trying to decide about divorce

There's a blues song that says "I was ready for Mary, Susan, and Jane, when all the time it was Bill who was sleeping with my man." It's like some women could deal more when it's a woman, but NO competition when it's another man.. he DOES have something she doesn't :perplexed

I mean to me cheating is cheating so I can't really explain, but I'm trying to show the other side in a way that maybe you can understand if not agree with what they are saying

:yep: I remember that song.
 
I believe it should be "til death do you part" also, but sometimes it just don't work out that way. I say give it all you got but if your spouse isn't trying to improve on issues that have been brought up time after time after time, it's a wrap. I know someone now who's husband can't stay off of the gambling boat, he spends his entire retirement checks gambling. Should she stay in a situation like that? I don't see just adultery and abuse as the only reasons for divorce.
ITA with all your posts in this thread.`
I used to think the same way like MsDee but I saw my share of unhappy married couples that are just together cause and it's not pretty.
And kids should never be a reason to hold a marriage together,out of all my friends that are from divorced parents none is sorry b/c they said living with unhappy married parents is HELL.
 
No, its not. But I know I felt inadequate when cheated. It may not be the truth but thats what it feels like.

I'm sorry that you were cheated on and felt that way. I was cheated on too, but I felt the only thing I was lacking was a good man.
 
What if he is bisexual but not sleeping with other men? What if he is just attracted to them but being faithful to her?

That was part of the problem. A few months into the marriage, he began to frequent the gay bars and have her come along- he said that he had to be "himself" and after a while, she wasn't having it and left:nono:. It was a sad situation.

Also, I do believe that it's wrong and a deal breaker if the fact of being bi or homosexual is not divulged before someone gets married. If both parties are ok with it, then fine. What goes on in their home is their business alone. But, it's not fair for someone to know that they have those feelings and either keep it secret or state them after marriage.
 
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Homo/Bisexuality is about who you are attracted(gender, not a specific person).

If we heteros can be virgins and still be hetero, how come they cant?

How can we be hetero with no particular person in mind, and they cant?

The notion that bisexual people cant control themselves is extremely absurd.

Yes, these are intriguing questions.

Per your notion, I am not sure how my post would lead you to believe that I was saying the bisexuals couldn't control themselves (or that they were hypersexed, per the other post that noted so). My point went from general (where I mentioned homo, hetero and bi) then went to ask a specific question to the poster I was responding.

Also to clarify, I was not saying that being BI or DL is EXCLUSIVELY adultery, the crux of my point was in this part of the statement: "Sexual relations with ANYBODY ELSE OTHER THAN YOUR SPOUSE (including same-sex or "other" sex beings...and possibly ARTIFICIAL TOOLS?) is still adultery." The word "including" also meant for hetero folk as well.

And "touche" on the point about having a "grip" of your heterosexuality. This was also a point that came up in the classroom discussion. Amongst all that I am thankful for, I'm grateful for being at peace with my hetero self (emphasizing MY situation, not even attempting to speak for anyone else).

Also, despite the ignorance on the planet ON A LOT OF ISSUES, lying and deception that removes a person's CHOICE AND CONSENT is UNACCEPTABLE. In other words, a man or woman who fails to disclose their participation in a same-sex sexual contact/intercourse is WICKED. Adultery itself is wicked, whoever is involved.

With regard to this question: Based on that logic, if a woman is married but is attracted to another man, maybe she saw someone at the mall or at work but she never entertains the idea of involving herself physically or otherwise, does that mean she is cheating?

It's one thing to be attracted...to see a nice-looking man and notice that. We're human beings. We're sensuous beings. It's another thing to entertain and fantasize continually about an individual other than the spouse. There is such a thing as an emotional affair.... And (because my perspective is Christian), this scripture comes to mind:

Matt 5: 27-28"You know the next commandment pretty well, too: 'Don't go to bed with another's spouse.' But don't think you've preserved your virtue simply by staying out of bed. Your heart can be corrupted by lust even quicker than your body. Those leering looks you think nobody notices—they also corrupt. (The Message)

This is my humble attempt to respond so not to leave things hanging on the points I made.
 
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Yes, these are intriguing questions.

Per your notion, I am not sure how my post would lead you to believe that I was saying the bisexuals couldn't control themselves (or that they were hypersexed, per the other post that noted so). My point went from general (where I mentioned homo, hetero and bi) then went to ask a specific question to the poster I was responding.

Also to clarify, I was not saying that being BI or DL is EXCLUSIVELY adultery, the crux of my point was in this part of the statement: "Sexual relations with ANYBODY ELSE OTHER THAN YOUR SPOUSE (including same-sex or "other" sex beings...and possibly ARTIFICIAL TOOLS?) is still adultery." The word "including" also meant for hetero folk as well.

And "touche" on the point about having a "grip" of your heterosexuality. This was also a point that came up in the classroom discussion. Amongst all that I am thankful for, I'm grateful for being at peace with my hetero self (emphasizing MY situation, not even attempting to speak for anyone else).

Also, despite the ignorance on the planet ON A LOT OF ISSUES, lying and deception that removes a person's CHOICE AND CONSENT is UNACCEPTABLE. In other words, a man or woman who fails to disclose their participation in a same-sex sexual contact/intercourse is WICKED. Adultery itself is wicked, whoever is involved.

With regard to this question: Based on that logic, if a woman is married but is attracted to another man, maybe she saw someone at the mall or at work but she never entertains the idea of involving herself physically or otherwise, does that mean she is cheating?

It's one thing to be attracted...to see a nice-looking man and notice that. We're human beings. We're sensuous beings. It's another thing to entertain and fantasize continually about an individual other than the spouse. There is such a thing as an emotional affair.... And (because my perspective is Christian), this scripture comes to mind:

Matt 5: 27-28"You know the next commandment pretty well, too: 'Don't go to bed with another's spouse.' But don't think you've preserved your virtue simply by staying out of bed. Your heart can be corrupted by lust even quicker than your body. Those leering looks you think nobody notices—they also corrupt. (The Message)

This is my humble attempt to respond so not to leave things hanging on the points I made.

I totally agree but your original post implied that if a bisexual woman was married to a man but thought another woman was attractive then she was cheating. I think I better understand what you meant now.
 
the reasons listed in the OP were my 2 reasons.. they guys were basically saying "Not Being Happy Anymore" and I just don't see how that can be the true/valid cause of a divorce

They weren't able to explain it to me; maybe someone here can
I don't think "not happy anymore" is a valid reason to get a divorce. JMO, but I think you need to be willing to work hard to make a marriage work, and no you're not always going to be happy. I recently ended a relationship w/a guy who talked the talk when things were good, but is always AWOL when things were bad. Good riddans. This is the man who would probably divorce me for the reason above. Things aren't going to be rosey all the time. People need to learn that.
 
I believe it should be "til death do you part" also, but sometimes it just don't work out that way. I say give it all you got but if your spouse isn't trying to improve on issues that have been brought up time after time after time, it's a wrap. I know someone now who's husband can't stay off of the gambling boat, he spends his entire retirement checks gambling. Should she stay in a situation like that? I don't see just adultery and abuse as the only reasons for divorce.

That means aside from abuse and adultery there is a third reason: NEGLECT
this is also to me breaking of the marriage vows (care and honor and love)
 
Anything that's a deal breaker and voids the marriage contract:

*adultery
*abuse of me or my kids
*being bi or on the DL (happend to a friend of mine and she left him)
*drug/alchol abuse- wouldn't wait for treatment, I'd just leave
* any other addiction that he's not willing to get treatment for- ex: gambling

It's a lot but I'm just being honest. To me, marriage is sacred and those vows meant something. If someone's going to reneg on them, I'm out.

This would be my reason...but I would still try to work it out even in this situation.

The others I would probably just separate and remain married.
 
This would be my reason...but I would still try to work it out even in this situation.

The others I would probably just separate and remain married.

never heard of this... can you explain why you would just separate and remain married?? would you plan to get back together??
 
MsDee4, separating but remaining married happens a lot more than you may think. Especially for catholic couples because their church does not recognize divorce.

I've heard people do it when they don't want to get divorce either because they feel that they don't have valid reason for it, but cannot stand to stay in the same home,or because they want to work things out but cannot live together while things are worked out. Like in the case of addiction or where they feel unsafe at home.
 
the reasons listed in the OP were my 2 reasons.. they guys were basically saying "Not Being Happy Anymore" and I just don't see how that can be the true/valid cause of a divorce

They weren't able to explain it to me; maybe someone here can


I think not being happy is a valid cause of divorce, I wouldn't want to be in a marriage of 2 strangers, life is just too short for me to not be happy, especially if all alternatives have been exhausted, the vows also say that you are to love honor and care and if that's not happening then what is marriage? Just being together for the sake of being there and miserable as all hell? it really sucks for the kids too, i really know about that
 
ITA with all your posts in this thread.`
I used to think the same way like MsDee but I saw my share of unhappy married couples that are just together cause and it's not pretty.
And kids should never be a reason to hold a marriage together,out of all my friends that are from divorced parents none is sorry b/c they said living with unhappy married parents is HELL.


:thankyou: This is so true coming from someone who grew up in a household like this, i hate when parents get so misguided to think that they should stay in the marriage for the kids. Big mistake! Children are not stupid, they know when 2 people pretty much hate each other or have no emotional attachement to each other anymore, it creates so much stress on the child to have to deal with this because seeing your parents unhappy carries onto the kid. and i know its hard on kids whose parents divorce too but this is just as terrible because it creates an unpleasant and depressing view of marriage. Even before I was a teen i had wished that my parents would divorce so they could be happier people living their own lives.
But let me quit rambling:ohwell:
 
I think not being happy is a valid cause of divorce, I wouldn't want to be in a marriage of 2 strangers, life is just too short for me to not be happy, especially if all alternatives have been exhausted, the vows also say that you are to love honor and care and if that's not happening then what is marriage? Just being together for the sake of being there and miserable as all hell? it really sucks for the kids too, i really know about that

co-signing...:yep:

Its not called a marital institution for nothing.:spinning:.. Growing up, I abhored folks lamenting about how many years they had been together.. It struck me as odd, because the statements were so obviously lacking in vitality, joy... It sounded as if they were speaking of a race or war they had somehow survived... :rolleyes: Just. Sad. IMHO :nono:

I made note and swore never to remain in a lifeless, meaningless, joyless marriage for the sake of appearances, fears, social disgrace or the opinions of others who are not in the 'relationship'

Life's far too short folks !!
 
I don't think "not happy anymore" is a valid reason to get a divorce. JMO, but I think you need to be willing to work hard to make a marriage work, and no you're not always going to be happy. I recently ended a relationship w/a guy who talked the talk when things were good, but is always AWOL when things were bad. Good riddance. This is the man who would probably divorce me for the reason above. Things aren't going to be rosy all the time. People need to learn that.

This is my thinking. I want to marry a man that understands this...the elated feeling of "happiness" isn't going to be there all the time, and as someone else said, marriage can be boring and repetitive sometimes. Shoot, that is a safe and secure relationship, lol. Having a good man will not have all those emotional ups and downs that some women seem to get addicted to.

Anyway, I want my future husband to be able to work through when he is feeling unhappy, or when I am feeling unhappy. My parents have been married for 35 years. I clearly remember a period in their marriage where they were not friends at all. But, it got better. They stuck it through. I'm glad they did; they are best friends and I don't think could really survive w/o each other. Plus I really see what it's like to see a relationship THROUGH.

What is happiness, anyway? I heard/read somewhere that it is an emotion that isn't meant to be felt continuously, somewhat like anger...but you can feel safe and content. Is this what people mean by "happiness?" Contentment?

ETA: @ Jfemme, Ella, and Nikkivale: those examples to me are not people just lacking happiness, they are living a true MISERABLE life, probably in abuse (emotional, verbal). Those are just abusive relationships, pure and simple. To me this is different than someone who up and says, "My man isn't exciting anymore. I am bored; I'm not happy. We should divorce". Huh? :nono:
 
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