Don't you see how beautiful I am?!?!?

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We're talking UPPER ECHELON here. :grin:

What some of you consider "professional" isnt what some of us consider "professional" as made evident by many threads around here. Jus saying'

My current and ex boyfriend are both college educated, with successful careers and in a higher tax bracket...living in NY it can happen!!! Sometimes we can be our worst enemies, if we don't believe something can happen, it probably won't.
 
Some of the comments in this thread are just down right depressing. Some of the women on this site can be down right depressing.


The audacity....



SMH at this thread and not at the OP.



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One thing I never understand in these discussions: isn't most of America overweight? It must be true that most women in relationships are overweight, too.

Oh, sure, it probably does give you an advantage. Not going to dispute that. But I'd still bet that the majority of Americans in relationships are fat. It's not even just half. It's like 2/3 of the country. :lol: The quick stats I looked up says less than 1/3 of Americans are a healthy weight. 35% of women are obese and another 1/3 are merely overweight but not obese.

Of course, losing weight can help, no denying. Just think sometimes we forget what's happening out there.

Hmmm, and America has a very high divorce rate. Simple fact remains, Americans need to get in shape and eat healthy! Being in a relationship doesn't neccessairily mean you will be happy regardless of your size. You are responsible for your own happiness, and if you think you will feel more confident with the opposite sex thinner then by all means lose that weight.
 
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Some of the comments in this thread is just down right depressing. Some of the women on this site can be down right depressing.


The audacity....



SMH at this thread and not at the OP.

Well, what can I say except Today's special? Come and join the fun!:look:
 
Some of the comments in this thread are just down right depressing. Some of the women on this site can be down right depressing.


The audacity....



SMH at this thread and not at the OP.



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Is it because people said "loose weight?" Its a sad reality but it is what it is. There are plenty of women who will tell you that their prospects increased AFTER shedding couple of pounds.

What's depressing is acting like its not true!!!
 
Your comment is very interesting, if the kind of "good man" she is looking for is a handsome, educated, respectful, professional, caring and a God-fearing man...then yea I have one of those, and she can find one as well. Men are very visual yes, but being an overweight woman doesn't automatically make you unattractive to all men. There are plenty of men who have it going on and have a preference for curvier women.

Curvy is not the same as Fat.
 
Some of the comments in this thread are just down right depressing. Some of the women on this site can be down right depressing.


The audacity....



SMH at this thread and not at the OP.



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Utterley confused. This is not a perfect world. Somethings are just the way they are. Doesnt make it right. It is what it is. Honestly it's up to OP to either take the comments to heart or not. It's her choice to make whatever decision she chooses. She asked us for our opinion and we were real with our answers.
 
As far as I can tell everyone has been loving, kind, & respectful of Glib. All of us care about her happiness & well-being whether we said she should or should not lose weight. Just because you did not encourage her to try harder to lose weight does not make you nicer, you just have a different opinion--good for you. No one has been disrespectful or unkind and folks cannot expect everyone to have the exact same opinions as them. I personally think it would be kinder to stay focussed on helping and encouraging Glib vs. going back and forth over who is right.
 
As far as I can tell everyone has been loving, kind, & respectful of Glib. All of us care about her happiness & well-being whether we said she should or should not lose weight. Just because you did not encourage her to try harder to lose weight does not make you nicer, you just have a different opinion--good for you. No one has been disrespectful or unkind and folks cannot expect everyone to have the exact same opinions as them. I personally think it would be kinder to stay focussed on helping and encouraging Glib vs. going back and forth over who is right.


Exactly. Glib is a smart girl. She knows what she has to do and honestly believed she knew what she needed to do before posting this. She want opinions from a diverse group. Last I checked Glib was cosigning with the majority of the comments here so not sure why folks are getting upset.

Personally when you hit a roadblock in any situation you need to stop and reassess what you need to do differently. Only then will you progress and really get whatever it is you desire out of life. For Glib that is marriage and a potential family. She can very well have that and all that her heart desires by making some life sacrifices. IMHO it's worth it to do what she needs to at this point.
 
Some of the comments in this thread are just down right depressing. Some of the women on this site can be down right depressing.


The audacity....



SMH at this thread and not at the OP.



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I actually think you are referring to the comments about "upper echelon" as opposed to weight - am I right?

Either way, I thank all of you ladies for your concern and support. Now let's all play nice together in the LHCF pool

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One thing I never understand in these discussions: isn't most of America overweight? It must be true that most women in relationships are overweight, too.

Oh, sure, it probably does give you an advantage. Not going to dispute that. But I'd still bet that the majority of Americans in relationships are fat. It's not even just half. It's like 2/3 of the country. :lol: The quick stats I looked up says less than 1/3 of Americans are a healthy weight. 35% of women are obese and another 1/3 are merely overweight but not obese.

Of course, losing weight can help, no denying. Just think sometimes we forget what's happening out there.
Yes most Americans are overweight. But I think there are differences in expectations and norms in various sub-populations. For example, the median personal income for Americans over 18 years old is $25,149, but I don't necessarily think that most professional women in many east coast major cities considers that a great catch in terms of snagging a high status man/ provider.
 
Say this again..... People are very confused about these two terms.

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I don't know why SOME women give men a hard time about wanting a woman who is in shape. The only time I could see this being a problem is if the man is out of shape himself. A woman who exercises regularly, eats a reasonably healthy diet will always be attractive to men. I know that I am in no way turned on by fat out of shape men.
 
I actually think you are referring to the comments about "upper echelon" as opposed to weight - am I right?

Either way, I thank all of you ladies for your concern and support. Now let's all play nice together in the LHCF pool

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My advice to you is that most quality men want a woman who takes care of her body. I would exercise, change my diet and get down to a reasonable size. I know you mentioned that you are a size 22, I don't know any men who could even lift up a size 22 woman, that is just an extreme size, as I'm sure you already know. You will notice that once you get down to a reasonable size (size 12 and under), you will get more attention from the men you desire.:yep:
 
Oddly enough many saying it doest matter and glib you are fine just the way you are are married women! What vested interest do they have in a single girls dating life? Hopeful is one of the few married women in this thread who us keeping it real.
 
Oddly enough many saying it doest matter and glib you are fine just the way you are are married women! What vested interest do they have in a single girls dating life? Hopeful is one of the few married women in this thread who us keeping it real.

And the only people who seem to be offended are FAT women. The OP never specified if she wanted single or married women to reply to her thread. Furthermore, a lot of married women were thin on their wedding day, but let themselves go once they got "comfortable", then wonder why their husbands are always eyeing women (or in worst case scenario, carrying on affairs) who keep their bodies up. :yep:
 
Oddly enough many saying it doest matter and glib you are fine just the way you are are married women! What vested interest do they have in a single girls dating life? Hopeful is one of the few married women in this thread who us keeping it real.

I agree with you all as well. I'm also not a fan of letting yourself go just because you're married.
 
This is long as hell. Sorry.

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I think there are two things going on here. On the one hand, yes, on average men do tend to prefer women who are HWP. On the other hand, men also tend to prefer confident, sexy, sensual women. So, IMO, if in your quest to become HWP, you let other WOMEN beat you down and diminish your confidence (which in turn will effect your overall sexiness and sensuality), you are worse off than a heavy woman who is confident. IME, well-adjusted PEOPLE (men included) don't really want to spend their time battling with the insecurities of a friend or lover.

It is a fact that big woman marry. Do they marry at a lower rate? Are their marriages less successful? I have never seen a statistic or study showing that, and I'm sure if such statistics existed, they would have been linked to a thread on this site a long time ago.

It is also a fact that big woman have and can marry good quality men. However, if you have decided that a quality man can't possibly be attracted to you at size 16 and up, well, you've already framed your reality, so poor results will naturally follow.

I think that it is very unlikely that a size 16 plus woman who believes that she is unattractive and that "quality" men are "out of her league" is doing the necessary in terms of flirting, and actively putting herself in the line of sight of men who she feels are "out of her league." Plus, to the extent that she is rejected by such men, she probably blames her weight for those rejections (even without concrete evidence that her weight was the problem) and likely shuts down even more. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy, and yes, she does eventually become invisible to the men she wants because MADE herself invisible.

It reminds me of something Oprah said in her Masterclass series. When she auditioned for the Color Purple and initially thought she wasn't going to get the role, she blamed her weight for the failure and went to a fat farm to shed the weight she thought had kept her from getting the role. While at the fat farm, she got a call from Steven Spielberg offering her the part and telling her that she better not lose any weight.

She believed that her weight was an obstacle, when in fact it wasn't. Her insecurity about her weight led her to blame her weight for losses (or presumed losses) in her life that were not in actual fact connected to her weight at all.

I believe that most of the women in this thread mean well, but I can't agree with these ridiculous over-generalizations that are mainly coming from single women about what most "quality" men want. A single woman (myself included) by definition hasn't yet managed to figure out what even one quality man wants, that's why she's still single.

So I'm not going to talk to you about catching a man. I'm trying to talk to you about catching yourself. You get one body in this life. Love that body. You get one soul, one spirit, treat it with kindness. You are not alone in your quest for love, and all of us questers are just trying to figure out the best way to get where we want to be, but like Oscar Wilde said, to love one's self is the beginning of a life-long romance.
 
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