Had me a good mild relaxer TU 11/04, after 22 weeks of stretching. I did it myself and only lost 15 hairs after such a good stretch. I bought my products and got to work, leaving some wve/curl in my hair since I prefer a thicker, textured, texlaxed look. I do think I will limit my stretches to 18 wks, because my NG was like an untamed wilderness. Next TU will be mid-March 2013.