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[nita4]

Re: Henna & Hennalucent

Hi Azul11

, both the Henna and Hennalucent really only require hot water for conditioning or lemon juice & I believe hot water in a mixture 50/50 if you are using a color, I think I read that somewhere in this tread.

If I had to add all that other stuff, I probably wouldn't use. To much work for me

I'm using mine straight.

 

[nita4]

Re: Henna & Hennalucent

Seamist, I'm sorry if this has been asked, but how often do you relax if at all and use hennalucent? I still have my appointment set for next Friday. Was wondering if that was to close for comfort...still haven't made my mind up about the natural thing. I need more outgrowth...and another treatment...4 more weeks ought to really show me.

 

[NAPPtural]

Re: Henna & Hennalucent

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azul11 said:
so wait is the directions for this just to add water but people have been adding gpb and different oils themselves???

God bless you all.

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LOL I was thinking the same thing..I was tempted to go to the store and read from the box...cause I doubt that you will see basic instructions on here from a hennalucent package...but then someone just did a hennalucent and went by the package instructions.

 

[NAPPtural]

Re: Henna & Hennalucent

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nita4 said:
Yep, used it straight

hair isn't dry, stiff or itchy. Actually, I'm having the best braidout day ever. Afterwards I did condition with Humectress and I always use a little PCA moisture retainer and Humectress as leave in's, along with a small amount of jojoba oil for shine and softness and to seal in moisture. I really like to keep things simple.

Honestly, that metallic salt thing has me scared so I'm taking Hennajoy's advice and leaving additives out. I really don't want to experience any set backs.
I also used it this way on my daughter's hair - same results.

If adding the oils and stuffs works for you great. At least you know what you can and cannot add to your mix.

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That is good to hear about your results...

HennaJoy said LESS IS BEST!

 

[Guest]

Re: Henna & Hennalucent

Nita I started using hennalucent to help me transition to natural. The pamphlet says you can use it straight after a relaxer because it is a mild protein treatment. I know Zanna relaxes and uses this. If you saw her photos on the Feature of the Month board, you would see that she has beautiful waistelength hair

I'm confident that you would have no problems using this at all if you choose to relax

This is the only product that contains henna and has my full endorsement, if a person wants to continue to use any chemical service

 

[CynamonKis]

Re: Henna & Hennalucent

Azul below is a post from a while back giving instructions/reasons for adding conditioners/oils &amp; herbs to henna -- to combat the drying effects &amp; to mimic "herbal tame"....

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CICI24 said:
Hey Kasilya!

I'm going to retype what Kasey wrote on the old board and add my two cents to it, so its going to be long.

The Herbal Tame relaxer is made with henna, aloe vera, nettle, cornsilk and sage. About a year ago I was gonna re-order it when it struck me that I could get the ingredients and make it myself. I used neutral henna from Whole Foods market. I bought aloe vera, nettle and cornsilk caps from the vitamin Shoppe. (VShoppe didn't have sage caps so I left them out.) Gold Medal says that you should mix the herbal tame powder with a half culp of hot water and two ounces of their intensive conditioner. The intensive conditioner is basically a creamy protein conditioner with hydrolyzed wheat protein, chammomile, yarrow, and rosemary exract, the standard hair conditioner moisturizers and humectants. I say use any creamy protein conditioner you have. If you can't find the herbs in powder form just use a few spoonfulls of the Nature's Gate brand herbal conditioner or just make some herbal tea with dried herbs and use that as your water. The mixture is going to be green. Make sure that you mix it well and get out all the lumps. Apply it to the length of your hair in small sections. I suggest starting in the middle of your hair to keep the product from dripping all over. It's gonna be messy so make sure you drape a towel over your shoulders. After your entire head is covered, put on a couple of plastic caps a scarf and leave it on for 30 minutes to an hour. If you want to sit under low to medium heat for a few minutes or excercise or do house work. I wouldn't leave it on for longer than an hour. Get in the shower to rinse this out you are probably going to have to rinse for 5 to 10 minutes to get all of the mixture out of your hair. I suggest that you follow this with a heavy moisturizing conditioner. Henna is a protein that has been used in India as to color hair and also to condition the hair. The mixture will not straighten your hair like a relaxer. It tames the hair. It will strengthen your hair and make it more manageable. After a few uses it will be easier to blow dry sraight. Gold medal says use the product twice a month, but if your hair is already in good condition I suggest using it once a month. At the beginning of this year I was giving myself weekly henna treatments and that was just too much. But then i didn't know I should be following it with a moisturizing conditioner.

That is what Kasey wrote

I use the mixture every two weeks I don't use the nettle I really don't think the powdered herbs are even completely necessary because the active ingredient is henna. I will be re-applying it to my hair this Sunday and thereafter I will only do it once a month. The first time I used the mixture I used Gold medals Intensive conditioner and it really did a nice job but the second time I used GPB which is pretty good too. I added 1/4 cup conditioner to the mix and 1/4 cup of oils mostly castor oil and some aloe vera oil. You will probably see the biggest difference on your 2nd or 3rd try that is if your doing it every 2 weeks for the first few weeks or so. Then cut back to monthly treatments. but from the first treatment I noticed that my hair felt stronger, thicker, less tangled and it wasn't as frizzy. The cool thing about henna treatments is that it is not permanent and you can control how loose you want your curls the more often you use it the looser your curls will become, but its not really a dramatic difference its subtle.

I knew a girl who used Gold Medals Herbal Tame relaxer and when she first started using it her hair was barely shoulder length. A year and a half later it was waist length and very her hair was always short prior to using the herbal tame. I guess using the treatments gave her hair the strength it needed to grow and not break. The other thing is she would only wash her hair every 2 weeks or longer. she would wear hear hair pressed on a regular basis and her hair was not damaged at all. I think henna protects the hair shaft. when she would press it looked as though she had a relaxer.
If you want info on herbal tame go to www.goldmedalhair.com
If you have any more questions let me know.

CICI

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[HennaJoy]

Re: Henna & Hennalucent

Hi Nita4,

I am glad that you got such good results. Hennalucent already has a lot of stuff added to it. 100% natural henna powder is just that, natural henna powder.

You don't have to worry about a 100% natural henna powder reacting in your hair in any negative way any more than you would have to worry about Hennalucent if it contains 100% natural henna powder. It is great to use the product in its original form without any thing additional just for the purpose of knowing what it will do alone. If you get the great results that you desired and your hair turns out lovely, then you have saved both money and time. In my way of thinking, that is money and time you can use to do something else lovely for your lovely self. Efficiency in the use of products can only be a good thing because it allows you to know exactly what a specific product will do on its own. Then if you find it needs a little help to get your hair looking and managing as you wish, there is nothing wrong with giving it the help it needs. And even then I would suggest adding "extras" one at a time so that you know exactly what each is doing.

HennaJoy

 

[nita4]

Re: Henna & Hennalucent

It sure does HennaJoy and I was wondering what all that "other stuff" was. It actually made me a little uneasy.

Anyway, the product worked well, but because of all the other stuff in it I would be apprehensive about adding anything else.

Okay, I know we have talked about this and I think I'm finally getting you on the "natural" henna. I ordered neutral from Mountain Rose Herbs and even though they said it 100% lawsonia inermis, I doubt them. I think it's probably something else packaged as neutral henna. In checking that Cedarvale site you mentioned - yes, it cheaper, but it's packaged as Lyzitus Spina Christi. What the heck is that??? I should have read more closely because I assumed that neutral was natural and it isn't.

Will switch as soon as I use this other stuff up. I Can't wait to see what "natural" henna does!!

Come on ladies any more updates. I want information!! Success stories.

 

[HennaJoy]

Re: Henna & Hennalucent

Hi Nita4,

Yep...the only thing that can be known for sure when most of these sites are selling something as neutral henna, is that it is not going to be lawsonia inermis regardless. And now here is another one to put under the "neutral henna" umbrella. It would be so less crazy making if it was just called by the Latin name. Especially since the same sites seem to change from time to time exactly what they are selling as "neutral henna." And they are not wrong in calling it "neutral henna" if they would just let you know what it really is so folks could make a distinction between "neutral"..."red"..."natural"..."black"...etc. On a bright note though, I am noticing some sites are identifying it by its Latin name as well as referring to it as "neutral henna." There is certainly a long history benefits from the various things referred to as neutral henna. So far I've seen about three plant families that these are coming from and I know there has to be more. Because there are these variety of plants that can produce the outcomes on hair that the various neutral hennas produce, makes me suspect that there has to be plants growing in the U.S. that could do similar things to hair as the various plants being referred to as neutral hennas.

HennaJoy

 

[nita4]

Re: Henna & Hennalucent

Hi HennaJoy

I've only used the Hennalucent so far and I think I'm going to order the natural henna and toss this other stuff and chalk it up as a lessoned learned. I will remember to do a harvest test first. I was thinking that I don't want to use this other stuff on my baby's hair or my own if it's not natural henna. I know you mentioned that these herbs "could" possibly have some of the same affects as the Henna, but that isn't a given. It's just not worth it in my opinion. Thanks for all your valuable advice and for introducing me to Henna.

 

[Hairyette]

Re: Henna & Hennalucent

HennaJoy,

Adding one thing at a time...what a concept I have yet to grasp!

Lotus Powder Report: For my 1st treatment I used half of the packet mixed with only hot water.......
I found that my paste was gritty and hard to apply..even when I added more water. I found that the little "particles" snagged in my hair as I tried to spread the paste. I left the paste on for a long time (overnight). I rinsed/shampood/conditioned and let my hair air dry. I noticed ALOT of dryness afterwards.

I didn't post my results immediately because I wanted to examine if I had done anything that might have attributed to the dryness. Like, just before the Lotus powder treatment, I did the coconut/lime juice thing and my hair was SOOO moisturized and my curls were so relaxed, I thought with the Lotus Powder I'm going to be in another hair type category(then I remembered that the Lotus Powder is more for conditioning, not texturizing...). I also noticed that I used regular tap water (I normally use distilled water...but I was out), so maybe those two things contributed to the dryness. I tried the Lotus Powder again, this time using distilled water and adding my potions (essential/natural oils) and got better results. Any ideas, suggestions would be appreciated....

Henna Powder Report: Because of the dryness I experienced with the Lotus Powder I was too chicken to try the henna powder "straight" (I'll do that next time...or use WAY less of my usual potions).

I must admit, I am very impressed with the Henna Powder...my thick, course hair fell over, was tamed....just applying the paste (I added too much stuff...it was too runny). I also used a hair "steamer" for 30 mins and left the paste on for only an hour. It felt real slick and my curls were relaxed(like a chemical)...I'd say to 3a (I'm 4a/b natural) definite "S" curl action going on....I rinsed and I could tell my hair was "toned" and VERY shiney with loose "S" curls everywhere. I flat ironed (ceramic)a few pieces and it looked real shiney and healthy. I am eager to try the henna solo or with one "add in" at a time to see for sure what's needed/not needed.

I'm waiting for my digital camera to arrive so I can start an album to track my progress. I also need to start keeping track of what I'm adding to my paste and tracking my results better. All in all, I am very pleased with the Black Henna.

 

[sassygirl125]

Re: Henna & Hennalucent

Same here. I din't notice any "kink loosening" effect after my lotus powder treatment, but my hair does feel strong and conditioned. Next time I plan to use it straight--no extra ingredients.

I haven't tried the henna yet because I still have quite a bit of relaxed hair on my head...

 

[Hairyette]

Re: Henna & Hennalucent

Hey Sassy!

I was waiting for you and Curly to post your results the week before last.(I finally saw your results on another thread..). I wanted to see if you guys used it "straight" or w/add ins. Be sure to post your results when you try the Lotus Powder straight.

Thanks!

 

[Mahalialee4]

Re: Henna & Hennalucent

This obviously confirms the points that HennaJoy was persistent in making. Obviously she knows her stuff re: Henna and Lotus Powder. This could save us a lot of grief.

I personally do not think it wise to be doing all these different treatments back to back and randomly slapping one thing on top of another, if you want to experience and record the exact results that you got from each and different applications, and I think that there is the possibility of product buildup of anything when you are doing a hodge podge of things with a variety of products. For example, if I am experimenting with natural products (as in Straightening the Hair Naturally) I do not mix it up with the time frames that I am doing the Henna, and I will be doing the "real Lotus powder" amd seeing how it stands on it's own. At some point I will be eliminating some things from regular use and perhaps just use them as part of a deep conditioner, once a month to stretch out the henna or the lotus powder. It depends on where my hair texture is at the time. I have been using Henna for two years and have a good idea what it can do for me. On me the henna effects and color last for at least 3 months, and longer if I use only herbal powders to shampoo with. Now I am ready for the Lotus. Bring it on!

If something was a problem, how would you isolate the problem, when you are not being discriminate? I would suggest, that if you are trying out the Henna, do it over a period of time: Once you have it down, then try the next thing and see what's up with that. And by all means keep a hair diary.

Bonjour.

 

[HennaJoy]

Re: Henna & Hennalucent

Hi Hairyette,

LOL...I don't know what happened with the lotus powder that it snagged your hair...my first thought is waaaaaaaaay too little water. Sounds like you had the henna paste at the consistency the lotus powder should have been and the lotus powder at the consistency the henna powder should have been.

Lotus Powder suggestions:

Mix the lotus powder into a paste and apply to your hair. Add more water or herbal infusion on your hair and work the lotus powder through thorough. Unlike henna, the lotus powder paste needs to be thin and not thick to be worked through your hair. The lotus powder is going to deep condition your hair. It however is still going to require that you use a conditioner to moisturize afterwards. It still requires the same one/two punch I suggest for henna...deep conditioner followed by moisturizer on wet hair.

I am so agreeing with Mahalialee who is agreeing with me so we are agreeing with each other...lol...that it is hard to know exactly what had what effect. That harvest hair test is a way to know what the outcome is going to be without risking all of your hair. Especially with the back to back processes and products.

Lots of folks are adding the moisturizers and conditioners to the lotus powder in addition to the herbal infusion or water to thin it out. As I have said before, the additions of conditioners and oils appears to works well with the lotus powder. Because you are not looking for coloring with the lotus powder, adding your moisturizing conditioners or oils to it can't prevent it from doing its job and it won't prevent the moisturizers from doing their job. After rinsing out thoroughly, still put in a rub in or rinse in moisturizing conditioner. I would love to know your outcome with the lotus powder and moisturizer with your steamer.

After the henna paste is on your hair under a plastic cap, you could experience some running. That is typically handled by putting some tissue around the edges of the cap. My imagining is that with the steamer, that running effect would be increased. So I am not sure if the running you got was from what you put into the henna or just the fact that that happens and would happen more as a result of the steamer.

I had been wondering if the steamer might effect the coloring capacity of the henna. Did you get good coloring? If so that answers my question and is good information for others wanting to use henna with their steamer. If the coloring is not effected negatively by the additional moisture, then it is probably being effected positively by the additional heat...since heat is something that henna loves. That sounds like a winning combination to me.

These are my additional thoughts. A good deep conditoning once a month with henna supported with a lotus powder treatment within 2 weeks is how I use these. The lotus powder rinse I use on my hair during the week is 1 1/2 spoons of lotus powder diluted with an herbal infusion and then diluted again. These are supported with oils for moisturizing. That is it. Nothing else.

You might want to look at the number of products that you are using that are each providing the deep conditioning for the purpose of strengthening and nourishing the hair and scalp and determine for yourself what is enough and what is too much. Your hair is going to give you the clues. I suggest if you are adding the lotus powder and henna, and have been using other products to deep condition previously, that as you add items to your regime you allow the added items to replace other items. That way you keep the deep conditioning as part of your regime without over doing it for your hair. That dryness would indicate to me that the need of the hair was more for a moisturizing oil/cream etc at that time rather than for more deep conditioning for strength and body etc.

If what you give your hair is what it needs, it is going to thrive and show the signs that reflect that. If what it is given is other than what it needs, it is going to do the opposite. You want to find the right balance between the deep conditioners and the moisturizering oils, creams, butters etc., and their effect on your hair that creates what constitutes healthy hair for you.

Henna and lotus powder are not going to straighten hair. If when healthy your hair is straight and falls, henna and lotus powder will help it to do that. If however when healthy your hair is curly and stands up, henna and lotus powder will help it to do that. It loosens the curl pattern some but won't straighten the hair.

While you experience some loosing of the curl pattern, they are not going to straighten the hair.

HennaJoy

 

[nita4]

Re: Henna & Hennalucent

Hi Hairyette

Question: Did your hair feel dry or strengtened? The reason I ask is I did a harvest test with a neutral Henna overnight.

The next day when I rinsed the hair it felt strong, kind of dry, but strong like the porousness(sp) was gone. Henna supposdly coats the hair shaft - correct? Does that make since? My hair is texturized and it snaps easily when wet and handled. I believe the Henna will condition better then my regular protein conditioner. I actually stretched the hair between my fingers and it didn't snap easily. So, maybe that dry feeling that you have is actually the strengthening(sp) of your strands?? Just a thought.

 

[UmSumayyah]

Hooray for Hennalucent!

Just did a hennalucent today in Gleaming Ebony. Now I have shiny, jet-black, well-conditioned hair. (masha'allah). I looove this stuff and am going to add it to my regime. Just have to decide if I'm going to do it once every 4 weeks or once every six weeks. Probably every 6 because it is a little involved....
(off now to clean my bathroom...

)

 

[Guest]

Re: Hooray for Hennalucent!

UmSumayyah I'm glad it worked out great for you! I think it is a wonderful product as well

 

[karezone]

Re: Hooray for Hennalucent!

I need some info. I am giving up "cones" and "cons" because they are bad but I must have shine. Can neutral henna be used on hair with bleached highlight? The red color that was their was removed by my relaxer 2 months ago. What I have left now, is like light brownish, gold looking highlights.

 

[Guest]

Re: Hooray for Hennalucent!

Hi Karezone

I can only vouch for the hennalucent brand because I know that it works well on chemically serviced hair. I had a relaxer and transitioned using the hennalucent in neutral with absolutely no problems at all. Also, I dye my hair and have had no problems whatsoever using it.

The package says it can be used with hair that has been chemically serviced. And based on the posts of those who are transitioning from relaxers to natural and those who also dye their hair, this product has gotten a real positive response. I highly recommend it

 

[Hairyette]

Re: Henna & Hennalucent

HennaJoy:

The coloring action I got was EXCELLENT! In fact, I even noticed some blue highlights (could that be the Indigo in the black henna??). Thanks for your suggestions about correcting the consistancy of my Lotus Powder paste. I wish I had two heads so I could experiment twice as much LOL!

Nita4: The dryness I experienced was after using the Lotus powder. I had no dryness after using the Henna powder. After using the Henna my hair does feel stronger and doesn't break as easily (more elasticity).

Mahailalie4(sp): You're right about all the extra ingredients. Testing hair concoctions is like testing a computer program....one condition/criteria (ingredient) at a time...This weekend it's henna w/distilled water and henna w/lime juice applied to different sections of my hair.

Thanks Ladies!

 

[Mahalialee4]

Re: Hooray for Hennalucent!

HennaJoy: I am curious: How long can we expect the Indigo to stay in the hair and keep it black? Does it gradually fade out like the henna or does it keep the henna from fading out and can it last for 3-4 months in intensity? The next time you use it, do you only do the new growth or do you repeatedly do the henna indigo thing every 3-4 months? If you are using it to cover gray, how often can you use it just on the gray areas, and is there any problem with a little overlapping? Can you do the natural no color henna conditioning on top of the henna indigo in between or is it better to just use the lotus powder? Thanks a bunch !

Bonjour.

 

[Mahalialee4]

Re: Henna & Hennalucent

HAIRYETTE? Did you do the blue black thing?????? Exactly what colors did you use?
HennaJoy: Do you have to use the natural (red) henna plus indigo to get blue black? What is the very best color combo to get this effect? Thanks for the replies ladies? Bonjour.

 

[Hairyette]

Re: Henna & Hennalucent

Mahalialee4,

No, didn't do the blue/black thing...just noticed a blue sheen to my hair after using the black henna. Just wondered if Indigo was one of the herbs in the black henna.

Thanks

 

[Cook52]

Re: I HAVE A QUESTION????????????????

Hi, HennaJoy - please tell me where to purchase the Lotus Powder. I've just taken my hair out of double-strand twist extentions and I don't know why, but it feels so dry and so brittle. I deep conditioned my hair with Motions CPR for one hour, washed my hair, and sooo much hair came out.

After I washed my hair I did a protein conditioner with Infusium 23 and Hot Six Oil, then I sectioned my hair to comb it with a wide tooth comb. Sooo much hair came out.

I understand that the Lotus Powder will straighten the curl pattern, but maybe it will help with the brittles as well. My hair is 4a/4b and I wore the twist-extentions for 3 weeks.

 

[NAPPtural]

Re: I HAVE A QUESTION????????????????

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Cook52 said:
Hi, HennaJoy - please tell me where to purchase the Lotus Powder. I've just taken my hair out of double-strand twist extentions and I don't know why, but it feels so dry and so brittle. I deep conditioned my hair with Motions CPR for one hour, washed my hair, and sooo much hair came out.

After I washed my hair I did a protein conditioner with Infusium 23 and Hot Six Oil, then I sectioned my hair to comb it with a wide tooth comb. Sooo much hair came out.

I understand that the Lotus Powder will straighten the curl pattern, but maybe it will help with the brittles as well. My hair is 4a/4b and I wore the twist-extentions for 3 weeks.

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What do you mean by straight??
Its a Herbal Conditioner.
You can get it here
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Lotus Powder Plus

Keep your hair lovely and healthy with our Lotus Powder Plus. Lotus Powder is food for your hair and has been used throughout history by women who have known its secret. We have added our signature touch of herbs to enhance your experience and solidify your love for this Lotus Powder... plus!!! Lotus Powder &amp; Myrobalan plus our special blend of herbs soften, detangles and loosens your hair while adding strength, shine and renewed health. You will notice the difference as your comb goes through your hair with ease. Diminishes breakage while promoting growth. If healthy hair and scalp is your goal, Lotus Powder Plus is indeed a must have. Make it a staple in your beauty regimen.

To use: Mix into a smooth paste and apply to hair. Cover with a plastic cap and allow to remain on your hair when deep conditioning is desired. Or as part of your regular routine, stir 1 1/2 tablespoons Lotus Plus into 8 ounces of hot water. Let cool to a comfortable temperature and pour on your hair while working through hair and onto scalp with fingertips. Then rinse thoroughly. Provides natural conditioning without adding color. Yeah...it is finally here for you!


~Napptural~

 

[Cook52]

Re: I HAVE A QUESTION????????????????

Thanks for the info, Napptural, I'm not talking in terms of 'chemical' straight, I mean relaxing the curl pattern so that my hair doesn't draw up (coil) so tightly. This is the right product, isn't it

 

[NAPPtural]

Re: I HAVE A QUESTION????????????????

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Cook52 said:
Thanks for the info, Napptural, I'm not talking in terms of 'chemical' straight, I mean relaxing the curl pattern so that my hair doesn't draw up (coil) so tightly. This is the right product, isn't it

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...This is for you....

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Lotus Powder &amp; Myrobalan plus our special blend of herbs soften, detangles and loosens your hair while adding strength, shine and renewed health. You will notice the difference as your comb goes through your hair with ease. Diminishes breakage while promoting growth. If healthy hair and scalp is your goal, Lotus Powder Plus is indeed a must have. Make it a staple in your beauty regimen.



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[Cook52]

Re: I HAVE A QUESTION????????????????

thank you,

So, I AM on the right track

 

[HennaJoy]

Re: Henna & Hennalucent

Hi Hairyette,

Yep...the blue highlights is the indigo at work. It also has to do with the coloring of the hair it is put on. Sounds like the combo for you gets the blue black results.

I am delighted the coloring worked out for you so well.

Take care.

HennaJoy