What does your pastor teach on DIVORCE???
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sassygirl2
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I am pentecostal and my pastor rarely speaks on divorce i remember a time i ask about the scriptures on divorce at homebiblestudy he basically beat all around the bush about the subject. He did say it was wrong but he didn't say that if one spouse cheated you can still have a divorce and marry again.
1. Non-denominational.
2. Divorce: in case of adultery, abuse (physical/mental/emotional), lack of provision (1 Timothy 5:8). The Bible says whom GOD put together, let no man put asunder (Mark 10:9). If such abuses are occurring, that would be an indication that God did not put them together and, therefore, is not applicable(?) under that scripture.
I hope I explained that accurately....
2. Divorce: in case of adultery, abuse (physical/mental/emotional), lack of provision (1 Timothy 5:8). The Bible says whom GOD put together, let no man put asunder (Mark 10:9). If such abuses are occurring, that would be an indication that God did not put them together and, therefore, is not applicable(?) under that scripture.
I hope I explained that accurately....
gone_fishing
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I like Pentecostal and Baptist services but I'm really non-denominational. All that separatist doctine stuff kind of rubs me the wrong way. Some denominations think they have all the right answers and the "other christians" are doing all the wrong things.
Anyway, I found this article about it and this is pretty much what I've been told.
When discussing what the Bible says about divorce, it is important to keep in mind the words of Malachi 2:16, “I hate divorce says the Lord God.” Whatever grounds the Bible possibly gives for divorce, that does not mean God desires a divorce to occur in those instances. Rather than asking “is ______ a grounds for divorce,” often the question should be “is _______ grounds for forgiveness, restoration, and/or counseling?”
The Bible gives two clear grounds for divorce: (1) sexual immorality (Matthew 5:32; 19:9), and (2) abandonment by an unbeliever (1 Corinthians 7:15). Even in these two instances, though, divorce is not required or even encouraged. The most that can be said is that sexual immorality and abandonment are grounds (an allowance) for divorce. Confession, forgiveness, reconciliation, and restoration are always the first steps. Divorce should only be viewed as a last resort.
Are there any grounds for divorce beyond what the Bible explicitly says? Perhaps, but we do not presume upon the Word of God. It is very dangerous to go beyond what the Bible says (1 Corinthians 4:6). The most frequent additional grounds for divorce that people inquire about are: spousal abuse (emotional or physical), child abuse (emotional, physical, or sexual), addiction to pornography, drug / alcohol use, crime / imprisonment, and mismanagement of finances (such as through a gambling addiction). None of these can be claimed to be explicit Biblical grounds for a divorce.
That does not necessarily mean, though, that none of them are grounds for divorce which God would approve of. For example, we cannot imagine that it would be God’s desire for a wife to remain with a husband who physically abuses her and/or their children. In such an instance, the wife should definitely separate herself and the children from the abusive husband. However, even in such a situation, a time of separation with the goal of repentance and restoration should be the goal, not necessarily immediately beginning divorce proceedings. Please understand, by saying that the above are not Biblical grounds for divorce, we are definitely not saying that a man/woman whose spouse is engaging in such activities should remain in the situation. If there is any risk to self or children, separation is a good and appropriate step.
Another way to look at this issue is to differentiate between Biblical grounds for divorce and Biblical grounds for divorce and remarriage. Some interpret the two Biblical grounds for divorce mentioned above as the only grounds for remarriage after a divorce, but allow for divorce with no remarriage in other instances. While this is a plausible interpretation, it seems to come too close to presuming upon the Word of God. For more information, please read the following two articles:
http://www.gotquestions.org/divorce-remarriage.html
http://www.gotquestions.org/divorced-remarry.html
In summary, what are the Biblical grounds for divorce? The answer is sexual immorality and abandonment. Are there additional grounds for divorce beyond these two? Possibly. Is divorce ever to be treated lightly or employed as the first recourse? Absolutely not. God is capable of changing and reforming any person. God is capable of healing and renewing any marriage. Divorce should only occur in instances of repeated and unrepentant heinous sin.
Anyway, I found this article about it and this is pretty much what I've been told.
When discussing what the Bible says about divorce, it is important to keep in mind the words of Malachi 2:16, “I hate divorce says the Lord God.” Whatever grounds the Bible possibly gives for divorce, that does not mean God desires a divorce to occur in those instances. Rather than asking “is ______ a grounds for divorce,” often the question should be “is _______ grounds for forgiveness, restoration, and/or counseling?”
The Bible gives two clear grounds for divorce: (1) sexual immorality (Matthew 5:32; 19:9), and (2) abandonment by an unbeliever (1 Corinthians 7:15). Even in these two instances, though, divorce is not required or even encouraged. The most that can be said is that sexual immorality and abandonment are grounds (an allowance) for divorce. Confession, forgiveness, reconciliation, and restoration are always the first steps. Divorce should only be viewed as a last resort.
Are there any grounds for divorce beyond what the Bible explicitly says? Perhaps, but we do not presume upon the Word of God. It is very dangerous to go beyond what the Bible says (1 Corinthians 4:6). The most frequent additional grounds for divorce that people inquire about are: spousal abuse (emotional or physical), child abuse (emotional, physical, or sexual), addiction to pornography, drug / alcohol use, crime / imprisonment, and mismanagement of finances (such as through a gambling addiction). None of these can be claimed to be explicit Biblical grounds for a divorce.
That does not necessarily mean, though, that none of them are grounds for divorce which God would approve of. For example, we cannot imagine that it would be God’s desire for a wife to remain with a husband who physically abuses her and/or their children. In such an instance, the wife should definitely separate herself and the children from the abusive husband. However, even in such a situation, a time of separation with the goal of repentance and restoration should be the goal, not necessarily immediately beginning divorce proceedings. Please understand, by saying that the above are not Biblical grounds for divorce, we are definitely not saying that a man/woman whose spouse is engaging in such activities should remain in the situation. If there is any risk to self or children, separation is a good and appropriate step.
Another way to look at this issue is to differentiate between Biblical grounds for divorce and Biblical grounds for divorce and remarriage. Some interpret the two Biblical grounds for divorce mentioned above as the only grounds for remarriage after a divorce, but allow for divorce with no remarriage in other instances. While this is a plausible interpretation, it seems to come too close to presuming upon the Word of God. For more information, please read the following two articles:
http://www.gotquestions.org/divorce-remarriage.html
http://www.gotquestions.org/divorced-remarry.html
In summary, what are the Biblical grounds for divorce? The answer is sexual immorality and abandonment. Are there additional grounds for divorce beyond these two? Possibly. Is divorce ever to be treated lightly or employed as the first recourse? Absolutely not. God is capable of changing and reforming any person. God is capable of healing and renewing any marriage. Divorce should only occur in instances of repeated and unrepentant heinous sin.
Southernbella.
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My old church was Baptist.
My pastor never taught on it, but then again, he was divorced, so maybe he didn't feel like it was his place.
My pastor never taught on it, but then again, he was divorced, so maybe he didn't feel like it was his place.
I'm pentecostal and my pastor was divorced many years ago. He caught his wife in the act and he stayed with her but she eventually left him and their 4 young children. He preaches against divorce but says their are exceptions like domestic violence. He said if a woman in the church comes to him about being beaten he could not tell her to stay because he would not stay with someone that was knocking him upside the head.
tffy2004
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1. I don't claim a set 
that was supposed to be funny...... Anyway I don't have a denomination. I believe in God and I trust his Holy Word-Holy Bible.
2. Right now I am not under a Preacher or Pastor so my hubby and I study the Bible on our own and have learned some interesting things. This is what we have learned what the Bible says on Divorce:
1st Reason For Divorce. But God grants a biblical divorce for only two reasons. The first one assumes both the husband and wife are non-Christians or both are Christians. The second one is about divorce between a Christian and a non-Christian. Jesus gives us the first one. He permits divorce for unchastity. The Greek word is PORNEIA. The word means more than just sexual activity between a man and a woman. The word refers to heterosexual and homosexual activity as well as incest and sex with an animal. It is an ugly word. Jesus is simply saying that God permits divorce if your spouse has violated the physical side of the relationship. If you divorce for any other reason, remarriage causes adultery.
2nd Reason For Divorce. The Bible says there are two reasons for which God permits divorce. He grants a biblical divorce if one spouse has committed PORNEIA. The second reason He grants a biblical divorce with the right to remarry is if a Christian is married to an unbeliever and the unbeliever wants the divorce,
. . . if any brother has a wife who is an unbeliever, and she consents to live with him, let him not send her away. And a woman who has an unbelieving husband, and he consents to live with her, let her not send her husband away . . . Yet if the unbelieving one leaves, let him leave; the brother or the sister is not under bondage in such cases, but God has called us to peace. (NASB) 1 Corinthians. 7:12-15
One wife claimed that her husband left her emotionally; and therefore, she should be allowed to divorce him. In this situation, the Christian wife does not have the right to leave her spouse. Paul says the believer must remain with the hope that his/her spouse will come to Jesus - this is evangelism by your life (1 Cor. 7:16).
that was supposed to be funny...... Anyway I don't have a denomination. I believe in God and I trust his Holy Word-Holy Bible.2. Right now I am not under a Preacher or Pastor so my hubby and I study the Bible on our own and have learned some interesting things. This is what we have learned what the Bible says on Divorce:
1st Reason For Divorce. But God grants a biblical divorce for only two reasons. The first one assumes both the husband and wife are non-Christians or both are Christians. The second one is about divorce between a Christian and a non-Christian. Jesus gives us the first one. He permits divorce for unchastity. The Greek word is PORNEIA. The word means more than just sexual activity between a man and a woman. The word refers to heterosexual and homosexual activity as well as incest and sex with an animal. It is an ugly word. Jesus is simply saying that God permits divorce if your spouse has violated the physical side of the relationship. If you divorce for any other reason, remarriage causes adultery.
2nd Reason For Divorce. The Bible says there are two reasons for which God permits divorce. He grants a biblical divorce if one spouse has committed PORNEIA. The second reason He grants a biblical divorce with the right to remarry is if a Christian is married to an unbeliever and the unbeliever wants the divorce,
. . . if any brother has a wife who is an unbeliever, and she consents to live with him, let him not send her away. And a woman who has an unbelieving husband, and he consents to live with her, let her not send her husband away . . . Yet if the unbelieving one leaves, let him leave; the brother or the sister is not under bondage in such cases, but God has called us to peace. (NASB) 1 Corinthians. 7:12-15
One wife claimed that her husband left her emotionally; and therefore, she should be allowed to divorce him. In this situation, the Christian wife does not have the right to leave her spouse. Paul says the believer must remain with the hope that his/her spouse will come to Jesus - this is evangelism by your life (1 Cor. 7:16).
This is a beautiful explanation and the first time that I've ever looked at it that way.
MrsHouston
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I'm a member of the Church of Christ
Matthew 19:9 affirms that one who divorces a companion, unless the divorce be for fornication, "committeth adultery." In the Bible, adultery is any voluntary cohabitation of a married person with any other than his lawful spouse. In other words, the person who enters this illicit union "keeps on committing adultery" each time he is sexually intimate with the new partner. In Matthew 5:32 Christ taught that "every one that putteth away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, maketh her an adulteress ... " She is not an adulteress simply because she has been put away, of course. But this divorced woman will likely marry again, and in so doing, she will be entering an adulterous union.
Matthew 19:9 affirms that one who divorces a companion, unless the divorce be for fornication, "committeth adultery." In the Bible, adultery is any voluntary cohabitation of a married person with any other than his lawful spouse. In other words, the person who enters this illicit union "keeps on committing adultery" each time he is sexually intimate with the new partner. In Matthew 5:32 Christ taught that "every one that putteth away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, maketh her an adulteress ... " She is not an adulteress simply because she has been put away, of course. But this divorced woman will likely marry again, and in so doing, she will be entering an adulterous union.
Caramela
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I am in agreeance. That is what we are taught also. Also a member of the Church of Christ.
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MrsHouston
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The BIBLE teaches that that divorce is "allowable" for adultery. Of course God prefers reconciliation. You are the innocent party and allowed to remarry. HTH
tffy2004
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This is my understanding of what the scriptures say applied your situation(anyone is welcome to correct me if I'm wrong, I am still in the process of learning and understanding the word):
First off God Hates divorce but he does recognize it in your situation.
In your case since the husband committed adultery, you are free to leave the marriage and remarry or if you and he choose you two can marry again.
Your ex husband however isn't allowed to remarry because he is forever bound to you until you die, he said (I'm assuming) in his vows til death do we part. So if he remarrys, he and his new wife are adulterers living in sin until you die. Him, because he is bound to you, and her because she is married to a man that is bound to someone else. The only way God will forgive him and the new wife is if they repent for the adultery and stop, ie. dissolve the marriage.
As for you remarrying, you can do so but if he has been married before you need to check the circumstances for the reason of the divorce, or you could be committing adultery.
When there is a divorce for reasons God see's fit, abuse, adultery, or one of them not being a believer and they want to leave, then the person who committed the act of abuse or adultery, is bound to the spouse until he or she dies. The person that was abused or cheated on can remarry the spouse or they can marry someone else.
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Bublnbrnsuga
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This is what I don't understand. So, the husband is still bound to his ex-wife in this case, even if she marries another man? Doesn't God forgive sin, including adultery? Would two wrongs make a right by divorcing again? God doesn't say specifically that if you are abused in the marriage that that's grounds for divorce, so what happens when the innocent party of the abusing situation remarries? Are they commiting adultery too? What happens when the offending party asks for forgiveness ( to their mate and God) and changes their ways, yet the offended party still pursues the divorce? If they remarry are they adulterers, too? There are MILLIONS of Christian people who have divorced over other issues not abandonment or adultery and have remarried. I just can't fathom God counting them out and not recognizing their new union, especially if they are growing in Christ together.
I went to some sites about this and this is what I found:
Question: "Is remarriage after divorce always adultery?"
Answer: Before we even begin to answer this question, let us reiterate, "God hates divorce" (Malachi 2:16). The pain, confusion, and frustration most people experience after a divorce are surely part of the reason that God hates divorce. Even more difficult, Biblically, than the question of divorce, is the question of remarriage. The vast majority of people who divorce either remarry, or consider getting remarried. What does the Bible say about this?
Matthew 19:9 tells us, "I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery." See also Matthew 5:32. These Scriptures clearly state that remarriage after a divorce is adultery - except in the instance of "marital unfaithfulness." In regards to this "exception clause" and its implications, please read the following articles:
What does the Bible say about divorce and remarriage?
I am divorced. Can I remarry?
It is our view that there are certain instances in which divorce and remarriage are permitted without the remarriage being considered adultery. These instances would include unrepentant adultery, physical abuse of spouse or children, and abandonment of a believing spouse by an unbelieving spouse. We are not saying that a person under such circumstances should remarry. The Bible definitely encourages remaining single or reconciliation over remarriage (1 Corinthians 7:11). At the same time, it is our view that God offers His mercy and grace to the innocent party in a divorce and allows that person to remarry without it being considered adultery.
A person who gets a divorce for a reason other than the reasons listed above, and then gets remarried – that person has committed adultery (Luke 16:18). The question then becomes, is this remarriage an "act" of adultery, or a "state" of adultery. The present tense of the Greek in Matthew 5:32; 19:9; and Luke 16:18 can indicate a continuous state of adultery. At the same time, the present tense in Greek does not always indicate continuous action. Sometimes it simply means that something occurred (Aoristic, Punctiliar, or Gnomic present). For example, the word "divorces" in Matthew 5:32 is present, but divorcing is not a continual action. It is our view that remarriage, no matter the circumstances, is not a continual state of adultery. Only the act of getting remarried itself is adultery.
In the Old Testament Law, the punishment for adultery was death (Leviticus 20:10). At the same time, Deuteronomy 24:1-4 mentions remarriage after a divorce, does not call it adultery, and does not demand the death penalty for the remarried spouse. The Bible explicitly says that God hates divorce (Malachi 2:16), but nowhere explicitly states that God hates remarriage. The Bible nowhere commands a remarried couple to divorce. Deuteronomy 24:1-4 does not describe the remarriage as invalid. Ending a remarriage through divorce would be just as sinful as ending a first marriage through divorce. Both would include the breaking of vows before God, between the couple, and in front of witnesses.
No matter the circumstances, once a couple is remarried, they should strive to live out their married lives in fidelity, in a God-honoring way, with Christ at the center. A marriage is a marriage. God does not view the new marriage as invalid or adulterous. A remarried couple should devote themselves to God, and to each other – and honor Him by making their new marriage a lasting and Christ-centered one (Ephesians 5:22-33).
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tffy2004
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I am answering the above questions with the what I got from the Bible. By the way these are some great questions!!
1. So, the husband is still bound to his ex-wife in this case, even if she marries another man?
Yes, He committed adultery and if the wife wants a divorce God will recognize it for her, not him he committed the sin.
2. Doesn't God forgive sin, including adultery?
Yes he does forgive adultery, but after we repent and are forgiven, the sin has to stop. Just like with premarital sex, a person can ask for forgiveness and be forgiven but they also have to stop having sex until they are married.
3. Would two wrongs make a right by divorcing again?
In this situation, I don't think God would even recognize the second marriage because according to God's law he is bound to his first wife.
How can he stay married to his new wife, and not do the things married people do? (Have sex=Adultery all over again=More repentance. If he stays in the relationship he and the wife would still be committing adultery, the husband is bound to that first wife until she dies.
So either he can stay legally married or legally divorce, either way he shouldn't be having sex with or in a relationship with anyone else.
4. God doesn't say specifically that if you are abused in the marriage that that's grounds for divorce, so what happens when the innocent party of the abusing situation remarries? Are they committing adultery too?
I don't know, but you are right on this one the scriptures don't speak on physical abuse, thank you for pointing that out.
5. What happens when the offending party asks for forgiveness ( to their mate and God) and changes their ways, yet the offended party still pursues the divorce? If they remarry are they adulterers, too?
If the person who cheats repents and changes their ways the only way to know that is if the two stick together and there is no more adultery. If the offended forgives the cheating spouse and still goes for divorce, then the spouse that was cheated on can remarry. If the spouse who cheated gets married again he or she is committing adultery because they are still by God's Law bound to their spouse. If they divorce and decide down the line they want to get married to each other again that is fine.
6. There are MILLIONS of Christian people who have divorced over other issues not abandonment or adultery and have remarried. I just can't fathom God counting them out and not recognizing their new union, especially if they are growing in Christ together.
If they are growing in Christ together that would indicate that they study their Bible and seek God in all matters. Whether we can fathom it or not God's Law is God's Law is God's Law and there is no changing it or making exceptions, we will be held accountable. We have the Bible and scriptures that say what the law is that Christians are to follow so, "I didn't know" isn't gonna get anyone a free pass not even Best of Christians. We have to read our word and consult God First in all we do. Hosea 4:6
tffy2004
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Hey Bublnbrnsuga I found a site that gives specific examples which is what I needed to actually understand the scriptures in the bible about divorce. Here is the link: What the Bible Teach about Divorce
I haven't read them all but am about to.
I haven't read them all but am about to.
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Bublnbrnsuga
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Arrggghhh! I just typed a response and it was deleted. Okay, here's my thought process:
I really think we need to be careful about telling some who may have remarried under circumstances that WE THINK could have been worked out that they may be in adultery bibically.
If I were a remarried woman who didn't divorce under the conditions of adultery or abandonment, but was determined to grow stronger in the Lord, someone telling me that I am adultery would put me in a whole lot of bondage. Heck, what's the point in serving God when you have been told you are going to hell for divorcing on 'non biblical' grounds?
I have read several accounts of people being placed in bondage, desiring to be remarried or are remarried to the point that they left church and Christianity.
The Bible tells us in 1 Timothy 4:1-3 that in the last days, men will forbid those to be married (remarriage is included in this). Also the Bible tells us it's better to marry than to burn with passion. So those who divorced not due to the two ex. in the Bible are not who the Bible speaks of in this scripture? They are excluded? Who would know the joys of sex more than a previously married person?
Tffy2004, I am not trying to make the Bible say what I want it to say at all. We really need to look at the deeper meanings of scripture before we cause someone to lose sight of who's important-Christ.
MrsHouston
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In looking for bible answers, we must follow ONLY the bible and not our own "points of views". Remember, sometime as humans we do not always understand the ways of God...not his word, I mean his WAYS.
Example:
I can't fathom God allowing all those people in the days of Noah to drown who were outside the Ark, but I believe his word that it did happen and that God allowed it to happen and "only saved Noah's family because of their obedience to his word".
It is important for us to follow God's word, no matter what other's in the world are doing.
Also God does forgives sin...all repented sin. Example: If I kill someone and sincerely repent, God will forgive me...however there are consequences to sin like jail time...also if I want to stay "FORGIVEN" I can't continue to kill. That would be putting me back in the sinning position.
HTH, if not PM me.
Example:
I can't fathom God allowing all those people in the days of Noah to drown who were outside the Ark, but I believe his word that it did happen and that God allowed it to happen and "only saved Noah's family because of their obedience to his word".
It is important for us to follow God's word, no matter what other's in the world are doing.
Also God does forgives sin...all repented sin. Example: If I kill someone and sincerely repent, God will forgive me...however there are consequences to sin like jail time...also if I want to stay "FORGIVEN" I can't continue to kill. That would be putting me back in the sinning position.
HTH, if not PM me.
I hate divorce; I do not advocate divorce and neither do I encourage it. I would give all that I could to see a marriage work, than to see it fail. Frankly, I'm tired of broken families and marriages. I'm tired of it!
My Pastor makes it plain, stop your whining and make it work!
However there are exceptions:
On the subject of abuse, the Bible doesn't have to address this verbatim, as it speaks for itsself...it is violence and this is constructive abandonment. For the abuser has 'constructively' made it impossible for the spouse to live in harmony and most important, in safety.
God does not want violence in any relationship; it's defeating the entire purpose of marriage, love and God's plan for life. We are commisioned to love one another and abuse is not love, its satanic and destructive to the spirit, soul and body. God says we are to embrace one another not hit nor speak harshly to wound ones' spirit or soul.
In I Peter 3, the word admonishes husbands to dwell with their wives according to knowledge. Proverbs, Husbands treat your wives as the loving hind; be satisfied at her breasts at all times (caress/nurture her); husbands, love your wives.
My point, no one is going to hell for leaving and divorcing an abuser. And I do not believe that a woman or man would be held accountable in sin, if they remarried. I'd get on my face before God and ask His permission and to have His grace upon me for remarriage and I'd also dedicate my new marriage to Him to keep as the apple of His eye. To God be the glory for a second chance to love and marry.
On adultery, it's case by case and between the individual and God. For now, I don't want to expound upon it. Yet, I do not believe that a divorced person should be condemned if they did remarry. It depends on why they did it and upon their heart towards God.
I can't say what occurred in one's marriage to lead to a divorce which resulted from adultery. Here's the thing, many have had sexual relationships outside of marriage, which begat children, yet have married other than the parent of the children. My point, is that there are so many scenerios and reasons; I can only allow God to be judge and be at His mercy.
My Pastor makes it plain, stop your whining and make it work!
However there are exceptions:
On the subject of abuse, the Bible doesn't have to address this verbatim, as it speaks for itsself...it is violence and this is constructive abandonment. For the abuser has 'constructively' made it impossible for the spouse to live in harmony and most important, in safety.
God does not want violence in any relationship; it's defeating the entire purpose of marriage, love and God's plan for life. We are commisioned to love one another and abuse is not love, its satanic and destructive to the spirit, soul and body. God says we are to embrace one another not hit nor speak harshly to wound ones' spirit or soul.
In I Peter 3, the word admonishes husbands to dwell with their wives according to knowledge. Proverbs, Husbands treat your wives as the loving hind; be satisfied at her breasts at all times (caress/nurture her); husbands, love your wives.
My point, no one is going to hell for leaving and divorcing an abuser. And I do not believe that a woman or man would be held accountable in sin, if they remarried. I'd get on my face before God and ask His permission and to have His grace upon me for remarriage and I'd also dedicate my new marriage to Him to keep as the apple of His eye. To God be the glory for a second chance to love and marry.
On adultery, it's case by case and between the individual and God. For now, I don't want to expound upon it. Yet, I do not believe that a divorced person should be condemned if they did remarry. It depends on why they did it and upon their heart towards God.
I can't say what occurred in one's marriage to lead to a divorce which resulted from adultery. Here's the thing, many have had sexual relationships outside of marriage, which begat children, yet have married other than the parent of the children. My point, is that there are so many scenerios and reasons; I can only allow God to be judge and be at His mercy.
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MrsHouston
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Bublnbrnsuga;2858749]Arrggghhh! I just typed a response and it was deleted. Okay, here's my thought process:
I really think we need to be careful about telling some who may have remarried under circumstances that WE THINK could have been worked out that they may be in adultery bibically.
This is True, they need to decide for themselves what they'll do about their union.
If I were a remarried woman who didn't divorce under the conditions of adultery or abandonment, but was determined to grow stronger in the Lord, someone telling me that I am adultery would put me in a whole lot of bondage. Heck, what's the point in serving God when you have been told you are going to hell for divorcing on 'non biblical' grounds?
I think a believer would want to serve and follow God over being in an ungodly union.
I have read several accounts of people being placed in bondage, desiring to be remarried or are remarried to the point that they left church and Christianity.
I'm not sure about this particular situation, but many do leave the church because of misunderstanding and also because they can't handle the word of God if it goes against their life style.
The Bible tells us in 1 Timothy 4:1-3 that in the last days, men will forbid those to be married (remarriage is included in this).
The bible is speaking about church doctrine here...those who "depart from the faith of God by giving in to false doctrine telling them they can't marry at all. Not re-marriage. Example: The priest in the Catholic Church were forbidden to marry...not sure if this church doctrine as changed recently in light of all the scandals.
Also the Bible tells us it's better to marry than to burn with passion. So those who divorced not due to the two ex. in the Bible are not who the Bible speaks of in this scripture? They are excluded? Who would know the joys of sex more than a previously married person?
Tffy2004, I am not trying to make the Bible say what I want it to say at all. We really need to look at the deeper meanings of scripture before we cause someone to lose sight of who's important-Christ.[/QUOTE] I agree let's speak where the bible speaks and be silent where the bible is silent...meaning what you said, "not making the bible say what we want it too. It is FAR MORE IMPORTANT to help each other along our Christian walk
Also when reading the scriptures we have to take into account the context of what is being said: Who is doing the speaking...is it Paul, Peter, etc....who are they speaking too at the time...to a widow, a sinners, a believer, the church...because these things help us understand.
God Bless you
I really think we need to be careful about telling some who may have remarried under circumstances that WE THINK could have been worked out that they may be in adultery bibically.
This is True, they need to decide for themselves what they'll do about their union.
If I were a remarried woman who didn't divorce under the conditions of adultery or abandonment, but was determined to grow stronger in the Lord, someone telling me that I am adultery would put me in a whole lot of bondage. Heck, what's the point in serving God when you have been told you are going to hell for divorcing on 'non biblical' grounds?
I think a believer would want to serve and follow God over being in an ungodly union.
I have read several accounts of people being placed in bondage, desiring to be remarried or are remarried to the point that they left church and Christianity.
I'm not sure about this particular situation, but many do leave the church because of misunderstanding and also because they can't handle the word of God if it goes against their life style.
The Bible tells us in 1 Timothy 4:1-3 that in the last days, men will forbid those to be married (remarriage is included in this).
The bible is speaking about church doctrine here...those who "depart from the faith of God by giving in to false doctrine telling them they can't marry at all. Not re-marriage. Example: The priest in the Catholic Church were forbidden to marry...not sure if this church doctrine as changed recently in light of all the scandals.
Also the Bible tells us it's better to marry than to burn with passion. So those who divorced not due to the two ex. in the Bible are not who the Bible speaks of in this scripture? They are excluded? Who would know the joys of sex more than a previously married person?
Tffy2004, I am not trying to make the Bible say what I want it to say at all. We really need to look at the deeper meanings of scripture before we cause someone to lose sight of who's important-Christ.[/QUOTE] I agree let's speak where the bible speaks and be silent where the bible is silent...meaning what you said, "not making the bible say what we want it too. It is FAR MORE IMPORTANT to help each other along our Christian walk
Also when reading the scriptures we have to take into account the context of what is being said: Who is doing the speaking...is it Paul, Peter, etc....who are they speaking too at the time...to a widow, a sinners, a believer, the church...because these things help us understand.
God Bless you
MrsHouston
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Well Howdy Neighbor...I heard you all the way across the river..
I'm especially tired of it in the 'Church'. God did not intend this and neither did I. Or you, or any of us who love God.
Blessings on you and your family and marriage Mrs. Houston
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Bublnbrnsuga
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Sweetie, I am following God's Word. I also look to God as being gracious and forgiving for sin,too. Remember, His ways or not our ways, His thoughts are not our thoughts. Also we have to delve into the Word of God and search as to who, what, why, where, and how the scripture is to be intepreted. Hey the Bible says that we should not wear items specifically for a man, but we wear pants/ panties all the day long. There's a deeper significance behind this.
For the longest time, I looked upon those who committed suicide as being destined to hell. Then someone wise said to me, 'how can we say that person is in hell?! Only God know's that person's state of mind and heart before they committed the act.' Same thing with those who STRUGGLE with issues of sexual immorality. I can judge the act, but not the heart, which I am so glad only GOD can judge. We can't even judge our own hearts.
I refuse to place another person in bondage b/c they messed up in their first/second/third marriage by stating that they are continually committing adultery in their second/third/fourth marriage. Seriously, why serve a God like this? What is the person to do? Can't commit fornication, can't get married, but desires (a Godly desire) to be married. God forgave them for their sin, but they are to forever pay for it,not only physically, but spiritually?
Is David ( a man after God's own heart) in heaven, I wonder?
tffy2004
New Member
I started a response last night too but it was deleted
Anyway, I apologize if I made it seem as though I was talking specifically to you when I was making the point of people making scripture say what they want. I was speaking in general, and just saying some people do indeed do that.
Regardless of how we as fleshy humans feel about the situation, God gave us rules when it comes to divorce and we will either follow them or not, thats between that person and God.
I Timothy does indeed speak on people saying not to marry, but as for me personally, I'm not saying whether or not a person can remarry, I'm just going by the word.
2 Timothy 3:16 says that "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness"
As Christians we have to go to the word to see if what we are doing is correct.
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Bublnbrnsuga
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I started a response last night too but it was deleted
Anyway, I apologize if I made it seem as though I was talking specifically to you when I was making the point of people making scripture say what they want. I was speaking in general, and just saying some people do indeed do that.
Regardless of how we as fleshy humans feel about the situation, God gave us rules when it comes to divorce and we will either follow them or not, thats between that person and God.
I Timothy does indeed speak on people saying not to marry, but as for me personally, I'm not saying whether or not a person can remarry, I'm just going by the word.
2 Timothy 3:16 says that "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness"
As Christians we have to go to the word to see if what we are doing is correct.
Oh, I didn't take it personally at all, but scripture has deeper meaning. Just like the scripture if you right hand (or left) causes you to sin, cut it off. Now, if you took that literally
Same with this issue. I have been researching this and to my amazement, it's not all cut and dry as it appears. You have to take into account the motives behind the question when it was presented to Jesus amongst several other things. Also, I think when we are not in the situation ourselves, it's easy to say this is wrong and that's it, but I've noticed that when the tables have turned, research becomes crucial to that individual!!
tffy2004
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Oh, I didn't take it personally at all, but scripture has deeper meaning. Just like the scripture if you right hand (or left) causes you to sin, cut it off. Now, if you took that literally
So very True, but in all we do we have to go back to the bible to see what it says on the matter. Good intentions or not what matters is what God says about it.
Priss Pot
Makeup + Bench Pressing
While I do believe that divorce should be the last resort, I can't help but to wonder why God would condemn the innocent spouse to hell for divorcing (except for reasons of adultery and "un-believer").
So I would be given an automatic one-way ticket to Hell if:
1. My husband ups and decides that he doesn't want to be married anymore. He believes in God, but not our marriage. No he didn't cheat, but he doesn't want to be with me anymore. So because we didn't divorce due to cheating or unbelieving, we're both going to Hell.
2. My husband still believes in God, but he gave me 2 black eyes, broke my arms, fractured my ribs, and kicked me in the stomach which caused me to have a miscarriage...we divorce...we're both going to Hell for that?
3. I just found out that my husband is a drug dealer and is putting our family in danger. He refuses to change his lifestyle. I divorce him. I guess I'll be going to Hell for that too, huh?
4. My husband has a serious gambling problem, and he won't stop. I've tried for years getting him help and going to counseling, but he doesn't want to change. I'm about to get evicted and my children have no food. I divorce him. Am I still going to Hell?
Throughout all of these various scenarios, I can't believe I'd be punished for divorcing. God is supposed to know our hearts, right? But I guess our hearts don't matter; adultery and unbelieving is the only way to get divorced....so what if he just doesn't love me, gives me a black eye, deals drugs, and is about to get us put out on the street
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In the end, I know God has set rules, but I honestly don't think that He's just that narrow-minded. I mean, c'mon now, he IS God ya know?
So I would be given an automatic one-way ticket to Hell if:
1. My husband ups and decides that he doesn't want to be married anymore. He believes in God, but not our marriage. No he didn't cheat, but he doesn't want to be with me anymore. So because we didn't divorce due to cheating or unbelieving, we're both going to Hell.
2. My husband still believes in God, but he gave me 2 black eyes, broke my arms, fractured my ribs, and kicked me in the stomach which caused me to have a miscarriage...we divorce...we're both going to Hell for that?
3. I just found out that my husband is a drug dealer and is putting our family in danger. He refuses to change his lifestyle. I divorce him. I guess I'll be going to Hell for that too, huh?
4. My husband has a serious gambling problem, and he won't stop. I've tried for years getting him help and going to counseling, but he doesn't want to change. I'm about to get evicted and my children have no food. I divorce him. Am I still going to Hell?
Throughout all of these various scenarios, I can't believe I'd be punished for divorcing. God is supposed to know our hearts, right? But I guess our hearts don't matter; adultery and unbelieving is the only way to get divorced....so what if he just doesn't love me, gives me a black eye, deals drugs, and is about to get us put out on the street
.In the end, I know God has set rules, but I honestly don't think that He's just that narrow-minded. I mean, c'mon now, he IS God ya know?
