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Hair straightening pill?
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winnettag
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Those were my second thoughts. Who could remember to take this pill for the rest of their lives? Because, I've never heard of a pill that could permanently do anything.
I'd have to take the risk and try that pill!
That's what I'm saying!
This just all seems so unreal.
...meanwhile, they still can't come up with a pill that just makes your hair grow faster. :sarcastic:
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NuBraveHeart
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i appreciate the suggestion, and with no intended sarcasm i will note that i have in fact studied to some degree the nazi regime, and do know a thing or two about its history, which is why i disagree with you. these tactics were developed and presented with a specific goal in mind: to victimize, demoralize and eventually eradicate all aspects of a particular race. that race was jewish. (going further into the argument of eventual 'pure' race domination would be beside the point, so i won't carry on with that.)
The reason why I call it a 'Nazi experiment' is because curly hair was an undesirable physical trait during the Nazi regime and they used it amongst other things to identify Jewish people. Some Jewish people straightened their hair to try to evade the Nazis. An excerpt out of an anti-Semitic children's book called 'How to Tell a Jew': "Their hair is usually dark and often curly like a Negro's." I wouldn't suggest reading it. It's very upsetting.
So when we talk about altering babies' genes to obtain straight hair or swallow weird pills so that our hair is flowing and straight, I call that a 'Nazi experiment' and I have no shame in doing so.
My apologies if I stepped on anyone's toes.
I fairly don't care what grown ups do with their hair, but sometimes I really wonder to what lengths vanity carries people.
now, back to the issue at hand, this "pill" does not seem to be of the same ideology you refer to. i don't see some blond blue eyed man at the helm of wiping out all other people not like himself by convincing them that what features he has is better, therefore we must want it. i see a capitalistic endeavor to exploit the billion dollar beauty industry. nothing more, nothing less. white women with curly hair will use this to look like the models on victoria secret runways, black women with kinky hair will use it to lessen the curls or straighten their hair to break free of the "4 weeks post" new growth, etc., etc.
as far as the genetic engineering is concerned, sure, it may be a bit drastic for people to take, but it's no more controversial than testing for the "gay" gene your child, or genetically producing a child harvested for its compatibility with a terminally ill sibling. these are choices. call it vanity, call it whatever you want. but i don't think its INTENT is anywhere in the realm of wiping out races. i just don't believe that.
jennboo
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You know what? I tried to stay out of this thread, really i did. But this ish needs to be said...
I really feel sorry for the folks' up in here who think their own natural hair is undesirable. That must be a terrible burden to carry around, thinking that what grows out of your own head is bad and ugly.
To think that a hair texture that you would NEVER be able to attain naturally (straight hair) is the ideal, the end all be all, REALLY leads me to believe people don't like who they are...dare i say hate. If i were a white woman, nobody could tell me nothing because the proof is in the pudding...droves of black women wishing and hoping and wanting that they could attain what i possessed naturally? i would be clowning the ish out of a majority of black women and really no one would be able to make a case for themselves, lol. Sad.
I really feel sorry for the folks' up in here who think their own natural hair is undesirable. That must be a terrible burden to carry around, thinking that what grows out of your own head is bad and ugly.
To think that a hair texture that you would NEVER be able to attain naturally (straight hair) is the ideal, the end all be all, REALLY leads me to believe people don't like who they are...dare i say hate. If i were a white woman, nobody could tell me nothing because the proof is in the pudding...droves of black women wishing and hoping and wanting that they could attain what i possessed naturally? i would be clowning the ish out of a majority of black women and really no one would be able to make a case for themselves, lol. Sad.
Pretty Star
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Yes L'Oreal is the cosmetics company they are talking about in the article. I bumped a thred about the L'oreal pill not too long ago. I don't think they've finished it and are sitiing on it. That would make no financial sense because I'm sure there will be a big market for this pill.There are many women that aren't happy with their natural hair texture,not just black womensither. That said, one look at how many black women choose to wear Indian,Asian, Spanish texture weaves etc is enough to show me how many would wanta looser texture if they could get it.
BlackMasterPiece
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They'll start with the hair
Then they'll have a skin lightening pill (skin lightening creams are already hugely lucrative internationally)
Then they'll have a eye lightening pill - Black folks are already walking around with blue, green and grey contacts and even going so far as to fly overseas to have permanent iris implants that result in secondary glaucoma, cataracts and eventually blindness.....Dont believe me? check out this girl talking about her experience and how she spent upwards of $7000 to get her some blue eyes. I randomly stumbled upon her video and it blew. me. a-way. Here she shows that she had on of the Iris implants removed because the side-effects were so overwhelming and the differece between the Iris implant and her true eyes.
Here's another video where a young handsome dark skinned black boy is used as NewColorIris' promotion tool, he speaks of how he has a light-skinned brother with light eyes and wants to be as handsome as he is and get the same level of attention.
He suffered the same symptoms as the girl like hyper-sensitivity to light myriad side-effects etc and had to have them removed as well here he discusses that.
Eventually they'l come out with an all encompassing pill that will be the cure to blackness....and you know what? That will fly off the shelves too.
Then they'll have a skin lightening pill (skin lightening creams are already hugely lucrative internationally)
Then they'll have a eye lightening pill - Black folks are already walking around with blue, green and grey contacts and even going so far as to fly overseas to have permanent iris implants that result in secondary glaucoma, cataracts and eventually blindness.....Dont believe me? check out this girl talking about her experience and how she spent upwards of $7000 to get her some blue eyes. I randomly stumbled upon her video and it blew. me. a-way. Here she shows that she had on of the Iris implants removed because the side-effects were so overwhelming and the differece between the Iris implant and her true eyes.
Here's another video where a young handsome dark skinned black boy is used as NewColorIris' promotion tool, he speaks of how he has a light-skinned brother with light eyes and wants to be as handsome as he is and get the same level of attention.
He suffered the same symptoms as the girl like hyper-sensitivity to light myriad side-effects etc and had to have them removed as well here he discusses that.
Eventually they'l come out with an all encompassing pill that will be the cure to blackness....and you know what? That will fly off the shelves too.
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I personally wouldn't take the pill (unless it's all natural) but I don't see the big problem with ít. There is already prescription meds to get longer eyelashes so why not straight hair. Since it's acceptable to straighten hair everyday how is a pill for that so wild? People here even comment how a vitamin supplement gave them a silkier texture.
To be honest I don't think this pill would work and changing dna doesn't even make sense. If it just loosened the texture a little and it was not hormonal, I might eventually give it a try. After seeinf before and after pics here of course ; ).
To be honest I don't think this pill would work and changing dna doesn't even make sense. If it just loosened the texture a little and it was not hormonal, I might eventually give it a try. After seeinf before and after pics here of course ; ).
Rei
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Really? is it THAT hard to flat iron or relax if you want straight hair so bad?
Whoever would be willing to take this is some lazy ****'s yo
in before cancer
lol although for some of the people getting up on their soapboxes about how our ancestors were enslaved, if you read the article, it talks about changing for women who would like their hair curlier too, not just straight. :V so if I'm a white woman and I want my hair curly I guess I'd hate myself.
Not saying that there isn't self-hate out there, but it is ok to not like a feature you know. If a white woman hates her straight limp hair and would love to have thick long hair like Indian women, does she hate herself for not embracing her texture? You can't judge that everyone's reasoning for not liking their hair is self hatred. They may love everyone else's natural hair but hate their own. *shrugs* Now I think if they hate ALL natural hair then something is a bit off there, but lets not immediately jump to self-hatred conclusion slinging from some opinions...
Really? is it THAT hard to flat iron or relax if you want straight hair so bad?
Whoever would be willing to take this is some lazy ****'s yo
in before cancer
lol although for some of the people getting up on their soapboxes about how our ancestors were enslaved, if you read the article, it talks about changing for women who would like their hair curlier too, not just straight. :V so if I'm a white woman and I want my hair curly I guess I'd hate myself.
Not saying that there isn't self-hate out there, but it is ok to not like a feature you know. If a white woman hates her straight limp hair and would love to have thick long hair like Indian women, does she hate herself for not embracing her texture? You can't judge that everyone's reasoning for not liking their hair is self hatred. They may love everyone else's natural hair but hate their own. *shrugs* Now I think if they hate ALL natural hair then something is a bit off there, but lets not immediately jump to self-hatred conclusion slinging from some opinions...
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B_Phlyy
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I'm natural and I flat iron and occasionally press my hair, but I would not take the pill. Since there's no such thing as "foolproof" in science, no amount of research could convince me it would be "safe". Especially since the end result is something I can easily obtain without potentially messing up something internally.
Lady S
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Okay, I had to come back to this thread. . .
I understand why people would take the pill. The process of relaxing/perming/coloring you hair can be a pain in the butt. And having to repeat it every couple of months. Even wigs and extensions have consequences (my hairline better stop acting like it wants to meet my nape). I know a couple of straight haired ladies who would take it to get curls and waves. I can see people with more then 1 texture taking it to make every area the same. I get that.
It's those genetics. At the risk of sounding melodramatic, if we're going to play with genes, physical and mental issues come first. No more cancer, no more schizophrenia, no more diabetes. . .I'm sorry, that's more important then hair. It just is.
And there's always consequences. You could have straight hair but also be blind in one of your 3 eyes. The connections in the body are so complex. The gene that controls hair type may also be connected to the gene that controls teeth. I'm not saying that it's impossible, I just wouldn't want to be the first in line. Or the second. Or the 80th.
I understand why people would take the pill. The process of relaxing/perming/coloring you hair can be a pain in the butt. And having to repeat it every couple of months. Even wigs and extensions have consequences (my hairline better stop acting like it wants to meet my nape). I know a couple of straight haired ladies who would take it to get curls and waves. I can see people with more then 1 texture taking it to make every area the same. I get that.
It's those genetics. At the risk of sounding melodramatic, if we're going to play with genes, physical and mental issues come first. No more cancer, no more schizophrenia, no more diabetes. . .I'm sorry, that's more important then hair. It just is.
And there's always consequences. You could have straight hair but also be blind in one of your 3 eyes. The connections in the body are so complex. The gene that controls hair type may also be connected to the gene that controls teeth. I'm not saying that it's impossible, I just wouldn't want to be the first in line. Or the second. Or the 80th.
washize
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i'm not sure, it seems like you'd have to cut your old hair off, and the hair after you've taken the pill will be staright, or curly depending on the pill you took.
I might try it, seeing as how the pills range from extremely curly to straight.I think it would be cool to experience a diffrent hair texture, with out going through the extremes to get there.
About choosing your childs hair type, doesn't really matter to me since i'm adopting.
I might try it, seeing as how the pills range from extremely curly to straight.I think it would be cool to experience a diffrent hair texture, with out going through the extremes to get there.
About choosing your childs hair type, doesn't really matter to me since i'm adopting.
Irresistible
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oh yes the self hate/self acceptance sermon......always coming from those that hate/reject others with a smile on their face all the day long...
Really? is it THAT hard to flat iron or relax if you want straight hair so bad?
Whoever would be willing to take this is some lazy ****'s yo
in before cancer
lol although for some of the people getting up on their soapboxes about how our ancestors were enslaved, if you read the article, it talks about changing for women who would like their hair curlier too, not just straight. :V so if I'm a white woman and I want my hair curly I guess I'd hate myself.
Not saying that there isn't self-hate out there, but it is ok to not like a feature you know. If a white woman hates her straight limp hair and would love to have thick long hair like Indian women, does she hate herself for not embracing her texture? You can't judge that everyone's reasoning for not liking their hair is self hatred. They may love everyone else's natural hair but hate their own. *shrugs* Now I think if they hate ALL natural hair then something is a bit off there, but lets not immediately jump to self-hatred conclusion slinging from some opinions...
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supermodelsonya
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I'm sorry...I understand your point...I really do but DNA and genetics just does NOT work that way.
From some of the posts in this thread, it's very obvious that this science is misunderstood.
Irresistible
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afrodeutsche
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That makes two of us, so knowledge is not at the point of debate here, but perspective. I am not referring to the entire ideology of Nazism, the Holocaust or whatever else you have mentioned in previous posts, but Nazi eugenic experiments.
I say 'Nazi experiment' is because, altering an embryo or selecting a child based on it's genes to influence gender, eye color, hair color or hair texture is dangerously borderline Nazi eugenics, because society is brain-washed to believe that dark skin are curly hair are 'undesirable' traits. The intent might not be to wipe out a race, but what are you effectively doing when you change an child's genes to resemble something other than what it's SUPPOSED to look like?
And regarding that pill: You say that you think it is a capitalistic endeavor. Today these are capitalistic endeavors. But what did they start out as? Being a million dollar business does not negate the intention behind the creation of the product. We already know that L'oreal has a 'special' relationship with black people.
http://www.upi.com/Business_News/2009/06/25/LOreal-discrimination-verdict-upheld/UPI-87521245950249/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbi...rand-LOreal-accused-whitewashing-Beyonce.html
At the end of the day, I think it's best to agree to disagree, because I we both seem to feel very strongly about this subject. But when God stirs something it me that makes me feel unsettled the way that I do hearing about this, I can't avoid expressing the first thing that comes to my mind.
Like some people said - Gattaca is going to be the real deal.
Pretty Star
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BlackMasterPiece
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HAVE mercy.......
Neith
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I'd be terrified to take the pill, but I don't think it would make a person grow another arm or something like that. So I agree with you there.
The blind in 3 eyes comment made me laugh though. Try and get some straight hair, then you have a foot growing out the side of your neck.
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sharifeh
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Yea, this thread is just plain depressing.....we gotta do better people.....we gotta do better
We need to give the next generation an intensive comprehensive understanding and pride in their history and in themselves, the way god created them, if there is to be any hope for us going forward. Too many of us walking around with no real identity or true sense of self. (I never brought up relaxers btw)
I know we're not talking about relaxing in this thread but many of the relaxed ladies are not planning on relaxing their daughters (even if they themselves never plan to transition) and a lot of them have daughters that are not relaxed etc. I don't know what the state of my hair will be in the future if/when I have kids, but I know I'm never relaxing my daughter's hair regardless. I'm obviously not against it since I do it to my hair, but I don't think it's a bad idea to distance the next generation from it either. So I think the next generation might be better off then you might think.
Don't get too depressed lol
sharifeh
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I'd be terrified to take the pill, but I don't think it would make a person grow another arm or something like that. So I agree with you there.
The blind in 3 eyes comment made me laugh though. Try and get some straight hair, then you have a foot growing out the side of your neck.
too funny!!!!!
Optimus_Prime
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India and RSA have had them for years. Just don't get in an accident...
... or get a paper cut, cause your a$$ will bleed to death.
song_of_serenity
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http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/story3.htm
Here's more of it for anyone interested. It's a terrible but interesting piece of history.
tocktick
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This is highly disturbing to me
My hair is not a problem that needs to resolved with a pill, I'd never take that.
I can seriously see black women buying this in droves.....just sad.
Whilst I find the fact they'd actually create a pill for this purpose odd, I can't say I'm disturbed by that fact black women would probably be potential users of this nor would it surprise me in the lead.
I can't say it'd change my views on how we view hair in the black community or my views who choose straight hair over natural hair. Tbh, this just seems like a different method of doing what droves of black women have been doing for quite a minute now anyway. I'm sure some will be simply be swapping the relaxer for this if it became available. The method changes but the plethora of reasons for straightening hair and the complex history behind what lead us down this path does not really change.
Bene
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So, I sat back a bit and watched the mayhem in this thread.
Let's say, they spend about a bah-zillion dollars, 20 years, and risk the lives of thousands of test animals + researching and testing on human subjects to produce a safe and effective way to change hair texture. In either direction. Straight hair for the curlies, and curly hair for the straighties. There are no major side-effects, it is as safe as taking, I don't know, aspirin for a headache.
Let's say, for the sake of argument, that I decide to take the pill to make my hair curlier. Let's say that I have so much trouble dealing with my own hair, that the thought of having a child with this hair and then having to manage my own head and my kid's head looks like a daunting insurmountable task. Let's say, that I take this pill in hopes of developing a massive, head swallowing, billowy 'fro. The kind of 'fro that I've seen women on this board swoon over. And the idea that my child would then come out with this hair is something I look forward to so as to save myself the problems that come with my own hair type, and I would be saving my child from that same headache.
I would then be hating myself and my ancestry?
My preferences, likes, dislikes, tastes, history, culture would be automatically discarded and invalidated by people who don't know me, and I would be branded as "self-hating". There is a strong stigma to that terminology, as far as I see it, it is an insult. I see the use of it just as bad as calling someone by any other racist word. You pick the nastiest, most disgusting pejorative you can think of, that's how I see it.
I fail to see how insulting people for the choices they make is tolerant or accepting of other people.
And no, I wouldn't take this pill, I'm quite happy with my natural texture. I'm just sympathetic towards anyone who is criticized for wanting to make changes that they see as self-improvement for themselves. If the option is out there, and someone chooses to take it, then good for them. I'm not dealing with their hair, so I'm not going to pass judgment on what they do.
Let's say, they spend about a bah-zillion dollars, 20 years, and risk the lives of thousands of test animals + researching and testing on human subjects to produce a safe and effective way to change hair texture. In either direction. Straight hair for the curlies, and curly hair for the straighties. There are no major side-effects, it is as safe as taking, I don't know, aspirin for a headache.
Let's say, for the sake of argument, that I decide to take the pill to make my hair curlier. Let's say that I have so much trouble dealing with my own hair, that the thought of having a child with this hair and then having to manage my own head and my kid's head looks like a daunting insurmountable task. Let's say, that I take this pill in hopes of developing a massive, head swallowing, billowy 'fro. The kind of 'fro that I've seen women on this board swoon over. And the idea that my child would then come out with this hair is something I look forward to so as to save myself the problems that come with my own hair type, and I would be saving my child from that same headache.
I would then be hating myself and my ancestry?
My preferences, likes, dislikes, tastes, history, culture would be automatically discarded and invalidated by people who don't know me, and I would be branded as "self-hating". There is a strong stigma to that terminology, as far as I see it, it is an insult. I see the use of it just as bad as calling someone by any other racist word. You pick the nastiest, most disgusting pejorative you can think of, that's how I see it.
I fail to see how insulting people for the choices they make is tolerant or accepting of other people.
And no, I wouldn't take this pill, I'm quite happy with my natural texture. I'm just sympathetic towards anyone who is criticized for wanting to make changes that they see as self-improvement for themselves. If the option is out there, and someone chooses to take it, then good for them. I'm not dealing with their hair, so I'm not going to pass judgment on what they do.
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BlackMasterPiece
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Thank you for that encouraging post Sharifeh!
I know exactly what you mean, the children's hair care board gives me so much hope for the future, those ladies are keeping their little girls natural and really embracing the texture exploring the possibilities of their children's coils. it truly brings joy to my heart to skim that board.
I really love the overall environment of LHCF because most relaxed ladies that have been on here for a while are very forward thinking and have a very healthy perception of highly textured hair, but there are some comments that just make me feel sad for our state of affairs
.......thanks for this post sharifeh, I do feel a bit better
supermodelsonya
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wish4length
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I don't think as many black women would take the pill even if they do relax simply because we're talking about taking this thing orally which could mess up your insides.....
If you could break the pill over your head I'm sure they would......
If you could break the pill over your head I'm sure they would......
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