Mary Mary's new video-GOD IN ME. Too worldly?

[blazingthru]

So when you first accepted Christ, did you do everything right? If you did, Kudos to you b/c for some, its a struggle. Sometimes, as I stated, she may be taught wrong, or around the wrong people. You are still to pray for those who are wayward in their thinking. Not poke fun. It's not funny when Christians think things so blatantaly incorrect are ok.

In my story I said I was saved for only six months before I fell away and the reason why I fell away was because I WAS NOT WILLING TO CHANGE FOR GOD. I thought its okay to dance whats wrong with that, not thinking of your mindset when your at that type of enviroment dancing or doing anything else for that matter that you were doing before you decided to give your life to christ. I did not read my bible because it cut me to my heart to see myself for who I was and so I put it down and went after the stuff I wanted to do. It became all about me and having fun. but it started off small. Now it should have cut me to my heart and I change but I didn't change because I I I thought I knew what was best for me. After all who was I harming. I was harming anyone that might have had a chance at being saved because of my actions. I'll share something else some of those people are dead now. I didn't share my faith with them I didn't change and so there was no reason for them to change.
1 John 3:10 (New International Version)

10This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not a child of God; nor is anyone who does not love his brother.
2 Peter 2:20 (New International Version)

20If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning.

P.s. I don't think at any time I was making fun or poking fun or even commented on it. that is not what I was refering to at any time.

 

[hurricane]

In my story I said I was saved for only six months before I fell away and the reason why I fell away was because I WAS NOT WILLING TO CHANGE FOR GOD. I thought its okay to dance whats wrong with that, not thinking of your mindset when your at that type of enviroment dancing or doing anything else for that matter that you were doing before you decided to give your life to christ. I did not read my bible because it cut me to my heart to see myself for who I was and so I put it down and went after the stuff I wanted to do. It became all about me and having fun. but it started off small. Now it should have cut me to my heart and I change but I didn't change because I I I thought I knew what was best for me. After all who was I harming. I was harming anyone that might have had a chance at being saved because of my actions. I'll share something else some of those people are dead now. I didn't share my faith with them I didn't change and so there was no reason for them to change.
1 John 3:10 (New International Version)

10This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not a child of God; nor is anyone who does not love his brother.
2 Peter 2:20 (New International Version)

20If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning.

P.s. I don't think at any time I was making fun or poking fun or even commented on it. that is not what I was refering to at any time.

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I backslide most of my christian walk. I wouldn't wish that on anyone. No we are not perfect but disobedience comes at a high price. I said that to say this. We need to encourage Bible reading so we will know the word for ourselves. We wil know how to talk, dress, act and live our own lives and not get watered down buy these Hollywood Christrians.

 

[meka]

In my story I said I was saved for only six months before I fell away and the reason why I fell away was because I WAS NOT WILLING TO CHANGE FOR GOD. I thought its okay to dance whats wrong with that, not thinking of your mindset when your at that type of enviroment dancing or doing anything else for that matter that you were doing before you decided to give your life to christ. I did not read my bible because it cut me to my heart to see myself for who I was and so I put it down and went after the stuff I wanted to do. It became all about me and having fun. but it started off small. Now it should have cut me to my heart and I change but I didn't change because I I I thought I knew what was best for me. After all who was I harming. I was harming anyone that might have had a chance at being saved because of my actions. I'll share something else some of those people are dead now. I didn't share my faith with them I didn't change and so there was no reason for them to change.
1 John 3:10 (New International Version)

10This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not a child of God; nor is anyone who does not love his brother.
2 Peter 2:20 (New International Version)

20If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning.

P.s. I don't think at any time I was making fun or poking fun or even commented on it. that is not what I was refering to at any time.

I wasnt talking about you picking on her, I was talking about you saying something about it being an excuse about her being a babe in Christ. The poking fun comment wasnt for you.

 

[kally]

What I got out of it was this. Mary Mary was singing abot all of these people doing things, but then turn around and want to mention God.

 

[BeautifulFlower]

Hiya!
I would love to respond but now I am completely lost in what you are saying.

Is it logical to connect someone with a "ministry" to be in Christian ministry, e.g., ministering to others to be saved? And how can one minister to others to be saved if they may not be saved?

Because if it's not then this entire thread is moot...or at least my understanding of this subject matter is out of sorts.

That's how I was framing the context.

I mean. which "God" are they talking about? Do they even say the name "Jesus" in this song? Maybe I should have checked to see which "god" they are singing about that's in them.

 

[Shimmie]

Yes girl it was you. Thanks for the kisses I love kisses.

And now, it's 'you' teaching me.... a level of humilty.

God bless you, Blazingthru; continue to grow in His word. For that's where we live and move and breathe and have our total being.



Jesus Our Lord, Forever...

 

[flautist]

Sometimes we have to reach people where they are. Babies need milk, so why try to give them food. We can't be so heavenly until we are no earthly good! Jesus didn't hang around the "do gooders and churchfolk", he was around the tax collectors and harlots and people who needed God. That's where we should be.

 

[MA2010]

Sometimes we have to reach people where they are. Babies need milk, so why try to give them food. We can't be so heavenly until we are no earthly good! Jesus didn't hang around the "do gooders and churchfolk", he was around the tax collectors and harlots and people who needed God. That's where we should be.

I agree in that we must go out into the world and reach others where they stand.

However, we have to be the example and set the example like Jesus did when we do witness to others.

I don't think Mary Mary did that.

 

[Shimmie]

I agree in that we must go out into the world and reach others where they stand.

However, we have to be the example and set the example like Jesus did when we do witness to others.

I don't think Mary Mary did that.

Excellent post!

Exactly!

When Jesus reached out, He didn't dress or become like those He was reaching out to. He maintained who He was and received a multitude of followers. He didn't drop His pants way below His belt line; neither did He hip hop de' bop to a rhythm just to get their attention. Neither did the women who ministered drop their bustline nor raise their hems, just to reach and get others to follow them.

They, along with He, Jesus, remained the same, then, yesterday, today and forever. He was consistantly the same, without blemish, shame or blame.

Mary, Mary and the like simply want to dress that way. It's a choice that they've made for themselves.

One thing I've learned for myself is that the Holy Spirit bypasses 'resistance' and cold hearts. I may not be dressed up in a 'clergical robe and collar', but neither am I busting out of my jeans and T Shirt to minister to someone.

The Holy Spirit has mananged to take me into the most unlike places and at the most unlikely times, and HE alone broke down the barriers to get He love and message through to the person and/or persons He's led me to minister to.

You know what Manuska? (love your name ) 'We' know that it's not about dressing down to the world's level to reach them. The 'Entertainers' know it too. It a matter of dressing up to the level of Godliness, setting the standard of real change.

 

[Shimmie]

Sometimes we have to reach people where they are. Babies need milk, so why try to give them food. We can't be so heavenly until we are no earthly good! Jesus didn't hang around the "do gooders and churchfolk", he was around the tax collectors and harlots and people who needed God. That's where we should be.

I understand about 'babies and milk'. However, we even clothe our babies in the right garments and teach them what to cover accordingly. As a child, my parents taught me early how to dress and what to keep covered. They also set the example. They weren't being cruel, they were protecting me and teaching me modesty.

Jesus never compromised His image, presentation, standards no matter where He was. He immediately told them what not to do, which was go and sin no more. No sour milk about it.

 

[PaperClip]

Hiya!
I would love to respond but now I am completely lost in what you are saying.

I think the underlying (sincere and inevitable) aspect of this conversation has to do with salvation and the preservation of Christian holiness... who is responsible for maintaining holiness, being an example to represent Christ in our conduct (whoever we are, including Mary Mary who has an international stage, or me,, or you, or all of us here in this thread).

Would it make sense to demand that Mary Mary be an "example" to other Christians if we didn't want to believe they were saved at all? Why would there be a demand on a gospel singer (saved or otherwise) to be an example to other Christians if there wasn't an expectation that that gospel singer was already saved?

 

[BeautifulFlower]

I think the underlying (sincere and inevitable) aspect of this conversation has to do with salvation and the preservation of Christian holiness... who is responsible for maintaining holiness, being an example to represent Christ in our conduct (whoever we are, including Mary Mary who has an international stage, or me,, or you, or all of us here in this thread).

Would it make sense to demand that Mary Mary be an "example" to other Christians if we didn't want to believe they were saved at all? Why would there be a demand on a gospel singer (saved or otherwise) to be an example to other Christians if there wasn't an expectation that that gospel singer was already saved?

I believe your obversation goes alot deeper than we are discussing. We did not question their salvation and if someone did, they did out of their own capacity. The overall point is as CHRISTIAN women and leaders, they should set an example for their audience and that they should focus on Gospel and not themselves, which is a fair and honorable point. They dont have to be like anyone else but its fair to ask them not to show cleavage. Being that they are CHRISTIAN women, they should know better.

 

[PaperClip]

I believe your obversation goes alot deeper than we are discussing. We did not question their salvation and if someone did, they did out of their own capacity. The overall point is as CHRISTIAN women and leaders, they should set an example for their audience and that they should focus on Gospel and not themselves, which is a fair and honorable point. They dont have to be like anyone else but its fair to ask them not to show cleavage. Being that they are CHRISTIAN women, they should know better.

The bolded goes right back to my first post in this thread: what EVIDENCE do we have to support any type of CLAIM that they are Christian and/or saved?

Like Shimmie said, ANYBODY CAN SING A GOSPEL SONG. ANYBODY. It's not like there's an exam or "blood test" (no pun intended!) that a singer has to go through (to prove/denote their salvation) before they record a gospel record.

Just because a person sings a gospel record doesn't mean that they have to set an example for their audience.

So for us to challenge them to set an example is... well...unfounded(?) for lack of a better term....

 

[kinkicurlyfyne]

Sooo... what is their style? And how are we supposed to know their style? I thought it would be by listening to their music.

I really liked their first CD. But it seems that they've deviated from the style of that first CD into more...how shall I say.... stretching the boundaries of a "gospel" sound... and not necessarily in a good way.

Well, it is by listening to their music. I'm basing it off of CD's they've put out before. What I meant is that it doesn't sound like something they would sing/write, etc. Sure, at times when they are singing (on this CD), you can tell its obviously MaryMary by the way that they sing, certain sounds/beats/rhythms, whatever. But some songs, I was like, who is this?
I do listen to non-gospel music, but I don't really like blending the two together so much. MaryMary never really was old-school gospel to begin with, but the David Banner/T-Pain sound is a little much for me.

 

[GV-NA-GI-TLV-GE-I]

*sigh*



*sigh*



*sigh*

I don't like this video. I mean what's with all the boobs showing and they're huge boobs. That's something for private home entertainment for husbands.

Geesh

LOLOL out loud. Now I have to stop passing this thread by and see the vid.

 

[PaperClip]

Well, it is by listening to their music. I'm basing it off of CD's they've put out before. What I meant is that it doesn't sound like something they would sing/write, etc. Sure, at times when they are singing (on this CD), you can tell its obviously MaryMary by the way that they sing, certain sounds/beats/rhythms, whatever. But some songs, I was like, who is this?
I do listen to non-gospel music, but I don't really like blending the two together so much. MaryMary never really was old-school gospel to begin with, but the David Banner/T-Pain sound is a little much for me.

I see what you're saying. Sure, it's ok for a musical artist to stretch and challenge themselves musically. That keeps things fresh. (And that applies to all of us in whatever we're doing... to challenge ourselves and avoid boredom, etc.). Mary Mary uses different producers on their albums and different producers will produce different sounds, obviously.

I personally was not expecting Mary Mary to sound "old-school" (now that would be interesting to define what old-school gospel is) but at the same time, holiness can sound a lot of ways in terms of certain sounds/beats/rhythms, etc. But the only thing that holiness CANNOT sound like is unholy, meaning it doesn't soothe the soul and turn one toward Christ. If I'm thinking about the club instead of Jesus, I'm just saying, that's probably not edifying to the soul and spirit.

 

[Precious_1]

I agree in that we must go out into the world and reach others where they stand.

However, we have to be the example and set the example like Jesus did when we do witness to others.

I don't think Mary Mary did that.

I agree, I dont think they did that at all. The song was the perfect opportunity to minister to people that are still "in the world" the beat was catchy, the lyrics were on point, so when they brought it to life in a video, who knows how many people they could have turned from the world and into the knowledge of jesus christ. They could have demonstrated what having him in their lives could do for them! It was an opportunity to show people that even living for Jesus, they could have it all together, live a good life, etc. there was one poster who took it as you can still go to the club, have a good time, and the words clearly don't say anything like that but if you watch the video, well....it may very well suggest that. Kanye West and Bi-sexual Amber was not a good look.

 

[Shimmie]

LOLOL out loud. Now I have to stop passing this thread by and see the vid.

Of course I took it to the next level and Foxy Scholar called me out on it.



She's still my Little Sis...

 

[Shimmie]

The bolded goes right back to my first post in this thread: what EVIDENCE do we have to support any type of CLAIM that they are Christian and/or saved?

Like Shimmie said, ANYBODY CAN SING A GOSPEL SONG. ANYBODY. It's not like there's an exam or "blood test" (no pun intended!) that a singer has to go through (to prove/denote their salvation) before they record a gospel record.

Just because a person sings a gospel record doesn't mean that they have to set an example for their audience.

So for us to challenge them to set an example is... well...unfounded(?) for lack of a better term....

After 200 plus posts in this thread, I FINALLY understand what you meant in this thread.

Beautiful Little Sister of My Heart... when it's late at night and I'm reading your posts....

Foxy, Speak English!

Geeee Whizzzzzzzzzz

You had my brain going like this for over a week in this thread...

Love you girl...

 

[PaperClip]

After 200 plus posts in this thread, I FINALLY understand what you meant in this thread.

Beautiful Little Sister of My Heart... when it's late at night and I'm reading your posts....

Foxy, Speak English!

Geeee Whizzzzzzzzzz

You had my brain going like this for over a week in this thread...

Love you girl...

:blush3:Sigh... sniff....

Yet another reason why I love you so dearly.... 20 pages into this and you didn't give up on me.... I you, Dear Big Sis Shimmie!

 

[Shimmie]

:blush3:Sigh... sniff....

Yet another reason why I love you so dearly.... 20 pages into this and you didn't give up on me.... I you, Dear Big Sis Shimmie!

Right back at you

Tomorrow's my birthday and you are one of my Dearest Gifts from Heaven.

 

[PaperClip]

Right back at you

Tomorrow's my birthday and you are one of my Dearest Gifts from Heaven.

In advance, Blessed Birthday! Will say a special birthday prayer for you!

 

[MizzCoco]

I'm gonna comment with out reading the others, so forgive me if i repeat anything...I like the song, however, I think some of the people in the video should not have been there, but thats my opinion.

 

[MissNina]

I only read the first few posts, but I love the song! The video is kind of dumb. I don't feel it matches with the song.

I have no issues with anyone in or out of the video b/c God is not exclusive to anyone. Just b/c you make secular music, go to the club or wherever else you choose, does NOT in any way mean you don't love God or place Him in top priority. And that is the entire point of the song. Ppl are focusing on the beat but listen to what they're saying. . .it's so true. Lyrically, I really like it and relate.

But Steve Harvey's comment truly bothers me. I guess his book is a "on the fence Christian" relationship book, as he condones premarital sex in it. He is the last person to talk. I really don't like him at all

 

[hurricane]

I only read the first few posts, but I love the song! The video is kind of dumb. I don't feel it matches with the song.

I have no issues with anyone in or out of the video b/c God is not exclusive to anyone. Just b/c you make secular music, go to the club or wherever else you choose, does NOT in any way mean you don't love God or place Him in top priority. And that is the entire point of the song. Ppl are focusing on the beat but listen to what they're saying. . .it's so true. Lyrically, I really like it and relate.

But Steve Harvey's comment truly bothers me. I guess his book is a "on the fence Christian" relationship book, as he condones premarital sex in it. He is the last person to talk. I really don't like him at all

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This type of person would be classified as a lukewarm christian according to scripture. Jesus says, because you are neither hot nor cold I will spew you out of my mouth. This is found in the Book of Revalation.

Abraham came from of family of idol worshippers. He was called out and the Father gave his descendents Laws on how to live. The chlidren of Israel were not to live as the other peoples of the world. This is our down fall as christians. We are the light of the world but we keep polluting this light because we want to be like everyone else.

Jesus says, if you love me you will follow my commandments, which include the old and new testament. He did not come to destroy the law but fulfill it.

I don't care for Steve Harvey either.

 

[Kurlee]

I only read the first few posts, but I love the song! The video is kind of dumb. I don't feel it matches with the song.

I have no issues with anyone in or out of the video b/c God is not exclusive to anyone. Just b/c you make secular music, go to the club or wherever else you choose, does NOT in any way mean you don't love God or place Him in top priority. And that is the entire point of the song. Ppl are focusing on the beat but listen to what they're saying. . .it's so true. Lyrically, I really like it and relate.

But Steve Harvey's comment truly bothers me. I guess his book is a "on the fence Christian" relationship book, as he condones premarital sex in it. He is the last person to talk. I really don't like him at all

I totally agree Miss Nina. Why do Christians feel that they have to isolate themselves from everything and everyone who is not where they are in their walk with God? People are all raised differently and have different life experiences, and if anyone should be the most understanding about life and obstacles and people and their complexities, it should be Christians. Jesus didn't only chill with the people who "got it right"

 

[Kurlee]

Jesus says, if you love me you will follow my commandments, which include the old and new testament. He did not come to destroy the law but fulfill it.

Interesting, if thats the case, then the ten commandments say to follow the 7th day as the sabbath, which would be Saturday, so how come the majority of Christians here go to church on Sunday and regard that as their "holy day"? Also, in Leviticus, it discusses, clean and unclean meats, and plenty of Christians here eat pork (considered unclean) and shellfish among other things. What's up with that?

 

[hurricane]

I totally agree Miss Nina. Why do Christians feel that they have to isolate themselves from everything and everyone who is not where they are in their walk with God? People are all raised differently and have different life experiences, and if anyone should be the most understanding about life and obstacles and people and their complexities, it should be Christians. Jesus didn't only chill with the people who "got it right"

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Christians are to be in the world but not of the world. I don't isolate myself from others. I have co-workers who are stepping out on their husbands. One asked me to go out with her. I declined because of the situation she has put herself in. It is a dangerous situation.

Yes many people come from different backgrounds. But one common denominator is the Word of God. For those of you who don't agree read the Word and encourage those around you to read it. It will bring clarity, revelation, and understanding.

 

[thatscuteright]

Sigh...There are so many discrepancies between the Bible, how people actually live today, Western ideology, lifestyle and interpretation.

I like Mary Mary and believe that like Tyler Perry they have a built in audience that are receptive to their kind of music.

 

[hurricane]

Interesting, if thats the case, then the ten commandments say to follow the 7th day as the sabbath, which would be Saturday, so how come the majority of Christians here go to church on Sunday and regard that as their "holy day"? Also, in Leviticus, it discusses, clean and unclean meats, and plenty of Christians here eat pork (considered unclean) and shellfish among other things. What's up with that?

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If you know the Sabbath to be on Saturday, then why don't you observe it. I just started myself. I try not to buy or sell anything. I rest on that day and spend time with my family.

If you know pork to be bad don't eat it. In Acts 11: 6-9

When I observed it intently and considered, I saw four-footed animals of the earth, wild beasts, creeping things, and birds of the air.

And I heard a voice saying to me, ' Rise, Peter; kill and eat.'

But I said, ' Not so Lord! For nothing common or unclean has at any time entered my mouth.'

But the voice answered me again from heaven, ' what God has cleansed you must not call common.'