LET'S FIND A NEW NAME FOR HEAT TRAINING!

[Rei]

I wasn't saying you weren't - my comment wasn't referring to anyone on the thread.

I don't think there is anything wrong with it, but it is what it is - People shouldn't crucify another for anything they do to their own hair.

Agreed...

I understand the science of how if your hair isn't pretty much as-is when you were born, in terms of you altering the texture, then it is technically damaged, as in not like the original. I'm just kind of tired of every single heat training thread having a million people come in like WELL ITS HEAT DAMAGE, when they sit up in relaxer threads like 'gorgeous hair, its so healthy' :U

This chemistry majoring and technicalities only come about in these threads, lol

 

[colibri972]

Would you say an ice cube is damaged water or that heated shea butter or oil is damaged. You can use a physical property like heat to temporarily re-arrange a chemical structure. Ex. Shea butter is usually solid a room temperature. If you heat it it turns to a soft butter use more heat and it turns into an oil. If you cool it the shea butter returns to its solid form.

However, if you use an extreme of a physical property ex. fire then the structure may be totally damaged or destroyed(none of the former characteristics are present=burnt). Ex. the shea butter is heated to point of being scorched so it is now none of the physical properties of the shea butter remain. So the key to thermal restructuring is to control the amount of heat so as not the permanently burn the hair.There may be some flaws in my example but I hope you get the gist of what I wrote.


I guess I dont understand. Did Brittany want the OP to do this? She usually is very good about speaking for herself.

Do what's best for your hair. There is not one method that will work for everyone.

The OP (me) would like to know what you mean by "this"?

I sent a mail to Brittany (the one on the first page), I waited for a response, I waited she talks about this idea first on her channel, then I opened this thread.

So if "this" means "open a thread about heat training", she wasn't against...

If you watch Brittany's channel she does suggest lower temperatures and fewer passes for fine hair. She only does her new growth with more than 2 passes and then may use one pass on the heat trained hair.

First error: I've assumed that everybody would did some research on her method. (as you did)
When I read about a new product on LHCF, Nappturality or BHM, I don't try it or I don't bash it until I read the ingredients.
Until I understood How it works.
Same for hair care technique (baggying, steaming, banding...)
Same for member hair recipe.


I may be stupid but I never read about someone who thought to heat train as she does:

Here is some informations that her book will contain:
"BOOK WILL INCLUDE:

EASY TO FOLLOW HEAT TRAINING GUIDE
To help determine your proper temperature and passes

PROPER CARE OF HEAT TRAINED HAIR
A suggested hair care routine for proper maintenance and maximum potential

ADVANCED TECHNIQUES
Learn to go months between training sessions and get the final results in 1 session

AND MUCH MORE!!!!"

Sorry I should have say: Warning marketing content

A process ( to minimize the risks, like "wash your hair in braids to minimize tangles" for the natural ladies or "mix relaxer with oil or protein conditioner to buy time and avoid burning or over processing" for the relaxed one ), care for heat processed hair, and something that look like stretching lol

She is the first one to have developped a technique, a regimen for heat training, so it's new.

Second error:
I should have say "let's find a name for the Brittany's way to heat train"

Third error:
I should have ask only to the heat trainers or people interested by her method.
But I hate sectarianism, it produces close minded people with an injustified high opinion of themselves.

 

[Rei]

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[Chaosbutterfly]

heat training is heat damage though (and we are all ok about this even heat trainers)... so why ya'll trying to dress it up all UGLY?

"false advertisement" and "positive misleading name"...
nice sugar coating for "lies"

So our hair technique is not respectable, we are liars, and we dive the stary -eyed, lamb like, virginal newbie in corruption (debauchery is not far, wait for it)

No really heat is the devil!

I'm not trying to dress it up ugly. I just think it should be left the way it is. I have nothing against heat trainers or heat training...if it's letting you retain length and you're happy with it, then by all means, do you.
What I'm against is repackaging it to make it sound like it's some new thing, and then trying to sell it to newbies, who may not realize that you're just talking about heat training. That's exactly like what another poster was talking about with Miss Jessie's Silkener...many people don't even realize that it's essentially a relaxer, because it's been repackaged with this adorable name.

If you were to get robbed, would you call the police and be like, "ohh I am in need of desperate assistance. Someone entered my home without my express permission and proceeded to thoroughly relieve me of my money and belongings"? No, you would be like. "help, my home was broken into and I was robbed". I just feel like folks should speak straight and call things as they are...it's easier for everyone.

Also, don't be mad. No one's calling you a liar or saying that you're into debauchery or whatever. We're just having a discussion on the internets.

This is the misunderstanding. Some people seem to think this is some back door attempt to get swing. There is no swing in my hair and it does revert. Furthermore relaxing isn't damage- hair can become damaged as a result of the relaxing process but relaxing hair in and of itself is not damage.

Lol, if applying a corrosive substance to the hair and leaving it to destroy the protein bonds in there isn't damage, then I don't know what is. You can control the amount of damage that is done to your hair by the relaxer through a variety of methods, but since relaxing permanently alters the protein bonds in the hair, then I definitely see it as inherently damaging.

Would you say an ice cube is damaged water or that heated shea butter or oil is damaged. You can use a physical property like heat to temporarily re-arrange a chemical structure. Ex. Shea butter is usually solid a room temperature. If you heat it it turns to a soft butter use more heat and it turns into an oil. If you cool it the shea butter returns to its solid form.

However, if you use an extreme of a physical property ex. fire then the structure may be totally damaged or destroyed(none of the former characteristics are present=burnt). Ex. the shea butter is heated to point of being scorched so it is now none of the physical properties of the shea butter remain. So the key to thermal restructuring is to control the amount of heat so as not the permanently burn the hair.There may be some flaws in my example but I hope you get the gist of what I wrote.

But heat training is not temporary....it's not like melting and refreezing an ice cube. It's permanent...your hair is never going to go back to the way it was when it came out of your head. For people who have heat trained their hair, the only way to regain their God-given texture is to transition. So I don't really understand the analogy. I mean...with heat training, the point is to permanently alter the texture, even if only slightly so.

 

[Fine 4s]

I dont have a clear understanding of what 'heat training' is, as I use high temps on my hair fairly often, and have never had any changes to my curl pattern.

However, if the hair is long, thick, looks beautiful/healthy and stays that way, I wouldn't mind it being 'damaged'!
Imo, these are not characteristics of 'damaged' hair.

Bingo! Not to mention the fact that some of us take pride in how we've nursed our hair to health and long lengths. Now we have to listen to someone saying that our heat trained hair is damaged?! Awww heeeyaaaalll now. To folks like us, LHCF'er, dem fighting words lol

Hence, the disagreement on this board.
Because 'damaged' doesn't fit in out minds, we reject it. So...I say we leave it alone cuz we're all going to have different views on this one....
This thread assumes we all agree on the meaning. Only those who agree with the perspective that heat trained hair is NOT damaged hair, should or can make a meaningful contribute IMHO.

Good luck OP'er!

 

[starfish79]

What's wrong with heat training? Isn't that what the process is so why change it?

What's in a name? that which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet

 

[Muse]

I'm just happy that I got a chance to read a thread that could potentially be shut down before it does!

But on your first point, people make big bucks re-inventing information that already exists so why not? Whether she invented a method, a whole process or not, it's all in the packaging...marketing. As she mentioned, some people want to know so....give them what they want. This reminds me of when Pinkskates had her website and required payment to join. Folks were scratching their heads like uhmmmm 'ain't this the same information we can get on LHCF or BHM etc. for free?' She, was marketing herself (or hair.) Anyway, my 2 pennies....

But where on this board can I find someone with Brittany's success with heat training who takes the time to explain their technique? Please post the links. Only flat iron tutorials I can find are ladies who only flat iron 1-2xs/year.

 

[MissMusic]

I think heat trained is a great name for the process, it is a term that describes exactly what is being done.

 

[Fine 4s]

But where on this board can I find someone with Brittany's success with heat training who takes the time to explain their technique? Please post the links. Only flat iron tutorials I can find are ladies who only flat iron 1-2xs/year.

Yeah that's the problem. You might have to deduce what her 'technique' is from watching her YT vids or talking to her supporters. Send emails to the folks who comment on her videos.

Perhaps one of Brittany's followers can tell you what her technique is (like OP.) Folks may do the same things as Brittany but not call it heat training but will say I flat iron every X consistently. UNLESS Brittany does something specific (which I am not aware of), I think the key thing is consistency. For example Pinkskates (I'm not sure she is on the board anymore) used to press her hair regularly and consistently which altered her natural hair texture and she grew her hair to long lengths and it appeared to be healthy. I'd put Longhairdontcare in that category as well.

As you mentioned, I'm not sure what other naturals from apply heat regularly and consistently. I've only noticed those that straighten on occasion. Someone should suggest names to you....

Otherwise just apply some heat starting at a low 300 or however low you want to go while getting acceptable straightening results, then increase over time. 'Over time' could be ever 3-4 weeks etc etc. But be consistent and stay up with your PTs and moisture DCs etc etc. Over time you'll notice a change in your texture. So long as the heat is not a drastic change or shock to your hair and your heat appliances supply uniform heat, you should be ok erplexed? A Brittany follower should really chime in on this for ya.....

HTH!

 

[30something]

But where on this board can I find someone with Brittany's success with heat training who takes the time to explain their technique? Please post the links. Only flat iron tutorials I can find are ladies who only flat iron 1-2xs/year.

A heat trainer's support thread would help
I don't think there is anything like that out there

 

[Fhrizzball]

There was a straight natural's thread a while back. I don't know what ever happened to it though.

 

[Poohbear]

Hello LHCF ladies,

There is a few days I send this mail to Brittanny and I'm so happy to hear that she thinks it's a good idea:

Quote:
what's about to open a thread about the creation of a vocabulary that belong to the "new- neo heat training" ladies?
it would be great to let the ladies find new expression for the process itself and for the others things (like the hair care)

You can't talk about "ht" without someone come and tell "HT is bull**** you dammage your hair that's all!"
or "you try to fool people around and make them think it's your natural texture!"

I have the feeling that "HT" words don't belong to the NEW- NEO"HT" community that you will create with your book... (far from me the idea to tell you how to do your job lol)

It's like "texlaxed" and "underprocessing".
Underprocessing belong to everybody, and it's not really a positive word (you think about tangle, failed relaxer, not healthy hair) but behind "texlaxed", you can feel the process is intentional (it's not an accident that's what I wanted),the goal (I want to give a new texture to my hair that it's not bone straight) and the tool used to meet it (relaxer), texlaxed belong to the ladies with an education about how to care about hair.


I strongly believe new hair group= new words.

When I read it again I realize that I sound a bit harsh but all I said in this message I read it on the web when I searched for information about heat training.

I was shocked by the "you try to fool people around" blah blah... I don't believe that heat trained ladies do this on this purpose really.
Until today, all the heat trained ladies speak freely about their true hair texture.


Sooo, you dont have to be a heat trainers, you don't have to be a heat lovers... Just be CREATIVE!
and yes you can be natural, relaxed,texturized, texlaxed, bkted or bald too!



(I know we will have some "frylaxing" lol but hey, it's part of the game!)

LHCF is one of the best place to ask because on this board ladies are educated and open minded!

The following words have been proposed:

heatlax, thermal texturizing, thermal straightening , Mechanical Loosening, neo press, helax , thermalaxing....

And many more! You can read them all here:

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

They are in the comment section.


ok ok...

The mic is open...

 

[colibri972]

But where on this board can I find someone with Brittany's success with heat training who takes the time to explain their technique? Please post the links. Only flat iron tutorials I can find are ladies who only flat iron 1-2xs/year.

Hello Muse,
on this board you will find a few people with brittany's success with heat training.
The lastest is Mecca_Goddess, her technique is on the first page.
http://www.longhaircareforum.com/hair-care-tips-product-review-discussion/512827-heat-trained-natural-4b-progess-pics.html

On youtube you have this lady:1mits1

YouTube - heat training natural hair tutorial
I love the introduction of her video.

YouTube - Q&A for heat training

and brytanny's how to

YouTube - How I Heat Train- Video 1 Prep Work

YouTube - How I Heat Train- Video 2 The Process

YouTube - How I Heat Train- Video 3 The Results

Look at the video and you will see no need to be Hercule Poirot or Sherlock Holmes to understand how to heat train properly.

There is a lot of other people who heat train but you ask for people with result and regimen so I thought to those ladies.

Reach your desired hair texture can take at least 1 month (but it's more usually).

Britanny has a specific way to heat train, she reaches her texture in one session now.

A heat trainer's support thread would help I don't think there is anything like that out there

I wonder why?...
Maybe one day... Would you dare open it 20something? lool

 

[LaFemmeNaturelle]

Hello Muse,
on this board you will find a few people with brittany's success with heat training.
The lastest is Mecca_Goddess, her technique is on the first page.
http://www.longhaircareforum.com/hair-care-tips-product-review-discussion/512827-heat-trained-natural-4b-progess-pics.html

On youtube you have this lady:1mits1

YouTube - heat training natural hair tutorial
I love the introduction of her video.

YouTube - Q&A for heat training

and brytanny's how to

YouTube - How I Heat Train- Video 1 Prep Work

YouTube - How I Heat Train- Video 2 The Process

YouTube - How I Heat Train- Video 3 The Results

Look at the video and you will see no need to be Hercule Poirot or Sherlock Holmes to understand how to heat train properly.

There is a lot of other people who heat train but you ask for people with result and regimen so I thought to those ladies.

Reach your desired hair texture can take at least 1 month (but it's more usually).

Britanny has a specific way to heat train, she reaches her texture in one session now.



I wonder why?...
Maybe one day... Would you dare open it 20something? lool

I think you should open it. I'm sure it is much needed for women on the board as well as lurkers.

 

[Kash]

Yeah that's the problem. You might have to deduce what her 'technique' is from watching her YT vids or talking to her supporters. Send emails to the folks who comment on her videos.

Perhaps one of Brittany's followers can tell you what her technique is (like OP.) Folks may do the same things as Brittany but not call it heat training but will say I flat iron every X consistently. UNLESS Brittany does something specific (which I am not aware of), I think the key thing is consistency. For example Pinkskates (I'm not sure she is on the board anymore) used to press her hair regularly and consistently which altered her natural hair texture and she grew her hair to long lengths and it appeared to be healthy. I'd put Longhairdontcare in that category as well.

As you mentioned, I'm not sure what other naturals from apply heat regularly and consistently. I've only noticed those that straighten on occasion. Someone should suggest names to you....

Otherwise just apply some heat starting at a low 300 or however low you want to go while getting acceptable straightening results, then increase over time. 'Over time' could be ever 3-4 weeks etc etc. But be consistent and stay up with your PTs and moisture DCs etc etc. Over time you'll notice a change in your texture. So long as the heat is not a drastic change or shock to your hair and your heat appliances supply uniform heat, you should be ok erplexed? A Brittany follower should really chime in on this for ya.....

HTH!

Hmmmm...I don't know. I thouhgt if the hair shrunk up when wet, that the hair texture has not been altered by the heat. I was a member of her website and blog, and I saw pics of her her shruken up when wet.

 

[DDTexlaxed]

The OP (me) would like to know what you mean by "this"?

I sent a mail to Brittany (the one on the first page), I waited for a response, I waited she talks about this idea first on her channel, then I opened this thread.

So if "this" means "open a thread about heat training", she wasn't against...




First error: I've assumed that everybody would did some research on her method. (as you did)
When I read about a new product on LHCF, Nappturality or BHM, I don't try it or I don't bash it until I read the ingredients.
Until I understood How it works.
Same for hair care technique (baggying, steaming, banding...)
Same for member hair recipe.


I may be stupid but I never read about someone who thought to heat train as she does:

Here is some informations that her book will contain:
"BOOK WILL INCLUDE:

EASY TO FOLLOW HEAT TRAINING GUIDE
To help determine your proper temperature and passes

PROPER CARE OF HEAT TRAINED HAIR
A suggested hair care routine for proper maintenance and maximum potential

ADVANCED TECHNIQUES
Learn to go months between training sessions and get the final results in 1 session

AND MUCH MORE!!!!"

Sorry I should have say: Warning marketing content

A process ( to minimize the risks, like "wash your hair in braids to minimize tangles" for the natural ladies or "mix relaxer with oil or protein conditioner to buy time and avoid burning or over processing" for the relaxed one ), care for heat processed hair, and something that look like stretching lol

She is the first one to have developped a technique, a regimen for heat training, so it's new.

Second error:
I should have say "let's find a name for the Brittany's way to heat train"

Third error:
I should have ask only to the heat trainers or people interested by her method.
But I hate sectarianism, it produces close minded people with an injustified high opinion of themselves.

**********************************************************
This quote is on fire!... Hey, can you help me get that pressing iron, too?giggle:

 

[Muse]

Hello Muse,
on this board you will find a few people with brittany's success with heat training.
The lastest is Mecca_Goddess, her technique is on the first page.
http://www.longhaircareforum.com/ha...827-heat-trained-natural-4b-progess-pics.html

On youtube you have this lady:1mits1

YouTube - heat training natural hair tutorial
I love the introduction of her video.

YouTube - Q&A for heat training

and brytanny's how to

YouTube - How I Heat Train- Video 1 Prep Work

YouTube - How I Heat Train- Video 2 The Process

YouTube - How I Heat Train- Video 3 The Results

Look at the video and you will see no need to be Hercule Poirot or Sherlock Holmes to understand how to heat train properly.

There is a lot of other people who heat train but you ask for people with result and regimen so I thought to those ladies.

Reach your desired hair texture can take at least 1 month (but it's more usually).

Britanny has a specific way to heat train, she reaches her texture in one session now.



I wonder why?...
Maybe one day... Would you dare open it 20something? lool

Thanks for the links. I can't believe I missed the Mecca_Goddess thread! Her before 4b hair is the same texture as mines is now. Well I'm loosening up a bit but man her hair looks great.

 

[Fine 4s]

Hmmmm...I don't know. I thouhgt if the hair shrunk up when wet, that the hair texture has not been altered by the heat. I was a member of her website and blog, and I saw pics of her her shruken up when wet.

I can't address what's on or was on her website since I've never visited.
But I don't believe that heat trained hair can't shrink if that's what you mean. When my hair was heat trained it shrunk although (and for obvious reasons) not as much as it does today.

 

[Fine 4s]

BTW, I'd prefer a pressing comb that can heat up on the stove or in the marcel than an electrical one. I did that some years ago and that jacked up my hair! Bad experience.
With a regular comb, you can test how hot it is with a tissue...

 

[BostonMaria]

How about we just sing the Heat Miser song. Its just so much more fun than admitting our hair is on FIYAH

YouTube - Heat Miser Song - The Year Without a Santa Claus 1974

 

[AHeadOfCoils]

I don't know if it's been suggested because I don't care to read anything besides the first page but "Thermalax" would be nice..

I don't think it should be called heat training because that gives people the notion that they are just training their hair to straighten easily with heat. That is not the case, it's more of a thermal relaxing in a sense. I looking at that ladys youtube and she said that she was a 4b prior to thermalaxing and now her wet hair looks as though it's a 2 or 3 something. It's definitely comparable to relaxing the hair's natural curl pattern as opposed to just training the hair to straighten easier. The name needs to reflect that.

 

[DDTexlaxed]

I'd like Brit to also show a person heat training with shorter hair. It sure would help me out!

 

[Solitude]

I can't address what's on or was on her website since I've never visited.
But I don't believe that heat trained hair can't shrink if that's what you mean. When my hair was heat trained it shrunk although (and for obvious reasons) not as much as it does today.

Pinkskates' hair still shrunk up into tight curls. Her waist-length hair shrunk all the way up to her ears. I remember the pictures that she posted on here and on her fotki.

I'm relaxed, but I like the term heat training. I think it only has a negative connotation on the hair boards. I feel like once I log off, none of these terms "co-washing," "baggying" etc. even matter...maybe it's just me.

Then again, Chicoro wrote a fabulous post (via her email blasts) about "what's in a name?" that got me thinking.