Tried Apex last night and I don't like it. I used the same exact products I use any other time except I swapped the Sabino for the Apex. My hair feels drier and it didn't do much for reversion. Now I didn't apply section by section so maybe that has something to do with it. I'm thinking about trying Cantu shea butter leave in before blow drying/flat ironing next time. It says it's a heat protectant.
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texasqt
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Update: I heat trained at 450 degrees with 10 passes (5 in areas with looser curl pattern) a week ago and washed this weekend. Well....
Pre-Wash vs. Post-Wash
In other words, my hair laughs at 450!
Results: There is a difference in the way my hair feels and behaves. I still have the same small curls but instead of my hair curling on itself it is a little looser. My hair was easier to detangle and blow drying didn't rip my hair out. I was able to style my hair in one pass of the flat iron. I'm happy with it and I don't see a need to reheat train before a month's time, maybe even longer, and then I will only train the new growth. My next update will be what my WnG now looks like. More pics in my Fotki (you have to be a Fotki member and the PW is in my profile).
I do not recommend that you did what I did but it worked for me!
Pre-Wash vs. Post-Wash
In other words, my hair laughs at 450!
Results: There is a difference in the way my hair feels and behaves. I still have the same small curls but instead of my hair curling on itself it is a little looser. My hair was easier to detangle and blow drying didn't rip my hair out. I was able to style my hair in one pass of the flat iron. I'm happy with it and I don't see a need to reheat train before a month's time, maybe even longer, and then I will only train the new growth. My next update will be what my WnG now looks like. More pics in my Fotki (you have to be a Fotki member and the PW is in my profile).
I do not recommend that you did what I did but it worked for me!
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DDTexlaxed
TRANSITION OVER! 11-22-14
Update: I heat trained at 450 degrees with 10 passes (5 in areas with looser curl pattern) a week ago and washed this weekend. Well....
Pre-Wash vs. Post-Wash
In other words, my hair laughs at 450!
Results: There is a difference in the way my hair feels and behaves. I still have the same small curls but instead of my hair curling on itself it is a little looser. My hair was easier to detangle and blow drying didn't rip my hair out. I was able to style my hair in one pass of the flat iron. I'm happy with it and I don't see a need to reheat train before a month's time, maybe even longer, and then I will only train the new growth. My next update will be what my WnG now looks like. More pics in my Fotki (you have to be a Fotki member and the PW is in my profile).
I do not recommend that you did what I did but it worked for me!
She only retouches once a month.
BTW, your hair is gorgeous!
halee_J
Don't worry be happy
You mean with a pressing comb? I have, with an electric one, Napp does as well, she has much more experience with it
I think I may have fairly resistant hair as well, I've done it on my ng (I'm transitioning) about 4x, with Apex pressing oil. My ng became a little easier to manage, and frizzes less now, but no noticeable change in texture to me.
kbragg
Well-Known Member
Ok I don't know what I did wrong LOL! I did 20 passes at 10 on my Maxiglide (goes up to 425) and my hair laughed
I also tried the Organix BKT and it did nothing.
Now my hair does come out very nice when I flat iron BUT maintaining a straight style is not realistic given my very active lifestyle. I'm more interested in getting enough of a texture change to eliminate the SSK's so I can retain some length. Maybe I'm gonna have to go old school with a pressing comb and stove because my hair is laughing at all my attempts. I'd rather not have to relax/texlax because my scalp can't handle no matter how well I base it Suggestions?
I also tried the Organix BKT and it did nothing.Now my hair does come out very nice when I flat iron BUT maintaining a straight style is not realistic given my very active lifestyle. I'm more interested in getting enough of a texture change to eliminate the SSK's so I can retain some length. Maybe I'm gonna have to go old school with a pressing comb and stove because my hair is laughing at all my attempts. I'd rather not have to relax/texlax because my scalp can't handle no matter how well I base it
Suggestions?
DDTexlaxed
TRANSITION OVER! 11-22-14
Ok I don't know what I did wrong LOL! I did 20 passes at 10 on my Maxiglide (goes up to 425) and my hair laughed
Now my hair does come out very nice when I flat iron BUT maintaining a straight style is not realistic given my very active lifestyle. I'm more interested in getting enough of a texture change to eliminate the SSK's so I can retain some length. Maybe I'm gonna have to go old school with a pressing comb and stove because my hair is laughing at all my attempts. I'd rather not have to relax/texlax because my scalp can't handle no matter how well I base it
I am jealous of you because I can't get my hair strait at all.
I wish my hair was long enough to bun. I was able to get rid of my single strand knots by using aloe vera juice in my hair as a detangling agent.
Napp
In hair purgatory
I have given myself a hard press using an electric comb. Press first and then flat iron. I thinking about going the marcel route too because i tried to press my hair with the electric comb yesterday using the same tools,technique and products and i got blow out results. I think its the humidity.
I have no idea how to work with the blow out look. I tried to do a bantu knot out and my hair was just a fluffy mass of hair when i took them out. My hair is in two french braids and i dont feel cute
im thinking about getting a nice wig and just pressing my edges. I miss my swang swang
I have no idea how to work with the blow out look. I tried to do a bantu knot out and my hair was just a fluffy mass of hair when i took them out. My hair is in two french braids and i dont feel cute
im thinking about getting a nice wig and just pressing my edges. I miss my swang swang 
BlaqBella
Well-Known Member
Napp when I reach full apl I'm going to love me some blow outs. Cause I will use a little leave-in (creamy) or some styling agent with maybe my butter mix and maybe some oil (little) for some nice braid outs and twist outs. Since my hair is somewhat thin, this will be an ideal way to give the illusion of more volume.
Napp
In hair purgatory
BlaqBella my hair is on the thin side too which is why i do not like the inbetween/blowout look. it makes my hair look poofy yet thin especially at the ends
perhaps it would be better if i had a 100% blunt cut.a little bit of water and grease on blowdried hair gives me the GOAT bantu knot outs though
i think i just like the look of my hair when its compacted.(tight bantu knots and rollersets) that way it doesnt look thin.although full apl is great. its the most fun length so far. i can still wear my hair short and cute
and im just a press a way to being glamourous
Loves Harmony
Well-Known Member
Hello Ladies! I decided that i was going to start using heat. I am so tired of these SSK. I am tired of wearing puff and the shrinkage. I have a pretty good blowdryer. Just need to invest in a good flatiron.... Any recommends?
Napp
In hair purgatory
vkb247 so how was the lineage?
i personally have let up on the heat for now because i cant figure how to keep my hair straight. last year i didnt have this issue and i wore my hair straight in the summer. i think i might get some braids and straight pressing when october/nov rolls around.
Loves Harmony i thinking of getting a croc 2 infared iron. i hear many reviews saying that the hair doesnt revert when they use this. it seems pretty good!
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vkb247
Well-Known Member
Napp I love the linange. It's the first time in my journey that I haven't had to mix my relaxer, mix my neutralizer, or get a seperate product as a protein pre-neutralizing step. The texturizer has protein in it, I left that on for 20 minutes because my hair is resistant. Than the neutralizing conditioner also has protein in it which is why I skipped the pre-neutralizing protein step. All I used was these two products and follwed the directions exaclty for once!
My hair definitely felt like I had a protein treatment afterward so I've been using more moisture to offset that (I didn't dc afterwards) and I was freaking out a bit when my hair was wet because it felt so straight. But my hair curled right back up when it was dry plus it hangs and moves now. I'm very happy.
My hair definitely felt like I had a protein treatment afterward so I've been using more moisture to offset that (I didn't dc afterwards) and I was freaking out a bit when my hair was wet because it felt so straight. But my hair curled right back up when it was dry plus it hangs and moves now. I'm very happy.
Etherealsmile
Well-Known Member
Lynnerie I just bought mine from this website
http://www.beautyofnewyork.com/shopping/MPIC100308KH0230.htm
I'm so tired of dealing with the stubborness that is my hair, i'm starting classes in about 19 days and I just can't seem to find a solution to dealing with my natural hair. I've been growing it out for almost 2 yrs now and the longer it gets, the more it seems I can't do anything with it in terms of style and ease of wear. I want to enjoy my hair but i'm finding every reason under the sun to not wear it out because it dries out so quickly and tangles like no body's business. The ssk's are nothing nice
I really wish i could remain a natural but my hair is just not working out like want it to, I sure wish i wasn't so style challenged or that i could wear natural styles that fit my features but most natural styles i've tried just look so wrong on me.
I tried heat training to deal with the ssk's but quickly found this was not the solution i wanted. I'm going to texturize and hope the stress of hair is taken out of the equation. With all the work i have ahead of me i can't afford to be worrying about my hair every single day
. I'll let you ladies know when I receive and texturize my hair 
Rocky91
A work in progress
I've been thinking about heat training in the fall all summer.
recently i did a flat-iron job that made me realize just how easily trained my hair is. the iron was on 450 and i did it with no heat protectant and no prior DC'ing, which was pretty dumb. i dislike the straight pieces and the weak feeling my ends have, so i definitely won't be training in that way. i'm gonna try to grow that out, and i already chopped a bit.
i think the best method for me is probably to continue what i do now, which is blowdrying and/or flatironing once a month, with heat protectant, on about 400. that keeps my texture looser than it would be otherwise, and still coily enough for me.
so i'll be peeking in this thread every once in a while.
recently i did a flat-iron job that made me realize just how easily trained my hair is. the iron was on 450 and i did it with no heat protectant and no prior DC'ing, which was pretty dumb. i dislike the straight pieces and the weak feeling my ends have, so i definitely won't be training in that way. i'm gonna try to grow that out, and i already chopped a bit.
i think the best method for me is probably to continue what i do now, which is blowdrying and/or flatironing once a month, with heat protectant, on about 400. that keeps my texture looser than it would be otherwise, and still coily enough for me.
so i'll be peeking in this thread every once in a while.
vkb247
Well-Known Member
Sorry I don't have any new pics of my hair. To be honest I swear my hair texture hasn't really changed. People still think I'm natural and I can wear a fro. But my hair falls almost completely straight when I stand under the shower and it has more movement when dry. It's much more controllable if that makes sense.
BlaqBella
Well-Known Member
Loves Harmony I don't know your price range but..I have a cortex platinum 1 & 1/4 in. and I got it from t.j. maxx for $30.
It works pretty well for my fine 4b/a hair (I just had to learn that my hair needs more protein because of the process).
It has a temp. setting from 140-450 degrees and I've had it for nearly a year.
I like it cause it doesn't seem to be as low quality as (wal-mart conairs, etc.) and some others; it's heavy but not too heavy. It has 100% solid ceramic/ionic plates.
I used it for the longest time at about 300-350 degrees. I now use it at 400.
I'm another one whose texture has hardly changed. I still have a head of coils.
It works pretty well for my fine 4b/a hair (I just had to learn that my hair needs more protein because of the process).
It has a temp. setting from 140-450 degrees and I've had it for nearly a year.
I like it cause it doesn't seem to be as low quality as (wal-mart conairs, etc.) and some others; it's heavy but not too heavy. It has 100% solid ceramic/ionic plates.
I used it for the longest time at about 300-350 degrees. I now use it at 400.
I'm another one whose texture has hardly changed. I still have a head of coils.
Loveygram
Active Member
I am jealous of you because I can't get my hair strait at all.
DDTexlaxed
Hey Lady I see retention in your new siggy
Congrats!Remember, every head is different. You might have to train longer to start seeing straighter results. Also you may have to work in very small sections.
Best wishes
Zay-neey
New Member
ive succesfully trained my hair!!
i blow dried on cool, flat ironed on 390, did 10 passes. my hair went from 4a to 3c.
not as wavy, as brittanynic16's , but my plan was just to train it, so that i can use a low heat when straightening. my hair still acts like my 4a hair, just hangs more.
i will just heat train my roots every 4 weeks.
and straighten weekly on a low temp of 320 (brittanynic does the same)
BTW my hair straightens easily, i dont have heat resistant hair. Its coarse, but when its properly moisturized , straightens so ez. probably why one session is all i needed.
Im glad it got trained it one session, i dont like using high heat so often, i just know i will get major breakage from that!!
nd using heat made my hair take in moisture better!! A good Plus !!
I Hope you guys are successful too !!
i blow dried on cool, flat ironed on 390, did 10 passes. my hair went from 4a to 3c.
not as wavy, as brittanynic16's , but my plan was just to train it, so that i can use a low heat when straightening. my hair still acts like my 4a hair, just hangs more.
i will just heat train my roots every 4 weeks.
and straighten weekly on a low temp of 320 (brittanynic does the same)
BTW my hair straightens easily, i dont have heat resistant hair. Its coarse, but when its properly moisturized , straightens so ez. probably why one session is all i needed.
Im glad it got trained it one session, i dont like using high heat so often, i just know i will get major breakage from that!!
nd using heat made my hair take in moisture better!! A good Plus !!
I Hope you guys are successful too !!
DDTexlaxed
TRANSITION OVER! 11-22-14
Please share your regimen. I hope to have hair long enough to bun in the autumn. I'm close now, but it is too short on the other side.
Until then, I will protective style my way to that length.
Until then, I will protective style my way to that length.
Zay-neey
New Member
update: after watching brittanynic wet hair video. I think I'm going to go for her wavy look. So I'm going to do a another 1 or 2 sessions. Upping the heat to 430. Thats because after a dc, my hair snapped back to 4a. my goal is to do it in one session, so ill b experimenting with heat setting
But my regimen is pre poo with grape seed oil, wash with ors creamy aloe. Deep condition with bioinfusion conditioning balm using moptopmaven's xtreme deep conditiong method (youtube). Use bb oil moisturizer as leave in and garnier sleek and shine serum as heat protectant nd anti frizz. Then blow dry in small sections on cool. Then flat iron .
But my regimen is pre poo with grape seed oil, wash with ors creamy aloe. Deep condition with bioinfusion conditioning balm using moptopmaven's xtreme deep conditiong method (youtube). Use bb oil moisturizer as leave in and garnier sleek and shine serum as heat protectant nd anti frizz. Then blow dry in small sections on cool. Then flat iron .
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FemmeCreole
Island Gyal
I straightened tonight
virtuenow
Well-Known Member
@Zay-neey & texasqt 10 passes? Do you have a video demonstrating this? I asked Brittany about the 10 pass but have yet to see it in action. How do you do this w/o burning your fingers or hair? I'm quite baffled. The most I can find on youtube is someone bkting w/3-5 passes.ive succesfully trained my hair!!
i blow dried on cool, flat ironed on 390, did 10 passes. my hair went from 4a to 3c.
not as wavy, as brittanynic16's , but my plan was just to train it, so that i can use a low heat when straightening. my hair still acts like my 4a hair, just hangs more.
i will just heat train my roots every 4 weeks.
and straighten weekly on a low temp of 320 (brittanynic does the same)
BTW my hair straightens easily, i dont have heat resistant hair. Its coarse, but when its properly moisturized , straightens so ez. probably why one session is all i needed.
Im glad it got trained it one session, i dont like using high heat so often, i just know i will get major breakage from that!!
nd using heat made my hair take in moisture better!! A good Plus !!
I Hope you guys are successful too !!
Oh yeah, and how do you know the one session took? Have you done multiple washes. The reason I ask is b/c it usually takes more than one wash for the "straight" effects to wear off. It takes a more involved process to achieve heat trained hair.
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texasqt
Well-Known Member
virtuenow - I use the comb chase method which allows me to not use my hands. I don't have a video but I found this one BKT video on YT that's similar to the method I use. Skip to 4:00. I use a very quick swipe and I choose 10 because my hair is somewhat resistant. I think I swipe even faster than what the video shows. Just remember to never allow the heat to just sit on your hair at that high temperature.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpTdVPGyq1E&feature=related
I don't know if the one session made a permanent change. I'd like to think so since I did it at such a high temperature. I was going for a one session change and didn't want to have to retreat the same hair over and over again. My hair still has a lot of texture but a bit more manageable and easier to detangle. I like it that way. I think I wore my hair for a month and washed at least weekly and the looser curl pattern remained. If it has returned to it's original state, I guess I will have to do it again but I really don't foresee that happening. I'll update when I stop wearing my braids but that won't be until December. Trying to get over that APL hump. HHJ!
