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@SummerSolstice ...

I get the 'side - eye' too... :look: or the 'Whhhaaaaaaaatt she say?' raised eyebrow reaction.

However the gay agenda is using Blacks who support them as 'toilet paper'... literally.

Now I usually say 'Bathroom Tissue', however, it's just that bad when I have to say 'toilet paper'.

When the votes are against 'them', the first people that gays blame are 'Blacks' with the 'shame on you' tactic and they literally 'force' the issue that 'Blacks' should be understanding and supportive of the gay agenda due to the Black experience with slavery and racism.

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:nono: :nono: :nono: :nono:

There is not one thing that the gays can identify nor compare their experience to that of the exploitation of African Americans. The gay experience does not qualify to even measure up to what African Americans have endured and it never will.


How dare they
:nono: How .... dare....they!

The gay agenda is filled with wwo's... wealthy, white, organizers, whose sole objective is to have rule and submission to their 'cause' which is disorder. Any African American who is 'with' them are simply being deceived that it is for a 'just cause', yet they join a cause which does not have benefits for the Black community.

How many more of our strong Black men can we afford to lose? How many more of our strong and beautiful women have to be defeminized and robbed of the beauty of their true gender as women?

It's sad but true that a weaken community is most susceptable to negative influences. The gay agenda is no different than the drug cartels who have taken over the Black communities; the tobacco industry; the liquor stores/bars on just about every corner in Black neighborhoods and/or the huge billboards promoting alcoholic beverages with glamorous settings.

:nono: :nono: :nono: :nono: :nono:

Now this... to weaken our communities all the more. :nono:

See, this what folks who support gay 'rights' are not 'seeing'... It's giving 'permission' to the molestors as in their diseased mindset, it's legal to have gay sex. More and more of our young innocent boys will be targets for rape/molestion. Why? Because in a sick mind, it is now legal to be 'anal' and frontal with the same sex... :nono: Children need our protection even more... it's beyond sad and bad enough with men molesting little girls. :nono:

The gay rights agenda provides for transexuals to have full access and use of women's rest rooms and dressing rooms. A door WIDE OPEN for men to dress as women and attack them. Because the stores and restaurants are mandated to 'allow' trannies to have full access to these areas, there will be no monitoring of one women's or teen girls safety; not even in schools.

This government of ours has fallen off it's rocker big time ... I've never seen such stupidity and nonsense. :nono:

Oh! And there's more... foolishness in these 'so called' rights. :nono:

Yes to all especially bolded. I was posting about a man that walked in on me here at work. He was wearing a dress suit. I didn't say anything cuz I'm a contractor here at work, and he is federal... didn't want to ruffle any feathers. But I was shocked! And then when I posted about it people were saying that I was wrong for assuming that my safety was on the line. Whateverrrr

And also sexual orientation is not visual. Color is. The "struggle" is NOTHING compared to that of blacks through history. In EVERY country not just ours. The Aborigine people, Filipinos... blacks everywhere have a struggle that is incomparable to gays wanting to marry.
 
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Yes to all especially bolded. I was posting about a man that walked in on me here at work. He was wearing a dress suit. I didn't say anything cuz I'm a contractor here at work, and he is federal... didn't want to ruffle any feathers. But I was shocked! And then when I posted about it people were saying that I was wrong for assuming that my safety was on the line. Whateverrrr

And also sexual orientation is not visual. Color is. The "struggle" is NOTHING compared to that of blacks through history. In EVERY country not just ours. The Aborigine people, Filipinos... blacks everywhere have a struggle that is incomparable to gays wanting to marry.

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Then they try to use the Blacks couldn't marry Whites... strategy and that it's the same....

Ummmmmm, it's male and female interracial marriages which is NOT the same as two males and two females wanting to marry.

When do they get it? It is NOT the same ! ! ! ! !

Who in the world do they think they are fooling with this hypocracy?

:nono: :lol: :nono:

I'm shaking my head and laughing because I have a mop full of African American curls boucing on my head while I'm doing this. :nono: nono: :nono:. Even my 'hair' knows the difference and says 'No'... :lol: .
 
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Yes to all especially bolded.

I was posting about a man that walked in on me here at work. He was wearing a dress suit. I didn't say anything cuz I'm a contractor here at work, and he is federal... didn't want to ruffle any feathers. But I was shocked! And then when I posted about it people were saying that I was wrong for assuming that my safety was on the line. Whateverrrr

And also sexual orientation is not visual. Color is. The "struggle" is NOTHING compared to that of blacks through history. In EVERY country not just ours. The Aborigine people, Filipinos... blacks everywhere have a struggle that is incomparable to gays wanting to marry.

I wanted to address the bolded separately!

First, I am relieved that you are safe and not harmed neither approached by that man. But it's issues like this that women should not have to encounter. When a man is in a woman's restroom, he should immediately be treated as an intruder and made to leave and not re-enter, otherwise be arrested.

A trannie is STILL a man and is STILL totally confused about his sexuality. Whose to say what is on his mind when he enters into a woman's restroom or dressing room. Let alone...... the men who are pretending to be a transexual...

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My poor curls are taking such a 'beating' today... As I type I keep shaking my head... :nono: :smile:
 
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The deception that comes from accepting and embracing homosexuality isn't about empowering whites.....

@Shimmie, I'm confused by your statement since we know they use the treatment of blacks and women to say they're also discriminated against.... however how does this empower whites?

ETA...

Alicia, am I lying? Being Black and gay is not a healthy combination for our race. The 'enemy' has enough weapons against 'us' as it is. How can a Black person have Victory in their lives being gay? It's a adding another negative to the mix that is already out to destory our race; meaning drugs, alcohol, lack of education, welfare, highest in jail population... and adding gay to the list is just compounding the weapons against Blacks.

I found out last week that the President of the NAACP supports gay marriage and went public to announce it before legislative committee.

What kind of foolishness is that?

Do folks not know that the gay agenda is a white strategy to empower whites and NOT Blacks? Black folks are not heading the gay agenda; it's a little white underground organization which has grown by way of spiritual wickedness in high places.

There is a heavier fight for gay rights than Black rights. And I KNOW what I'm talking about...
 
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The deception that comes from accepting and embracing homosexuality isn't about empowering whites.....

Shimmie, I'm confused by your statement since we know they use the treatment of blacks and women to say they're also discriminated against.... however how does this empower whites?

The organizers and leaders and funders of the gay agenda are white. In addtion, the objective of the gay agenda is not about 'embracing and accepting' homosexuality... that's their method of gaining 'control'. If folks feel sorry for them; see them as weak and bullied victims, heartbroken and suicidal......

These are tactics that they are over building upon as gays being the only humans who are under such pressures.

So why is the gay agenda not fighting for 'all' humans under these pressures? There are far more people hurting in these very same areas and a lot deeper and live in far more pain...

It is a fact, that thre are more agressive measures and rights being sought for and have been granted gays than any other minority, especially African Americans.

While part of the gay agenda includes rights given to transexuals to share the same public restrooms and dressing room areas in clothing stores, there are still African Americans who are refused being served in these same restuarants, followed and trailed in clothing stores as 'potential' thieves, still arrested by walking/driving Black; have limited access to quality education and recreation in Black neighborhoods... and are still not 'embraced and accepted' as humans... in spite of. Yet gays [namely white] as flamboyant as they wanna' be are still afforded the best in comparison.

Clue: Look at their success spreading everywhere... WEN Hair Care Products / Chaz Dean; Issacc Misrahi (sp?); Nate Berkus; David Venable/QVC; ...

Look.... you know this. Everyone does. None of us are blind. There has never been a shortage of success for white gays... not ever. The gay agenda is milking the 'sympathy' and it's all about 'them' and no one else. :nono:

Do you know that between 80 to 85% of gays have absolutely NO intention of getting married... :nono: NOPE! They still want to play the courts in more ways then one.

FACT: There are gay organizers who ON PURPOSE plan and strategically go to businesses KNOWING that they will be denied service because of the business owners personal convictions, so that they can purposely 'file law suits' against them. They're doing the same with job positions and housing.

We have to know what's going on otherwise be caught unawares.

Blacks who are supporting the gay agenda are being used... it will always be about whites leading them and telling them what to do. :nono:

I'll say this...

Whenever I share something that sounds or looks 'off' .... It ends up proving to be the truth. I'm not making this up. It's true and it's more going on than what I've shared. Just keep your eyes and ears open....

Mark 4:22....
 
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Shimmie we know we're not battling against flesh and blood, but you're making this about white empowerment...

The sin of homosexuality, it's consequences, the reasons and rational are not limited to race. So how are you coming to the conclusion that "they" are trying to empower whites?
 
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Shimmie we know we're not battling against flesh and blood, but you're making this about white empowerment...

The sin of homosexuality, it's consequences, the reasons and rational are not limited to race. So how are you coming to the conclusion that "they" are trying to empower whites?

Keep your 'eyes' open in the spirit...

There's a 'spiritual battle' that has always been against Blacks... always.

If you don't see this, then there's nothing that I can say, except that you allow God to show you.

Don't be offended.... Wake up!
 
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To add to my last comment, imo the gay agenda is about going beyond being treated with respect, but more than that, it's about forcing their values on society, and views that differ from theirs, they want that to be considered hate. I don't see white empowerment there.

If nothing else, I think it's important for you to see the effect of the choice of words you're using to express your view... the effect of hurting people of another race. How would you feel coming into a Christian forum to hear a white individual say "the gay agenda is a black strategy for black empowerment". I think we would come away knowing this persons words and attitude are not coming from Christ. We all are growing, so I'm not trying to be confrontational, but I had to mention that this isn't right.
 
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Keep your 'eyes' open in the spirit...

There's a 'spiritual battle' that has always been against Blacks... always.

If you don't see this, then there's nothing that I can say, except that you allow God to show you.

Don't be offended.... Wake up!

There is a spiritual battle worldwide against all races. Christ will prevail.
 
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To add to my last comment, imo the gay agenda is about going beyond being treated with respect, but more than that, it's about forcing their values on society, and views that differ from theirs, they want that to be considered hate. I don't see white empowerment there.

If nothing else, I think it's important for you to see the effect of the choice of words you're using to express your view... the effect of hurting people of another race. How would you feel coming into a Christian forum to hear a white individual say "the gay agenda is a black strategy for black empowerment". I think we would come away knowing this persons words and attitude are not coming from Christ. We all are growing, so I'm not trying to be confrontational, but I had to mention that this isn't right.

Spring, you can't be blinded by being offended by the truth. homosexuality only 'weakens' the African American community. Like it or not, that's the truth. Whites, gay or straight will always take care of themselves, not Blacks.

Whether you agree with it or not, will not stop this from being true. The gay agenda is about white empowerment. There is not a shred of unity among them concerning the Black community and the gay agenda is NOT about acceptance, it is a power enforcement both spiritually and in the NATURAL realm.

Have you seen these people? Have you listened to them? There's a lot you do not know about what's really going on. And you can't pass it off on "spiritual wickedness" and let it ride. It's not that cut and dry. You still have to be accountable even in that respect, meaning what are you doing spiritually?

Are you praying? Fasting? Interceding? Or just disagreeing and conceding to the principalities and rulers of darkness?

Better have your loins girded about with Truth...Your Helmet of Salvation 'fitted' for battle. If your feet are shod with the preparation of 'Peace', you better be ready to maintain a sound mind and not pass it off on someone else.

This is blood and guts in addtion to spiritual warfare. Passing it off on the principalities is hiding from taking charge and stilling the enemy's strategies. The devil needs to know that you are not playing spiritual games.

How many more 'attacks' can Blacks handle before they begin to fade out? Indeed this is about white empowerment over Blacks, for the weaker Blacks become, the stronger whites are over them. The gay agenda is white empowerment over Blacks who will suffer more than any other race in this earth. Whites have 'their' money and doctors for the sexually transmitted diseases, while the Blacks are subject to the trials of clinics and the greed of experimentation of pharmaceuticals.

You need to 'see' and recognize every single enemy and strategy that is out there seeking to destroy 'us'. I could care less who's offended, there's something far more important that is at stake here than someone's feelings, let along their agenda... I'm fighting for a far greater cause. The Black community is not going to hell in a gay basket. Our children will not become blinded by the lure and the lies of the gay lifestyle.

THINK about what the gay agenda truly represents. Look at it! What it's doing to school children, innocent 4 and 5 year olds being programmed to live this lifestyle. And the biggest population being hit.............The African American community and their children and their schools.

My prayer is that you 'see it' before the enemy gets to you first. There's a whole lot going on... it's obvious that you just don't know. :nono:
 
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There is a spiritual battle worldwide against all races. Christ will prevail.

Indeed Jesus WILL prevail. The question is, 'Will you?'

In the meantime between now and Jesus' prevailing, will you be standing?

This is a serious question. :yep:

As Christians, many of us have a whole lot of quotes and no power behind it. Whatever we 'say', or state we believe, we better be able to withstand the devil and back it up, because you will surely be tested on it.
 
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Spring, you can't be blinded by being offended by the truth. homosexuality only 'weakens' the African American community. Like it or not, that's the truth. Whites, gay or straight will always take care of themselves, not Blacks.

Whether you agree with it or not, will not stop this from being true. The gay agenda is about white empowerment. There is not a shred of unity among them concerning the Black community and the gay agenda is NOT about acceptance, it is a power enforcement both spiritually and in the NATURAL realm.

Homosexuality weakens all communities, and like it or not there would have been no underground railroads, end of slavery without whites who had their houses burned or was killed simply for standing up for what is right. You are being blinded by the sin of racism in your heart and the deadly sin of pride keeps you justifying it.

Are you praying? Fasting? Interceding? Or just disagreeing and conceding to the principalities and rulers of darkness?

What kind of fasting are you doing? Is it a fast to break the bonds of wickedness..obviously not, because your racist statements are at enemity with Christ, and so is your defensiveness when someone comes to you to point it out.

Your are not fighting against sexual immorality with racism, though you think you are.

Yes, the "quoting" of scripture for the sake of quoting does not impress God at all.
 
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The spirit of homosexuality has nothing to do with race. the devil dont care what color we are, its all about souls. A soul has no color. We cant make this a race issue because its not. Jesus said if we lift Him up, He would draw ALL men unto Him.If God isnt concerned about race, we shouldnt be either. There is just as much black gays as white gays. We should be just concerned for the white man, asian, hispanic etc as the black man. I want all men to come to repentance not just black ppl. The bible says we wrestle not against flesh and blood...this isnt a fleshy battle.


I dont care what the media is fighting for but I am fighting for all men to be saved
 
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I don't beleive there is one ounce of racism is Shimmie's body. That out the ways.

I agree with you. Homosexuality is not a sin exclusive to any race.. However, I don't believe that what Shimmie is expressing is this. Because one is addressing a particular issue doesn't mean they are expressing a lack of concern for others.

This issue of homosexuality vs. afrocentricsm can be a curve ball; there are scholars who are exploring that homosexuality is being used as a tool for oppression, much to the chagrin of those who vehemently disagree. Homosexuality is a sin, but so is oppressing people (witchcraft) through cunning devices and resources (i.e., passing of laws)

Enslavement is still around and we can't put our heads in the proverbial sand, bottoms up. I don't hate whites or any person of any creed or color. Anyone who loves God is on the winning side and I'm on theirs. Yet we are to have the heart of God ..and what He hates, we will hate. I believe God gifts some to see what other can't. We all should be free from all sin, but this is a multi-layered issue.

Homosexuality has a great impact on the community at large, but an even more detrimental impact on blacks, keeping them "enslaved to the culture of death."

What? Out-of-wedlock births, prison, poverty, racism, diseases and other social ills aren't enough for black folks?

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ETA: I posted an old article, in 2004.... compare it to what's going on today.

The spirit of homosexuality has nothing to do with race. the devil dont care what color we are, its all about souls. A soul has no color. We cant make this a race issue because its not. Jesus said if we lift Him up, He would draw ALL men unto Him.If God isnt concerned about race, we shouldnt be either. There is just as much black gays as white gays. We should be just concerned for the white man, asian, hispanic etc as the black man. I want all men to come to repentance not just black ppl. The bible says we wrestle not against flesh and blood...this isnt a fleshy battle.


I dont care what the media is fighting for but I am fighting for all men to be saved
 
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I NEVER said Shimmie was racist.I am speaking on the gay and black issue as a WHOLE. I am saying we need to concerned for homosexuality AS A WHOLE, not just when it comes to blacks. We have to have the same burden across the board, and not feel more sensitive to it when it comes to black people. Thats all.


I don't beleive there is one ounce of racism is Shimmie's body. That out the ways.

I agree with you. Homosexuality is not a sin exclusive to any race.. However, I don't believe that what Shimmie is expressing is this. Because one is addressing a particular issue doesn't mean they are expressing a lack of concern for others.

This issue of homosexuality vs. afrocentricsm can be a curve ball; there are scholars who are exploring that homosexuality is being used as a tool for oppression, much to the chagrin of those who vehemently disagree. Homosexuality is a sin, but so is oppressing people (witchcraft) through cunning devices and resources (i.e., passing of laws)

Enslavement is still around and we can't put our heads in the proverbial sand, bottoms up. I don't hate whites or any person of any creed or color. Anyone who loves God is on the winning side and I'm on theirs. Yet we are to have the heart of God ..and what He hates, we will hate. I believe God gifts some to see what other can't. We all should be free from all sin, but this is a multi-layered issue.

Homosexuality has a great impact on the community at large, but an even more detrimental impact on blacks, keeping them "enslaved to the culture of death."

What? Out-of-wedlock births, prison, poverty, racism, diseases and other social ills aren't enough for black folks?
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ETA: I posted an old article, in 2004.... compare it to what's going on today.
 
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Shimmie's comments that this is a white strategy for white empowerment are racist and are a stumblingblock for blacks. She is being deceived and motivated to point the finger and accuse instead of calling all men to repentance. Homosexuals are lured by their own desires just as any other person who falls into sexual immorality.

Poisoning a patient, dieing of a deadly disease with more deadly disease doesn't bring the cure. This is what happens when you use the wages of sin to oppose the wages of sin.
 
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I NEVER said Shimmie was racist.I am speaking on the gay and black issue as a WHOLE. I am saying we need to concerned for homosexuality AS A WHOLE, not just when it comes to blacks. We have to have the same burden across the board, and not feel more sensitive to it when it comes to black people. Thats all.

I think she was refering to my comment.
 
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I didn't say you did... Spring alluded to that ... I just covered it in one post, that I happened to address to you. So my apologies if you thought I'd put words in your mouth... I'm not fighting with you, but to say one is more sensitive to the plight of one's own "race" could come off as accusation of racism, or what others know as partiality. Again, I don't think that is the case here. There is no partiality in Christ!






I NEVER said Shimmie was racist.I am speaking on the gay and black issue as a WHOLE. I am saying we need to concerned for homosexuality AS A WHOLE, not just when it comes to blacks. We have to have the same burden across the board, and not feel more sensitive to it when it comes to black people. Thats all.
 
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Not all homosexuals started out being lured by their desires, but by the desires of others... I believe fewer were born with the predisposition because of generational curses passed on from their parents (the ones who just don't understand why they're "born this way") than those who had been subjugated to rape and abuse by same-sex adults as children, and wouldn't otherwise have been gay.



Shimmie's comments that this is a white strategy for white empowerment are racist and are a stumblingblock for blacks. She is being deceived and motivated to point the finger and accuse instead of calling all men to repentance. Homosexuals are lured by their own desires just as any other person who falls into sexual immorality.

Poisoning a patient, dieing of a deadly disease with more deadly disease doesn't bring the cure. This is what happens when you use the wages of sin to oppose the wages of sin.
 
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I would agree that sexual abuse increases the chances that a person would act upon what is 'already' in the human heart (evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies). The belief that this is a strategy from whites to empower whites, is the devil's attempt to keep us from repentance... where true victory and empowerment can only be found.
 
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but you think its right to be more sensitive to a particular race, than be sensitive to all people?

to say one is more sensitive to the plight of one's own "race"
 
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I didn't say you did... Spring alluded to that ... I just covered it in one post, that I happened to address to you. So my apologies if you thought I'd put words in your mouth... I'm not fighting with you, but to say one is more sensitive to the plight of one's own "race" could come off as accusation of racism, or what others know as partiality. Again, I don't think that is the case here. There is no partiality in Christ!

Laela, to blame another race for the sin that's in the heart of every individual, isn't being 'sensitive' to our race. It keeps us in perpetual denial of God's truth about our condition as humans and His solution.

I really appreciated your responses and hope you don't feel I'm being combative with you, though I disagree with you. :)
 
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Thanks for taking the time to post this.


Thank you for sharing your understanding. I agree with you, and what Prudent said...God has good plans for us. Prosperous plans! But, the prosperity message today actually in my opinion, paradoxically HINDERS people from realizing a lot of these things. Why? Because it teachers people to seek things first! It teaches us to use the word and God as a means to accumulate more stuff for ourselves. When God's word says the opposite...he says seek me first! And all of these things are ADDED. When we seek God's face and not his hands, he blesses us. When we delight in the Lord(1st commandment) he gives us our desires. When we tie love and faithfulness about our necks (second commandment), we win favor Proverbs 3:3 with God and he causes us to be blessed. And it's got to be sincere, God knows our hearts. :yep: We have to truly lay down our lives and give of our selves...God can't use God's word for personal gain. Let me show you where I found some real prosperity gospel.

Matthew 19:29
"And every one who has left houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for the sake of the gospel, shall receive a hundredfold, and shall inherit life eternal."

The true gospel causes us to lay down our lives and follow him. John13:38 In fact, it says, it will cost you everything! Luke 14:25-35. Just like that rich young ruler in that video where Creflo twisted the scripture. You can't just give a thousand dollars and get 100,000 like a ATM machine. We will be turning down some real stuff. People will lose a lot and suffer for the gospel. We have to identify with Christ's sufferings. He didn't die on a cross so that we can get a car. No, he died so that we can join him in his sufferings...that we may later reign with him. 2 Timothy 2:12. This is the gospel. The rich young ruler had to give up everything to be Christ's disciple just like the other 12. But he refused.

But there is more with the Matthew 19:29 scripture above. As I stated before, he promises persecutions too. So that our hearts are not in it for gain, but because we lay down our lives because we love him...we love his people. And we do it because he bought us with a price! Here's the persecutions part.

Mark 10:30
He not will fail to receive a hundred times as much in this present age (homes, brothers, sisters, mothers, children and fields--and with them, persecutions) and in the age to come, eternal life.

He does not tell us what the hundredfold will be! Is is money? Maybe for some. Is it homes, relationships, yes! But regardless of what it is...we have to die to self and give up everything to follow him and see what God has for us. But see I know he is a show off, he has great things in store. And he wants us to humbly ask for those things...not force them with scripture. That is the real gospel. He spoke this to the disciples.They walked away from careers to follow God. They gave up everything. Yet nowhere in scripture do I see them naming and claiming wealth, health, and promotions. Nope, I see them suffering persecution for the sake of the gospel. I see Paul and Timothy with physical illness. Paul went hungry on several occasions! That's what I see. BUT...because God is good...he does give us good things. When we have a humble attitude and come to him seeking his will...he gives us MORE than we asked for. Look at Solomon's attitude, he asked for wisdom to lead his people. And what did God do? He blessed him with wealth greater than any man who has ever lived. It's really about our hearts. When he is our delight and our hearts are right...he gives to us according to his will, not ours! The prosperity doctrine actually hinders that by teaching us to gain more and more for self. In fact, the bible says that selfish ambition is the root of every evil. James 4:13. Instead, of selfish ambition, he says...seek to esteem others greater than yourselves, Phillipians 2:3.

God tells us not to store up treasures on this earth...but prosperity teachers teach us the opposite. Please what it says here in I Timothy 6:

These are the things you are to teach and insist on. 3 If anyone teaches otherwise and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching, 4 they are conceited and understand nothing. They have an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions 5 and constant friction between people of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain. 6But godliness with contentment is great gain. 7 For we brought nothing into the world, and we can take nothing out of it. 8 But if we have food and clothing, we will be content with that. 9 Those who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge people into ruin and destruction. 10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.
Final Charge to Timothy

11 But you, man of God, flee from all this, and pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, endurance and gentleness. 12 Fight the good fight of the faith. Take hold of the eternal life to which you were called when you made your good confession in the presence of many witnesses.
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For some. prosperity doctrine can actually lead away from the faith. Because people fall into selfish ambition and idolatry. And we don't know the spiritual state they are in...we know from scripture will depart from the faith because they were never with us. 2 John 2:19. Selfish ambition and Idolatry are listed in the things (Galatians 5:19-23) that will keep people from inheriting the kingdom of heaven. These are some of the dangers I find with prosperity teaching...Sorry for the long post.
 
Re: Christian Rap Artists Go After Atlanta Mega-Church Pastors Eddie Long and Creflo

Shimmie's comments that this is a white strategy for white empowerment are racist and are a stumblingblock for blacks.

She is being deceived and motivated to point the finger and accuse instead of calling all men to repentance. Homosexuals are lured by their own desires just as any other person who falls into sexual immorality.

Poisoning a patient, dieing of a deadly disease with more deadly disease doesn't bring the cure. This is what happens when you use the wages of sin to oppose the wages of sin.

Spring... I see you're using the 'standard Christian throw-around words', when something you don't agree with offends you.

I truly wish that this is 'deception', however when all of this foolishness with gay marriage, gay tolerance, and the entrance of it started taking bold measures in our schools, neighborhoods and Churches, I made it my business to find out who is / was behind the gay activists and their agenda.

It's not even about gay marriage; they've have used this as a 'snake oil', strategy to gain sympathy and support for their cause.

Do you know that they have 'training' / coaching sessions for their activists'; how to appear before the public and before legislation as 'targets' and victims. Have you read the points in their legislation that they are putting into law? They want the power to do what they want and the power to 'sue' and bring fear to those who oppose them.

Our Black neighborhoods are among their targets. They feel that they can come into the schools and 'convert' Black children as they are the most vunerable and the easiest to influence. They have made it clear that these children don't have a home environment of a strong family unit, that the parents do not care, especially because of the numerous single mothers.

There's a strategy behind this gay agenda that is way beyond marriage rights. I've made it my business to educate myself; to no longer sit in utter shock clutching my pearls when I hear what's going on. We can sit in Church all day long and pray, quote scripture and amen the Pastor... yet at the end of the day, we still have to know our enemy and to be proactive to protect and defend our rights before someone takes them away from us.

Where you are, I've been there. I made the very same comments only to learn that the ones I said it about were right and I was wrong. You'll be among the first ones fleeing in terror because the enemy was able to distract you from learning what he's been up to.

I'm not afraid of people. I'm not afraid to learn about what's going on in the enemy's camp and then speak up. Do you really think that I'm going to keep quiet? You need to find out what's going on. Otherwise the devil will whip you into a frenzy for being so 'holy', yet without knowledge.

God's word clearly says that we 'perish for lack of knowledge'.

I'm not afraid what people think of me when I speak of something that's controversial. I can't be concerned as to whether they believe me or not. I am going to speak up, no matter who likes it or disagrees, I'm going to speak up.

Educate yourself... leave the 'Christian' puppeting where it belongs and educate yourself. Know your enemy because he surely knows you.
 
Re: Christian Rap Artists Go After Atlanta Mega-Church Pastors Eddie Long and Creflo

@Shimmie

I know the comment wasnt to me, but what should we be educating ourselves on?

(in reference to your last post)



Oh wait, I went back and re-read the post.
 
Re: Christian Rap Artists Go After Atlanta Mega-Church Pastors Eddie Long and Creflo

The gay agenda is to target all schools and all children. You have failed to make the connection that this is empowering whites. You have simply made railing accusation after railing accusation against people made in the image of God. No righteous judgement being used on your part.... just slander of white empowerment.

There are a lot of groups out there such as Focus on the Family and many others fighting against this, but you think the rest of us are just sitting back and clutching our pearls... how arrogant.
 
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