toaster and KiWiStyle -- just curious, I am assuming that you may have tried the towel/bag steam method under your dryer -- how does that compare to results that you get from using the steamer? (Do I really want to shell out $$ for a steamer? No. But the PJ is jonesing and I can tell that I'm about to get one. Hoping that someone will talk me out of it and say it's redundant and/or know of a gadget that will convert the dryer to a steamer.)
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toaster
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rawsilk I honestly never tried the plastic bag method. I got my steamer before I purchased my dryer so I never had the opportunity. I used to deep condition with heat using my hothead or a soft bonnet dryer but I think I get much better results from steaming. I would try the plastic bag method and see if your hair feels better than it does just sitting under the dryer and go from there.
HairPleezeGrow
Natural.MediumFine.3c.
Fiiinnnaaalllyy got my hair braided up. Starting wigging it tomorrow. I will do a set once i take down and dc , and all that good stuff in about a month or so.
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toaster
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I oiled my scalp and length and applied some butter to my hair. Back up in a bun. The It's a 10 Leave in is pretty moisturizing because I haven't felt the need to moisturize my hair yet. I will tomorrow because I'm going to re-set my hair on Monday night anyway.
Didn't make it to Sally's today, but will try to go tomorrow. I'm thinking about getting a paddle brush to help me detangle.
Didn't make it to Sally's today, but will try to go tomorrow. I'm thinking about getting a paddle brush to help me detangle.
Lilmama1011
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I promise as soon as I'm done with my moisturizer I'm going to try it's a 10. I hear it's so moisturizing and has great slip. I don't know how the regular formula works or if it's super heavy because they have a lite one as well
toaster
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Lilmama1011
I'm using this thread as a diary of sorts, but I think one 4 oz bottle will last me a long time. I used three spritzes on 8 sections of hair and it doesn't look like the product went down at all. I was thinking it was a bit expensive but I have to use a lot of my natural leave ins and I pay about $12 for 8 oz of those. If this lasts me the same amount of time, it's worth it for the extra conditioning and slip it has provided thus far.
I'm using this thread as a diary of sorts, but I think one 4 oz bottle will last me a long time. I used three spritzes on 8 sections of hair and it doesn't look like the product went down at all. I was thinking it was a bit expensive but I have to use a lot of my natural leave ins and I pay about $12 for 8 oz of those. If this lasts me the same amount of time, it's worth it for the extra conditioning and slip it has provided thus far.
ElevatedEnergy
Rooted Yet Flowing
rawsilk I have a tabletop Secura steamer that comes with the attachment for steam facials so I think that's the one you are referring to. Believe me when I tell you this....IT WAS WORTH EVERY PENNY. I also use it for my weekly steam facials and it has totally changed the hydration level in my hair and skin. If it broke right now, I would replace it the same day.
I LOVE this thread. Has anyone compiled a list of top-rated leave-ins and setting lotions for roller-sets? I can't figure out how to post a poll (might be my browser) but would do it if I could because looking through 22 pages of posts has me rubbing my eyes.
In the spirit of sharing:
Regular Sets: My tops are Lacio-Lacio (sp), Moroccan Healing Oil and good ole Lotta Body. (& a little Salerm 21 and/or Palmers Coconut Milk depending on if I need protein/moisture and what kind of conditioner I've just used.) With regular sets, my goal is just to straighten without direct heat so hair goes right into a bun. Accordingly, hold isn't a concern - just healthy blingy shine. I use the largest plastic rollers with teeth or mesh rollers since I am not fully relaxed and goal is to straighten. (I think that magnetic rollers are only for relaxed hair - if hair has any kind of texture, it needs more ventilation and a little "pull" - you just have to use end papers so the teeth don't snag your hair.)
Special Sets: If I want to wear hair out, I use medium size plastic pink wave/crimp clamps for cork-screw "natural" look with just MHO and Cantu Shea Butter.
Challenging: I can't do Curlformers even though I have invested $65 in them -- I don't think that I have enough hair (length or thickness) to pull that look off without looking like I am 12 yo. Hope springs eternal though and I am inspired whenever I see a pic of a gorgeous CF set.
Hair Type: I have primarily 3C hair with a smidge or two of 3B in the crown and sides and 4A (maybe even 4B) on right side of nape -- gotta be damage from an old touch-up by a stylist in a rush, otherwise, how do you explain one side?
erplexed I texlax with Hawaiian Silky Mild and, while I think that it, followed by Vitale Revitalizer is the best relaxer I have ever used, I can see where my texture is getting straighter (presumably w/ age and Sweet Almond Oil) so I will probably leave the chems alone going forward and maybe go back to yogurt-hennas to tame when/if necessary.
Why I love (LOVE) Roller Sets: I've been a big fan of roller sets ever since my pre-relaxer days as a teenager. (A while ago.) I have been through it all with my hair (e.g., setbacks, post-weave trauma, stupid coloring, over processing, bad hair cuts, you name it) but I always get it back together when I do weekly roller sets. So if you are new to roller sets and just getting the hang of it, stick to it -- nothing is better for you hair (W&Gs, direct heat, wet bunning, none of that). My theory is that hair "likes" a little indirect heat.
Favorite "Product" in General: Huge fan of Ghee Butter pre-poos and find that they make my roller sets so (SO!) shiny/silky. Oh, and my professional chair-dryer. (The one thing that has made it to every new house, apartment over the years.) I really think that half the battle with roller-setting is staying under the dryer long enough and not justifying letting it dry while you finish the laundry, start cooking etc. - just stay under the dryer. That is so much easier to do when you are totally comfy. I couldn't handle the table-top on the dining room table routine -- I'm too antsy. Pro chair is like best of both worlds -- comfy and enough heat like the salon - albeit in my fav. pajamas, worn-out sweats and slippers.
Hair Goal: Increasing thickness and density all over and length in front -- I have a crazy short 2" X 3" section of front (5 inches shorter than rest of hair!) from where I left out part when I was doing weaves and it is taking forever to grow.
Style Tip: I am at the point now where I don't really care about wearing my hair out and style etc. - I just want my length and thickness back. But ... back in the day when my hair was more relaxed and I wanted to create a blowdried and curling iron look (yes, we're talking the 80s ladies), I would set hair with minimal number of the biggest rollers I could find (grey magnetic w/ snap on' when relaxed, blue mesh w/ pins when less relaxed) and curl ALL hair DOWN from center of crown towards hairline and nape -- exactly like you would use a curling iron. Then back comb for bouncy, layered, "naturally straight w/ just the right amount of body" look. (If your hair is heavy enough, you can do the exact same thing in reverse -- roll ALL hair going UP towards crown but for most people, curls will be too tight looking and/or it won't "flip" properly -- hard to explain.) The reason why people get poufy, helmet, bouffant hair is because they follow the beauty-school - single row down the middle, different direction sides routine - yuck. (IMO, the only way that you can get away with that is if you (a) already have crazy long/thick hair and your parts disappear instantly, (b) use a lot of self-defeating heat or manipulation ala Dominican blow-out to get rid of the parts or (c) you are just going to put it back in a bun and don't care about wearing it out.)
Best Kept Secret: Blast of cold (really cold) air before you take down rollers - preferably from outside in the winter time or in front of the AC in the summer. Seals the cuticle so that you get, you guessed it - bling-bligity shine! (I remember seeing this Dominican lady do this every time we had hair appointments on the same day -- some days she would just stick her head out the door, other times she would go next door for chips/soda but she ALWAYS went outside after dryer stopped before they took out rollers in nothing more than her cape - even when it was cold as he!! outside. I caught on and started doing it and I tell you, it makes a difference.
Maintenance Tips: Right now I just put a scarf on when hair is pulled back in a bun or, at most, do a version of a pineapple set on the rare occasions when I wear it out. But ... if you are trying to maintain the "naturally straight with just the right amount of body" look referenced above (there's no other way to describe it - LOL) and/or if your hair is relaxed straight, I would usually do the following: do not part your hair -- in fact, don't use a comb/brush on it at all after wash day -- at night, just grab sections with your hand, finger comb, swirl into a lose pin curl and cover with a bonnet (not a tight scarf -- the heat overnight will create those dreaded parts). In the AM, tie down with a scarf before you shower -- otherwise, you will get pouf at the roots from humidity; when you are away from the humidity of the shower (I used to actually wait until I was in the car), take out pins, finger comb and go -- if you have too much curl, pull hair up in a high lose pony until you get to work, school, etc.
New on List: SAA (how do you roller-gals incorporate it in your regimes?) and one of the Kerastase conditioners, possibly a leave-in to match. Oh, and its getting hard to resist getting a separate steamer -- my spare room is going to look like a freakin' beauty parlor! Trying to find an Ethiopian salon in Atlanta where I can try it first before investing. (They do the best roller-sets by the way, IMO.)
Hope that's helpful / interesting ladies ... can you tell that I really wanted a daughter or two LOL?! Gotta share and pass along all this "wisdom" somehow.
In the spirit of sharing:
Regular Sets: My tops are Lacio-Lacio (sp), Moroccan Healing Oil and good ole Lotta Body. (& a little Salerm 21 and/or Palmers Coconut Milk depending on if I need protein/moisture and what kind of conditioner I've just used.) With regular sets, my goal is just to straighten without direct heat so hair goes right into a bun. Accordingly, hold isn't a concern - just healthy blingy shine. I use the largest plastic rollers with teeth or mesh rollers since I am not fully relaxed and goal is to straighten. (I think that magnetic rollers are only for relaxed hair - if hair has any kind of texture, it needs more ventilation and a little "pull" - you just have to use end papers so the teeth don't snag your hair.)
Special Sets: If I want to wear hair out, I use medium size plastic pink wave/crimp clamps for cork-screw "natural" look with just MHO and Cantu Shea Butter.
Challenging: I can't do Curlformers even though I have invested $65 in them -- I don't think that I have enough hair (length or thickness) to pull that look off without looking like I am 12 yo. Hope springs eternal though and I am inspired whenever I see a pic of a gorgeous CF set.
Hair Type: I have primarily 3C hair with a smidge or two of 3B in the crown and sides and 4A (maybe even 4B) on right side of nape -- gotta be damage from an old touch-up by a stylist in a rush, otherwise, how do you explain one side?
erplexed I texlax with Hawaiian Silky Mild and, while I think that it, followed by Vitale Revitalizer is the best relaxer I have ever used, I can see where my texture is getting straighter (presumably w/ age and Sweet Almond Oil) so I will probably leave the chems alone going forward and maybe go back to yogurt-hennas to tame when/if necessary.Why I love (LOVE) Roller Sets: I've been a big fan of roller sets ever since my pre-relaxer days as a teenager. (A while ago.) I have been through it all with my hair (e.g., setbacks, post-weave trauma, stupid coloring, over processing, bad hair cuts, you name it) but I always get it back together when I do weekly roller sets. So if you are new to roller sets and just getting the hang of it, stick to it -- nothing is better for you hair (W&Gs, direct heat, wet bunning, none of that). My theory is that hair "likes" a little indirect heat.
Favorite "Product" in General: Huge fan of Ghee Butter pre-poos and find that they make my roller sets so (SO!) shiny/silky. Oh, and my professional chair-dryer. (The one thing that has made it to every new house, apartment over the years.) I really think that half the battle with roller-setting is staying under the dryer long enough and not justifying letting it dry while you finish the laundry, start cooking etc. - just stay under the dryer. That is so much easier to do when you are totally comfy. I couldn't handle the table-top on the dining room table routine -- I'm too antsy. Pro chair is like best of both worlds -- comfy and enough heat like the salon - albeit in my fav. pajamas, worn-out sweats and slippers.
Hair Goal: Increasing thickness and density all over and length in front -- I have a crazy short 2" X 3" section of front (5 inches shorter than rest of hair!) from where I left out part when I was doing weaves and it is taking forever to grow.
Style Tip: I am at the point now where I don't really care about wearing my hair out and style etc. - I just want my length and thickness back. But ... back in the day when my hair was more relaxed and I wanted to create a blowdried and curling iron look (yes, we're talking the 80s ladies), I would set hair with minimal number of the biggest rollers I could find (grey magnetic w/ snap on' when relaxed, blue mesh w/ pins when less relaxed) and curl ALL hair DOWN from center of crown towards hairline and nape -- exactly like you would use a curling iron. Then back comb for bouncy, layered, "naturally straight w/ just the right amount of body" look. (If your hair is heavy enough, you can do the exact same thing in reverse -- roll ALL hair going UP towards crown but for most people, curls will be too tight looking and/or it won't "flip" properly -- hard to explain.) The reason why people get poufy, helmet, bouffant hair is because they follow the beauty-school - single row down the middle, different direction sides routine - yuck. (IMO, the only way that you can get away with that is if you (a) already have crazy long/thick hair and your parts disappear instantly, (b) use a lot of self-defeating heat or manipulation ala Dominican blow-out to get rid of the parts or (c) you are just going to put it back in a bun and don't care about wearing it out.)
Best Kept Secret: Blast of cold (really cold) air before you take down rollers - preferably from outside in the winter time or in front of the AC in the summer. Seals the cuticle so that you get, you guessed it - bling-bligity shine! (I remember seeing this Dominican lady do this every time we had hair appointments on the same day -- some days she would just stick her head out the door, other times she would go next door for chips/soda but she ALWAYS went outside after dryer stopped before they took out rollers in nothing more than her cape - even when it was cold as he!! outside. I caught on and started doing it and I tell you, it makes a difference.
Maintenance Tips: Right now I just put a scarf on when hair is pulled back in a bun or, at most, do a version of a pineapple set on the rare occasions when I wear it out. But ... if you are trying to maintain the "naturally straight with just the right amount of body" look referenced above (there's no other way to describe it - LOL) and/or if your hair is relaxed straight, I would usually do the following: do not part your hair -- in fact, don't use a comb/brush on it at all after wash day -- at night, just grab sections with your hand, finger comb, swirl into a lose pin curl and cover with a bonnet (not a tight scarf -- the heat overnight will create those dreaded parts). In the AM, tie down with a scarf before you shower -- otherwise, you will get pouf at the roots from humidity; when you are away from the humidity of the shower (I used to actually wait until I was in the car), take out pins, finger comb and go -- if you have too much curl, pull hair up in a high lose pony until you get to work, school, etc.
New on List: SAA (how do you roller-gals incorporate it in your regimes?) and one of the Kerastase conditioners, possibly a leave-in to match. Oh, and its getting hard to resist getting a separate steamer -- my spare room is going to look like a freakin' beauty parlor! Trying to find an Ethiopian salon in Atlanta where I can try it first before investing. (They do the best roller-sets by the way, IMO.)
Hope that's helpful / interesting ladies ... can you tell that I really wanted a daughter or two LOL?! Gotta share and pass along all this "wisdom" somehow.
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toaster
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Okay, so I bought some pink magnetic rollers with snaps and some pink bouffant rollers with snaps? The bouffant rollers feel very sturdy but have open space almost like mesh rollers with little pricks on them. I couldn't decide if the pricks would help my hair grip the roller better or rip my hair out. We shall see tomorrow evening.
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Blairx0
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Looking forward to your report
If you use end papers with the ones w/ teeth, you should be fine in terms of avoiding damage. (I never liked results using end papers with magnetic rollers and it's not necessary IMO.)
I don't even know why I was trying to resist -- gonna order one tomorrow. Right now I am just deciding if I am going to do table-top (I HATE sitting with my back to table - no patience) or if I am going to splurge on the one that you can roll behind any chair.
ElevatedEnergy
Rooted Yet Flowing
Went to Sally's and picked up some more pink rollers since my layers have grown out too much in the crown to produce the kind of curl I like using the smaller orange ones. My apologies but I can't remember who was asking about the size/brand I use, so I'm just gonna show all my roller setting sisters. lol Salon Care Extra Large 1 and 3/4 inch Snap on Magnetic Rollers
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Saludable84
Better Late Than Ugly
ElevatedEnergy
Rooted Yet Flowing
Things to do when your kids are wrapped up in video games and hubby is hanging out with his friends watching the game....organize your rollers!!!!!!
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ElevatedEnergy
Rooted Yet Flowing
Saludable84 When I roller set I only use It's a 10 leave in. It's advertised as a leave in, detangler, thermal protectant and I forgot the 7 other things that are included in the 10. lol
Edited to add: When I flat iron: I use the It's a 10 leave in, rollerset then use a dime/nickel size amount of MoroccanOil treatment before I flat iron just to help the comb slide for the comb chase method.
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toaster
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Wanted to post a picture of my reverting curlformers set. On Friday and Saturday I only put a dab of my oil mix and SSI Seyani Butter on my hair and a sulfur pomade on my scalp. Today I used the oil mix, DB Sweet Cocoa Cream, and the SSI butter. I'm redoing my hair tomorrow so I didn't mind adding a water based product. I like for my hair to stay straight but I'd rather have moisturized hair so I can meet my goals. Didn't feel the need to moisturize until today after using the it's a 10 on Thursday to set.
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sexypebbly
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Just set my hair using lottabody for the first time. Hope I have a good hold. Feels weird to spray a liquid than to use a gel. I will see in the morning how it looks
Saludable84
Better Late Than Ugly
So checked out its a 10. Why is it $20. I don't ever remember it being that price before. I skipped on it determined I could find a better price because I don't remember ever seeing that for $20.
Will be setting tonight. Gonna use aphogee green tea and keratin because I relaxed tonight. Hope to post pics tonight.
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Will be setting tonight. Gonna use aphogee green tea and keratin because I relaxed tonight. Hope to post pics tonight.
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toaster
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I'm sitting under my HotHead about to eat dinner. I cowashed (meaning applied conditioner to dry hair, will rinse later) with the It's a 10 conditioner and my oil mix on top. I used my Denman paddle brush for the first time and I 
it. I checked out the hairs in the brush and it was mainly shed hair! I haven't used a brush on my natural hair since everyone stopped using the Tangle Teezer. I didn't have any damage from the Tangle Teezer but I was being cautious.
I'll check out my hair for damage over the next few weeks, but I think I like it. The conditioner is fantastic as well. My problem is that I'm very heavy handed and I don't know about using a $50 conditioner for cowashing, even if I only cowash once a week. We'll see how many uses I get out of the bottle.
it. I checked out the hairs in the brush and it was mainly shed hair! I haven't used a brush on my natural hair since everyone stopped using the Tangle Teezer. I didn't have any damage from the Tangle Teezer but I was being cautious.I'll check out my hair for damage over the next few weeks, but I think I like it. The conditioner is fantastic as well. My problem is that I'm very heavy handed and I don't know about using a $50 conditioner for cowashing, even if I only cowash once a week. We'll see how many uses I get out of the bottle.
ElevatedEnergy
Rooted Yet Flowing
Saludable84 Yeah that sounds about right. I get my 4oz bottle for $17.99 from Target. I only buy it when they have their BOGO free sale on salon products. I know they have the sale in December but I'm not sure the other times of the year. One bottle lasts me about 8 months.
toaster
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Phew! This might be a long post.
1) I don't think my hair has been this detangled in forever! Ha. I was only finger detangling for my curlformers set but I knew I had to use a brush/comb for a "true" roller set. The It's a 10 conditioner and leave-in made my hair super easy to glide through.
2)I used this oldie but goodie website to help with my rolling method. I guess it's just a quadrant? I parted my hair in 8 twists when I was cowashing so my hair was super easy to section off and roll. I used 24 rollers. http://www.long-healthy-hair-advisor.com/roller-set-natural-hair.html
3) Apparently "bouffant" is a size and not the type of roller I used. Woops. These are just Salon Care Snap on Rollers in 1 1/8 inch size. They have the little metal grips and I think they really helped me set my hair. I didn't have to pull and smooth as much as I think you do with magnetic? The hair was pretty easy to position in place. Hopefully they come out easily. I wasn't planning on using clips since they have snaps but there are definitely some areas where the roller is kind of hanging. These rollers have high sides (I think you can see that in the picture) so I'm not sure you CAN use clips with them. Maybe those long pins people use with mesh rollers? http://www.sallybeauty.com/on/deman...roduct-Show?pid=SLNCAR47#cgid=Hair09&start=12
4) This was the only YouTube video I could find where someone actually used similar rollers. I thought it was neat that she actually used the roller to detangle, but I used a comb instead. The rollers I'm using look like they're sturdier than hers. Mine are as hard as magnetic. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m04yVP-ZiDY
5) I wish my Carol's Daughter products had arrived for this set, but maybe next time.
6) I fit sooooo much better under the Pibbs dryer than with the curlformers. I'm hoping I'll be dry in 90 minutes? I'm not so uncomfortable under here so I guess I don't mind.
1) I don't think my hair has been this detangled in forever! Ha. I was only finger detangling for my curlformers set but I knew I had to use a brush/comb for a "true" roller set. The It's a 10 conditioner and leave-in made my hair super easy to glide through.
2)I used this oldie but goodie website to help with my rolling method. I guess it's just a quadrant? I parted my hair in 8 twists when I was cowashing so my hair was super easy to section off and roll. I used 24 rollers. http://www.long-healthy-hair-advisor.com/roller-set-natural-hair.html
3) Apparently "bouffant" is a size and not the type of roller I used. Woops. These are just Salon Care Snap on Rollers in 1 1/8 inch size. They have the little metal grips and I think they really helped me set my hair. I didn't have to pull and smooth as much as I think you do with magnetic? The hair was pretty easy to position in place. Hopefully they come out easily. I wasn't planning on using clips since they have snaps but there are definitely some areas where the roller is kind of hanging. These rollers have high sides (I think you can see that in the picture) so I'm not sure you CAN use clips with them. Maybe those long pins people use with mesh rollers? http://www.sallybeauty.com/on/deman...roduct-Show?pid=SLNCAR47#cgid=Hair09&start=12
4) This was the only YouTube video I could find where someone actually used similar rollers. I thought it was neat that she actually used the roller to detangle, but I used a comb instead. The rollers I'm using look like they're sturdier than hers. Mine are as hard as magnetic. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m04yVP-ZiDY
5) I wish my Carol's Daughter products had arrived for this set, but maybe next time.
6) I fit sooooo much better under the Pibbs dryer than with the curlformers. I'm hoping I'll be dry in 90 minutes? I'm not so uncomfortable under here so I guess I don't mind.
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Saludable84
Better Late Than Ugly
I saw that bottle for $12.99 somewhere. I'm gonna search for it. I swear, these people lurk for forums and blogs and raise the price when something seems like a hit.
I was p-ed off because I really wanted to try it.
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Saludable84
Better Late Than Ugly
toaster
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Phew! All done!
I kind of love it! My "pin curl" attempt will probably be a fail but you don't get better if you don't try. The curlers did not snag my hair at all, you just have to make sure you unroll completely and don't try to pull them out.
I realized the first two rollers I rolled "upwards" and then apparently I forgot and rolled "down" for the other 22. I'll try to remember next time.
I think I'll keep doing these for a bit so I can get better, and then I'll go back and forth between roller sets and curlformers.
Detangling my hair beforehand makes it sooo much easier to style afterwards. I don't know why I though tangled curls would magically become untangled straightened hair once set.
I kind of love it! My "pin curl" attempt will probably be a fail but you don't get better if you don't try. The curlers did not snag my hair at all, you just have to make sure you unroll completely and don't try to pull them out.
I realized the first two rollers I rolled "upwards" and then apparently I forgot and rolled "down" for the other 22. I'll try to remember next time.
I think I'll keep doing these for a bit so I can get better, and then I'll go back and forth between roller sets and curlformers.
Detangling my hair beforehand makes it sooo much easier to style afterwards. I don't know why I though tangled curls would magically become untangled straightened hair once set.
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Makes SUCH a difference.
I have found that if you use it last (i.e., after oil and leave-in) the Lottabody "seals" your hair for set. I also remember (wow, it is amazing what you recall after - cough - 20 years) that if the spray was made fresh with warm water versus cold, got a much better result. I haven't done that in a while (because I forgot) but will do so next wash day. I am pretty sure that we all did this with tap water back in the dorm days but the water is so harsh where I live now, I would probably just add a little heated water from the stove to glass jar, mix and then pour into plastic spray bottle.
Just set my hair using lottabody for the first time. Hope I have a good hold. Feels weird to spray a liquid than to use a gel. I will see in the morning how it looks
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