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Henna on color treated hair.

My hair is permanantly color treated. I use Feria Copper Blonde. Does anyone know how henna would effect my hair? Will using henna on top of color damage my hair? Has anyone here ever used henna over dye?
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Re: Henna on color treated hair.

Let me ask you this: How long have you used Ferria? If you decide that you want to put henna over a permanent color, may I suggest that you look at the threads first before embarking on such a task. My advice though, I wouldn't put it over previously colored hair. You'll be risking your hair for a possible breakage, and that's not what you want to do. I would wait at least a few months or until your hair color grows out before using henna.
 
Re: Paging the Hennaphilic Gals...HENNA JOY

HENNAJOY - BELIEVE me when I tell ya I will NOT blow dry my hair w/henna ever, ever again! LOL! It was truly a disaster but resolved itself after I shampooed. Plan on trying my Ahmad tomorrow nite can't wait!!

QUESTION: why does hair coloring (or gray coloring) w/henna require a 2-step process, 1st w/natural & next w/the henna hair color? Just curious...

LUCIA-thanks for the advice on the oils -- when I get back from DC tomorrow I'll look for some avocado oil to try....plus I have coconut oil on hand. I am very pleased w/the tea/conditioner mixture I used it worked fabulously for me.
 
Re: Paging the Hennaphilic Gals...HENNA JOY

Hi Cynthia,

When you color your hair with natural henna the gray will turn red and the rest of your hair will have reddish highlights to one degree or another. So your once white hairs are not red. If you want to keep them that way then no second step is required. If you want however to darken the hairs that are now red, you will do the second step with a herbal/henna that can provide darker colors. So two steps are only required when you want the once white and now red hairs to be darker.

Many people like the red and for them, only one step is required.

HennaJoy
 
Re: 2nd application..(takin\' notes..)

Henna followed by Indigo. It is in the thread somewhere. Check under "Indigo or dye hair black naturally", using the SEARCH button. Hope this helps.
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Re: Paging the Hennaphilic Gals...HENNA JOY

I wanted to try the hennalucent after i take out my braids and trim my ends. i didnt plan to do this a lot. only once and then use regular protein conditioners. will hennalucent create a coating on the hair??? i dont want that i just want to strengthen it.
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God bless you all.
 
Re: Paging the Hennaphilic Gals...HENNA JOY

The pamphlet says it penetrates the strands instead of coating the hair. This is what is supposed to make hennalucent unique amongst the various henna brands. It won't damage your hair because it is compatible with all chemical services. The only suggestion I would make is for you to add oils and a moisturizing conditioner to your mix, to combat the drying effects of henna.
 
Re: Paging the Hennaphilic Gals...HENNA JOY

testing... because a member said she could not post on this thread due to it being too full?

Ok it works. I don't know what the problem could have been.
 
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Hi,

I just wanted to take a minute and thank you ladies from the bottom of my heart for sharing your recipes/results regarding Henna. When I 1st started "lurking" here last year, I was determined to return to relaxing. I had narrowed down my relaxer choices to Elucence(Lye mild) or Phytospecific (no-lye). I had everything all worked out.

Then I found the earlier threads on Henna and then this thread and it TOTALLY changed my hair strategy. I initially tried Hennalucent and I noticed some shine and curl relaxation. Then I tried Rainbow Henna (Persian Black) and added my "potions and notions" and got EXCELLENT results. When I use my ceramic iron, my hair looks relaxed and VERY shiney. My order of 100% Henna/Herb and lotus powder arrived this week so I'm in the process of doing my harvested hair test as I type this.

Henna, for me, offers the best of both worlds - without the damage to the hair strands. I can go straight if I want or stay curly.

Major love/appreciation to Hada, Mahalialee, Amethyst, Iris for your previous posts on Henna, Sweet Cocoa for this thread, HennaJoy for your extreme knowledge and desire to share what you know.

Your sharing has TOTALLY freed me from relaxers!
 
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I have lots of befores no afters yet and I will be posting when I reach waistlength!
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Bonjour.
 
Re: Paging the Hennaphilic Gals...HENNA JOY

I got my Lotus Powder today!
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I'll probably use it Monday night. It smells great!
 
Re: Paging the Hennaphilic Gals...HENNA JOY

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where did you get it from...

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From HennaJoy's site. Here

Look in the "herbal products" section.
 
Re: 2nd application..(takin\' notes..)

Hi Mahalialee4,

Following is what I posted to the other forum where JazzAngel's original post is located. Unfortunately, she has experienced what is possible when using vastly assorted products and ingredients and also a henna powder that is most probably not 100% natural henna powder. Many of you shared with her some ways to restore moisture to her hair and minimize damage. What needs to be clear and understood is that the use of 100% natural henna powder or herbal/henna powder that is comprised of 100% natural henna powder in back to back overnight applications will not produce the outcome JazzAngel experienced. The use of other than 100% natural henna powder with vast numbers of unknowns in those other products and combined ingredients can indeed produce such an outcome. My response:

Hi JazzAngel,

I am sorry to read about your hair breakage.

The back to back henna process is one used by vast numbers of people, including me, for coloring hair with henna. It is necessary when people are wishing to cover their white hairs and also to obtain a dark hair coloring like brown or black. It has always been in this context that I have recommended the two step back to back process. In order to simply condition your hair I have recommended using henna once a month. You can use henna more frequently than once a month safely and without breakage and dryness. I have never experienced breakage or dryness from the two step back to back process and have never heard of anyone else who has experienced such breakage as a result of using 100% natural henna or herbal/henna that is a combination of 100% natural henna and an herb for coloring. I would look to other causes of the breakage. Some thoughts along this line and regarding your routine follow:

1. "For the past few weeks I have been keeping my hair in natural braids. (my own hair braided small) I simply and neetly pull it back in a loose bun."

Someone has already commented on hair breakage that can result from braiding. I ditto that.

2. "At night I rinse my hair and apply shea butter mixed with Alma oil and glycerine to my hair. After it air drys I tie it with a silk scarf.

I deep condition 2x a week with Queen Helene Colestorol or Tropical black conditioner and recently the Aussie Moist. Today I applied castor oil because it was suggested."

One of my initial concerns expressed related to people using henna or people not using henna has been the use of lots of products that means using lots of ingredients disclosed on the labels and undisclosed on the labels. In my opinion less is always more because you have a better chance of knowing exactly what ingredients you are having mixed on your hair and then also have a better chance of predicting outcomes. I have no idea what all the ingredients that came into combination with the products you listed could possibly do. I would however, urge you to look towards those ingredients lists and determine what it is that could have created such breakage and dryness.

One thing you listed is cholesterol. I have experienced and gotten a boat load of feedback from people who have used cholesterol products on their hair and experienced dryness, brittleness and lots of breakage. This is not a product for all hair and if you think you need the strengthening that it provides, it is absolutely necessary that you follow cholesterol up with a moisturizer often. I understand from your posts that you didn't use a moisturizer and the use of cholesterol with out frequent moisturizing has created the same problems you are having on the hair of a lot of people.

There are probably hidden dangers and concerns in some of the other products. You have to know the product and potential consequences. Then when you mix up these assorted products, you need to know what the combination of ingredients create and the environment for your hair that they create as well. When this information is unknown, the outcomes will also be unknown and potentially disasterous.

3. "The Henna came from Tunisia it's not prepackaged. It's loose and green. I have always mixed it with lemon juice an warm water."

I have said it once...twenty times...over and over again. You have to know what henna you are using. You have no idea what is in that henna. If it is a henna that contains a metallic salt and you used it along with one of the products that you used that contains ingredients that may be found in neutralizers or have peroxide in it, that was an accident waiting happen. You have to be sure that your henna powder is 100% natural henna powder. Purchasing henna powder loose from a souke or marketplace in Tunisia, India, Pakistan or where ever gives you a great probability that it has some mixture in it. I have a couple of emails from people who have had their previously henna'd hair turn a funky color after using a henna powder they bought or was brought back to them from Tunisia. I am positive the henna powder they used was not a natural henna powder but a henna compound that by definition contains a metallic salt.

If anyone is going to use henna powder or an herbal/henna powder, they need to know that the henna powder is 100% natural and that the herbal/henna consists of 100% natural henna powder. You will never know that unless you know that the supplier has made sure that the henna powder they are offering is 100% natural henna powder.

I have used my henna powders without damage as have others...back to back...left on 24 hours. My recommendations have always stated the need to know that you are using 100% natural henna powder. This is something that you do not know. If it is an unknown, then you should pass on it. It is not difficult to find 100% natural henna powder. I sell it as do a handful of other suppliers. But if people choose to look elsewhere for henna powder, the need is to remember that you don't know what you have. You may have 100% natural henna powder...you may have a henna compound...you may have somethng that is being passed off as henna but is not henna at all. The choice is to be sure of what you have or to take a chance. The chance that is being taken is with your hair.

4. "To your question about moisturinsing conditioner after doing the henna the answer is NO. I did not think to do this before."

Look closely at my info in the posts about henna. My routine is to do my henna application or lotus powder application and then to apply coconut oil and baobab oil to my hair while it is wet. Then braid and roll and allow to air dry. The remove the rollers and braids and pick out.

A follow up moisturizing conditioner is always best after doing a deep conditioning treatment. It is a two step process. The deep conditioner is the lay up and the moisturizer or moisturizing oils keeps the moisture in your hair and sinks the shot. Forgive my basketball analogy.

5. "Second use in two weeks I did an overnight process, which I am ashamed to admit. I suspect this added to the severity of the problem. Actually I read on a message board where HennaJoy said that this was her method of sleeping with it and I tried it."

There is no shame in sleeping with henna on your hair overnight. This is a common practice...sleeping in it over night or walking around with it in the hair all day. 100% natural henna powder is not going to create a problem with your hair.

I truly recommend to anyone who will make decisions based upon my information provided and recommendations to not pull one piece out of the context of many pieces. Every piece of information I provided existed within a context. One of which is the use of 100% natural henna powder. Another is elimination of all of the additional products with all of the unknowns. Especially if you want to see what 100% natural henna powder will do for you within the context of my usage and recommendations.

6. "Perhaps this was a wrong move for me."

A back to back overnight process is not the problem. That is one variable in a process you used with many products where each product and process is a variable that more likely caused the breakage and hair damage.

To me, some things are predictable. Use of 100% natural henna powder is safe and will not cause breakage and dryness and brittleness. If you see this occurring, look to other products you are using and your process.

I posted what someone told me amounted to 36 pages of information regarding the use of 100% natural henna powder. In that information is all of what I just stated again...stated in a variety of ways. That information is indeed solid and based upon experience and feedback from others who are also constant and long-term as well as short-term users of 100% natural henna powder. I would never recommend to anyone to use vastly assorted products on their hair regardless of if they are using henna or not. And people who have read closely what I posted and others who have emailed me personally will absolutely have to ditto that. I recommend the use of 100% natural henna powder. I also recommend seriously pared down usage of other products with or without henna.

I have no expectation that simply because I recommended something and a particular way to use it that it will be followed. But I do expect that when someone does other than what I have suggested, recommended etc., that it be clear that what was used and how it was used is not what I stated and suggested or recommended or do.

That will lead people to look to henna as the culprit when eyes are better turned and energy expended discovering what the actual problem is and working to solve that. For people to believe that sleeping in 100% henna back to back is the cause of JazzAngels problem would lead to thoughts that one can continue to use a lot of products and ingredients and hair processes and their hair will be just fine. That is not so. Or that 100% natural henna applications back to back and overnight will cause the hair breakage, dryness and brittleness. That is also not so.

There has been a lot of information concerning moisturizing, braiding or plaiting the hair that I ditto. I would not recommend the use of dry heat from the blow drier or dry hair drier as that also can lead to dryness, brittleness and breakage.

There have been recommendations concerning how to remove henna from the hair. I don't know anything about them. My best thoughts on the comments that "Many people have color disasters with henna" is that these people have problems because what they used was not a 100% natural henna powder and that the henna powder they used or some other product they used prior to henna or after henna application contained a metallic salt. I suspect the attempts to "remove" henna from the hair is somehow based in a way to neutralize the metallic salt that is present.

HennaJoy
 
Re: Paging the Hennaphilic Gals...HENNA JOY

I'm sorry that you are experiencing this hair trauma. But I do have to say HennaJoy gave us detail info about henna and where we can purchase true henna at and I see most of us doing the opposite of what we was told to do to get the results we want. Hennalucent and the other stuff mention is not true henna. This is not a henna problem. Henna does two things and breaking the hair off is not one of them. If we would read hennajoy's detail long informative posts then we will see that the other stuff, oils, conditioners is not needed. You can henna back to back with no hair breakage. Henna is a colorant and conditioner. That's all it does..colors and condition the hair. I mean we have a lady on here with afro hair like ours and she knows about henna(she LOVES Henna) and she sells it and gave us information and then we turn around and buy other things and add other things and then something bad happens like this. I feel for you and I'm sorry about your hair but the henna you claim to have is not 100% henna. I would not put something in my hair that I don't know what it is fully...she also express to us to do harvest test at all times....from your experience with the unknown product that you had use (I know it not 100% Henna)I now know for sure that I will get my Henna from HennaJoy and no where else. I will also follow her advice to the T and not add or take away something. There was one girl on here that follow HennaJoy's advice and got excellent results. Others use other things that's not henna and did it other ways and add things and claim they still got good results.(having dry hair afterwards to me is not good results) But 100% Henna is nothing like Hennalucent and the other stuff mention on the thread. WIth the 100% Henna and doing it basic I know for sure what will come out of it. And in all honestly if you use the 100% henna and do it basic you will not experience dryness.
HennaJoy I'm glad that you took you time out to post detail info and basic instructions of using Henna you better believe that I'm going to follow it and get my Henna hair products from you,
JAZZANGEL I'm sorry you went through this, be brave and Good Luck with you hair.
 
Lotus Powder is not lotus powder is not lotus pwdr

Hi SassyGirl,

I am glad that you got your lotus powder.

I want you and others to be absolutely clear. Just because something is called henna or has henna in the name does not mean that it is 100% natural henna. Just because something is called lotus powder or has lotus powder in the name does not mean that it is lotus powder used for conditioning the hair.

What you have received from me is Lotus Powder that is used for conditioning the hair. It is not...not the lotus powder that is part of an Asian...especially Chinese...tradition to drink or make desserts from. All it will take is a tad of what you received on your finger tip and put on your tongue to assure you of that. This lotus powder is from another plant and the two are not interchangeable.

HennaJoy
 
Re: Lotus Powder is not lotus powder is not lotus pwdr

I have the lotus powder from hennajoy too. I've looked for information on the water to powder ratio, but could not find it on here. How much should I use?

Thanks!
 
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I have the lotus powder from hennajoy too. I've looked for information on the water to powder ratio, but could not find it on here. How much should I use?

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CurlyCrly this is froM HennaJoy's website:

"To use: Mix into a smooth paste and apply to hair. Cover with a plastic cap and allow to remain on your hair when deep conditioning is desired. Or as part of your regular routine, stir 1 1/2 tablespoons Lotus Plus into 8 ounces of hot water. Let cool to a comfortable temperature and pour on your hair while working through hair and onto scalp with fingertips. Then rinse thoroughly. Provides natural conditioning without adding color. Yeah...it is finally here for you!"
 
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"Potions and Notions" I like that one. I am going to purchase soon also from HennaJoy. A kilo perhaps...(sounds like I 'm purchasing weed eh?) Ok..ok..I am an admitted henna fiend!
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hada
 
Re: Lotus Powder is not lotus powder is not lotus pwdr

Thanks SeaMist! I guess I'll have to wing it as far as the proportions for the "smooth paste".
 
Re: Lotus Powder is not lotus powder is not lotus pwdr

Hi CurlyCrly,

Thanks SeaMist for copy/pasting this from my website.

"To use: Mix into a smooth paste and apply to hair."

This really means what it states. You want to put your lotus powder into a bowl and add water until you see the lotus powder/water combo become a smooth paste. I don't put exact proportions for a number of reasons that include:

Some people want a thicker paste.
Some people want a thinner paste.
The amount of water will differ depending upon how much lotus powder you choose to mix at one time.
Some people are not even going to use water and use something else to mix the lotus powder with and the proportions will change according to what they use.

So the "mix into a smooth paste and apply to hair" wording is quite deliberate and nonprecise for a reason. It is the same as with henna when I describe adding lemon juice concentrate for hair until it is like thick brownie mix or for body art until it is like thick yogurt. Sometimes I just say to your desired consistency. That is the key. Make it the consistency you like to work with. You will play with this until you find the consistency you like the most.

HennaJoy
 
Re: Lotus Powder is not lotus powder is not lotus pwdr

I trust that all the ladies understand and agree that HENNA IS HENNA ONLY AND LOTUS POWDER IS LOTUS POWDER ONLY and these individual ingredient powders should not be confused with Hennalucent, Amla, and plus ingredients and I sincerely hope that when I posted the exact truth of the ingredients and original purpose of what I was using, stipulating that it was a combo of ingredients and not the single ingredient but a dessert combo of Lotus root, Lily root and Yam root(see my post),,,,that noone would confuse it with the same 100% Lotus powder that HennaJoy has on her site. I wish that I could get it for the same price as the Americans. When you order a product for $10.00 American you probably pay up to $13 max. and change for shipping. If I order from the U.S. from where I live, it is not worth it for me to order anything for under $50.00 and then I end up paying $20.oo PLUS in shipping, GST, etc. etc. I pay three separate charges to receive regardless if it is $10.00 or $50. So much for FREE TRADE. I ordered $32 Canadian worth of product a few weeks ago and it cost me $75.00. I pay from $3.00 to $11.00 Canadian for Henna here. When I order it, it works out to max about $18.00 a package from the U.S. I would really love to try the Real Lotus Powder, but I have to wait until I can afford to order several to make it worth it and to cut down the cost over time. I want to order some of the Henna and Indigo as well and then I will be in the "po house", I'm sure. In the meantime, I will just stick with my lotions and potions, (We Creole love that sort of thing,)but I would not want anyone to have a bad experience because they did differentiate nor heed the excellent advice given by HennaJoy, who really knows her stuff re: Henna and Lotus Powder, the real 100% ones. Neither should she receive any negative reflection on herself or her products and neither should the products because of anyone comparing the genuine with the knockoffs. Oh and by the way,
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the conditioner that I was using when I had the shedding and breaking was the cholesterols which I no longer use. I recognized the consistent pattern. Since then I have had no breakage.
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HennaJoy, do you have a Canadian connection or knowledge of where I might be able to get the same Lotus powder here in Canada? A Canadian distributor? I would really like it if someone could hook me up over here.
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Bonjour.
 
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MahaliaLee, to answer your question, your directions were understood by me to the max
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Keep posting all these great recipes because I'm certainly looking forward to them!
 
Re: Lotus Powder is not lotus powder is not lotus pwdr

In light of certain things I am hearing about henna I am wondering how often this is supposed to be used. I feel like I have absorbed a lot of information about it but I still have questions and looking over this thread one too many times creates even more confusion. Okay I am wondering

Is henna permanent? Or is it something that overtime fades? Its supposed to be a mild protein conditioner? No? So it strengthens the hair right? There was mention of proteins affect on the hair structure on this thread but whenever I bring it up it seems like i am talking about unicorns.

Now for the hennalucent it is safe for hair that has had chemical treatments(color,perm,relaxer) does it strengthen the hair? Is this safer for people to use if they just want the sealing effect then using henna? I am hearing mostly positive things about hennalucent and the only bad things I am hearing about henna may be from improper use or not 100% henna. so is hennalucent a relatively safe thing that wont coat the hair???

I am positive these have been answered somewhere in here and I am so sorry I feel like I have a million questions but a lot of the questions are more towards henna and not hennalucent. i want to try hennalucent after i get a trim to prevent split ends and strengthen the hair. i only plan to do this maybe one or twice a month. I want to be sure about this because in a week or two I will be going to sallys to pick up the hennalucent in neutral and i just to make sure I am 100% clear on what to expect. sorry for all the questions. God bless you all.
 
Re: Lotus Powder is not lotus powder is not lotus pwdr

Hi Mahalialee4,

I know what you mean about the prices conversions from U.S. dollars to Canadian dollars. Some people can bit that bullet alright and the shipping can not bad as long as the parcel is considered an envelop rather than a package. But the really deal breaker can be the taxes you have to pay in Canada in order to import it.

Unfortunately, I don't know of anyone in Canada that has the lotus powder either. One person there has one of the henna powders I carry, the Kimia. I don't know what her supply is like right now. We were both so backordered when that shipment finally came in that I don't know what she has left. It is possible that I could have lotus powder avaiable in Canada in the future. But that could not be until my next shipment comes in.

I know...it amazes me too...the cost and sometimes difficulty of sending something to Canada or from Canada to the U.S. I think the U.S. regulations enforced by Customs are more rigid and the Canadian taxes on imports are more expensive.

I'll let you know if and when I can do something to get lotus powder there. You shouldn't have problems finding amla there.

HennaJoy
 
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Azul said: Now for the hennalucent it is safe for hair that has had chemical treatments(color,perm,relaxer) does it strengthen the hair? Is this safer for people to use if they just want the sealing effect then using henna? I am hearing mostly positive things about hennalucent and the only bad things I am hearing about henna may be from improper use or not 100% henna. so is hennalucent a relatively safe thing that wont coat the hair???


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Azul hennalucent is compatible with all chemical services. I and many others have transitioned successfully using hennalucent. Henna is a mild protein. There are alot of recipes on this thread to help anyone along if they are interested in doing a henna treatment. Henna is not permanent. If you stop using it, your hair will revert back to its natural hair texture
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It's a great alternative to a relaxer!
 
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thank you so much for replying. I knew it was probably mentioned somewhere in this thread but I kept hearing so much on henna and not hennalucent that my brain almost made them interchangable. Also when I saw Zanna's hair and found out she used hennalucent and said with that and protective styles it has helped her keep her length. my ears perked up. I feel like with the biotin and this I will be able to grow it and keep it. thanks again for everything. God bless you all.
 
Re: Lotus Powder is not lotus powder is not lotus pwdr

Just make sure that you add enough oils to your mix to counteract the dryness. Also, the biotin must be accompanied by a b-complex for the entire b-family to work at optimum proficiency.
 
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