To you "So called NATURAL women"

[*Muffin*]

wow really? i don't see the correlation at all. it is very possible to love being black and still love someone who is of another race. i would only see the correlation if she was talking about women who EXCLUSIVELY date white men. that to me says something about how these women view themselves and their people. dating men of all races doesn't mean anything. i'm a natural and i love my kinky hair & brown skin (i love my relaxed hair too lol) but i've never turned down a guy because of his race so yes, i have been with white men. i don't see that as being equivalent to women who "[fall] for a 'Eurocentric' standard of beauty" because i love black men too.

the reason why some naturals say that perming your hair is a way of "falling for a 'eurocentric' standard of beauty" is because there are definitely people (not all) who perm because they have negative views about kinky hair. if that wasn't the case, we wouldn't have the "good" (straight) hair vs. "bad" hair issue in the black community. we wouldn't have women telling each other that they need perms or kids teasing other kids because their hair is "nappy like an african" (the kids used to say that a lot when i was younger-not to me but just in general). kids used to ask each other all the time "when are you going to finally get your perm?" as if getting a perm is a standard part of black life- being natural was something to run away from. there is nothing wrong with grown women (i hate kiddie perms) perming their hair if they want a different look so i agree with you about that (i mean i used to perm and even now, i'd still straighten) but seeing that even children are conditioned to see this chemical process as being a normal process that black women HAVE to go through, i think it is evident that we have image issues in our community. that point is getting lost in these relaxed vs. natural debates. unfortunately natural nazi's go too hard and tend to be too forceful/disrespectful or strict but they do have a point. i personally can't believe this woman is a sociology major though (this is coming from another soc major). not sure where she got her degree but she seems to be very ignorant about social issues, interactions, and ways of thinking.

Not debating your post at all. I think you make a valid point. I really think it all boils down to hypocrisy, on both parties. Some naturals want to point fingers at relaxed heads and call them trying to be "eurocentric" because they chemically straighten their hair, and some relaxed heads like to ridicule naturals for trying to be "eurocentric" if they date or marry someone who's non-black. So one group is trying to be white because they wear their hair reminescent of that of non-blacks, and one group is trying to be white because they are stereotyped as preferring to date/marry non-blacks. It's just so ridiculous. Once again, I say WHY DOES IT EVEN MATTER? I mean, really? It's just HAIR. The madness has to stop somewhere. I'm all for people being proud of who they are and how they look like, but in my honest opinion, one cannot be too happy with themselves if they must resort to hating someone else or a particular attribute about someone else in order to make themselves feel better, and that goes for both relaxed heads and naturals. *Steps down off soapbox* .

 

[JerriBlank]

The notion that all natural haired black women that date other races hate themselves is pure stupidity.

The mess people can relate to shocks me,and she obviously is reacting off of hurt feelings,end of story.

LMBAO@ "wasavi"

 

[Mad Scientist]

No, I didn't miss the point. I agree that her argument wasn't the cleanest, but you had to listen past the dialect: She was responding/ranting in response to someone's comment. That person, whether she was natural or not, had no right to tell her that she'd hang out with her if she get that mess out of her head, (I know that I'd be offended if ANYONE came at me like that, natural or not). When you blatantly say things like that to people with no thought about thier feelings, they get upset and most times, when people get upset, video cameras come up, utube videos get posted and they throw daggers at the only thing they can. In her case it was taking showers and talking white, etc.
She isn't insulting natural women for being natural, she's simply saying, "EVERYTHING is a choice and my choice is no more insane than yours". I'm sure that I didn't say that all natural women are "whatever" as a good amount of my friends and associates are natural and do not judge others, they just worry about their specific choices and that works.

I'm glad this was posted. Maybe it will get us to catch the words that might need to be rephrased in the future..

Have a great Mother's Day!!

Right. I get that and I agree with it. (You say it better than she did lol) But it seemed to me like she was attacking all natural women, and then she just threw that story in there to "prove" her point.

Like I said, if she was making some good points, it'd be cool, but the only thing she was making was an *** of herself.

ETA: I completely agree with what you've said.

 

[belldandy]

that video =
this thread =

 

[Avaya]

Caucasian vocal intonations??? Still trying to figure out what this means.

In short: Sounding like white folks. And sounding like white people does not mean speaking English correctly. It is a sound, a pitch, a tone, an intonation.

If you disagree so be it but 9 out of 10 times I know when I am speaking with a black person verses a white person over the phone because of the difference in the vocal intonations between the races.

Can white people sound like black people? Yes. Can black people sound like white people? Yes. Are people that sound like another race trying to be someone else? Some are most aren't, IMO.

A great deal of my life I've been accused of sounding white. I've finally understood what people meant when I heard a recording of my voice . It is what it is...

 

[DivaD04]

i think folks need to stop giving others their power. it takes entirely too much energy.

ya'll gone close down this thread...smdh....as far as i can see, i understand all the pros and cons here and there....i still think it's rubbish b/c she's doing the exact same thing "they" were doing and honestly, that's what folks like to see....whether or not they can get to you. it's up to the individual to say, "i'm bigger than that, there's more to life than giving up my joy to some straight up bs." some folks just like controversy and/or your reaction. imho

 

[*CherryPie*]

I agree with EVERYTHING she said.

.........she didn't sound ignorant to me.

.........she made a lot of sense to me.

 

[DrC]

Girl where do you find this stuff?? Most of this stuff she is saying is eh--. However

There is a sight on the web about Natural hair (and I will keep the name anonymous so I wont get kicked off) that speaks--oh how shall I say..... some negative things about relaxer and weaves. Now the part about her emulating the afro-centric girl talking white I had to turn it off.

 

[strands.of.gold]

I think that she could have expressed herself in a more coherent way, and she made some pretty silly generalizations/analogies and rambled way too much. However, if she had explained things better and more succinctly (LOL), I probably would've agreed with her.

I'm natural, and I've run across natural women in real life, as well as in here (no offense, but it's true), who are a bit judgmental and overbearing. Some natural women do a little too much, and it can be unnerving at times. I understand the passion for natural hair and lifestyles, but not everyone on the planet thinks about things the same way that we do, and we need to recognize that just as WE had to transition and re-think our hair and our beauty as a part of a larger process, other women have to do the same and it doesn't always come easy, nor at the same time as you.

Despite the fact that her video is masked in some garbage, I think we can all take a little bit away from it and leave her ignorance in the dust because there's truth to what she said.

 

[Honey Bee]

That was funny.

Also, yes, as someone who was continuously teased about 'talking white,' there is a certain... um... 'caucasian tone/ inflection'. Not grammar or vocabulary, inflection. It's a little nasal.

 

[Je Ne Sais Quoi]

I made it to 2mins 29 sec's...

 

[song_of_serenity]

Girl where do you find this stuff?? Most of this stuff she is saying is eh--. However

There is a sight on the web about Natural hair (and I will keep the name anonymous so I wont get kicked off) that speaks--oh how shall I say..... some negative things about relaxer and weaves. Now the part about her emulating the afro-centric girl talking white I had to turn it off.

I know exactly what site you mean and I joined it just to look and see if what people were saying was true.

Man, I saw people get cut down for mess.

 

[likewtr4chklit]

I think it was Niajamerican who said "just because you're learned doesn't mean you're learned" this youtube poster is a perfect example of that. Flush your "sociology" degree down the toilet honey.

 

[drappedup]

I'm sorry, but I'm really not getting the big deal here........so some choose to rock their hair natural and others prefer relaxers/weaves? Why does that cause resentment? Why is one more or less black than the other? I don't get it. It seems like unnecessary, petty, and immature dramatics. I don't know about anyone else off of the internet, but I know I have better things to focus on.....

 

[LongCurlz]

She was very hard to comprehend I couldn't understand what she was trying to say for at least half the video. What I did hear her say that was ridiculous is she says most naturals date white men, was there a poll taken somewhere??

 

[princessnad]

I think her problem starts with her assumption that natural= afrocentric.

It could just mean being comfortable in embracing your genetics. Or a rebellion against societal norms. Anything.

For the latter, it wouldn't be surprising that a natural BW would be open to dating a WM.

 

[belldandy]

i smell trouble afoot....

 

[Aireen]

Her name is Barbie, her hair is fake, her nails are fake, she sounds lost...

LOL, you gave me a good laugh.

 

[MsMwana]

LOL! I made it to 4 mins...

 

[MsMwana]

I'm sorry, but I'm really not getting the big deal here........so some choose to rock their hair natural and others prefer relaxers/weaves? Why does that cause resentment? Why is one more or less black than the other? I don't get it. It seems like unnecessary, petty, and immature dramatics. I don't know about anyone else off of the internet, but I know I have better things to focus on.....

I don't see the big deal either...I'm relaxed, she's natural...so???

 

[CrissieD]

this chick has issues. i still don't understand why i have to be afro centric/black power because i'm natural. i'm natural for the same reason i don't have a lawn, kids or breast implants...they all require too much maintenance.

small minds...small minds.

ZACTLY. You're a girl after my own heart

 

[SexySin985]

The notion that all natural haired black women that date other races hate themselves is pure stupidity.

The mess people can relate to shocks me,and she obviously is reacting off of hurt feelings,end of story.

LMBAO@ "wasavi"

You caught that too, huh?

 

[drappedup]

I don't see the big deal either...I'm relaxed, she's natural...so???

Yeah, exactly.....it just seems like drama for the sake of drama.......completely silly and petty. Do women not all love to take care of their hair one way or another? Who cares if it's different from one another, they're all just different methods to achieve the same goal....nice and healthy hair, whatever that is to the individual.

/shrug

 

[belldandy]

Guys...its just HAIR.

 

[yaya24]

I can't stand when people say "talk white"...
erplexed

 

[Poohbear]

I thought it was funny how the Backyardigans music was playing in the background.

 

[naturalglory041490]

I thought it was funny how the Backyardigans music was playing in the background.

that's my show! Tyrone, Uniqua, Pablo, Tasha, and Austin! My fam lol

 

[Geminigirl]

LOL looks like most of us are barely making it through. When she started "talking white" I clicked the red X. There is nothing I can't stand more then someone trying to tell me I'm not black because of the way I speak.

So what, I didn't have to live in the hood, so what I didn't go to your school. they still treats me like a NEGRA. I'm Black y'all and I'm Black. I'm blackity black and I'm BLACK!!!!!

She's dumb and as soon as she brought that up I was through. And I am natural and I love black men...mmmm black men are so sexy but I am also open minded and love other cultures and would be willing to date outside.

I have noticed that a lot of naturals do enunciate their words properly. So what? she should pick up a dictionary and get to pronouncing instead of feeding into that ignorant mentality that if you speak like you have sense, then your white or better than. TRY AGAIN BARBIE!! Ol raggedy dust mop weave made me mad up in here with that ignorance. Bitter Barbie!

 

[Geminigirl]

that's my show! Tyrone, Uniqua, Pablo, Tasha, and Austin! My fam lol

OMG I swear them names are hilarious. And the Wonder Pets with the yellow chick named MING and the brotha turtle..I forget his name.

 

[naturalglory041490]

OMG I swear them names are hilarious. And the Wonder Pets with the yellow chick named MING and the brotha turtle..I forget his name.

Turtle tuck! Between wonder pets, the backyardigans, and Kai Lan i don't see how I'm ever going to grow up lol