TITHES: on Gross or Net???
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I commend you for giving to those in need, but girlfriend, tithing is the best investment you'll ever make!!! 
I know from experience. It has the best return ever! 
This is the same thing I do as well.
victorious
Relaxed/4A/Fine/Thin/APL
I tithe on the gross because that's the total I earned.
The government taxes, medical insurance premiums, and retirement deductions are all automatic payments from my check.
The government taxes, medical insurance premiums, and retirement deductions are all automatic payments from my check.
InsertCleverNameHere
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angaliquew said:
I agree. Its not like you have a choice to pay taxes. It comes out from the get go so it was never mine to begin with. IMO if you are tithing your refund as well you should be straight anyway.
Besides, if someone is tithing (gross or net) and doing offering, more than likely they are far exceeding 10% anyway.
MomofThreeBoys
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Taxes are payments for services rendered. Just like you pay your telephone bill and get a service in return, your taxes are a bill for services you receive. You are protected by the military, you use gov't roads, you watch tv (public airways) that are controlled by the gov't, you have the use of parks, etc. Taxes is just like another bill it just happens to be taken out at the same time you receive your paycheck.
If you were able to have your telephone bill, mortgage or rent bill, and or any other bill automatically deducted from your paycheck, would you pay tithe only the net still?
Why would taxes be considered any different from these bills?
If you were able to have your telephone bill, mortgage or rent bill, and or any other bill automatically deducted from your paycheck, would you pay tithe only the net still?
Why would taxes be considered any different from these bills?
angaliquew
New Member
natalied said:
I see the point you're trying to make, but just like you stated taxes are another bill, so would you use the money you owe the phone company to pay tithes. Probably not because that is money you owe to that company.
Personally I have not come across any verse in the bible that specifically states what to tithe off of (gross or net) so I think each person has to use wisdom and not get into bondage over this.
If you can tithe off of your gross I feel that is great (you can never give too much to God) but if you can only afford to tithe off of your net, I fill that you will be equally bless because God looks at your heart and not the dollar amount.
MomofThreeBoys
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angaliquew said:
Yes, when you pay tithes on net, this is what you are doing. You pay tithes and then pay your phone bill, rent, groceries, hair care products etc.
It's not about net or gross, its about tithing on your increase. When you get a salary offer, do you get an offer amount with your gross or net? You receive a salary offer with your gross amount.
Also, the government taxes you on your gross b/c that is your increase. Why would tithes be any different?
You must do what the Lord convicts you to do. If the Lord has not convicted you on tithing on gross, that is fine. It doesn't matter to me whether you tithe on gross or net. I used to tithe on net and was very staunch on the issue until the Lord convicted me otherwise. Someone presented the issues to me and then I researched it for myself. I have seen huge difference in my financial situation since tithing on gross! I have more money now than then! Praise God!!
Bottom line is you have to do what the Lord convicts youto do. As long as you are following God's orders, you will be blessed
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Poohbear
Fearfully Wonderfully Made
Thanks for pointing this out to me. I've read through the whole thread before I made a post about my situation. This is the reason why I posted this topic.JuJuBoo said:
Anyway, I did it the opposite way of what others have done. I used to tithe on Gross and I now tithe on Net. When I tithed on Gross, I used to live at home with my parents where I could afford to do this. When I moved out in my own apartment where I had to pay for my own stuff, when I got a better job which took out more taxes/deductions, I started tithing on my Net. I was going by what RealLuvsAoxymoron, angaliquew, and a few others have said who agree with tithing on Net. I felt like I was tithing on what the government takes out of my paycheck and found that I was giving too much than I could afford. I felt like why tithe on the money that I don't get to bring home or that doesn't direct deposit into my account? When I tithe on Net, I didn't feel like I was cheating God out of his money because I'm giving from my heart.
Right now I am unemployed and don't have any earnings to tithe on. Is that okay? Once I get another job and move back home, I think I will start back tithing on Gross. Btw, can you point on what verse in the Bible that says to give your first fruits?
Thanks in advance, JuJuBoo!
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Poohbear
Fearfully Wonderfully Made
I also found this as a commentary for 2 Corinthians 8:10-15 which talks about purpose and principles of tithing:
The Corinthian church had money, and apparently they planned to collect money for the Jerusalem churches "a year ago". Paul challenged them to act on their plans. Four principles of giving emerge here:
1) your willingness to give cheerfully is more important than the amount you give
2) you should strive to fulfill your financial committments
3) if you give to others in need, they will in turn help you when you are in need
4) you should give as a response to Christ, not for anything you can get out of it. How you give reflects your devotion to Christ.
How do you decide how much to give? What about differences in financial resources Christians have? Paul gave the Corinthian church several principles to follow:
1) each person should follow through on previous promises
2) each person should give as much as he is able
3) each person must make up his own mind how much to give
4) each person should give in proportion to what God has given. God gives to us so we can give to others,
Paul says we should give what we have, not what we don't have. Sacrificial giving must be responsible. Paul wants believers to give generously but not to the extent that those who depend on the givers must go without having their basic needs met. Give until it hurts but don't give so that it hurts your family and/or relatives needing your financial support.
I think after I read this commentary over a year ago, it let me to my decision to tithe on net instead of gross. I will still look at more verses on tithing to see what else I discover.
The Corinthian church had money, and apparently they planned to collect money for the Jerusalem churches "a year ago". Paul challenged them to act on their plans. Four principles of giving emerge here:
1) your willingness to give cheerfully is more important than the amount you give
2) you should strive to fulfill your financial committments
3) if you give to others in need, they will in turn help you when you are in need
4) you should give as a response to Christ, not for anything you can get out of it. How you give reflects your devotion to Christ.
How do you decide how much to give? What about differences in financial resources Christians have? Paul gave the Corinthian church several principles to follow:
1) each person should follow through on previous promises
2) each person should give as much as he is able
3) each person must make up his own mind how much to give
4) each person should give in proportion to what God has given. God gives to us so we can give to others,
Paul says we should give what we have, not what we don't have. Sacrificial giving must be responsible. Paul wants believers to give generously but not to the extent that those who depend on the givers must go without having their basic needs met. Give until it hurts but don't give so that it hurts your family and/or relatives needing your financial support.
I think after I read this commentary over a year ago, it let me to my decision to tithe on net instead of gross. I will still look at more verses on tithing to see what else I discover.
Poohbear
Fearfully Wonderfully Made
Here is another scripture about principles of tithing which refers to the widow who gave all she had. It's in Mark 12:41-44 and Luke 21:1-4. Here are some explanations of the scripture:
There were several boxes in the Twmple where money could be placed. Some were for collecting the temple tax from Jewish males; the others were for freewill offerings. These particular collection boxes were probably in the Court of Women.
In the Lord's eyes, this poor widow gave more than all the others put together, although her gift was by far the smallest. The value of a gift is not determined by its amount, but by the spirit in which it is given. A gift given grudgingly or for recognition loses its value. When you give, take heart-gifts of any size are pleasing to God when they are given out of gratitude and generosity.
This widow gave all she had, in stark contrast to the way most of us handle our money. When we consider giving a certain percentage of our income a great accomplishment, we resemble those who gave "of their abundance." Here, jesus is admiring generous and sacrificial giving. As believers, we should consider increasing our giving--whether of money, time, or talents--to a point beyond convenience or safety.
There were several boxes in the Twmple where money could be placed. Some were for collecting the temple tax from Jewish males; the others were for freewill offerings. These particular collection boxes were probably in the Court of Women.
In the Lord's eyes, this poor widow gave more than all the others put together, although her gift was by far the smallest. The value of a gift is not determined by its amount, but by the spirit in which it is given. A gift given grudgingly or for recognition loses its value. When you give, take heart-gifts of any size are pleasing to God when they are given out of gratitude and generosity.
This widow gave all she had, in stark contrast to the way most of us handle our money. When we consider giving a certain percentage of our income a great accomplishment, we resemble those who gave "of their abundance." Here, jesus is admiring generous and sacrificial giving. As believers, we should consider increasing our giving--whether of money, time, or talents--to a point beyond convenience or safety.
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JuJuBoo
Child of THE King!
Exodus 34:26
"You shall bring the very first of the first fruits of your soil into the house of the LORD your God."
this is one of several verses throughout scripture that talk about giving your first fruits to God. We keep seeing the pattern of God always getting the first--the first born, the first fruits, etc...
and historically, a tithe is meant a "tenth" of your earnings.
"You shall bring the very first of the first fruits of your soil into the house of the LORD your God."
this is one of several verses throughout scripture that talk about giving your first fruits to God. We keep seeing the pattern of God always getting the first--the first born, the first fruits, etc...
and historically, a tithe is meant a "tenth" of your earnings.
I tithe on my net and any deductions that I authorize are taking into consideration. The word of GOD is just that and there are many interpetations I believe you should give as the spirit leads you, even when you give an offering you should acknowledge GOD b/c he will direct you in what to give. I have never been convicted in my tithing and GOD has been truly supplying my needs since I have been in the ministry but it is definatly the intention behind your giving that seals the blessing that follows. The word says that GOD loves a cheerful giver!
I also believe that you tithe on every increase
ex. My mom gives me $10, then $1 is added to my tithes it doesnt make a difference and it is automatic.
I also pay tithes on my income tax and yes I get all my fed and state back plus earned income. GOD has been good to me! As he said to martha dont waste your time on trivial things.
I believe that if you put your complete trust in HIM and lean not to your own understanding everything else will fall into place.
Another thing I attend services 3x/week where I give an offering bible study and sunday school where an offering is given(smaller than regular sevices but still an offering).
Do not do something b/c someone else is doing it or it sounds good but pray and search the scrictures and open yourself to receive of the holy spirit.
I also believe that you tithe on every increase
ex. My mom gives me $10, then $1 is added to my tithes it doesnt make a difference and it is automatic.
I also pay tithes on my income tax and yes I get all my fed and state back plus earned income. GOD has been good to me! As he said to martha dont waste your time on trivial things.
I believe that if you put your complete trust in HIM and lean not to your own understanding everything else will fall into place.
Another thing I attend services 3x/week where I give an offering bible study and sunday school where an offering is given(smaller than regular sevices but still an offering).
Do not do something b/c someone else is doing it or it sounds good but pray and search the scrictures and open yourself to receive of the holy spirit.
EbonyEyes
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Guess what the sermon was on this past Sunday
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Generous giving!!
The pastor talked about how when the praise team and the choirs are singing, the congregation is excited and shouting "hallelujah" and "praise the Lord," but as soon as it's time for the offering, the energy just dies. It happens EVERY time at church. It's wierd to me because offering is one of my favorite parts of service.
The pastor also mentioned tithing a little.
But the focal point of the sermon was being a cheerful giver and praying to God about how we are to give back to him what is already his.
When I tithe my net income, I feel so good. I am grateful for how God has blessed me and I cheerfully give. I do not feel convicted because I don't tithe my gross earnings.
Maybe one day, the lord will place it on my heart to tithe gross. Maybe in the future, he would like me to give 15% of my income. But whatever the Lord desires me to do, I will cheerfully do it.
If you tithe gross...great. If you tithe net....great. As long as you are giving cheerfully and NOT under compulsion and because other people say you should do it.
If you are writing your check while mumbling under your breath or thinking "Well, I wanna be blessed by God, so I better write this check" then your heart is not in the right place. I don't care whether you are tithing gross, tithing net, giving 5%, or giving 20%. The heart has to be right for God to be pleased.
II Corinthians 9:7 "Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver."
-Ebony
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Generous giving!!
The pastor talked about how when the praise team and the choirs are singing, the congregation is excited and shouting "hallelujah" and "praise the Lord," but as soon as it's time for the offering, the energy just dies. It happens EVERY time at church. It's wierd to me because offering is one of my favorite parts of service.
The pastor also mentioned tithing a little.
But the focal point of the sermon was being a cheerful giver and praying to God about how we are to give back to him what is already his.
When I tithe my net income, I feel so good. I am grateful for how God has blessed me and I cheerfully give. I do not feel convicted because I don't tithe my gross earnings.
Maybe one day, the lord will place it on my heart to tithe gross. Maybe in the future, he would like me to give 15% of my income. But whatever the Lord desires me to do, I will cheerfully do it.
If you tithe gross...great. If you tithe net....great. As long as you are giving cheerfully and NOT under compulsion and because other people say you should do it.
If you are writing your check while mumbling under your breath or thinking "Well, I wanna be blessed by God, so I better write this check" then your heart is not in the right place. I don't care whether you are tithing gross, tithing net, giving 5%, or giving 20%. The heart has to be right for God to be pleased.
II Corinthians 9:7 "Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver."
-Ebony
angaliquew
New Member
EbonyEyes said:
I think you summed it up nicely
WhipEffectz1
Well-Known Member
natalied said:Yes, when you pay tithes on net, this is what you are doing. You pay tithes and then pay your phone bill, rent, groceries, hair care products etc.
It's not about net or gross, its about tithing on your increase. When you get a salary offer, do you get an offer amount with your gross or net? You receive a salary offer with your gross amount.
Also, the government taxes you on your gross b/c that is your increase. Why would tithes be any different?
You must do what the Lord convicts you to do. If the Lord has not convicted you on tithing on gross, that is fine. It doesn't matter to me whether you tithe on gross or net. I used to tithe on net and was very staunch on the issue until the Lord convicted me otherwise. Someone presented the issues to me and then I researched it for myself. I have seen huge difference in my financial situation since tithing on gross! I have more money now than then! Praise God!!
Bottom line is you have to do what the Lord convicts youto do. As long as you are following God's orders, you will be blessed
Well said!
EbonyEyes
Well-Known Member
Testimony alert!!
My mom and I were having one of our usual discussions on God, how wonderful He is, etc.
She mentioned how there were times when money was really tight (My parents did really well in hiding this from my sister and me). But, she and dad DID NOT stop tithing. Despite their financial difficulties, they still gave God his due and cheerfully did so. Mom says that it was mathematically impossible for them to have made it through those tough times. But God made a way out of no way because of my parent's faithfulness.
FYI, my parents tithe on their gross earnings plus give extra to our church's building fund, and contribute to charities.
-Ebony
My mom and I were having one of our usual discussions on God, how wonderful He is, etc.
She mentioned how there were times when money was really tight (My parents did really well in hiding this from my sister and me). But, she and dad DID NOT stop tithing. Despite their financial difficulties, they still gave God his due and cheerfully did so. Mom says that it was mathematically impossible for them to have made it through those tough times. But God made a way out of no way because of my parent's faithfulness.
FYI, my parents tithe on their gross earnings plus give extra to our church's building fund, and contribute to charities.
-Ebony
