Pastors of L.A. Reality Show

[Prudent1]

I agree on this, I think the word anointing is very much overused. They were calling each other anointed after blatant disrespect. Really. NO disrespect to anyone but I don't see how a 'Bishop" can sleep with a married woman and have a child with the woman and still call himself anointed and filled with the holy spirit, which by the way, no one is filled 24 hours. The holy spirit comes as needed and that is through prayer.
Still love some of his songs http://youtu.be/dhfoYCHz9hY

I do like some of his music too.
Sis, I don't understand what you are saying here? But I would like to.
I believe that the Holy spirit is ever present based on my personal experiences as well as passages like the one below. I would like to hear the opinions of others. @Shimmie @Laela @Nice & wavy @yodie (and others please feel free to comment)

John 14:16-17 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

When something is abiding it is permanent. Or at least that is my understanding...
abide-
v.intr.1. To remain in a place.
2. To continue to be sure or firm; endure. See Synonyms at stay1.
3. To dwell or sojourn.

 

[Prudent1]

that is not what he was saying at all. HE was saying shacking up. In other words that was an not appropriate term for living together and he and his finance did not live together during that time, she lived with her mother. Bishop was very disrespectful and rude to even think he can go there when talking with Dietrick and every one feels like they can make a comment on his relationship when they all should be minding their own business.

You may be absolutely right. I did not see everything in it's entirety. I heard they did live together for 2 years but I do not know these people and am willing to admit that...

 

[mrselle]

1 Thessolonians 5:15 - 23

15 See that none render evil for evil unto any man; but ever follow that which is good, both among yourselves, and to all men.

16 Rejoice evermore.

17 Pray without ceasing.

18 In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.

19 Quench not the Spirit.

20 Despise not prophesyings.

21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.

23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

The bolded is what I thought of when Deitrick was telling the Bishop that there was nothing in the Bible about shacking. Even if they were living together in separate bedrooms and abstaining from sex prior to getting married, the fact that they lived together could be viewed by an onlooker as sin. No ones knows what is going on behind closed doors, but to most people if you have a man and a woman with a child and they are living together....well, most would assume that they are sharing a bed and having sex. Aside from all that, previews for next week shows his fiancee telling one of the wives that she and Deitrick are already married because when a man enters a woman they are considered married. Yeah. I'm glad they got married, but considering the age difference (she is in her 20's and he is in his late 30's/early 40's) I'm willing to bet that it is easy for him to sweet talk her into most things. I'm not buying the whole, "I'm trying to keep him on the straight path." I'm not buying that at all.

 

[yodie]

I do like some of his music too.
Sis, I don't understand what you are saying here? But I would like to.
I believe that the Holy spirit is ever present based on my personal experiences as well as passages like the one below. I would like to hear the opinions of others. @Shimmie @Laela @Nice & wavy @yodie (and others please feel free to comment)

John 14:16-17 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

When something is abiding it is permanent. Or at least that is my understanding...
abide-
v.intr.1. To remain in a place.
2. To continue to be sure or firm; endure. See Synonyms at stay1.
3. To dwell or sojourn.

Great answer. I agree that the Holy Spirit is ever present. God gave us a comforter. That means the Holy Spirit is a gift. When a gift is given, it's given, meaning you have it and it's up to you when, how and how often you want to use your gift. The Holy Spirit is my helper and he lives within me.

So, yes, we are ALWAYS filled with the Spirit once we receive him. The better question is how often do we interact or acknowledge the Holy Spirit? So, it's not that someone isn't ALWAYS filled with the Spirit, but better yet how often do we fellowship, talk to, interact, pray through, or follow the leading or conviction of our wonderful gift - the Holy Spirit.

 

[4HisGlory]

Once you confess, repent, and acknowledge Jesus as the Son of God and that he died for your sins, you receive the Holy Spirit. It is with you at all times. A few verses for reference.

Acts 2:38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Ezekiel 36: 26 - 27 I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. 27 And I will put my Spirit in you and move you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws.
Romans 8:9 You, however, are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ.
Romans 5:5 And hope does not put us to shame, because God’s love has been poured out into our hearts through the Holy Spirit, who has been given to us.
2 Timothy 1:14 - By the Holy Spirit who dwells within us, guard the good deposit entrusted to you.

 

[momi]

that is not what he was saying at all. HE was saying shacking up. In other words that was an not appropriate term for living together and he and his finance did not live together during that time, she lived with her mother. Bishop was very disrespectful and rude to even think he can go there when talking with Dietrick and every one feels like they can make a comment on his relationship when they all should be minding their own business.

What?

If your desire is for everyone to mind their own business then keep "your business" off cable tv.

 

[sweetvi]

What?

If your desire is for everyone to mind their own business then keep "your business" off cable tv.

repost!!!!

 

[momi]

On another forum someone posted Romans 13:13 - stating that "chambering" could also be interpreted as co-habitation.

Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying.

What do you all think?

 

[sweetvi]

I just think that there shouldn`t be any behavior that makes a nonbeliever suspicious, especially as a leader. I keep thinking of Ruth and Boaz. He didn`t shame her or touch her and as a matter of fact, he had her leave before sunrise so people do not think anything negative of her.


nowadays, people sin willingly and say I am saved by grace. SMH

 

[momi]

I just think that there shouldn`t be any behavior that makes a nonbeliever suspicious, especially as a leader. I keep thinking of Ruth and Boaz. He didn`t shame her or touch her and as a matter of fact, he had her leave before sunrise so people do not think anything negative of her.


nowadays, people sin willingly and say I am saved by grace. SMH

Absolutely sweetvi. Scripture is clear on the avoiding all appearance of evil - this is just the first time I've heard Romans 13:3 used to list "specifically" shacking as a sin.

 

[Iwanthealthyhair67]

Deitrick exposed himself, when he was talking to Faye, he asked her how long have you known me she said two years and he agreed, he only got divorced in 2012 last year. Do the math.

 

[Shimmie]

I do like some of his music too.
Sis, I don't understand what you are saying here? But I would like to.
I believe that the Holy spirit is ever present based on my personal experiences as well as passages like the one below. I would like to hear the opinions of others. @Shimmie @Laela @Nice & wavy @yodie (and others please feel free to comment)

John 14:16-17 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

When something is abiding it is permanent. Or at least that is my understanding...
abide-
v.intr.1. To remain in a place.
2. To continue to be sure or firm; endure. See Synonyms at stay1.
3. To dwell or sojourn.

This is correct, because of Jesus, the Holy Spirit is with us at all times. He leads and guides us into all truth. At anytime, we in Christ Jesus will feel the conviction or a 'prick' in our spirits when we are doing something wrong. That's the Holy Spirit "who is always with us".

When we pray, it is the Holy Spirit who strengthens us in prayer.

Prior to Jesus (and the Cross), the men in the Old Testament, the Spirit of the Lord, 'came upon them' as God allowed and as they were yielded.

One may ask, "Well, if the Holy Spirit is always with ''us" then why do people still mess up?"

How many times have we ignored the voice of God? The promptings of the Holy Spirit? Allowed our 'free will' to rule and not yield unto God?

God loves us sooooooooo much. In spite of us... He still chooses to remain beside us and with us... always.

 

[Iwanthealthyhair67]

On another forum someone posted Romans 13:13 - stating that "chambering" could also be interpreted as co-habitation.

Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying.

What do you all think?

Clambering definition ; a couch; by extension, cohabitation; by implication, the male sperm:--bed, chambering, ? conceive.

1. a place for laying down, resting, sleeping in a. a bed, couch 2. the marriage bed a. of adultery 3. cohabitation, whether lawful or unlawful a. sexual intercourse.

Chambering really means in layman's terms shacking up

 

[Shimmie]

Clambering definition ; a couch; by extension, cohabitation; by implication, the male sperm:--bed, chambering, ? conceive.

1. a place for laying down, resting, sleeping in a. a bed, couch 2. the marriage bed a. of adultery 3. cohabitation, whether lawful or unlawful a. sexual intercourse.

Chambering really means in layman's terms shacking up

Wow! God's Word never misses a beat...

An example would be Samson (Judges 16) who dwelled (shacked up) with Delilah in her 'chambers'.

 

[momi]

Iwanthealthyhair67 - thanks for the breakdown!

Shimmie - what a fitting example. You are right - His word is full and complete!

 

[Shimmie]

It was on 'again' when I came home from work as well (Prudent1). I mean, they're showing this as a 'marathon'.

I watched it last night (I missed the first episode).

It's a mess. That's all I have to say for now, at least. It's just a huge mess.

 

[Shimmie]

Iwanthealthyhair67 - thanks for the breakdown!

Shimmie - what a fitting example. You are right - His word is full and complete!

Doesn't Proverbs have something to say about 'chambers' as well? I have to look it up just to make sure.

It seems that it does. I've read so many different Bible translations that it's a wonder if the word chambers didn't appear at least 100 times or more.

 

[songbird8]

i just wanted to pop in and say i am totally lost as to why posters are saying Deitrick is shacking, when he clearly stated that he is not? and was not? Dominique has stated clearly that she has been living at her mothers house. what am i missing here?

i cant say i agree or disagree with this show. honestly, im on the fence. but i do know im all about truth, and the truth of God's word.

 

[disgtgyal]

Chambering is found in the KJV, however mostly every interpretation I've read interprets chambering as sexual immorality/ promiscuity, cohabitation doesn't even fit in the context, but if someone found an actual commentary that says chambering is cohabitation please post a link. I don't agree with dettrick's behavior as a whole but I do agree with him being tired of pastors preaching things that aren't in the bible I was surprised the bishop didn't use the same scripture shun the appearance of evil especially since that's what pastors pull out when they are trying to convince someone a particular action is a sin without the bible explicitly saying so. Yes as a believer you do not want to cause a brother to stumble but where do you draw the line, can I not go to an event that may play secular music because that may appear evil or am I not allowed to dance because someone believes it's inappropriate touching and thus appears evil. Cohabitation isn't a sin, but like many things it can lead to sin, I think you need to know yourself and you SO. I have stayed with my soon to be husband many times for a week at a time and even slept in the same bed and we have never had sex not even inappropriate touching, so I disagree with cohabitation implies sin is being committed.

 

[mensa]

This is an embarrassing mess! How can any true believers that are filled with the Holy Spirit knowingly act and live like this?sad:

 

[blazingthru]

What?

If your desire is for everyone to mind their own business then keep "your business" off cable tv.

Meaning, My personal life is not open for everyone to discuss but we are here to build up Christ Church to save lives, that is what Dietrick was saying but instead folks felt that they can openly come out and talk about his sin, when they have loads of sin out there as well.

When I go before my pastor to get advice it is not for him to throw my sin or what he perceives to be my sin up in my face. Especially if I am not walking in it. Dietrick has said more then once that he was not living with her, she lived with her mother. But because they think he is a young boy they feel they have the right to say anything. He wanted some advice since, The Bishop or whatever his name is, has been married for a long time. However the Bishop never, if you watch, never ever takes the right opportunity to do the right thing. For instance, Dietrick ask him to make the plea, instead he calls his old boys from around the way and make a show out of it, putting their personal business out there for the world and helping them be "saved" yet he never makes the call, instead of him going on with the advice about his marriage and its longevity, which he touched on briefly, he goes after Dietrick, Who has not hidden from his sin, has not denied it. Feels that to be open and let it go is the best way to heal. Which is true, however, doesn't really benefit others to know all of your sins, but since he is out there he put it out there. That doesn't mean it opens the door for others to feel free to ask whatever they want to to him, especially at dinner with his fiance that was so wrong

 

[Shimmie]

Chambering is found in the KJV, however mostly every interpretation I've read interprets chambering as sexual immorality/ promiscuity...

Yes as a believer you do not want to cause a brother to stumble but where do you draw the line.....

Cohabitation isn't a sin, but like many things it can lead to sin.........

I think you need to know yourself and you SO........

I have stayed with my soon to be husband many times for a week at a time and even slept in the same bed and we have never had sex not even inappropriate touching, so I disagree with cohabitation implies sin is being committed.........

Hi

You may not realize it, but you just set yourself up...

 

[momi]

Chambering is found in the KJV, however mostly every interpretation I've read interprets chambering as sexual immorality/ promiscuity, cohabitation doesn't even fit in the context, but if someone found an actual commentary that says chambering is cohabitation please post a link. I don't agree with dettrick's behavior as a whole but I do agree with him being tired of pastors preaching things that aren't in the bible I was surprised the bishop didn't use the same scripture shun the appearance of evil especially since that's what pastors pull out when they are trying to convince someone a particular action is a sin without the bible explicitly saying so. Yes as a believer you do not want to cause a brother to stumble but where do you draw the line, can I not go to an event that may play secular music because that may appear evil or am I not allowed to dance because someone believes it's inappropriate touching and thus appears evil. Cohabitation isn't a sin, but like many things it can lead to sin, I think you need to know yourself and you SO. I have stayed with my soon to be husband many times for a week at a time and even slept in the same bed and we have never had sex not even inappropriate touching, so I disagree with cohabitation implies sin is being committed.

I'm not quite so sure that it isn't a sin per se. Any actions that can cause your brother to stumble are transgressions I believe. Secondly, we are talking about a church leader - leaders are held to a higher standard. If this is the standard he is setting well it just opens the door wide open for those he is supposedly shepherding.

A man/woman of God should be above reproach.

 

[momi]

Meaning, My personal life is not open for everyone to discuss but we are here to build up Christ Church to save lives, that is what Dietrick was saying but instead folks felt that they can openly come out and talk about his sin, when they have loads of sin out there as well.

When I go before my pastor to get advice it is not for him to throw my sin or what he perceives to be my sin up in my face. Especially if I am not walking in it. Dietrick has said more then once that he was not living with her, she lived with her mother. But because they think he is a young boy they feel they have the right to say anything. He wanted some advice since, The Bishop or whatever his name is, has been married for a long time. However the Bishop never, if you watch, never ever takes the right opportunity to do the right thing. For instance, Dietrick ask him to make the plea, instead he calls his old boys from around the way and make a show out of it, putting their personal business out there for the world and helping them be "saved" yet he never makes the call, instead of him going on with the advice about his marriage and its longevity, which he touched on briefly, he goes after Dietrick, Who has not hidden from his sin, has not denied it. Feels that to be open and let it go is the best way to heal. Which is true, however, doesn't really benefit others to know all of your sins, but since he is out there he put it out there. That doesn't mean it opens the door for others to feel free to ask whatever they want to to him, especially at dinner with his fiance that was so wrong

Yeah that definitely put him on the spot and I agree it could have been handled more discretely - but that is the position Deitrick and the rest that signed up for the show put themselves in unfortunately

Oxygen is all about ratings not discipleship.

 

[Shimmie]

I'm not quite so sure that it isn't a sin per se. Any actions that can cause your brother to stumble are transgressions I believe. Secondly, we are talking about a church leader - leaders are held to a higher standard. If this is the standard he is setting well it just opens the door wide open for those he is supposedly shepherding.

A man/woman of God should be above reproach.

Thanks momi... You are quite correct in this.

I don't know folks seem to think that God 'turns' His head and doesn't see us when we're sinning. We may have tried that with our parents, even then it didn't work (my Mom still knew everything we did.... God told her )

A man and woman sleeping (or just lying) in bed together is a 'prelude'; it puts one in the 'position' to go further.

Let's be real. Most 'Humans' will take it as close at they can get to having sex, when they know that they cannot have sex. So even that is 'shacking' or 'chambering', if only for mid-summer night's cat nap.

I don't think that any of these men should be pastors. I'm so sad to say this, because the Black ones are not only shaming the Ministry but also our Black culture. They're the ones being shown with all of the bling, fancy homes and cars, and the White Pastor 'seems' to be living the most humble.

I mean come on... this is not a good nor true representation. Just more to tear down Christians and Black men.

And to those who feel the posts are too harsh in this thread, can you blame us? We do not live that way... not up in here or outside of us. The majority of the Christians in our forum are not like this. We know better and have far more respect for the God we love and serve.

 

[mrselle]

Meaning, My personal life is not open for everyone to discuss but we are here to build up Christ Church to save lives, that is what Dietrick was saying but instead folks felt that they can openly come out and talk about his sin, when they have loads of sin out there as well.

When I go before my pastor to get advice it is not for him to throw my sin or what he perceives to be my sin up in my face. Especially if I am not walking in it. Dietrick has said more then once that he was not living with her, she lived with her mother. But because they think he is a young boy they feel they have the right to say anything. He wanted some advice since, The Bishop or whatever his name is, has been married for a long time. However the Bishop never, if you watch, never ever takes the right opportunity to do the right thing. For instance, Dietrick ask him to make the plea, instead he calls his old boys from around the way and make a show out of it, putting their personal business out there for the world and helping them be "saved" yet he never makes the call, instead of him going on with the advice about his marriage and its longevity, which he touched on briefly, he goes after Dietrick, Who has not hidden from his sin, has not denied it. Feels that to be open and let it go is the best way to heal. Which is true, however, doesn't really benefit others to know all of your sins, but since he is out there he put it out there. That doesn't mean it opens the door for others to feel free to ask whatever they want to to him, especially at dinner with his fiance that was so wrong

I didn't see anything wrong with the Bishop asking that question. The Bishop and his wife weren't counseling them in an official capacity, but I think it was clear that they were wanting to offer some gentle guidance and Deitrick probably picked up on that. Also, I don't know if anyone else felt the same way, but when the Bishop asked if they were shacking I took it as him asking in a round about way if they were having sex. I guess shacking seemed a bit more discreet. The fact that Deitrick blew up at the question speaks volumes. That being said, for some reason I like Deitrick. He could stand some anger management classes, but for some odd reason I think that he is probably a really cool dude.

 

[Shimmie]

Yeah that definitely put him on the spot and I agree it could have been handled more discretely - but that is the position Deitrick and the rest that signed up for the show put themselves in unfortunately

Oxygen is all about ratings not discipleship.

Did you notice the 'edit' to that segment? Dietrick said his 'rebuke' and then it was 'cut' to having a 'happy meal'.

I am on purpose watching next weeks episode. I need to confirm what's up with Dietrick and Dominique. She seems to be a sweet and steady girl. I believe she loves the Lord. I just want to understand her comment in next week's epi about when a man enters a woman that deems them married. The previews are known to be deceiving. I need to see and hear her comment to make a fair account of where her mindset is.

 

[momi]

Thanks momi... You are quite correct in this.

I don't know folks seem to think that God 'turns' His head and doesn't see us when we're sinning. We may have tried that with our parents, even then it didn't work (my Mom still knew everything we did.... God told her )

A man and woman sleeping (or just lying) in bed together is a 'prelude'; it puts one in the 'position' to go further.

Let's be real. Most 'Humans' will take it as close at they can get to having sex, when they know that they cannot have sex. So even that is 'shacking' or 'chambering', if only for mid-summer night's cat nap.

I don't think that any of these men should be pastors. I'm so sad to say this, because the Black ones are not only shaming the Ministry but also our Black culture. They're the ones being shown with all of the bling, fancy homes and cars, and the White Pastor 'seems' to be living the most humble.

I mean come on... this is not a good nor true representation. Just more to tear down Christians and Black men.

And to those who feel the posts are too harsh in this thread, can you blame us? We do not live that way... not up in here or outside of us. The majority of the Christians in our forum are not like this. We know better and have far more respect for the God we love and serve.

Isn't that the truth Shimmie! They choose to profile these "pastors" but there are many who are in fact striving to live an upright life, and I believe you are right. The majority of dedicated followers of Christ are NOT living like this.

 

[momi]

Did you notice the 'edit' to that segment? Dietrick said his 'rebuke' and then it was 'cut' to having a 'happy meal'.

I am on purpose watching next weeks episode. I need to confirm what's up with Dietrick and Dominique. She seems to be a sweet and steady girl. I believe she loves the Lord. I just want to understand her comment in next week's epi about when a man enters a woman that deems them married. The previews are known to be deceiving. I need to see and hear her comment to make a fair account of where her mindset is.

It very well may be "selective editing".

 

[blazingthru]

Gospel Glitter

“If only you believe what I believe, you can have what I have too!” That’s the essence of the message preached by a group of wealthy Pentecostal pastors on a new reality TV show called Preachers of L.A. But when you dust off all the gold and push aside the Rolex watches of these celebrity status church leaders, will you find a true biblical message in this prosperity gospel?

Kate Bowler, an assistant professor of the History of Christianity in the United States at Duke Divinity School and author of Blessed: A History of the American Prosperity Gospel, writes for CNN:

Money. Women. Fame. Church. That's a day in the life of The Preachers of L.A., a new reality show centered on the lives of megachurch pastors of the so-called “prosperity gospel.” The show, which premiers Wednesday night on the Oxygen Network, is a chaotic mix of prayer, "house porn," and neatly orchestrated dust-ups between senior pastors and their “first ladies.” In some ways, the combination of the prosperity gospel with the Real Housewives format is a match made in Oprah-produced heaven. Men of the cloth cruise Southern California in lavish cars weighed down by their gold watches and tiny dogs. [1]

Prosperity theology appears to have biblical support. Doesn’t God promise to give us good health (3 John 1:2) and pour out blessings from heaven (Malachi 3:10) in such abundance that we wouldn’t have enough room in our bank accounts to receive it? This gospel of success is pitched as a simple contract between a believer and God. If you have enough faith, the Lord will reward you … with wealth and health.

But does a celebrity status of spiritual leaders really find support in God’s Word? Do we find genuine prophets and true apostles leaving the synagogue with an entourage that includes gleaming cars and fawning women? Does Paul parade new believers through a luxurious mansion as evidence of how God will change their lives? Isn’t an Olympic-size swimming pool and monogrammed pocket squares a way to help people know the Lord really cares about them?

The problem with the health and wealth gospel is that it does not truly line up with the Bible. There are pieces missing. God does not always prevent His children from suffering and loss. John the Baptist suffered as a martyr at the hand of Herod (Matthew 14:1–12). Paul was plagued with a “thorn in the flesh” to help him avoid exalting himself and his successes (2 Corinthians 12:6–8). “The love of money” is called “the root of all kinds of evil” (1 Timothy 6:10). Christ “became poor” so that we might become “rich” (2 Corinthians 8:9). But such wealth has less to do with gold and more to do with grace (Ephesians 1:7).

God has blessed some people with wealth, but not for the purpose of living in luxury. Their abundance is given in order to help spread the gospel. The Lord has healed many, but some people have suffered as a witness for Jesus. The glitter of the prosperity gospel appeals to many, but when you lift up the thin veneer of this teaching, you find vanity and idolatry … characteristics that are in direct opposition to the Scriptures.


I, therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you to walk worthy
of the calling with which you were called, with all lowliness and
gentleness, with longsuffering, bearing with one another in love,
endeavoring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.
(Ephesians 4:1-3)

However,
if works are done with pride or arrogance, or for the sake of
appearance rather than truth and righteousness, they will cause harm.
They may also produce some good, but the account of the Two Trees in the
Garden of Eden teaches that, in the context of eternity, a mixture of
good and evil is really only evil.