started crying in the office and the doctor agreed to do the procedure. But she not to long ago had a partial hysterectomy because of endometriosis but I think she has some regrets. I say that because she got a puppy (of all things a rockweller) and she' very nuturing towards it, as well as my other aunt's dog. My other aunt said that she thinks my aunt has some regrets about not having children.

 

[makeupgirl]

The Pill (hormonal bc) will also prevent a fertilized egg from implanting in a woman's uterus, like one of the morning after pills does. Some people argue that it's not a "life" until the fertilized egg implants, others say it is a "life" as soon as the egg and sperm meet. Christians usually take the stance that a life has been created as soon as the egg and sperm meet, making the Pill a no-go, since the pill doesn't prevent conception, but only implantation. For a woman on the Pill who has conceived, the embryo would simply continue to pass through her system.

I can't speak to Yaz and other forms of BC, but I also believe that there have to be more serious health side-effects than they let on. Think about the sheer number of women who purchase birth control for years. There is waaay too much money at stake for the pharma companies to allow any negative studies to come out.

So I was like whenever the Lord's will for me to be married. Hubby and I are going to really have to talk. I'm scared to death of BC of all kinds because I've had too many health problems from them. However, I've also had too many close calls where I should have been pregnant but I wasn't because I wasn't ovulating so I that was a calm relief for someone that wasn't ready to be a mother. Not so calm relief to find out I have endometroisis and PCOS that will make it tough for conception when the time comes. What gives me a peace of mind towards future pregnancies is knowing that whenever season God has allowed me to conceive, I believe it will happen.

 

[BostonMaria]

LOL...I'm sorry to laugh. I was just thinking about my aunt. When I was 10, my mom told me that my aunt went to her doctor to get her tubes tied because she didn't want any kids. The doctor refused at first because she was 25 then. So my aunt started crying in the office and the doctor agreed to do the procedure. But she not to long ago had a partial hysterectomy because of endometriosis but I think she has some regrets. I say that because she got a puppy (of all things a rockweller) and she' very nuturing towards it, as well as my other aunt's dog. My other aunt said that she thinks my aunt has some regrets about not having children.

I'm surprised the doctor went ahead and did the procedure. When I had my son my mom tried to force the doctor to get my tubes tied LOL I was only 21 but was married and here's my mom bossing me around. The doctor said no and refused to do it. I think he saw how my mom was trying to force it ahaha Then I tried again when I was 27 and had my DD. Again the doctor said no because I was too young.

 

[sidney]

What Is the Rhythm Method?

A woman practices the rhythm method of birth control, or natural family planning, by learning to recognize the days she is fertile, and not having sex before and during those days. The rhythm method does not work for all couples. Women who have regular menstrual cycles and who are very careful about when they have sex usually find it to be effective. Women who have irregular cycles and who are not so careful often end up becoming pregnant.

here's the wiki link and according to the chart you can only have sex 8 days a month lol ...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calendar-based_methods

Omg at the bolded! I think it's actually the oppositie. I believe it's more like 4-5days before ovulation and 4-5 days after it, so you abstain 8-10 days out of 30 or something like that.

 

[sidney]

yes, I see how this can be problem and this is 8 consecutive days so what about spontanaeity , I checked the calendar and aint nothing spontaenous about it I see lots of sad husband AND wives

Omg!Too funny!

 

[aribell]

All those years of human sexuality classes are coming back. I have to say that the rhythm method and natural family planning need to be distinguished from one another. Natural Family Planning does work with irregular cycles. I personally know two women with irregular cycles who have embraced NFP. Also, with NFP, the only days a couple wouldn't have sex would be when the woman is fertile and prob'ly not when she is on her period--which is an individual thing. But the "available" days would certainly be more than 8.


http://familydoctor.org/familydocto...ol/birth-control/natural-family-planning.html

 

[taz007]

This belief is due to the conviction that it is a selfish act. In general, one who uses birth control/contraception wants to engage in the pleasure of sex while blocking one of God's purposes for sex - procreation.

Correct me if I am wrong but wouldn't NFP in order to prevent pregnancy be a selfish act as well?

BC is not 100% and one could get pregnant, the same could be said for NFP.

Say, perhaps, that the birth control of choice is spermacide, Sponge, etc. Are these prohibited?

Is there a difference between the various types of birth control (NFP, pill, spermacide, ect)?

 

[aribell]

^^^NFP is simply not having sex when you are fertile.

By contrast, birth control and spermicide are chemicals which prevent pregnancy by changing your body's natural processes/killing sperm. Likewise condoms and diaphragms block sperm.

 

[taz007]

^ ^ Ah, I understand now (I think). Thanks!

 

[loolalooh]

Correct me if I am wrong but wouldn't NFP in order to prevent pregnancy be a selfish act as well?

BC is not 100% and one could get pregnant, the same could be said for NFP.

Say, perhaps, that the birth control of choice is spermacide, Sponge, etc. Are these prohibited?

Is there a difference between the various types of birth control (NFP, pill, spermacide, ect)?

I am personally convicted against NFP (except in instances where it may done for medical reasons). The day that I get married is the same day that I become available to have children, so I personally won't practice NFP. To me, there is no difference between the various types of birth control.

I do believe in using wisdom when it comes to bringing a child into this world, but that wisdom comes in the form of: "Should I wait until marriage?", "Should I marry this man?", "Should I take this career path?", etc. It doesn't come in the form of "Should I use birth control?". I believe that if we follow God's instructions in all those areas, He will set up our path such that the child shall lack of nothing.

This is just my personal belief.

Matthew 6
30 If that is how God clothes the grass of the field, which is here today and tomorrow is thrown into the fire, will he not much more clothe you—you of little faith? 31 So do not worry, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ 32 For the pagans run after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them. 33 But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well.

 

[MonPetite]

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[aribell]

Choosing to have children only when you are ready to do so is not something that I would generally term "selfish". The introduction of family planning methods in developing countries is literally saving lives. Things may not be that extreme here, but a couple could end up impoverished if they had a baby as often as the woman is able. Women have been charting fertility for centuries--just not as accurately as women do today.

Creating a baby is spiritual, in that God gives life, but it's also natural. It's kind of like, if I choose not to eat, and my fat cells shrink, that's a result of natural processes that I chose to engage in. If a couple chooses to create a baby, that is a choice that they made. The baby didn't just appear from God--the couple chose to engage in an activity that would create a baby. If they choose not to engage in an activity that would create a baby, then they may have every good reason for that.

A couple who uses NFP is engaging in sexual activity 100% accepting of everything that sex entails. They are not divorcing the reproductive aspect of sex from the act by altering the process itself. Again, choosing to abstain so as to not do something that you are not prepared for seems more prudent than selfish.

 

[loolalooh]

^^^ But the solution in developing countries isn't to "control" the population. The solution is to feed/help those countries. Rather than teaching these people how to implement certain strategies to "prevent" births, why don't we tackle the real issue at hand.

Don't get me wrong. I do see your point that NFP has saved lives in those countries. However, it is unfortunate that is being done in this manner. If only people were more willing to give in this world and help the impoverished through direct means (i.e., food, clothing, etc.). Our Jesus helped the impoverished directly. Rather than telling the poor to practice NFP, He fed the poor.

 

[aribell]

Loolalooh, if what you are saying is true, then every woman who is physically able should be like the Duggars. They aren't doing anything more than getting pregnant every time it's possible.

 

[loolalooh]

Loolalooh, if what you are saying is true, then every woman who is physically able should be like the Duggars. They aren't doing anything more than getting pregnant every time it's possible.

Here is what I'm saying: I feel that every woman who the Lord calls into marriage should not block the blessing of a child. To me, marriage and opening oneself up to having children, go hand in hand. Does that mean every woman who enters a marriage will have 19+ children without NFP? No.

The only time I see fit that one should consider NFP or another birth control method is when certain medical issues come into play.

To me, it is sad that NFP is being viewed as a "solution" in developing countries. We should tackle the real issue at hand in those countries.

 

[aribell]

^^^Serious financial issues might also have to be considered, but you may well be right. Being open to however many children the couple can have would require that we women in particular release the control over our lives and how they play out.

I was just noting the use of the word "control" by abortion-rights advocates. Women are said to want control over their bodies. What would happen if we traded our control for God's sovereignty? Hmm...

 

[JayAnn0513]

Not that I advocate this, but there is "breastfeeding contraception".

"Women who have just given birth may use continuous breastfeeding as a method of birth control." This tends to prevent the release of hormones which cause ovulation. It can last up to 6 months.

For more: http://www.plannedparenthood.org/health-topics/birth-control/breastfeeding-4219.htm

Yeah...that totally does not work.

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[loolalooh]

^^^Serious financial issues might also have to be considered, but you may well be right. Being open to however many children the couple can have would require that we women in particular release the control over our lives and how they play out.

I was just noting the use of the word "control" by abortion-rights advocates. Women are said to want control over their bodies. What would happen if we traded our control for God's sovereignty? Hmm...

I wonder what would happen as well.

Meanwhile, I read that men have become significantly less fertile over the last 50 years. Some people are pointing to obesity, but it would be interesting if our Lord has a hand in it.

 

[Prudent1]

Please do not misunderstand my opinions- If you totally disagree with everything I am about to say please take away this one point. God should be the final authority for everything in our lives including contraception.

Well

When I first gave my life to Christ I use to think that birth control was wrong thats because I had no understanding of it. People always say the bible says "Be fruitful and multiply" but it only says that like 2-3 times in the bible and that was when the earth was first being inhabited. So now the earth is FULLY populated, overly really, so its not a commandment to have a whole lot of children. Now they are cases where a woman was on some type of birth control and she still got pregnant. Well if thats happens, well hey Glory to God. But it is nothing wrong with a woman taking precautions. If you have a husband and a wife that only makes $32,000/year and can't afford children, I would rather them take the steps to prevent pregnancy until they are financially stable verses them bringing kids into this world they cant afford to take care of. But sometimes people have a whole lot of kids and say this will was the of God, and for some it may be. But if you have unprotected sex pregnancy will be the outcome. You should just use wisdom. Like this women on TV with these 20 kids. She almost died her last two pregnancy and just had a miscarriage. Now by no means am I trying to talk down about this woman. But her health and life is in jeproady.The bible says God maketh rich and added no sorrow to it.
So if people dont want to use birth control with their spouse, thats fine. And for the ones who do, thats fine too... no one is wrong...

How effective is the rythm method aren't married Chrisitians practising that, it's natural and healthy and just calls for a little self control ..

This is NOT an attack on you or anyone but some of your statements have made me sad . Why? I'll tell you. Your train of thought appears to line up with some of the erroneous info I hear non-believers citing. I've highlighted a few things and would like to present you with a different POV. May I?
So now the earth is FULLY populated, overly really, so its not a commandment to have a whole lot of children.
So, The God who said be fruitfull and mulitply, who also said I am God and I change not, and also said his word is eternal is now wrong and out of control of the human population in 2012. What He didn't know 2012 was coming? He needs our help b/c our biggest and brightest humans have a certain number and certain races in mind as acceptable. We believe them even though we know they cannot be wiser than God who has not changed. Mkay
Is the earth really overpopulated or do we have a problem with selfishness that shows up in a lot of forms? Case in point a few years ago in Myanmar when the tsunami hit as usual the crazy bible thumpin' Christians and mean ole Westerners donated money immediately to the cause. Within a very short amount of time boats and planes loaded with supplies desperately needed arrived on the shores of Myanmar. Most of them sat there and rotted/ were never used b/c the local government would not accept them. The same thing happens in countries all over the world especially on the continent of Africa. Supplies arrive>crooked or ignorant gov officials do not allow said supplies to be distributed> crooked officials only allow certain ppl access to supplies> majority of ppl die. Or you have phony charities that rob from collected donations and pocket the majority leaving little for those in need. That's a problem with morals/ integrity. Many stories of dwindling food supply sound credible on the surface until you dig deeper. When you learn of all of the red tape and interesting practices of farmers being told what to grow, how much, of food being destroyed for no reason, food being patented etc. If God is God and has somehow been managing to keep the human population in control for the past several thousand years, why does he need our help now? Wars, disease, other natural disasters, plus plain ole human stupidity will keep all of that in check. Plus, let's say all the intelligent and all the believers follow the standard boy for me, girl for you, praise the Lord now we're through rule in the interest of keeping population to a certain level, will the ignorant do the same? So, we already live in a world where the non-believers have more live births that believers. In the next generation, who is going to represent Christ? Have you seen the end results of population control? Check out what is happening in China (kidnappings, rape, etc) and Japan. It's not good. It sounded good back in the 80's when it was being implemented though. We cannot play God. His thoughts are so far above ours. We have and waste so much food here. If the food got to where it needed to go w/o all the hinderances everyone could eat and then some. Have you ever worked in a restaurant? I have. The amount of food thrown away is staggering! Plus, the very concept of restaurants is a luxury.
If you have a husband and a wife that only makes $32,000/year and can't afford children, I would rather them take the steps to prevent pregnancy until they are financially stable verses them bringing kids into this world they cant afford to take care of.
Interesting, how do you arrive at the number of financial stability? BTW, what it truly takes to meet human necessity versus what we have redefined our expectations of living to be are two entirely different things. I do not think couples should procreate like bunnies but I do know that a lot of what we want to have is all extra. As a result, while I would not want to live on less than a certain dollar amount a year, I could. I would have to change my thinking and be twice as smart with my money. I would have to learn not to compare my existence with that of others and the like. Others can do the same but they don't want to (selfish maybe?). I would rather a loving couple to raise kids on a less than lavish lifestyle than a couple loaded financially to have kids but be too busy to be bothered with parenting (which is often what happens). So, the kids get material goods but no substance.
Like this women on TV with these 20 kids. She almost died her last two pregnancy and just had a miscarriage. Now by no means am I trying to talk down about this woman. But her health and life is in jeproady.I'll admit, I'm not a member of the quiver full movement but I respect the Duggar's right to choose (interestingly enough it seems they meet your criteria for a family but you disapprove of the number of kids they have knowing that 1- the kids will be well taken care of in the event of either parent’s demise and 2- the kids are being taught fiscal skills that will enable them to survive w/o dependence on anyone else ). Did you know they were financially independent well before a TV camera ever started rolling? They seem to love each other. The kids seem to be well adjusted children. They appear to seek God first. I would not want 20 kids. I wouldn't want 1/2 that number but, they are not public assistance recipients. Their offspring will likely not inherit the lifestyle those a part of the poverty cycle will. I have not seen anything to say her life is in jeopardy either. If it is, I respect her right to choose just like someone can refuse cancer treatment or something. I will say I would much rather married, in love, Mrs. Duggar to have kids than long term public assistance (like for the past several generations w/ no end of dependency in sight) BM/ BF (yeah men too) to be out there procreating like there’s no tomorrow.

 

[Prudent1]

^^^ But the solution in developing countries isn't to "control" the population. The solution is to feed/help those countries. Rather than teaching these people how to implement certain strategies to "prevent" births, why don't we tackle the real issue at hand.

Don't get me wrong. I do see your point that NFP has saved lives in those countries. However, it is unfortunate that is being done in this manner. If only people were more willing to give in this world and help the impoverished through direct means (i.e., food, clothing, etc.). Our Jesus helped the impoverished directly. Rather than telling the poor to practice NFP, He fed the poor.

IKR, I read an article about cloned goats who can produce milk that prevents diarrhea in 3rd world countries. Sounds good on the surface huh? Then as usual, I thought a little more. The problem is tainted water. The solution that has worked in similar places is digging wells and better irrigation. But cloned goats are cooler I guess... Meanwhile ppl are dying.

 

[felic1]

There was a statement about being so heavenly minded that you were no earthly good.
I am not trying to be judgmental here. Children are expensive and a family is expensive.Many lovely women have found themselves widowed, with a disabled husband and some way, these ladies became the sole support of the family. Yes we are bought with a price. We are still the weaker vessel. I do not believe that a woman should have more children than she can take care of. Knowledge on the earth shall increase. I believe that contraceptives are safe. Condoms are safe. umm...Ok a husband feels that he should not have to wear one. Intrauterine devices are safe. There are a lot of options. I think that some of the apprehension regarding contraceptives is related to fear. How can you have a stable life if you have more children than you can provide for?
How is that wisdom and prudent? Thanks everyone. I have one child.

 

[SoSwanky]

There was a statement about being so heavenly minded that you were no earthly good.
I am not trying to be judgmental here. Children are expensive and a family is expensive.Many lovely women have found themselves widowed, with a disabled husband and some way, these ladies became the sole support of the family. Yes we are bought with a price. We are still the weaker vessel. I do not believe that a woman should have more children than she can take care of. Knowledge on the earth shall increase. I believe that contraceptives are safe. Condoms are safe. umm...Ok a husband feels that he should not have to wear one. Intrauterine devices are safe. There are a lot of options. I think that some of the apprehension regarding contraceptives is related to fear. How can you have a stable life if you have more children than you can provide for?
How is that wisdom and prudent? Thanks everyone. I have one child.

At the bolded- i can dig it- i say that all. the. time. and some folk still don't get it.

 

[loolalooh]

There was a statement about being so heavenly minded that you were no earthly good.
I am not trying to be judgmental here. Children are expensive and a family is expensive.Many lovely women have found themselves widowed, with a disabled husband and some way, these ladies became the sole support of the family. Yes we are bought with a price. We are still the weaker vessel. I do not believe that a woman should have more children than she can take care of. Knowledge on the earth shall increase. I believe that contraceptives are safe. Condoms are safe. umm...Ok a husband feels that he should not have to wear one. Intrauterine devices are safe. There are a lot of options. I think that some of the apprehension regarding contraceptives is related to fear. How can you have a stable life if you have more children than you can provide for?
How is that wisdom and prudent? Thanks everyone. I have one child.

The bolded is not biblical statement. Source: http://bible.org/seriespage/heavenly-minded-and-earthly-good-1-corinthians-318-45

It also goes against this Scripture:

Colossians 3:2
2 Set your minds on things above, not on earthly things.

Additionally, no one is/was more heavenly minded than Jesus, yet he was of good to the earth. Anyone who can get even close to being as heavenly minded as Jesus is on the right path.

 

[cutiebe2]

From my understanding, their logic is that God decides when they are finished having kids. They are not purposely having children, they just don't believe in birth control. They believe that they will stop having children when God decides to stop giving them children.

I heard the Duggars are using Clomid and all of that. Either them or their other Quivver friends the Bates. So thats why its silly. Just as you should prevent God from bringing children into your life, you shouldn't force children into your live either through IVF. I think Michelle is 45 now..she should really stop.


What I don't understand is why Christians (who believe this way) don't have more kids. If you are married and having regular sex as God comands, you should have between 4-6 children at least. If not then you are in some way preventing more children. The average children a woman births has shrunk across the board. I think many are using some type of birth control even if they don't admit it.

I terms of me personally. I never want to use hormonal birth control because of the health risks that others alluded to.

 

[Prudent1]

There was a statement about being so heavenly minded that you were no earthly good.
I am not trying to be judgmental here. Children are expensive and a family is expensive.Many lovely women have found themselves widowed (term life insurance for both b/c death will happen eventually), with a disabled husband and some way (all couples/ working ppl who have dependents should have long term disability insurance), these ladies became the sole support of the family (these types of insurance are a part of a spouse's responsibilty to each other and any offspring, are relatively inexpensive, and should be non-negotiable). Yes we are bought with a price. We are still the weaker vessel. I do not believe that a woman should have more children than she can take care of (I agree. I just think that ppl do not pray to God asking him for his input. I think they decide.). Knowledge on the earth shall increase. I believe that contraceptives are safe. Condoms are safe. umm...Ok a husband feels that he should not have to wear one. Intrauterine devices are safe. There are a lot of options. I think that some of the apprehension regarding contraceptives is related to fear. How can you have a stable life if you have more children than you can provide for?(I don't think for one second that a couple who has prayerfully sought God and made their requests known to him, will be ignored by God. His desire is that children be a blessing. My point is I think it honors God when we seek him/ include him in this area too. That's all. But I know many will think it too much to include him in this way.)
How is that wisdom and prudent? Thanks everyone. I have one child.

Hi @felic1,
I'm kinda over simplifying my responses but I think you'll get the point. There is nothing wrong with you and DH having 1 child. We may disagree (not you and I per se but all who have contributed to this thread) about specifics concerning BC but all I am saying is I think it honors God when we seek him in all areas of our lives including our fertility. That does not mean if you desire no children, 2, or 15 that any one person is right and all others wrong. It just means before we decide what we want to do, we should include God. I see a lot of I statements in these posts. I have yet to see one post where someone said "Me and DH prayed and this is what God said..."

Is there anyone out there who together prayed with a DH and sought God's opinion concerning kids (not due to infertility) maybe at the beggining of the marriage or something? Is there anyone who prayed concerning bc?

 

[aribell]

What I don't understand is why Christians (who believe this way) don't have more kids. If you are married and having regular sex as God comands, you should have between 4-6 children at least. If not then you are in some way preventing more children. The average children a woman births has shrunk across the board. I think many are using some type of birth control even if they don't admit it.

I terms of me personally. I never want to use hormonal birth control because of the health risks that others alluded to.

See, this is kinda what I was trying to say before. My great grandmother had 17 children. They lived on a farm. My grandmother (her daughter) had 8, one every year. Then my grandfather passed away in an untimely manner. My other grandmother also had 8--not exactly every year, but there isn't a big spread in age between them, and she and my grandfather separated. If my grandfathers were around longer, I can only think more kids would have kept coming.

The women in the next generation were the generation of The Pill. A few kids at most. So, my only real exposure to women not on BC is that if they are at the right age and everything is OK physically, children will just keep coming. I understand that a lot of times, physical factors make conception difficult or ovulation irregular; however, it just seems like in most instances, without any intervention--hormonal or otherwise--the default is going to be a large family.