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Wenbev said:
@MzSwift thank you! That sounds like a modified cherry lola. I always have the liquid aminos on hand since I’m gluten free and can’t use soy sauce.
Girl, your hair is gorg! And at twelve weeks, can’t tell you didn’t just relax!
Thanks for the Korean amino product. I love SK beauty products but never tried hair products. Going to go look this one up.
And I look forward to reading your posts. So informative. It’s good to have a little outlet when you’re at home. I was a SAHM for two years and I swear I lost all social skills and vocabulary.
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Oh my gosh, Yes! I got to work the other day and asked my adult patient if he needed to potty. Smh!
He didn't seem to notice though.
 
Sosoothing said:
From what I'm reading on here I might need to try the Joico K-pak next.
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You're so close yet so far away from me. I would say you could come over and try it out at my house first before buying but DMV traffic does not permit this. LOL. That Joico makes my hair feel so weird but I've been using it as my protein tx for the last few years just to have something easy to throw on. And I'm trying to use up the big bottles I bought.

@sunnieb and @Wenbev are pushing ( :p ) this one to me as a replacement reconstructor for Joico and Motions CPR.

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Redken CAT extreme antisnap reconstructor something-or-another. I'm probably gonna get this from Sally's.


But naaawwww, Sis. THIS is the golden stuff right here. LOL. Imma give it another year before I start preaching sermons. I'll have to pictures too.

Amazon product ASIN B076P5ZR32

https://thebeautyspy.com/products/moremo-water-treatment-miracle-10#description
 
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@MzSwift

How I would have loved for traffic to not be an issue Lol.
I would have definitely come to try it out first. I know you say it makes your hair feel weird, but does it stop your breakage?
I have that issue with Nexxus reconstructor. It leaves my hair entirely too soft. I think in my case I need a different kind of protein most of the time.

Are you using the Moremo strictly before flat ironing, in addition to other proteins?

I recommend the Redken Anti-snap too. I have been using it for months now. I discovered it after googling "anti breakage leave ins".
 
Sosoothing said:
@MzSwift

How I would have loved for traffic to not be an issue Lol.
I would have definitely come to try it out first. I know you say it makes your hair feel weird, but does it stop your breakage?
I have that issue with Nexxus reconstructor. It leaves my hair entirely too soft. I think in my case I need a different kind of protein most of the time.

Are you using the Moremo strictly before flat ironing, in addition to other proteins?

I recommend the Redken Anti-snap too. I have been using it for months now. I discovered it after googling "anti breakage leave ins".
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Dangit, you three!!

OK then yeah, you may like the K-Pak. When I say "weird," I mean that my hair doesn't feel soft but strong. It feels coated and strong and it doesn't seem to improve with any moisturizing DC I use afterwards.
 
MzSwift said:
Dangit, you three!!

OK then yeah, you may like the K-Pak. When I say "weird," I mean that my hair doesn't feel soft but strong. It feels coated and strong and it doesn't seem to improve with any moisturizing DC I use afterwards.
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Magic words to me.
I'm going to definitely try it :)
 
Sosoothing said:
@MzSwift

Are you using the Moremo strictly before flat ironing, and at no other time?
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ETA: I only plan to flat iron after my length check relaxer - so only at the EOTY. I *may* flat iron for a special occasion (funeral or wedding) during my stretch. If I do, I will stick with the DIY amino acid tx because it works on my new growth. I don't use the Moremo tx on my new growth.

I've been using the Moremo as a weekly protein tx since I've received it. However, I plan to use it as my protein after relaxing. I also plan to use it as a shot of protein whenever I'm doing frequent water rinsing/cowashing in order to balance all of the moisture.

I would like to use a reconstructor as my weekly tx and whenever I blow out and before I install a long term PS (3+ weeks). So I'm interested to see how that Redken makes my hair feel.
 
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@Sosoothing

I've been thinking about your shedding/breakage.
I remember you writing a while back (I think) about your hair doing better with shorter stretches. How long have you been stretching your relaxers?

Also, if you're ok using food items, I used to love using plain, FULL FAT yogurt on my hair for protein. I stopped because it was only sold in the big tubs and I don't eat yogurt so it would go to waste. You can also do an egg and oil tx on your hair to strengthen it. That's been used for decades/centuries. No heat. Be sure to rinse with cool water! Lol. Some ladies swear by coffee or tea rinses but I've never tried one. If you have ayurveda powders sitting in your cabinet, some of them are very effective at stopping "hair fall"/shedding and breakage.

Have you changed up the way you style your hair recently? Or maybe your diet? Increase in stress?
 
MzSwift said:
@Sosoothing

I've been thinking about your shedding/breakage.
I remember you writing a while back (I think) about your hair doing better with shorter stretches. How long have you been stretching your relaxers?

Also, if you're ok using food items, I used to love using plain, FULL FAT yogurt on my hair for protein. I stopped because it was only sold in the big tubs and I don't eat yogurt so it would go to waste. You can also do an egg and oil tx on your hair to strengthen it. That's been used for decades/centuries. No heat. Be sure to rinse with cool water! Lol. Some ladies swear by coffee or tea rinses but I've never tried one. If you have ayurveda powders sitting in your cabinet, some of them are very effective at stopping "hair fall"/shedding and breakage.

Have you changed up the way you style your hair recently? Or maybe your diet? Increase in stress?
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My hair generally seems to needs lots of protein. I'm talking using a medium protein weekly type of need.
And I realized this only a few months ago. I'm finally headed to HL as proof. Before my epiphany, I was stuck at BSL. Post partum shedding is what I was dealing with the last time I wrote about my breakage. I got so frustrated, I ended up cutting from WL to BSL. But I'm back at WL again. Luckily, my hair grows fast.

If I'm not wearing a long term protective style like braids, I have to relax any where from 8 to 12 weeks if I don't want to lose hair to lots of breakage.

I have tried using egg treatments. They weren't strong enough. But I'm I'm thinking if I was washing every 3 days I could do egg treatments and that would be strong enough.

My little guy doesn't drink milk so he eats a good amount of yogurt in a week. We have lots in the fridge right now so I'm actually excited about trying it as a protein source.

Also I recently bought several wigs and have been PSing consistently.

Thank you for taking the time to ask about me sis :-)
 
Sosoothing said:
My hair generally seems to needs lots of protein. I'm talking using a medium protein weekly type of need.
And I realized this only a few months ago. I'm finally headed to HL as proof. Before my epiphany, I was stuck at BSL. Post partum shedding is what I was dealing with the last time I wrote about my breakage. I got so frustrated, I ended up cutting from WL to BSL. But I'm back at WL again. Luckily, my hair grows fast.

If I'm not wearing a long term protective style like braids, I have to relax any where from 8 to 12 weeks if I don't want to lose hair to lots of breakage.

I have tried using egg treatments. They weren't strong enough. But I'm I'm thinking if I was washing every 3 days I could do egg treatments and that would be strong enough.

My little guy doesn't drink milk so he eats a good amount of yogurt in a week. We have lots in the fridge right now so I'm actually excited about trying it as a protein source.

Also I recently bought several wigs and have been PSing consistently.

Thank you for taking the time to ask about me sis :)
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If you try it, be sure to use the full fat yogurt instead of low-fat. The low-fat doesn't work very well.
Sounds like you're doing great though! How awesome to be back to WL so quickly after your cut! I see you're over there sitting on beautiful hair. I hope you'll share another pic with us someday. :grinwink: :eyebrows2:
 
Sosoothing said:
From what I'm reading on here I might need to try the Joico K-pak next.
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It smells great
MzSwift said:
If you try it, be sure to use the full fat yogurt instead of low-fat. The low-fat doesn't work very well.
Sounds like you're doing great though! How awesome to be back to WL so quickly after your cut! I see you're over there sitting on beautiful hair. I hope you'll share another pic with us someday. :grinwink: :eyebrows2:
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@Sosoothing im with you on needing lots of protein.took me a long time to realize it. I’d like to suggest when you use egg in your diys, use only the yolk rather than the whites. The protein and oils are in the yolks. The whites are used if you have an oily scalp. I usually put them in the fridge for breakfast the next day or as a facial. I’ve also done the full fat yogurt with an egg and my hair felt very strong. I follow any protein with aphogee balancing conditioner.
 
Sosoothing said:
@MzSwift

I did a yogurt and honey DC. Used about 200mls of whole milk yogurt and added a teaspoon of honey. Kept it in for an hour. I'm really impressed with the results :)
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Yayyyy!! I hope it produces good long term effects for you too!

I may end up going back to mixing my DCs from the kitchen because I can't seem to find an off the shelf reconstructor that makes my hair feel the same way.
 
Wenbev said:
@MzSwift I got the moremo in the mail today and don’t you know I used it already too! It had a warming sensation to it. Did you experience that too?
And my hair feels mad strong tho. I’m going to flat iron today, haven’t done that in a while.
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Yes, it warms! That's why I'm sure to only leave it on for 10 seconds. :lachen:I part my hair down the middle and apply it to one half of my head, rub it in while counting to 10, rinse it out and then do the same on the other side. I do it in the shower and it's so easy. I used it weekly when my hair was loose. I'm in a full PS now so I don't have access to my hair. I love it! And I can't wait to try it as my post-relaxer protein. And it smells good so I'm hoping it'll help with the post relaxer chemical smell. :rolleyes:

I did a more thorough review in the Moremo thread about it. I'll try to find it and paste it here in case anyone is interested.

ETA: Here's the thread.

https://longhaircareforum.com/threads/moremo-water-treatment.845429/

This is my review after my first use:

OK, so I washed my hair in the shower, parted my hair in two halves and applied the Moremo tx. Overall, I liked that my hair felt stronger immediately after applying it. It says to apply to "damaged" hair and my hair is texlaxed so I am always looking for convenient ways to incorporate protein.

Immediate Pros:
-only have to leave on the hair for 10 seconds
-easy to apply in the shower
-hair felt stronger
-smells great
-possible to use in relaxing process to infuse protein back into the strands

Immediate Cons:
-it warms as it is left on and rubbed into the hair. I'm not sure about the science of it all but it definitely makes me want to quickly rinse it out, Lol.
-may not be able to be used during the relaxer/coloring process


I definitely want to use it more consistently before I give a good "review" on it. I am happy enough with how it went and how my hair felt afterwards to continue to use it.
 
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MzSwift said:
Yes, it warms! That's why I'm sure to only leave it on for 10 seconds. :lachen:I part my hair down the middle and apply it to one half of my head, rub it in while counting to 10, rinse it out and then do the same on the other side. I do it in the shower and it's so easy. I used it weekly when my hair was loose. I'm in a full PS now so I don't have access to my hair. I love it! And I can't wait to try it as my post-relaxer protein. And it smells good so I'm hoping it'll help with the post relaxer chemical smell. :rolleyes:

I did a more thorough review in the Moremo thread about it. I'll try to find it and paste it here in case anyone is interested.

ETA: Here's the thread.

https://longhaircareforum.com/threads/moremo-water-treatment.845429/

This is my review after my first use:

OK, so I washed my hair in the shower, parted my hair in two halves and applied the Moremo tx. Overall, I liked that my hair felt stronger immediately after applying it. It says to apply to "damaged" hair and my hair is texlaxed so I am always looking for convenient ways to incorporate protein.

Immediate Pros:
-only have to leave on the hair for 10 seconds
-easy to apply in the shower
-hair felt stronger
-smells great
-possible to use in relaxing process to infuse protein back into the strands

Immediate Cons:
-it warms as it is left on and rubbed into the hair. I'm not sure about the science of it all but it definitely makes me want to quickly rinse it out, Lol.
-may not be able to be used during the relaxer/coloring process


I definitely want to use it more consistently before I give a good "review" on it. I am happy enough with how it went and how my hair felt afterwards to continue to use it.
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Thank you!
Girl when I was massaging and it starting heating up, I was let me wash this stuff out ASAP!!! I do like your method, do one half at a time. I’ll give it a try next week. My hair definitely feels stronger, but I’m still seeing some breakage :(
Because of the heating, I think I’ll stick with the redken cat or the aphogee 2min on relaxer day.
 
Wenbev said:
Thank you!
Girl when I was massaging and it starting heating up, I was let me wash this stuff out ASAP!!! I do like your method, do one half at a time. I’ll give it a try next week. My hair definitely feels stronger, but I’m still seeing some breakage :(
Because of the heating, I think I’ll stick with the redken cat or the aphogee 2min on relaxer day.
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LOL, yeah, I don't know why I'm willing to take a chance at this point in the game by using it after a relaxer but I'm gonna try. I think because it makes my hair feel soft and strong similar to CPR. I considered CPR to be a mild protein and this feels the same.

How did your flat iron turn out? I'm not quite sure what kind of protein this is (lite, mild, strong). Maybe that's why it wasn't strong enough to stop your breakage. Or maybe... did you follow it with moisture? You know how protein can cause the hair to snap off not followed with enough moisture. Just brainstorming. Sorry to hear about your breakage. That's so annoying!
 
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MzSwift said:
LOL, yeah, I don't know why I'm willing to take a chance at this point in the game by using it after a relaxer but I'm gonna try. I think because it makes my hair feel soft and strong similar to CPR. I considered CPR to be a mild protein and this feels the same.

How did your flat iron turn out? I'm not quite sure what kind of protein this is (lite, mild, strong). Maybe that's why it wasn't strong enough to stop your breakage. Or maybe... did you follow it with moisture? You know how protein can cause the hair to snap off not followed with enough moisture. Just brainstorming. Sorry to hear about your breakage. That's so annoying!
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Girl the breakage is annoying AF!!!
I didn’t flat iron until this afternoon, but it came out nice, thanks. First day is always great but bc my strands are so thin, I don’t hold a curl and my hair is flatter. Whatevs.
I love brainstorming! Thank you :bighug:I did follow with silicon mix for 45 min w heat and then apohogee balancing moisturizer. Maybe it wasn’t enough. I literally have a notebook for washdays and relaxer days.
I think it’s my good ole thyroid messing up things bc even my skin has been feeling extra dry and I’m in all this dry desert heat so that’s not helping either
 
Wenbev said:
Girl the breakage is annoying AF!!!
I didn’t flat iron until this afternoon, but it came out nice, thanks. First day is always great but bc my strands are so thin, I don’t hold a curl and my hair is flatter. Whatevs.
I love brainstorming! Thank you :bighug:I did follow with silicon mix for 45 min w heat and then apohogee balancing moisturizer. Maybe it wasn’t enough. I literally have a notebook for washdays and relaxer days.
I think it’s my good ole thyroid messing up things bc even my skin has been feeling extra dry and I’m in all this dry desert heat so that’s not helping either
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Aaaahh, that makes sense. Yeah, thyroid issues are no joke! And I remember when I lived in Vegas, how I had to switch up the lotion I had used all of my life in the midwest to something thicker/heavier. I'd still move back though, because I love the dry heat and no mosquitoes. Lol

For some reason, from my natural days, I associate Silicon Mix with protein. Maybe it's just the Bambu one but I remember ladies warning us to be careful because there are proteins in it and many of the naturals had protein-sensitive hair. They have a moisturizing DC too?

Anyway, if you get desperate enough, please try this and tell me what you think :dork: :

Remember, I don't measure, Lol-

Take 1/2- 1 cup of your favorite moisturizing DC
Add 2-3 Tbsp of EVOO or Grapeseed Oil
Add 1-2 Tbsp of salt (good ole iodized table salt or sea salt)

I stumbled onto salt after I did a henna mask one day as a natural. My hair was dry and rough afterwards even though I cowashed it out. I used my favorite DC. Still dry. I ran to the store to buy 2 different moisturizing DCs. Still dry. I added EVOO and honey to them. Still dry, but oily. Then I stumbled upon a thread about salt and added it to the EVOO and DC. As I was applying it, my hair felt like butter -- no exaggeration. My hair felt like nothing I've ever felt before. And then it remained soft after I rinsed it out. When you add the salt to the DC, it will make it sorta watery/runny. That should've been my first hint. But I was sold after I rinsed it out. For 4-5 years after that, I never did a moisturizing DC without salt especially after protein.

Lately I've been trying all of these shelf products hoping to replicate the results and they don't measure up. I just keep them for when I want to flat iron or in between back to back PSing.
 
@MzSwift salt?! Really!! I’m going to try!!
And yes girl, the no bug situation is the TRUTH!

And yes Ive had the dry, but oily hair, the soft and fluffy but dry hair and it’s not cool. I’ll give that a try maybe mid week and report back.
Thank you!!

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That recipe is going in my hair notebook. :)
 
Sosoothing said:
@MzSwift
That's really interesting. So what about salt's chemical properties helps a moisturizing DC work better?
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I'm up with a sick teenager trying not to fall asleep before he does so I'll try to answer. LOL.

So it's crazy because I'm always super curious about the HOW and WHY of things/people but I really don't recall much about the science of salt in shampoo/condish. I walked away remembering it working kind of like how it's said that too much salt makes a person "retain water." Not only did many hair products at the time included sodium chloride but lots of ladies posted their favorite products and were surprised to see that salt was in the ingredients. The long and short of it is that it should be rinsed out and not left on -- so no using it in leave ins.

So the opening post of a thread in 2009 by a well respected member of the hair board piqued my interest because she's not long winded:

"I don't know how it works, why it works. BUT my naps, kinks and coils have NEVER, in all of my BHM experimentation, been THIS soft, this detangled, EFFORTLESSLY.

This is the first time, the detangling process of this mane took under FIVE MINUTES. I kid you not.

I am your usual skeptic, was concerned about it drying out my hair. So of course I tried finding info first. Not much out there, but there's a 22.00 shampoo with sea salt as it's main ingredient, among others. So, it can't be THAT hazardous.

To really be sure this worked, I put sea salt into a DC I had that was headed for the TRASH because I HATED it so much. It was worthless to me. Not even adding oil to it made any difference. That stupid DC did NOTHING for my hair. In fact I think it made it worse. (You know the PJ thing, wanting to try everything someone likes.) So the salt was added to that DC. I tell you, the choirs of heaven began to sing.



It felt good from the get go, but to give it a true shot, I left the DC in under a plastic cap for a while. I didn't time it. But I went to bake a cake, then returned to shower. I'm guessing it took me just under an hour.

THEN I ATTEMPTED to detangle. Yes, ATTEMPTED. THERE WAS NOTHING to detangle.
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I used the denman through my hair for less than TWO minutes. It's like the brush didn't even know what the hell to do!! That has NEVER happened before. Then I washed it out. I COULD NOT freaking believe how soft my hair was!!! It's like nothing I had ever experienced on any given HAIR DAY. EVER. I did not even use conditioner afterwards. I did not even want to use leave in. That's how good my hair felt.

THIS is a keeper. So whoever you are, wherever you are, THANK YOU FOR SHARING.


And to other skeptics like myself, don't knock it till you've tried it!"


Reading through the thread, I learned that it was inspired by a thread on here but I'm not sure which specific thread. I think it was something about adding salt to bentonite clay.

ETA: So after doing a search on here I learned that @divachyk did a blog post about using salt to counter protein overload. In her post, she mentions how salt breaks down protein bonds. Makes sense to me! LOL

http://adaybyjay.com/correct-protein-overload-hair-salt/
 
@Wenbev
I hope it worked out for you! I would say start with less salt and if you decide to try it again, you can add more bit by bit.

So instead of just water in my homemade braid spray mix for these extensions, I used a watered down Hibiscus/Brahmi/Bhringraj tea as the "water" portion. I used an ayurveda tea in my spray mix before with great results. I used to be so inspired by relaxed ladies like Traycee who used ayurveda as well. The powders definitely improve the appearance of my hair. It's shinier and it looks fuller than it really is whenever I'm consistent with using them. Slipping on my regi contributed to my years in MBL land. I now know the value of having a consistent regi.
 
Ended up relaxing my hair Monday. Finally hit my goal length of Classic yay! I’ll post a picture Here:
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I couldn’t really tell the difference from my avatar length check at first, but after staring at both pictures for like an hour, it’s now to my goal. Finally! I will be cutting my hair towards the end of the year though. Nothing drastic. 2 inches would be great to start evening up my ends.

However the celebration was kind of short lived.

Really big tangles we’re forming at the demarcation line, which is the only reason I was prompted to go ahead and relax.

I’ve had a lot more noticeable breakage since I’ve had my hands all up in hair for about a week now. Tried to cornrow my hair last week, relaxed Monday, and wore it down most of the day today.

I know in retrospect I’m probably freaking out over nothing again. But still. In total I’ve probably lost around 20-25 hairs within the week, but to me, that’s straight unacceptable.

I was in my feels this afternoon, so my husband just sat and listened while I complained. He ended up saying how he understood the struggle. Then we just started talking about hair. Turns out he too has been dealing with breakage on the left side of his head as well.

Right now I’m just trying to come up with a new regimen that involves me stretching my washes for as long as I can. I’m shooting for every 2-3 weeks, but if I can make it to once a month I would be thrilled.

I’ve noticed the longer my hair gets the less and less I can afford to manipulate my hair. If I’m being as strict as possible I still get maybe 1-2 broken hairs every 5 days if my washing cycles line up like that. Again, I think I’m still setting unrealistic goals. In my head I wish to see absolutely no breakage. Ever. But we all know hair doesn’t function like that.

So I went ahead and braided my hair up, took a picture before braiding up that back section, and heavily sealed my hair with Ucuuba Butter cut with Avocado Oil. Not really fond of the greasy feeling myself, but my hair is enjoying the protective coating it now has. So the task at hand currently is to see if I can’t stretch a 2 full weeks of absolutely no washing. I might spritz my scalp with the scalp tonic I have, and pay my roots dry, but that’s it. Hopefully my scalp doesn’t hate me after this.

I’m also going to dwindle down my staple products to 3-4. I’ll still buy products just to test them out and see if I like them, but for my main products I use day in and day out, it’ll be a very very select few.

I think I might want to start some sort of challenge next year. Let me know if you guys are on board to doing one.
 
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