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Jouelzy - So Over the Natural Hair Community & Texture Discrimination 4c

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So I finally watched her video... I was ok a minute in, but then she started talking fast and I was immediately put off. She comes off as slightly scorned. I think that she is her worst enemy and her personality has set her back from going as far as she could have been. She talks poo about everything (I watched other vids) for no reason. And she seems insincere (extremely!!). Any videos with her and another vlogger are cringeworthy for me because I can tell by the body language that something is off.
 
Adiatasha said:
I stopped following her because she's into wigs/weaves and her hair has been the same length for a long time and she doesn't address that. Maybe she doesn't want long hair.. But I do, so I follow/subscribe to those who are on THAT journey.

I liked the information that she provided. It was informative and well thought out.
I guess I'm not on you tube for friends/family I just want information to do better.

As a 4c girl... I get where she's coming from.
But it doesn't bother me that other people covet other hair types.

I'm just glad I got some.
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You are right she did switch over to the wigs and weaves. I forgot about that spell.

She was going along fine and something must have happened because she seemed to switch over all of a sudden. I wasn't really paying attention though. Hopefully she will stop before she ruins her challenge completely and can't get people back.
 
GraceJones said:
^^^She's talking about ya'll up in that lmao. This woman is off-putting though
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Insecure much? Her post was so unnecessary. Some people will like you some won't. Le shrug. Most of the comments weren't catty at all just opinions (which is what the internet is about).

I really didn't care about her one way or another but was off put by her new youtube video. It just came off weird. Okay so you're drunk talking your audience. Mmmmkay. I guess.:look:
 
Soratachi said:
A message from our favourite 4c guru :grin:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vTOAuTCxus
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I don't get why people are complaining about her personality, what's wrong with it? But then again I like people who have I don't give an F attitudes and are in your face about it. Her vulgarity is tame to me compared to someone like Himay where every other word is the F bomb. As far as the initial video and her blog post, I get what she is saying. I mean I'm still looking for type 4s on YouTube that straighten their hair regularly. All the ones I've found are type 3s which to me isn't the same when it comes to heat.
 
mz.rae said:
I don't get why people are complaining about her personality, what's wrong with it? But then again I like people who have I don't give an F attitudes and are in your face about it. Her vulgarity is tame to me compared to someone like Himay where every other word is the F bomb. As far as the initial video and her blog post, I get what she is saying. I mean I'm still looking for type 4s on YouTube that straighten their hair regularly. All the ones I've found are type 3s which to me isn't the same when it comes to heat.
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mz.rae you need to keep searching. They exist and there are tons of 4s on youtube.

One of my favorites (rip) is longhairdontcare2011
Her flat iron vid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXzQ6YuSpK8

Her journey:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6wFWeUg4r8

Go search through hers. She passed this year from Lupus but is a wealth of growing out hair using heat for years and years before she experimented this year with no heat. And got it pretty long to boot before changing it up this year.

This is why I am side eying the youtuber in question as there are many 4's (a, b, c) getting props and support on youtube.
 
luckiestdestiny said:
mz.rae you need to keep searching. They exist and there are tons of 4s on youtube.

One of my favorites (rip) is longhairdontcare2011
Her flat iron vid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXzQ6YuSpK8

Her journey:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6wFWeUg4r8

Go search through hers. She passed this year from Lupus but is a wealth of growing out hair using heat for years and years before she experimented this year with no heat. And got it pretty long to boot before changing it up this year.

This is why I am side eying the youtuber in question as there are many 4's (a, b, c) getting props and support on youtube.
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Thank you! I guess I should have clarified when I mean straighten, I mean straighten bone straight. The 4s that I have seen that use heat seem to only use it to an amount that the hair just looks like it has been blow dried or straightened lightly. I'm more so looking for a type 4s that straighten their hair like sistawithrealhair or the glamtwinz. But I will keep searching.
 
Ok. I just watched and I have a few things to say.

1. She doesn't seem tipsy in the slightest to me, that's her normal personality. She looked cute in the video too.

2. Why does she assume that the people who find her personality brash are docile, religious and Tyler Perry characters?! Where did that come from? We were mainly saying that her delivery leaves a lot to be desired. Which is why companies are reluctant to do business with her.

3. Why are you not doing reviews? You never which company will be the next big thing and what opportunities will come from it. It just makes no sense at all to do such a thing, then make a video saying that you should be bigger and have more subs:perplexed

4. Why are you giving away partially used products or incomplete trial bags? Come now one of the bags was missing the moisturizer. Moisturizer is everything! It comes right after conditioner.

I think she is funny and has a few good vids, but she needs to tone it down or just accept that companies find her to be brash.
 
Mahogony7 said:
Ok. I just watched and I have a few things to say.

1. She doesn't seem tipsy in the slightest to me, that's her normal personality. She looked cute in the video too.

2. Why does she assume that the people who find her personality brash are docile, religious and Tyler Perry characters?! Where did that come from? We were mainly saying that her delivery leaves a lot to be desired. Which is why companies are reluctant to do business with her.

3. Why are you not doing reviews? You never which company will be the next big thing and what opportunities will come from it. It just makes no sense at all to do such a thing, then make a video saying that you should be bigger and have more subs:perplexed

4. Why are you giving away partially used products or incomplete trial bags? Come now one of the bags was missing the moisturizer. Moisturizer is everything! It comes right after conditioner.

I think she is funny and has a few good vids, but she needs to tone it down or just accept that companies find her to be brash.
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Yep to the bold. Like I stated before, I am a subbie to her and also to Himay10ence. For me/to me, it is a difference between the two. I know that women are assertive. Some of the more successful ones are assertive, but that assertive side is not for public consumption. That doesn't mean that they always make nice and are docile and such, but they know how and when, ya know?
Also, why is it that when you are nice and "vanilla" that is not equal to smart (by some folks)? What is that about? Why is smart always liken to brash, talking out the side of the neck types? That is a stereo type that most women are trying to escape, no? Smart, intellectual, culturally aware, and nice are not mutually exclusive terms. We can be smart, aware, and not fit into a certain kind of box for any one kind of person/people.

I could say a whole lot more, but going off on a tangent this morning....:ohwell:
 
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I like what she is saying, even on the video.

I think what she is sharing is just an inconvenient truth shared by someone who is very emotionally tied to the issue.
 
ugg. I hate when people get criticism and automatically say they have haters. I think she has a great personality but some people made some good points about her being TMI. You can be different and still get money. There are lots of YTers who have an edge and people love them, but they know to be careful of what they say. Tis all
 
Dear Whateveryournameis,

I still stand by my earlier assertions. In light of your recent video, I strongly urge you to procure both a psychotherapist and a Life Coach in the very near future.

Signed,

An assertive atheist who can smell the BS from a mile away
 
Her personality is super over the top and annoying. But she looks a lot better in this video than in the last.

Sent from my galaxy s4 using LHCF
 
Ok I don't have anything to add to the texture discrimination topic but I did watch this latest response video that was posted above.
She is giving away a jar of product that she scooped half out of for herself...:huh: :perplexed
 
Mahogony7 said:
Ok. I just watched and I have a few things to say.

1. She doesn't seem tipsy in the slightest to me, that's her normal personality. She looked cute in the video too.

2. Why does she assume that the people who find her personality brash are docile, religious and Tyler Perry characters?! Where did that come from? We were mainly saying that her delivery leaves a lot to be desired. Which is why companies are reluctant to do business with her.

3. Why are you not doing reviews? You never which company will be the next big thing and what opportunities will come from it. It just makes no sense at all to do such a thing, then make a video saying that you should be bigger and have more subs:perplexed

4. Why are you giving away partially used products or incomplete trial bags? Come now one of the bags was missing the moisturizer. Moisturizer is everything! It comes right after conditioner.

I think she is funny and has a few good vids, but she needs to tone it down or just accept that companies find her to be brash.
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This. Why does she have it out for Tyler Perry. I don't like him that much, but you would think he personally wronged her.

Also, her rationale for not doing product reviews confused me. I guess she'll explain further in the video about it.

I still like her, but her giveaways get the side eye
 
mz.rae check out ciarahoneydip. She is type 4 natural and wears her hair super straight. She wears a lot of weaves now but she has some straightening vids on her channel
 
ezina said:
This may not be a particularly popular response but I take issue with some comments saying that they feel descriminated against for having looser hair types. I get it; it's one's personal experience and I can't tell someone that their feeling is invalid or whatever. However, in *my opinion*, complaining that you have a looser hairtype is like complaining about having a light complexion or being skinny. Why? Because these characteristics are valued highly in our society. So while the skinny girl may get made fun of and told to "eat a burger" or a light-skinned girl is shunned by a group of darkskinned girls because they assume she's "uppity" or a line of products seems to work only for kinkier textured curls as opposed to looser curls, let's face it; it's not on the same level if the reverse happened (i.e. a fat girl is made fun of for eating a burger; a darkskinned girl is made to feel ignored by light skinned girls because of her skin color; a kinkier textured girl is upset a line of products seems to work more for looser textured).

Context seriously matters. We are bombarded everyday by media and other things telling us a certain standard of beauty is valued, and the closer we are to it, the more we are valued. Sure, everyone gets a wrench thrown at them. That's fine and that's how life works. But when a wrench is thrown at you systemically, that is a much bigger problem (this is why reverse-racism is a fantasy). Suddenly, those little micro-aggressions against you aren't so "micro". For this reason, I get Jouelzy, even though her YouTube delivery may not have been the best.

I hope I make sense. This wasn't meant to offend anyone.
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Thank you so much for this post!! ITA agree with Jouelzy's video and I like her crass delivery (because I can be the same to prove my point) but I do agree that it's not for everyone. People fail to realize that when you possess attributes that give you a privilege, like lighter skin, wealth, being physically fit, etc. that people who do not have such things might criticize you because they know that it doesn't matter how much they criticize you, you will always be on the winning end. Is it right? Not at all, but just know that the same people who might pick on someone who has looser hair or light skin because as a whole, society as a whole still puts them on a pedestal. While I do think that we as women with kinky/coarse type 4 need to learn what works best for our hair, how is that possible when the so-called "natural hair community" as inclusive as it claims to be still perpetuates the notion that curl definition and elongation is what all natural hair should look like? As someone who has transitioned multiple times, I know exactly the frustrations that Jouelzy talks about as far as marketing of natural hair products, and to be honest, the things that work best for me are not even products designed for or marketed specifically for natural hair.

I had a similar discussion with my roommate earlier this year about assumptions and perceptions of Black women. My hair is naturally 4a/4b but I wear weaves most of the time, and my roommate's hair is 4a/4b too, but she wears her hair out in natural styles or braids most of the time. I'm dark skinned and she's light skinned with light eyes, however she made the point that men tend to be drawn to women like myself who wear their hair straightened or in long weaves because it's more of a conventional look. To be honest, based on what I've seen when we go out and how men on our campus fawn over her, I disagree with that. I think in general, most people, especially Black men have a preference for lighter skinned/looser haired women, and although she has type 4 hair, I think people are more willing to make a pass for someone like her because she has light skin and light eyes, as opposed to someone like myself who is darker skinned with traditional African features, even when I have a conventional hairstyle such as straightened hair or a weave. While I get her point that we still have eons to go for the general acceptance of natural especially type 4 natural hair on Black women, I think other factors contribute to what passes are given to people based on other aspects.
 
Interestingly enough, this has not been my experience. I've been natural my whole life. When the natural hair movement got rolling, I happily looked through the internet for anything that would help me manage my hair. Basically the only thing I could find, at the time, for my type 3 hair was Terry LeFlesh (sp?). Everything else was for the type 4 naturals. As time has passed, more type 3s have come out to play, but there is still LOTS of resources for the type 4s.
 
curlicarib said:
Interestingly enough, this has not been my experience. I've been natural my whole life. When the natural hair movement got rolling, I happily looked through the internet for anything that would help me manage my hair. Basically the only thing I could find, at the time, for my type 3 hair was Terry LeFlesh (sp?). Everything else was for the type 4 naturals. As time has passed, more type 3s have come out to play, but there is still LOTS of resources for the type 4s.
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What do you mean by resources for type 4? because most of the resources I see are for ways to make type 4 hair look like type 3 hair, not how to have healthy type 4 hair. :ohwell:
 
koolkittychick said:
What do you mean by resources for type 4? because most of the resources I see are for ways to make type 4 hair look like type 3 hair, not how to have healthy type 4 hair. :ohwell:
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Sorry, I don't get into wether or not people are trying to make their type 4 hair look like another hair type, but if you google "type 4 hair" lots of reaources pop up. About 232,000,000 results to be exact.
 
MsSanz92 said:
Thank you so much for this post!! ITA agree with Jouelzy's video and I like her crass delivery (because I can be the same to prove my point) but I do agree that it's not for everyone. People fail to realize that when you possess attributes that give you a privilege, like lighter skin, wealth, being physically fit, etc. that people who do not have such things might criticize you because they know that it doesn't matter how much they criticize you, you will always be on the winning end. Is it right? Not at all, but just know that the same people who might pick on someone who has looser hair or light skin because as a whole, society as a whole still puts them on a pedestal. While I do think that we as women with kinky/coarse type 4 need to learn what works best for our hair, how is that possible when the so-called "natural hair community" as inclusive as it claims to be still perpetuates the notion that curl definition and elongation is what all natural hair should look like? As someone who has transitioned multiple times, I know exactly the frustrations that Jouelzy talks about as far as marketing of natural hair products, and to be honest, the things that work best for me are not even products designed for or marketed specifically for natural hair.

I had a similar discussion with my roommate earlier this year about assumptions and perceptions of Black women. My hair is naturally 4a/4b but I wear weaves most of the time, and my roommate's hair is 4a/4b too, but she wears her hair out in natural styles or braids most of the time. I'm dark skinned and she's light skinned with light eyes, however she made the point that men tend to be drawn to women like myself who wear their hair straightened or in long weaves because it's more of a conventional look. To be honest, based on what I've seen when we go out and how men on our campus fawn over her, I disagree with that. I think in general, most people, especially Black men have a preference for lighter skinned/looser haired women, and although she has type 4 hair, I think people are more willing to make a pass for someone like her because she has light skin and light eyes, as opposed to someone like myself who is darker skinned with traditional African features, even when I have a conventional hairstyle such as straightened hair or a weave. While I get her point that we still have eons to go for the general acceptance of natural especially type 4 natural hair on Black women, I think other factors contribute to what passes are given to people based on other aspects.
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Hmmm…very interesting. I'm dark-skinned (think Gabriel Union's skin tone) and my husband is very bright skinned (he's mixed with quite a few things). He too prefers that I wear my natural hair straight because like you mentioned, it's more conventional. However, he loves African features and loves when I step out in the sun and roast because to him it's very exotic. Makes no sense right? Anyhoo, I honestly think all men are different and are not as influenced by media as we think.
 
I'm not going to start a new thread about it but I recently posted a hair inspiration thread (Jo-Stylin) on Youtube. She is a 4b/4c very very long hair girl. The response was minimal compared to when I posted Teaundra on Youtube (curly to straight) video thread. It was even minimal compared to a recent thread about a 3b/c hair inspiration. That thread got double the responses. In my thread, I posted that Jo Stylin should have more subbies. I didn't say this in the post but I feel that the reason that she doesn't have more subscribers is texture discrimination within our own community. Someone mentioned that she stopped making hair vlogs for awhile and that may be partly why but if she was 3bc people would still be coming in droves.

I can wear my real hair out and people don't have anything positive to say but when I wear a curly wig I get tons of compliments. I think that it sucks and I wish that there was more support for my hair type on this board and IRL. Not that I am looking for affirmation from others because I'm not but sometimes it does feel like we are ignored. So I appreciate this vlog from Jouelzy.

I was on the fence about relaxing (not due to my hair type because I love my hair) but the properties (fine strands, low po, and tangly from root to tip). I've finally made a decision to stay natural because I do want to continue to learn how to care for and rep 4c hair.
 
I agree with her article. I stopped watching the video after two minutes though. She talks too fast and rolls her eyes up to the ceiling too much.
 
SunRai Naturals said:
I'm not going to start a new thread about it but I recently posted a hair inspiration thread (Jo-Stylin) on Youtube. She is a 4b/4c very very long hair girl. The response was minimal compared to when I posted Teaundra on Youtube (curly to straight) video thread. It was even minimal compared to a recent thread about a 3b/c hair inspiration. That thread got double the responses. In my thread, I posted that Jo Stylin should have more subbies. I didn't say this in the post but I feel that the reason that she doesn't have more subscribers is texture discrimination within our own community. Someone mentioned that she stopped making hair vlogs for awhile and that may be partly why but if she was 3bc people would still be coming in droves.

I can wear my real hair out and people don't have anything positive to say but when I wear a curly wig I get tons of compliments. I think that it sucks and I wish that there was more support for my hair type on this board and IRL. Not that I am looking for affirmation from others because I'm not but sometimes it does feel like we are ignored. So I appreciate this vlog from Jouelzy.

I was on the fence about relaxing (not due to my hair type because I love my hair) but the properties (fine strands, low po, and tangly from root to tip). I've finally made a decision to stay natural because I do want to continue to learn how to care for and rep 4c hair.
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SunRai Naturals

I have to say I appreciate this post and that thank you is not enough :yep:.
 
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